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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
July 14 2015 14:51 GMT
#6461
On July 14 2015 23:44 Half the Sky wrote:

Would Clarity qualify as potentially needing to fear read Palmar (since his name was brought up?) I'm still townreading him btw, but this is my first game ever with him.

no
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
July 14 2015 14:52 GMT
#6462
On July 14 2015 23:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2015 22:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm warming up to a scott lynch.


100%, and IMO would otherwise agree with Marv on the DMA with him. On Trfel, that was the stuff I know he's capable of.....assuming he's not pulling off another NSM11 performance.

I am willing to believe Trfel's RL issues, but still may check the case since I'm a little paranoid right now.

no, i was talking about Trfel, not scott
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 14 2015 14:52 GMT
#6463
That's what I get for combining two concepts in one sentence.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 14 2015 14:54 GMT
#6464
100% I agree with Clarity that Scott lynch or vig shot is the way to go.

IMO I would otherwise agree with Marv on the DMA with him. On Trfel.........assuming he's not pulling off another NSM11 performance.

Etc.

I type stuff out as if I was physically talking to you....I really need to stop doing that. >_<
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 14 2015 14:54 GMT
#6465
IMO I would agree with Marv on the DMA with Trfel....

Alright, someone just give me the fail hat for the day... :/
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
July 14 2015 14:56 GMT
#6466
Honestly a scott shot wont really tell us much I think.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 14 2015 14:57 GMT
#6467
On July 14 2015 23:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly a scott shot wont really tell us much I think.


Associations yeah I get you. I'm talking likeliness of being scum, but I understand what you mean.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 14 2015 14:58 GMT
#6468
On July 14 2015 23:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Honestly a scott shot wont really tell us much I think.


Yeah, although I don't like a WoS shot I actually think he's town and there's a decent chance he's getting modkilled either way. I don't like host wifom but it's necesarry I think.

Maybe EBH isn't such a bad shot after all. Like I think he kinda looks town but I don't have much exp with VA (vayneauthority?) played with him once but that was in a huge greymist game. Others seem to think if EBH is VA then he could definitely play this way as scum, and I'm willing to sheep that.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 14:59 GMT
#6469
On July 14 2015 23:44 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2015 23:21 rsoultin wrote:
On July 14 2015 23:09 marvellosity wrote:
why is EBH VA?


Choice of name - he prides himself in finding and killing blues as mafia
Plans to smurf - he mentioned it in obs in carnaval that he can't do much cause meta says he's lazy
Overemphasis on nks as a way to find mafia <- the one thing i've seen in every one of his games
General syntax but i'd have to pull examples lol


Writing style was the giveaway for me. Using that meta, agenda could be traced in one of his posts where he talked about fear reading palmar and tracing that to MZ but why did he selectively exclude others that would have known palmar? (Marvellosity, HF....or even discounting Damdred, as HF called him out on)

This doesn't make marv/hf/etc mafia but why he just pinged mz alone as a palmar fear read when others were in that bunch.

Would Clarity qualify as potentially needing to fear read Palmar (since his name was brought up?) I'm still townreading him btw, but this is my first game ever with him.


So hear's my little rabbithole theory about the palmar kill.

The scum team must contain at least 1 person that knows palmar from before or feared him for whatever reason from before this game.
I really doubt that anything he did this game would be enough for anyone to NK him(I certainly don't remember anything he's said).
There were several stronger opinionated people at the time.

Here's the other part of it:
I find it reasonable to assume that the scum team is led by the more experienced players.
IF we assume that damdred is one of the players with the most reason to fear palmar, and led the NK on him, then it could be deduced that damdred is the "mafia leader" and that the mafia team consists of less experienced players than him.

The fact that damdred flipped is kind of bad in a sense because if a newer player flipped mafia, then we could assume that the mafia team contained at least one experienced player that knew palmar.

