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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:01 GMT
#4303
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:02 GMT
#4307
On July 10 2015 06:01 milo109 wrote:
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On July 10 2015 05:58 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:48 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:41 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:36 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=212#4222

respond to this milo because it quite blatantly points out your lapse in logic


There is no lapse in logic. I said I had you as scum day 1. You said I did it for wrong reasons. That's an opinion, not fact, unlike my statement.


There is lapse in logic. You said you scum read me for a reason which was wrong. I corrected that reason and you agreed. You still scum read me for that reason. You also did not have mz in your list of scum reads but you became so suddenly certain that MZ was mafia that you decided to base everything off of that. You ignore the fact that i'm pushing the majority of your scum reads and still scum read me. You can say "oh but mafia can push their buddies" like you did last time but there is absolutely no way that you think i'm mafia with both HtS AND rsoulting. No way. It doesn't make sense.

You then say that even though I was pushing your scum list and the reason you originally scum read me for disappeared that I'm still scum anyway because my play is so obvious? What is so obvious about it and what makes it so scummy since you know, pushing your list of scum reads doesn't sound scummy to me.


I think you have a misunderstanding of logic. I no longer scum read you because of that post. Logic is using facts to derive others. It's not about opinions. Unless I was blatantly lying, I had no lapse in logic. And I wasn't. I no longer think you are mafia with HtS and rsoultin. The thing about your play now is the way you stick by your reads even in the oddest of hypotheticals, in the weirdest of conspiracies, when common sense should tell you otherwise. Also.. this whole train of quotes is full of play that is either from the point of view of mafia, or a town that just wants to be called town instead of winning the game.


No. You DID scum read me because of that post even after I corrected you. It's in my case right there for all to see, the quote you used. What's wrong with me sticking by my reads? I think marv pointed out excellent points on MZ at night and it made me rethink my read on you and decide that from your perspective as someone in your SECOND game that coming up with "that was definitely a deflection off of mafia mz" before mz had even really done anything (and his posts weren't that bad at the time) made absolutely no sense in the slightest. That is your first instance of TMI.

Then, today, you fake claim on clarity and get a towny reaction from it and still call him mafia for nothing. You see damdred getting screwed over by Geript and in a world where you see JAT getting shot as veteran you STILL call damdred town????? It doesn't make sense at all. You seem to think that there is a veteran a banisher a jailkeeper and 2 cops and that's all been revealed in one/two cycles? Every post you make just oozes of you knowing what happened at night and making decisions based off of that. There is no confusion behind your posts.


There is no confusion because this entire game has been about whether or not the claims are real. And I know that I am real. Also, obviously the switch off of MZ was suspicious. I tried to freaking lynch him. Read my past posts if you want to know why it was suspicious. I'm off to make a case on Scott.


How on earth was it suspicious in the slightest? MZ starts posting, Bill Murray has posted nothing and has claimed wanderer as mafia in the past. Why is that suspicious and don't you dare just say go check my past posts. Re-answer this if you have already because I don't see anything suspicious about it in the slightest.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:05 GMT
#4313
You don't even think for a second about anything i've done this game and instead throw in little shitty quips that clearly just derail anything i'm doing and call me mafia for the sake of it, it's frustrating as fuck
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:07 GMT
#4317
On July 08 2015 05:30 Holyflare wrote:
plz

rsoultin hasn't really given ANY scum reads other than me

rsoultin said she had a hard on for lynching people she thought was scummy because she likes being correct

rsoultin cases me

rsoultin asks marv if i'm scum

marv says no

rsoultin completely drops it and never makes another read again

11 pages, what reads do you remember her making?


On July 08 2015 05:53 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 07 2015 07:57 rsoultin wrote:
do i really need to be all collegiate again cause that worked so well last time when y'all ignored my scumread on marv that was completely baller


for someone who says the above and then writes this post:
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On July 07 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:
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On July 06 2015 15:26 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:22 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:19 Trfel wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:17 Holyflare wrote:
Uh oh trfel
Hm?


It seems you are suffering from consecutivemafiarollingitis and are subsequently burnt out. I am sorry for your loss.


I will never back down from this busread. It's far too similar to what I used to experience and what I would be posting in that situation.

You can read the thread all you want but just get this in your head. All the effort you can muster for this second game in a row will be futile. Have fun


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On July 06 2015 16:00 Holyflare wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:55 Trfel wrote:
On July 06 2015 15:54 Holyflare wrote:
Hey, your vote means nothing anyway right? What harm is it following me for a bit?
I thought you were never ever going to change your read on me no matter what?


Who says my vote will be changing and why would that matter?

I know it's hard man. I feel your pain i really do. You're in the trolling and pointing out irrelevant crap for the sake of it part of the mafiarollingitis waiting for a scummy post or your motivation to reappear. It will happen later but it's already too late for you. Rest dear boy. Your time shall come again next game.


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On July 06 2015 16:37 Holyflare wrote:
I also have no idea why you repeatedly jump to people's defences before they even speak for themselves. Not only does it inhibit people playing the game and getting their groove on but it constantly gives the people under pressure multiple outs and feelings of less pressure. Back off and go to bed. You're messing with things you don't understand.


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On July 06 2015 16:44 Holyflare wrote:
What shitty logic "i know this guy best so just stop playing the game that you play where you have no information and instead of quizzing people and letting them post I'll just disregard it and blindly defend them!"

There's a reason people seemingly ignore your posts and that's the majority of the reason why.


"you're 100% scum no matter what you do hahaha"
"shut up bitch stop interfering with my quizzing"

not only was that blatant misrepresentation of what i was doing, but it started with me saying this? like, seriously?

