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I have a wild theory that only nk's can clarify. Also damdred did not carry kp so someone not talked about as being mafia is likely mafia (from day 1).
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.
VA (and expert smurf hunter me says it's va) is probably mafia because he dislikes killing me, a jat shot is so shit in any game that it must be because jat was hinting at being blue and va likes hunting blues. Also VA keeps complaining about things that just aren't true anymore, i didn't shit fight with rsoultin but he returns to say that we were and afk's, his nk stuff that he does as town was far too focused on one player when i think he's usually much more logical. He's pretty off base.
Scott is mafia because when i did some shitty martyring he didn't conclude i was mafia even after i did the exact same thing to get out of a lynch as mafia last game and he was my shadow so knows. Also some of trfel's points if you twist them enough are good cases for scott being mafia. He's also posting in newbie game and not here and all his posts seem to be reactionary omgus' lately.
So so far it's probably scott/ebh/obi/+x (rsoul, kelsier, bf most likely).
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Scum hasn't really gotten the opportunity to kill you if you're town, HF. Unless you're saying anyone else would have shot you n1?
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On July 15 2015 00:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
Scum hasn't really gotten the opportunity to kill you if you're town, HF. Unless you're saying anyone else would have shot you n1?
Precisely n1
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I think it's terrible people are considering shooting ruxxar based on absolutely nothing. He has precisely one accusation against him and that was trfel and ruxxar perfectly explained it away.
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I mean I think the palmar shot makes sense for scum, he's a strong town that wasn't trying at all d1 which makes it likely he's blue, if he's not blue he's still a good shot as there's no way anyone is protecting him and he can solve games, and apparently harkon tried to direct a shot on him by soft claiming a blue role?
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town?
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On July 14 2015 22:58 Harkon wrote:
1) Marvellosity (filter) - p likely town
2) Scott31337 (filter) - maybe scum?
3) WaveofShadow (filter) - bad
4) Clarity_nl (filter) - i think town or playing a really good scumgame
5) ruXxar (filter) - i thought town? Trfel made me doubt
6) Vivax (filter) - no idea
10) boxerfred (filter) - I think town?
12) Trfel (filter) - dick move town?
13) LightningStrike (filter) - town
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - no idea
18) Breshke (filter) - no idea
19) Oatsmaster (filter) - long filter, townish?
21) rsoultin (filter) - ?
22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish
23) Harkon (filter) - town
24) Holyflare (filter) - ?
25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - no idea
Where I stand....
1) Marvellosity (filter) - town
2) Scott31337 (filter) - probably mafia
3) WaveofShadow (filter) - town solely on meta, but that meta could be broken. Would leave alone due to potential mod action.
4) Clarity_nl (filter) - town - not ever played with him, ignoring meta he's town
5) ruXxar (filter) - didn't like him at the beginning (back and forth with Ras), and then thought he was slightly better last cycle
6) Vivax (filter) - went from slight scumlean to slight townlean
10) boxerfred (filter) - very light townread
12) Trfel (filter) - would buy into DMA - town
13) LightningStrike (filter) - town, confirmed
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter) - town, but have been wrong on him before (Aperture, JOAT)
18) Breshke (filter) - town
19) Oatsmaster (filter) - town based on his interactions/putting self out there
21) rsoultin (filter) - was pretty sure she was town
22) Half The Sky (filter) - townish
23) Harkon (filter) - town
24) Holyflare (filter) - thought scum through most of d2/n2, not sure either way now
25) XEliteBlueHunter69X (filter) - null to scumlean
If I'm wrong on people I think I could be wrong on the following people:
WoS (easily broken meta)
Clarity (unfamiliarity if he is playing his scum game but someone else needs to flip before we cross this bridge I think)
ruXxar (duh)
Vivax (still adjusting to his new meta after bombing him in assassination, not sure why he wasn't analysing scummy behavior by the DT claims, which led to a reasonable rationale to doubt them, although I think he said otherwise for milo? I cannot remember),
boxerfred (easily broken meta but what he IS questioning seems reasonable I think?)
