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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 13:05 GMT
#6421
On July 14 2015 14:54 Trfel wrote:
Does no one else understand it?

RuXxar changed his top scumread from me (which he was pretty confident in) to Clarity_nl on the basis that Clarity_nl's opening post about Holyflare being town and them not being scum together looked planned ahead of time. Thus, they both have to be scum. This is the only reason for his scumread on Clarity_nl.

But, ruXxar wasn't scumreading Holyflare, and didn't seem at all interested in Holyflare's alignment. He only asked Holyflare one question and didn't state any read on him. But ruXxar's top scum read, Clarity_nl, who he was voting, only applied as long as Holyflare was also scum.

I have a ton of trouble seeing this come from town. Even if Holyflare is town.


Here's my voting pattern start of day 1 :

Trfel -> Clarity -> Trfel

Here's a summary of my scum-reading logic for those votes:

The first vote on trfel was meh. I was in a jokey mood and saw him make the same opening post video as in the newbie game. Put my vote on him for the moment.

I read clarity's opening post and get a bit suspicious.
When clarity uses the "if I was mafia" excuse I thought that it sounded like she had this planned out even more.
Switched my vote to clarity.
It's possible she's scum with HF, but she was the one acting scummy independently of HF, so I focus on her first.

I see trfel making his first big post, which I thought looked a bit forced, I didn't like it.

A little later I'm getting this idea that clarity and HF could possibly be masoned together, willing to give her more time.
I change my vote back to trfel, since he still hasn't made any contributions that I liked.

It's incorrect to say that my scum-read on clarity only applied as long as HF is scum.
I scum-read her because her excuse sounded pre-planned.
Her actions were scummy on their own and didn't necessitate HF also being scum.

I saw 2 options :
- She's mafia alone or possibly mafia with HF.
- She's masoned with HF.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 14 2015 13:05 GMT
#6422
I AM A MAN!!!!! teehee
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 13:06 GMT
#6423
On July 14 2015 22:05 Clarity_nl wrote:
I AM A MAN!!!!! teehee


I can't help myself :p
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 14 2015 13:08 GMT
#6424
So anyway what changed? Or do you still think I'm scum? Can't really remember your reads at all tbh.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 14 2015 13:09 GMT
#6425
On July 14 2015 18:46 marvellosity wrote:
HF if we shoot you and you flip town, do you think the information is worth it?


Not over the shitty lurker shots. If you're going to shoot me I'd prefer the bullet to be held till next cycle so i can go home and play first.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 14 2015 13:15 GMT
#6426
I mean i understand you guys are mad jelly over my milo reading skills. It's understandable. Anyway I'm just gonna call rsoul town forever and if she's in lylo kill her makes poeing easier too
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 13:16 GMT
#6427
On July 14 2015 17:35 Trfel wrote:
As of page 45 in the thread, ruXxar is suspicious of everyone who has been seriously scumread: Trfel, Clarity_nl, WaveofShadow, and ritoky. He also made a post earlier that seemed to accept the LightningStrike scumread, though he never mentioned LightningStrike since. Basically every single lynch candidate at this point.

I find it especially funny that he left ritoky off of his scum list and then added him at marvellosity's suggestion. And the way that he immediately showed interest in KelsierSC's "xP" analysis on rsoultin, but didn't really commit to scumreading rsoultin. His earlier townread on rsoultin doesn't seem to have been considered.

This seems very suspicious by itself, but when compared to his play in Student Mafia 11, it is even worse. RuXxar was far more willing to townread people there, and never threw out this many scumreads (relative to the game size, of course).



While I only gave one example earlier of how ruXxar was scumreading Clarity_nl after his supposed realization that he could be mason with Holyflare, ruXxar was very clearly scumreading Clarity_nl for a significant amount of time after this. And there's no mention of Holyflare at all.

I'm completely convinced that ruXxar lied about his mason read on Holyflare and Clarity_nl. And while lying doesn't necessarily make someone mafia, I'm having a lot of trouble accepting this coming from town.


The moment I decided I wouldn't lynch clarity because of them possibly being masons was at this point:
On July 07 2015 07:47 ruXxar wrote:
A thought just struck me about HF and clarity.
Willing to give clarity some more time.

Top 2 scum atm:
Trfel
Rsoultin

##Vote Trfel


I'd like to see some quotes to back up the bolded statement, because it does not fit with my own perception of the game.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 14 2015 13:17 GMT
#6428
On July 14 2015 20:36 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote:
An Analysis of the Brussels Sprout Conversation

+ Show Spoiler +
Background:

Oatsmaster mentioned that rsoultin's high usage of "xP" in this game suggests that she is mafia. KelsierSC analyzed several of rsoultin's games as both alignments and concluded that rsoultin uses "xP" more as mafia than as town, and her average in this game matched her town averages. However, he then analyzed only the first four pages of each game, and the "xP" count was not alignment indicative.

