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As of page 45 in the thread, ruXxar is suspicious of everyone who has been seriously scumread: Trfel, Clarity_nl, WaveofShadow, and ritoky. He also made a post earlier that seemed to accept the LightningStrike scumread, though he never mentioned LightningStrike since. Basically every single lynch candidate at this point.
I find it especially funny that he left ritoky off of his scum list and then added him at marvellosity's suggestion. And the way that he immediately showed interest in KelsierSC's "xP" analysis on rsoultin, but didn't really commit to scumreading rsoultin. His earlier townread on rsoultin doesn't seem to have been considered.
This seems very suspicious by itself, but when compared to his play in Student Mafia 11, it is even worse. RuXxar was far more willing to townread people there, and never threw out this many scumreads (relative to the game size, of course).
While I only gave one example earlier of how ruXxar was scumreading Clarity_nl after his supposed realization that he could be mason with Holyflare, ruXxar was very clearly scumreading Clarity_nl for a significant amount of time after this. And there's no mention of Holyflare at all.
I'm completely convinced that ruXxar lied about his mason read on Holyflare and Clarity_nl. And while lying doesn't necessarily make someone mafia, I'm having a lot of trouble accepting this coming from town.
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On July 14 2015 17:27 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2015 17:22 Vivax wrote:On July 14 2015 17:09 Harkon wrote:On July 14 2015 17:01 Vivax wrote:On July 14 2015 16:53 Harkon wrote:
I survived both the mafia's and the host's attempt to kill me. I am therefore concluding that I am in fact invincible.
Bow down before me. Aren't you the dude who said the cop is confirmed mafia No, I never said that. Not that it matters anyways. I am way more suspicious of the people suddenly defending milo when the lynch was set btw. On July 13 2015 00:25 Harkon wrote:
We aren't lynching anyone but milo unless someone convinces me that he is not basically confirmed mafia snd I don't think that's even possible. That was when I posted my arguments on scott. And it's ridiculous you wanna scumread people for being right. When the majority of town has been led SO astray that the cop gets lynched there is no fucking reason for them to defend someone they KNOW is cop. It's like a gift.My jimmies are super rustled now that I know I could have actually picked a better lynch than what you and other people suggested on d1 and d3. But I know nobody listens to me even though I would have made a better decision on both days so my motivation is going towards zero as well. Yes, and that post was in regard to what I said about milo earlier -> he is basically confirmed scum unless there are 2 rbs (which I said was possible but very unlikely) - there is nothing wrong with that statement. If you want to keep throwing shit at confirmed town be my guest though. The bolded is pretty much complete bs.
Well clearly you didn't want to consider that there could be 2 rbs, and didn't partake in discussion when I brought up how the cop claim was a bad claim for mafia.
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Just another stupid autopilot lynch with little discussion of alternatives
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There were no alternatives. Milo would have never gotten a check off and people would always discuss him and try to lynch him later in the game. It was correct to lynch him.
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On July 14 2015 17:48 Harkon wrote:
There were no alternatives. Milo would have never gotten a check off and people would always discuss him and try to lynch him later in the game. It was correct to lynch him.
Yes you do have a point, as do I when I said that just sitting back without discussing other reads or even shaking the down isn't good play.
I wanna lynch scotty next I think.