This is as strawman as it gets, but that's my thoughts around it.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 14 2015 14:59 GMT
#6470
Man having 4 dead blues is really sad, I can't believe we hit both cops (I'm working under the assumption there is no 3rd cop, despite 2 RB, as he would have claimed I THINK).
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 14 2015 15:02 GMT
#6471
EBH shot would fall into the same thing though....LS do you advocate shooting for information or shooting for the percentage play?

HF/Ras/Ruxxar - for information you'd have to shoot into that bunch unless somehow you can ferret whose most likely scum in that bunch and shoot that person. That's pretty obvious. Which might mean checking Trfel's case anyways in spite of DMA if we are to consider shooting Ruxxar. I mean Trfel is probably town because of DMA, but his reads COULD be off....though when he's town, he IS usually right. But as NSM7 proved...though he was active in that game, not always right.

But this next shot is pretty critical regardless because right now, town are pretty all over the place so I think this is valid point of discussion.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 15:03 GMT
#6472
what is DMA?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 14 2015 15:03 GMT
#6473
EBWOP - I also say shooting into Ruxxar for the sheer fact it was brought up before to NOT shoot either HF or Ras and leave them for late game. Not because I am firm on Rux being mafia yet.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 14 2015 15:04 GMT
#6474
I think I'd rather shoot someone who is hard to lynch and who will be a problem at lylo than shooting someone who has the most "information" in ways of connections. EBH fits under hard to lynch, since I wouldn't know how on earth to argue that he's scum, but I definitely can't argue that he's town... Like I get this feeling that he is....
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 14 2015 15:04 GMT
#6475
On July 15 2015 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
what is DMA?


Dick move analysis
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 14 2015 15:05 GMT
#6476
On July 15 2015 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
what is DMA?


Dick move analysis - marv explained it to me D1.

On July 08 2015 01:40 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 01:39 Half the Sky wrote:
Quick aside: someone remind me of what dick move analysis is?

when someone says something so dickish, you don't think they'd say it as a ruse as mafia because it would make them a total cock, you think they have to genuinely believe it.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 15:05 GMT
#6477
On July 15 2015 00:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
what is DMA?


Dick move analysis


Is that like OMGUS?
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 14 2015 15:06 GMT
#6478
On July 15 2015 00:05 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
what is DMA?


Dick move analysis - marv explained it to me D1.

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 01:40 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 01:39 Half the Sky wrote:
Quick aside: someone remind me of what dick move analysis is?

when someone says something so dickish, you don't think they'd say it as a ruse as mafia because it would make them a total cock, you think they have to genuinely believe it.


Gotcha, never heard that term before.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
July 14 2015 15:06 GMT
#6479
On July 15 2015 00:02 Half the Sky wrote:
EBH shot would fall into the same thing though....LS do you advocate shooting for information or shooting for the percentage play?

HF/Ras/Ruxxar - for information you'd have to shoot into that bunch unless somehow you can ferret whose most likely scum in that bunch and shoot that person. That's pretty obvious. Which might mean checking Trfel's case anyways in spite of DMA if we are to consider shooting Ruxxar. I mean Trfel is probably town because of DMA, but his reads COULD be off....though when he's town, he IS usually right. But as NSM7 proved...though he was active in that game, not always right.

But this next shot is pretty critical regardless because right now, town are pretty all over the place so I think this is valid point of discussion.

Both if I can. I pretty sure Scott will get lynched if he doesn't get shot. Ya VA would fall into the Scott category on shot for info. If we can shuffle through HF,Rsoul, and Rux group and figure who scum in that group we could shoot that person. What your thoughts on what type of shot you want?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
July 14 2015 15:07 GMT
#6480
On July 15 2015 00:05 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 00:03 ruXxar wrote:
what is DMA?


Dick move analysis - marv explained it to me D1.

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 01:40 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 01:39 Half the Sky wrote:
Quick aside: someone remind me of what dick move analysis is?

when someone says something so dickish, you don't think they'd say it as a ruse as mafia because it would make them a total cock, you think they have to genuinely believe it.

yeah. and in the case of Trfel's spoiler - do i really think he'd ham it up THAT much if he were mafia? Essentially i hope he wouldn't go to those lengths, because it's so very cheap.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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