On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation

The post that started the conversation.
On July 06 2015 22:35 marvellosity wrote:
kelsier is pretty obviously town tbh.
On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum

i'll explain later

Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation

What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive.
It's a simple question, and it has a simple answer. However, as town, rsoultin doesn't care if she argues with people, doesn't care about looking good, tends to answer questions and discuss in a really round-about way, and really doesn't like dealing with people/reads she thinks are stupid. I know you're going to say that rsoultin does this as mafia too, just wait patiently...

On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:
On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum

i'll explain later

Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation

What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive.


Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP

Xp xp xp xp

What is that now? 30?
What rsoultin is saying is fairly obvious, at this point. If someone is smart, and they say/do something that is clearly below their intelligence, then this is a reasonable sign that they are mafia. The problem is that there are many reasons that people can incorrectly read people in this way (applying the method incorrectly, such as incorrect assumptions about people's intelligence, misreading the questions, people simply thinking in different ways, other factors like being high/drunk/etc). But the core of the read is a sensible read. There is no town motivation for intentionally being stupid.

On July 06 2015 22:42 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:
On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum

i'll explain later

Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation

What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive.


Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP

Xp xp xp xp

What is that now? 30?

Let's assume for a minute that my intelligence is above the level of a brussels sprout. Same question.
On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili

I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people
Swahili, as in that Harkon completely missed rsoultin's answer, as if it were in Swahili. Then rsoultin slightly expands on the same thing.
On July 06 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili

I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people

so are you saying kels' retardation is alignment indicative then?
On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili

I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people

Keep dodging the issue.
On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him

Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^
On July 06 2015 22:51 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:
On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili

I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people

Keep dodging the issue.


Okay yeah lol you can be a brussels sprout if you want ^^ the imitation is spot on
On July 06 2015 22:52 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him

Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^

kinda amazing how i understand precisely what Hadron is getting at yet you keep not answering clearly


That's enough to convey the point. Rsoultin did answer the questions asked of her every single time, just in a very round-about way. And evidently Harkon and marvellosity didn't really understand the answers (or they could have gone straight to the important questions, such as why rsoultin expects more intelligence than this from KelsierSC, how she knows that there isn't some other explanation, why rsoultin isn't paying attention to the effort that KelsierSC used, etc.

As town, rsoultin seems to care more about answering questions in her own way and posting in her own way than playing such that other people can easily/clearly see what she is saying. We've talked about this a few times. In Assassination Mafia, this eventually caused her to make a few huge essay-style posts, clearly stating her reads in simple English.

Point being that rsoultin seemingly dodging questions and being unhelpful is an issue in communication, and doesn't make her scum. On the contrary, I think that as mafia, rsoultin would be more willing to be helpful and answer questions more clearly, and be less argumentative. Furthermore, there's an element of creativity to these answers that provides hints at the thought process that created her reads, which could be harder to replicate as scum.

Although at times it may seem that rsoultin is dodging questions or being unhelpful, this is generally not true. Rsoultin knows how to clearly answer questions, and as scum, she'd be more interested in doing so. The fact that she is still stubbornly playing in her own style, despite being scumread for it, suggests that she is town.

Rsoultin did NOT answer the question in this quote chain. She waffled around the issue saying Kelsier was less towny for something that is not scummy and that she did not even say is scummy.
To the bolded: The only relevant question here is if she thinks that him lacking intelligence makes him scum and why. That is exactly what we asked her and that is what she refused to answer in a straight way. It is as simple as that.


-_- the brussels sprout thing again? trfel lol >< i'd almost forgotten how annoyed they'd made me damn you

i
said
that
doing
retarded
things
is
scummy
for
intelligent
people

dropping a hard townread to a lesser townread makes it obvious that i think it's alignment indicative

like, not sure how you think i didn't answer this? oats believing me having more or less xPs in one game vs. another (was bound to be one) is alignment indicative i don't care about. it's oats. ksc, computer software writing extraordinaire and frankly very impressive to me last game, running off to do statistical analysis on it was retarded

i still think he's town probably this game? which i guess we know for sure soon -_- but yeah, if y'all don't get that hf can't be a koshi or that i can't be a sicklucker...our brains aren't wired that way...then i have no use for you, jat
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 14 2015 13:24 GMT
#6429
It was like a statistically significant amount of xPs.