OWS (poor track record of reading him)
and Ras/HF are pretty obvious.
Harkon, why is Breshke a tossup for you?
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You should 100% just be shooting shitty lurkers who could be mafia and are wasting people's time with discussing them. If you think you should be shooting into me/rsoul/ruxx you're also just bad at the game. At least if you are thinking that you should save your shot since we get 3 flips anyway tonight.
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On July 15 2015 00:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I mean I think the palmar shot makes sense for scum, he's a strong town that wasn't trying at all d1 which makes it likely he's blue, if he's not blue he's still a good shot as there's no way anyone is protecting him and he can solve games, and apparently harkon tried to direct a shot on him by soft claiming a blue role?
From your perspective, is there anyone who as scum think they can keep you alive and then try to mislynch you/get you shot by town?
Maybe you're out of the loop but if palmar is playing like shit he's just shit. Yes, VA. He even gloated about it in the last game we played. I don't know about mislynching though.
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On July 15 2015 00:16 Holyflare wrote:
You should 100% just be shooting shitty lurkers who could be mafia and are wasting people's time with discussing them. If you think you should be shooting into me/rsoul/ruxx you're also just bad at the game. At least if you are thinking that you should save your shot since we get 3 flips anyway tonight.
HF, if you had a gun who would you shoot?
I agree that rsoul/ruxx and you are all bad shots.
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What a redundant question since i just gave you my list of mafia and explained that we should shoot shitty lurkers. Which one of those 3 is a shitty lurker?  scott duh, the guy i voted yesterday
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i hope whoever shoots has a better grasp than what i do.
*flounders*
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Dat marv guy also possible mafia
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On July 15 2015 00:22 Holyflare wrote:Dat marv guy also possible mafia
not possible at all and you know it
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I guess I kinda like Vivax more than I did yesterday. Have you read up on him marv?
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oh yeah i was gonna pick posts out for you. awks.
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Does anyone else think OWS is totally mafia?
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On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
I have a wild theory that only nk's can clarify. Also damdred did not carry kp so someone not talked about as being mafia is likely mafia (from day 1).
I can definitely agree with this.
I said ows/oats because it was lazy poe but obi actually being serious is so out of character that he's probably mafia. Oats is probably town for not nking or rbing geript after the whole tmi shit and that whole argument was towny anyway for thinkint along those lines.
You said lazy POE but OWS is apparently hard to meta. Honest question Holyflare -
How confident are you in a read where OWS has only rolled mafia 3 games (per database - Hajime is not accurate, he was town in that game) and the last game before Aperture it was at least a year ago.
But let's say your read is holding true.
Couple things here - if EBH is VA, it could point to him also being scum - apparently he prides himself on being the know all on people's metas or however he phrased it in Himalayas....and he and OWS were scum in Aperture. It's a stretch, but....
This all said, I'll check Aperture 4, I don't remember OWS that well in that game. Per database, database is wrong on Hajime - he was town, and the only other two scum games are too far long ago, not sure if that could be reliable.
On July 15 2015 00:09 Holyflare wrote:
Scott is mafia because when i did some shitty martyring he didn't conclude i was mafia even after i did the exact same thing to get out of a lynch as mafia last game and he was my shadow so knows. Also some of trfel's points if you twist them enough are good cases for scott being mafia. He's also posting in newbie game and not here and all his posts seem to be reactionary omgus' lately.
So so far it's probably scott/ebh/obi/+x (rsoul, kelsier, bf most likely).
Well KSC will flip soon, so we'll see...
As for the shadow argument, that's not a strong point only because I hosted Himalayas and there wasn't a whole lot going on in your shadow qt. Yeh he could have just perched and done nothing, who knows. If he was interacting more your point there would be stronger.
Trfel's case on Scott is actually decent though. Although I can't really talk about NSM12 I am in that game too but I will just say that if you just have a look his posting in NSM12 it's not hard to tell that his involvement in that game would really tell anything either way.
My scumread on Scott largely comes from an interaction I had with him last cycle, he talks about interactions with Damdred and I crosschecked multiple people he cited even after checking Damdred's filter and it didn't add up.
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