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An Analysis of the Brussels Sprout Conversation
+ Show Spoiler +Background: Oatsmaster mentioned that rsoultin's high usage of "xP" in this game suggests that she is mafia. KelsierSC analyzed several of rsoultin's games as both alignments and concluded that rsoultin uses "xP" more as mafia than as town, and her average in this game matched her town averages. However, he then analyzed only the first four pages of each game, and the "xP" count was not alignment indicative. On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation The post that started the conversation. On July 06 2015 22:35 marvellosity wrote:
kelsier is pretty obviously town tbh. On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. It's a simple question, and it has a simple answer. However, as town, rsoultin doesn't care if she argues with people, doesn't care about looking good, tends to answer questions and discuss in a really round-about way, and really doesn't like dealing with people/reads she thinks are stupid. I know you're going to say that rsoultin does this as mafia too, just wait patiently...On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP Xp xp xp xp What is that now? 30? What rsoultin is saying is fairly obvious, at this point. If someone is smart, and they say/do something that is clearly below their intelligence, then this is a reasonable sign that they are mafia. The problem is that there are many reasons that people can incorrectly read people in this way (applying the method incorrectly, such as incorrect assumptions about people's intelligence, misreading the questions, people simply thinking in different ways, other factors like being high/drunk/etc). But the core of the read is a sensible read. There is no town motivation for intentionally being stupid. On July 06 2015 22:42 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP Xp xp xp xp What is that now? 30? Let's assume for a minute that my intelligence is above the level of a brussels sprout. Same question. On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
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I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Swahili, as in that Harkon completely missed rsoultin's answer, as if it were in Swahili. Then rsoultin slightly expands on the same thing. On July 06 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people so are you saying kels' retardation is alignment indicative then? On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
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I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Keep dodging the issue. On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him
Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ On July 06 2015 22:51 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
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I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Keep dodging the issue. Okay yeah lol you can be a brussels sprout if you want ^^ the imitation is spot on On July 06 2015 22:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him
Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ kinda amazing how i understand precisely what Hadron is getting at yet you keep not answering clearly That's enough to convey the point. Rsoultin did answer the questions asked of her every single time, just in a very round-about way. And evidently Harkon and marvellosity didn't really understand the answers (or they could have gone straight to the important questions, such as why rsoultin expects more intelligence than this from KelsierSC, how she knows that there isn't some other explanation, why rsoultin isn't paying attention to the effort that KelsierSC used, etc. As town, rsoultin seems to care more about answering questions in her own way and posting in her own way than playing such that other people can easily/clearly see what she is saying. We've talked about this a few times. In Assassination Mafia, this eventually caused her to make a few huge essay-style posts, clearly stating her reads in simple English. Point being that rsoultin seemingly dodging questions and being unhelpful is an issue in communication, and doesn't make her scum. On the contrary, I think that as mafia, rsoultin would be more willing to be helpful and answer questions more clearly, and be less argumentative. Furthermore, there's an element of creativity to these answers that provides hints at the thought process that created her reads, which could be harder to replicate as scum.
Although at times it may seem that rsoultin is dodging questions or being unhelpful, this is generally not true. Rsoultin knows how to clearly answer questions, and as scum, she'd be more interested in doing so. The fact that she is still stubbornly playing in her own style, despite being scumread for it, suggests that she is town.
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Stopping at Page 50. Good night.
RuXxar is top scum, followed by Holyflare, and then scott31337 (but I'm less confident about him).
Boxerfred might be scum, but I don't have very much on him, yet.
Clarity_nl and WaveofShadow feel a bit towny, and KelsierSC is a fairly solid townread.
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On July 14 2015 17:07 Trfel wrote:
Maybe boxerfred is scum?
No, I know his alignment and it is town.
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HF if we shoot you and you flip town, do you think the information is worth it?
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btw we did get super unlucky that our 2 main targets were cops.
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tempted just to write off Trfel as town for it
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Blazinghand
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Effective immediately, KelsierSC has been modkilled and will flip with the Day Post.
KelsierSC: No more posting.
Language like that used in this post: (link) is not tolerated.
This is really simple, everyone. Don't do this.