Anyway, can you refute clarity's reasons for having a townread on you pls.
Cause its wrong.
No gg, No skill.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 14 2015 13:25 GMT
#6430
but yeah, truffle, i'll look through your point on clarity later...probably after day phase

class @.@
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 13:26 GMT
#6431
On July 14 2015 22:08 Clarity_nl wrote:
So anyway what changed? Or do you still think I'm scum? Can't really remember your reads at all tbh.


I don't have you as a priority lynch at this point.
The moment I started getting a real townread on you was N1.
I really liked the way you conducted yourself when you started reasoning about the cops, the red-checks and your case on milo.
It looked like you were really trying to solve the game.
I've for the most part written off your opening posts as less relevant and like how you've progressed throughout the game.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 14 2015 13:27 GMT
#6432
On July 14 2015 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
It was like a statistically significant amount of xPs.

Anyway, can you refute clarity's reasons for having a townread on you pls.
Cause its wrong.


what me using ogi being alignment indicative? lol yeah that doesn't mean anything

filter length doesn't mean anything
fighting doesn't mean anything

zzzz@oats

xP xP xP xP

\o/ gunning for that next stan dev!
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 14 2015 13:31 GMT
#6433
That townread was too good man, you mafia.

What do you think about ebh?
No gg, No skill.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
July 14 2015 13:33 GMT
#6434
On July 14 2015 22:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
That townread was too good man, you mafia.

What do you think about ebh?


slight scumlean but he's va and i have a shit record with reading him correctly

lol, oats, you're an idiot. i'm the truffle-whisperer for a reason i'm not going to keep repeating to look at old games we've both played in cause clearly no one's paying attention and you're wasting my time
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 14 2015 13:37 GMT
#6435
Trfel your ruxxar reads are so whack. His damd/scott thing clearly looks like a joke, his posting is totally different to the END of himalayas and the only thing that had actual merit was the bit on me and clarity which i think he explained more than adequately. I dunno why you say scott you don't know about when i think your points on him earlier were stronger.

People don't listen to you about me because you have posted one case on me that i dismantled and you can't possibly believe.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 13:38 GMT
#6436
Also I'm unsure as to whether it's a good thing to out your suspicions on people being masoned together.
I thought it wasn't, so I tried to give very subtle hints about it, same way I wanted to give a subtle hint to oats about geript being a PR.

You can see examples of that here:

On July 07 2015 08:18 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2015 08:16 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:11 ruXxar wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 07 2015 07:47 ruXxar wrote:
A thought just struck me about HF and clarity.
Willing to give clarity some more time.

Top 2 scum atm:
Trfel
Rsoultin

##Vote Trfel


ruXxar, that being....?


It's not hard to put 2 and 2 together.


Well I hate guessing but if I had to guess you are suggesting that HF and Clarity are mafia together? If you are, why?


No... try again.
On July 08 2015 14:28 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 14:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Ruxx, talk to me about someone else for now.
Talk to me about clarity or EBH.

Even if rso is mafia she isn't getting lynched tomorrow just by virtue of her being active so surely you have other scumreads/alternatives you want to explore.


Clarity was one of my top scum reads early on.
I dropped his vote due to a personal theory of mine that I'd rather not share.

I'm going to re-evaluate him tomorrow.

Ebh I also haven't been tracking since his opening post.
Didn't care for his blue hunting obviously, but didn't strike me as particularly scummy outside of that.

I haven't been keeping up on everyone today a lot of noise towards the lynch.
I'll be reevaluating people throughout the night now that things slowed done a bit.

I'll give you my updated reads on them tomorrow and other people I find noteworthy tomorrow.
Going to bed for now, good night
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 14 2015 13:42 GMT
#6437
It's a good thing kelsier flipped mafia though that makes things easier


Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 14 2015 13:43 GMT
#6438
On July 14 2015 22:42 Holyflare wrote:
It's a good thing kelsier flipped mafia though that makes things easier




IM NOT FALLING FOR THIS AGAIN (((
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 14 2015 13:51 GMT
#6439
hes actually like town, no way bh kills mafia for that.

Oh if hes Va then hes like deffo mafia.
No gg, No skill.
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 14 2015 13:53 GMT
#6440
On July 14 2015 22:17 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2015 20:36 Harkon wrote:
On July 14 2015 17:58 Trfel wrote:
An Analysis of the Brussels Sprout Conversation

+ Show Spoiler +
Background:

Oatsmaster mentioned that rsoultin's high usage of "xP" in this game suggests that she is mafia. KelsierSC analyzed several of rsoultin's games as both alignments and concluded that rsoultin uses "xP" more as mafia than as town, and her average in this game matched her town averages. However, he then analyzed only the first four pages of each game, and the "xP" count was not alignment indicative.