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On July 14 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote:An Analysis of the Brussels Sprout Conversation+ Show Spoiler +Background: Oatsmaster mentioned that rsoultin's high usage of "xP" in this game suggests that she is mafia. KelsierSC analyzed several of rsoultin's games as both alignments and concluded that rsoultin uses "xP" more as mafia than as town, and her average in this game matched her town averages. However, he then analyzed only the first four pages of each game, and the "xP" count was not alignment indicative. On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation The post that started the conversation. On July 06 2015 22:35 marvellosity wrote:
kelsier is pretty obviously town tbh. On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. It's a simple question, and it has a simple answer. However, as town, rsoultin doesn't care if she argues with people, doesn't care about looking good, tends to answer questions and discuss in a really round-about way, and really doesn't like dealing with people/reads she thinks are stupid. I know you're going to say that rsoultin does this as mafia too, just wait patiently...On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP Xp xp xp xp What is that now? 30? What rsoultin is saying is fairly obvious, at this point. If someone is smart, and they say/do something that is clearly below their intelligence, then this is a reasonable sign that they are mafia. The problem is that there are many reasons that people can incorrectly read people in this way (applying the method incorrectly, such as incorrect assumptions about people's intelligence, misreading the questions, people simply thinking in different ways, other factors like being high/drunk/etc). But the core of the read is a sensible read. There is no town motivation for intentionally being stupid. On July 06 2015 22:42 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP Xp xp xp xp What is that now? 30? Let's assume for a minute that my intelligence is above the level of a brussels sprout. Same question. On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Swahili, as in that Harkon completely missed rsoultin's answer, as if it were in Swahili. Then rsoultin slightly expands on the same thing. On July 06 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people so are you saying kels' retardation is alignment indicative then? On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Keep dodging the issue. On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him
Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ On July 06 2015 22:51 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
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I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people Keep dodging the issue. Okay yeah lol you can be a brussels sprout if you want ^^ the imitation is spot on On July 06 2015 22:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him
Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ kinda amazing how i understand precisely what Hadron is getting at yet you keep not answering clearly That's enough to convey the point. Rsoultin did answer the questions asked of her every single time, just in a very round-about way. And evidently Harkon and marvellosity didn't really understand the answers (or they could have gone straight to the important questions, such as why rsoultin expects more intelligence than this from KelsierSC, how she knows that there isn't some other explanation, why rsoultin isn't paying attention to the effort that KelsierSC used, etc.As town, rsoultin seems to care more about answering questions in her own way and posting in her own way than playing such that other people can easily/clearly see what she is saying. We've talked about this a few times. In Assassination Mafia, this eventually caused her to make a few huge essay-style posts, clearly stating her reads in simple English. Point being that rsoultin seemingly dodging questions and being unhelpful is an issue in communication, and doesn't make her scum. On the contrary, I think that as mafia, rsoultin would be more willing to be helpful and answer questions more clearly, and be less argumentative. Furthermore, there's an element of creativity to these answers that provides hints at the thought process that created her reads, which could be harder to replicate as scum. Although at times it may seem that rsoultin is dodging questions or being unhelpful, this is generally not true. Rsoultin knows how to clearly answer questions, and as scum, she'd be more interested in doing so. The fact that she is still stubbornly playing in her own style, despite being scumread for it, suggests that she is town.
Rsoultin did NOT answer the question in this quote chain. She waffled around the issue saying Kelsier was less towny for something that is not scummy and that she did not even say is scummy.
To the bolded: The only relevant question here is if she thinks that him lacking intelligence makes him scum and why. That is exactly what we asked her and that is what she refused to answer in a straight way. It is as simple as that.
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On July 14 2015 18:53 marvellosity wrote:
tempted just to write off Trfel as town for it
I'm on board. I also like how he starts playing the game and his contributions seem ok.
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i know you're not wanting to commit, but how are you feeling about rsoul/HF?
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1) Marvellosity (filter) - town
2) Scott31337 (filter) - maybe scum?
3) WaveofShadow (filter) - pooface
4) Clarity_nl (filter) - i think town
5) ruXxar (filter) - i thought town? Trfel made me doubt
6) Vivax (filter) - maybe town?
10) boxerfred (filter) - ?
11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter) DLME Investigator Shot Night 2
12) Trfel (filter) - dick move town?
13) LightningStrike (filter) - town
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - maybe town?
16) KelsierSC (filter) - modkilled
18) Breshke (filter) - tonally town
19) Oatsmaster (filter) - long filter, townish?
21) rsoultin (filter) - ?
22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish
23) Harkon (filter) - p likely town
24) Holyflare (filter) - ?
25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - seemed townish but could easily not be i guess ?
like i do this, there are 4 mafia, so i'm calling a bunch of mafia town.
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On July 14 2015 20:25 Blazinghand wrote:Effective immediately, KelsierSC has been modkilled and will flip with the Day Post.
KelsierSC: No more posting.
Language like that used in this post: (link) is not tolerated.
This is really simple, everyone. Don't do this.
lol ok
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I wanna kill rsoul.
The xP argument is a legitimate thing.
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Rsoultin basically said the same thing about trfel earlier in the game, do you think that makes her town as well?
I do agree on trfel, for what it's worth. Seems a bit unethical to mention outside of the game interaction but w/e.