On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation

The post that started the conversation.
On July 06 2015 22:35 marvellosity wrote:
kelsier is pretty obviously town tbh.
On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum

i'll explain later

Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation

What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive.
It's a simple question, and it has a simple answer. However, as town, rsoultin doesn't care if she argues with people, doesn't care about looking good, tends to answer questions and discuss in a really round-about way, and really doesn't like dealing with people/reads she thinks are stupid. I know you're going to say that rsoultin does this as mafia too, just wait patiently...

On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:
On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum

i'll explain later

Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation

What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive.


Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP

Xp xp xp xp

What is that now? 30?
What rsoultin is saying is fairly obvious, at this point. If someone is smart, and they say/do something that is clearly below their intelligence, then this is a reasonable sign that they are mafia. The problem is that there are many reasons that people can incorrectly read people in this way (applying the method incorrectly, such as incorrect assumptions about people's intelligence, misreading the questions, people simply thinking in different ways, other factors like being high/drunk/etc). But the core of the read is a sensible read. There is no town motivation for intentionally being stupid.

On July 06 2015 22:42 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:
On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum

i'll explain later

Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation

What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive.


Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP

Xp xp xp xp

What is that now? 30?

Let's assume for a minute that my intelligence is above the level of a brussels sprout. Same question.
On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili

I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people
Swahili, as in that Harkon completely missed rsoultin's answer, as if it were in Swahili. Then rsoultin slightly expands on the same thing.
On July 06 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili

I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people

so are you saying kels' retardation is alignment indicative then?
On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili

I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people

Keep dodging the issue.
On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him

Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^
On July 06 2015 22:51 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:49 Harkon wrote:
On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili

I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people

Keep dodging the issue.


Okay yeah lol you can be a brussels sprout if you want ^^ the imitation is spot on
On July 06 2015 22:52 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him

Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^

kinda amazing how i understand precisely what Hadron is getting at yet you keep not answering clearly


That's enough to convey the point. Rsoultin did answer the questions asked of her every single time, just in a very round-about way. And evidently Harkon and marvellosity didn't really understand the answers (or they could have gone straight to the important questions, such as why rsoultin expects more intelligence than this from KelsierSC, how she knows that there isn't some other explanation, why rsoultin isn't paying attention to the effort that KelsierSC used, etc.

As town, rsoultin seems to care more about answering questions in her own way and posting in her own way than playing such that other people can easily/clearly see what she is saying. We've talked about this a few times. In Assassination Mafia, this eventually caused her to make a few huge essay-style posts, clearly stating her reads in simple English.

Point being that rsoultin seemingly dodging questions and being unhelpful is an issue in communication, and doesn't make her scum. On the contrary, I think that as mafia, rsoultin would be more willing to be helpful and answer questions more clearly, and be less argumentative. Furthermore, there's an element of creativity to these answers that provides hints at the thought process that created her reads, which could be harder to replicate as scum.

Although at times it may seem that rsoultin is dodging questions or being unhelpful, this is generally not true. Rsoultin knows how to clearly answer questions, and as scum, she'd be more interested in doing so. The fact that she is still stubbornly playing in her own style, despite being scumread for it, suggests that she is town.

Rsoultin did NOT answer the question in this quote chain. She waffled around the issue saying Kelsier was less towny for something that is not scummy and that she did not even say is scummy.
To the bolded: The only relevant question here is if she thinks that him lacking intelligence makes him scum and why. That is exactly what we asked her and that is what she refused to answer in a straight way. It is as simple as that.


-_- the brussels sprout thing again? trfel lol >< i'd almost forgotten how annoyed they'd made me damn you

i
said
that
doing
retarded
things
is
scummy
for
intelligent
people

dropping a hard townread to a lesser townread makes it obvious that i think it's alignment indicative

like, not sure how you think i didn't answer this? oats believing me having more or less xPs in one game vs. another (was bound to be one) is alignment indicative i don't care about. it's oats. ksc, computer software writing extraordinaire and frankly very impressive to me last game, running off to do statistical analysis on it was retarded

i still think he's town probably this game? which i guess we know for sure soon -_- but yeah, if y'all don't get that hf can't be a koshi or that i can't be a sicklucker...our brains aren't wired that way...then i have no use for you, jat

That's all cool and all but the important question is of course: Can you be an oats?
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