Going back through rsoultin's post I'm rather confident that she's town now.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 08 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote:
okay ruxxar. i've explained it all, but not concisely and not politely because i'm not polite
but i'll do it solely to have it in one place and to say this is the last time i am going to discuss my trfel toneread or my interactions/read on hf, whether you keep ignoring that and tunneling with the same points or not
reasons i'm tonereading truffle town: lightness with me (i catch him as mafia early, see student v where i opened with pressure on truffle for his weird read on ls, and greymist's game), joking that matches his dry humor, grumbling at me for saying i thought he was town (look at it this way: as scum he should be happy that he gets an rsoul townread and finally broke my streak...as town it makes a lot more sense to be irritated that i'm still getting a read off him off very few posts), and yes, not wanting to give an opinion on something he hasn't looked at is actually towny cause truffle holds himself to ridiculously high standards and spends an inordinate amount of time combing through posts before coming to a decision <- all of these things are very personal that i realize other people don't know about him and mean more to me than others, so i didn't go into it, just as i didn't go into it with my early toneread on damdy in himalayas
the first exchange with hf: you're misrepresenting/misreading it. when hf first said he didn't need my opinion i let it go. i was actually discussing things with bresh and truffle when hf said "see, this post means his question to you wasn't trying to determine your alignment"...to which i responded that i didn't think that was the purpose of the question anyway and made a joke about hf forgetting how stubborn i was...he then basically told me to shut up and go into a corner and color, so yeah, i got pissed at him. i actually broke it off BEFORE the mod ever intervened, which frankly was probably for the post hf made right before the mod post...because that was ad hominem to a tee, basically saying no one gives a shit what i say because of my tonereads
subsequently: i came back to the thread scumreading hf because i'd had time to cool down and where he said he was questioning truffle, he actually was saying, and yes i'm paraphrasing "you're scum cause you have mafiaitis. nothing you can say or do will change my mind. you may as well give up". plus the way he just threw shit at me when i wasn't doing anything. usually we only shitfight when he's scum, and i JUST came off a game where he and bugs did that to deliberately put me on tilt cause i'm fiery -_- i kept trying to get people to see what i was seeing and he kept on trying to say i was defending truffle and everyone else was taking that up, and it was supremely frustrating that people kept not understanding what i was trying to say...that hf never intended to get a read off truffle in the first place
that continued with ignoring the fact that truffle was quizzing ls between the time of his townread and scumread on ls and had said he was writing something on him, instead just going hey! look! nothing has happened between these reads! me saying he's not reading was his clue to go back and read. hts did it. she saw it. hf should have. he preferred to fight me instead
the only reason i left off hf was his point on truffle's case all coming from before he dropped the townread was actually good. i even tried to explain what my issue with him was more concisely, which works better when i'm not angry. it's still weird to me that he thinks telling someone they're scum and he won't ever change his mind is pressure, but i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment since yeah, even if he's scum not gonna lynch him d1 like ever >< was more productive to discuss reads
but here i come back to the thread and he's back to jumping on me for nitnoidisms
as for you, you're just parroting him like you two are butt buddies, and it feels a lot like being double-teamed...deja vu bugs and hf...plus i KNOW that you've seen i do this toneread thing and am willing to fight for it regardless if the so-called "evidence" when it comes to an actual lynch; see: GB, so why you find it so weird i'm doing it again this game i can't fathom
most of this i've already said
now i will ignore you unless you talk about something else or are actually willing to talk reads instead of whining about me being pissed at your misrepresentation and inattentiveness
was that polite enough?
also, yeah...i didn't get through the thread @.@ i'd just post a reads list, but it would only be for the sake of posting it cause it's outdated
i really don't like hf still, or ruxx (though this could be OMGUS i'm willing to admit), and damdy felt off to me, too, but i want to read the section of the day i missed that had people scumreading him before i come to a judgment on that
beyond that i think bresh/truffle/marv/geript are top townies for me...would add palmar to that but lol my track record with palmar >< someone else can read himOn July 14 2015 03:08 rsoultin wrote:
mrt :/
oh, yeah, truffle is disinterested in general but it's not necessarily game-related? for what that's worth. doesn't really excuse not reading cause i still caught up >< and stayed up till 2a.m. doing the weekend's chem work as a result so screw you guys for making me read lol ><
hf, what is it that makes you think milo is townie, anyway? I think there's a third one but I can't find it.
These seem like the kind of things she wouldn't say as scum as it's a bit low to use irl information to use "correct reasons" to townread someone, but as town it's one of those things you can't really help but take into account.
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