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On July 06 2015 16:23 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:21 Breshke wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:19 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:14 Breshke wrote:
But nah rsoul i like damdys read so meh

I jsut don't see how you said "keep pretending this is what my problem is" when from the initial post you didn't say anything about damdred and i later explained that i voted not for my own reason but for damdreds.

Trefel what are you doing?


i missed the vote

like you say early votes mean jack shit, and it was just to show how much you agreed with damdy's point. that's a pretty damn strong agreement, and wasn't the impression i got when i first read your posting. i don't get why you think damdy calling ls lazy a few pages into the game is good, certainly not that good

so basically it comes down to strength of agreement


Okay i follow.

You were right in your last post when you said you dont care to pursue this i jsut became really bored with it aswell.

Watcha think of trefel and why isn't HF trying to get you to vote him


xP could get that from reading the thread

i've already said i doubt trfel is scum (tone! \o/) and hf isn't an imbecile lol >< i'm stubborn as hell


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On July 06 2015 16:28 rsoultin wrote:
or maybe he's already forgotten how stubborn i am, after all lol ><

pretty sure that wasn't the purpose of those questions hf xP but i'm not going to speak for him


pretty damn obvious to anyone with a brain that all i was saying there was i didn't agree, and he comes back with:

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On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.


so not only is hf misrepresenting me, but he's going out of his way to be a dick about it at the same time, and if this is his idea of just "pressuring" or "quizzing" someone, it's sure not coming through in his posts

i'm not usually this fucking paranoid, but after last game when hf and bugs spent d1/n1 deliberately shitting on me and trying to throw me on tilt...especially with how well we usually get along when he's town, i highly doubt this is town hf and i really don't care if the rest of you are too chicken shit to push him

i'm tired of getting nkd and watching hf win

again

and again

has trfel posted anything amazing? no. does that make him scum? no. i read him by his off-brand of humor and a few other indicators...i usually get a solid read on him within his first page of filter. i'm good at it. i don't give a damn if you question him, but hell if you're going to bully me into shutting up by slinging shit at me, hf



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On July 07 2015 03:05 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:04 Holyflare wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:02 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 02:59 Holyflare wrote:
i've read his filter and he actually plays the game which he has yet to do despite actually being here.


lol >< and you started in on him before he'd even gotten a chance to settle in? of course he eventually did stuff, and i fully expect him to again this game

talk about something else
we're never going to agree on this


no thanks


fine ^^

when can we lynch hf?

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On July 07 2015 03:44 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:41 marvellosity wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:39 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:37 marvellosity wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:36 rsoultin wrote:
why is hf town marv?

i think he's town because i intuitively grasp his reads, both scum and town, which has worked pretty reliably for me in the past


so mindmeld...how good is this read of yours? like in rough percentage?

god. like 80%?

normally what has happened is that i have a good read on HF early and then other people make me wrongly doubt it.

like if HF starts pushing things i don't see then i'll reconsider, but i've not seen that yet.

like it's *possible* he just happened to pick out a bunch of townreads that were the same i hadn't mentioned yet because he's just that good, but meeeeeh


nh

i haven't played as many games with him as you have. but the shitfight thing is a perfect read so far, and it was better than yours in ippo. i dunnae...i'll just sit on it i guess


does that look like the equivalent response???
then there's a shit fight about trfel and we get:

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On July 07 2015 09:38 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 09:34 Harkon wrote:
On July 07 2015 09:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso and Hf stop fighting.

You make the thread unreadable when you fight like this.

^
Especially rsoultin stop defending people for no reason if you aren't going to explain anything.


do you have any clue how frustrating this is?

HOLYFLARE IS MAFIA

maybe the all-caps will make this get through your thick skulls

i'm not fucking defending truffle i'm saying hf is fucking mafia for the way he's approaching this

>< whatever

i'm not doing this anymore you guys keep being obtuse


and then she just talks to me normally right after discussing all the reads??

it's so irrational

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maybe because she's a woman, probably because she's mafia


On July 08 2015 05:54 Holyflare wrote:
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On July 08 2015 05:51 Half the Sky wrote:
HF, since you asked....

On July 08 2015 05:34 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 05:30 Holyflare wrote:
plz

rsoultin hasn't really given ANY scum reads other than me

rsoultin said she had a hard on for lynching people she thought was scummy because she likes being correct

rsoultin cases me

rsoultin asks marv if i'm scum

marv says no

rsoultin completely drops it and never makes another read again

11 pages, what reads do you remember her making?



On July 06 2015 23:11 rsoultin wrote:
Lol ruxx/hf prob scum

Get rekt

To the rest of y'all...learn to read


Pushes ruxxar after that. Is doubting that Damdred is town....

If you're going to argue that she hasn't been memorable that's a different argument I have to filter dive her to look at her other reads besides you....

On July 07 2015 03:22 rsoultin wrote:
On July 07 2015 03:17 rsoultin wrote:
harkon, what you got?

you've been hanging back, and only one person i know i'm actually fine letting that slide with cause that's how he plays, but i don't think you're him anymore


disregard

i'm possibly just being more paranoid about ruxxar, because some of the biggest clues to his scumgame, apart from that damning post end-game in his first newbie where he basically described how he was playing mafia in himalayas to the world lol ><, were in the wording

he had a completely unnatural reaction to holyflare's "but i'm town guys really" whining in particular

i could retrieve the post

like my only reservation on the whole wording thing really is that it might be a language thing, but i didn't like the combination with the soft push when everyone was up my ass


The only question I have after going through her filter is how/why she drops the ruxxar read for milo. Or rather why she drops the ruxxar read altogether. She talks about ruxxar quite a bit in her filter. And I don't think her read on Damdred was hard scum but she had concerns on it.

I don't think I'd lynch her without her talking about that stuff though.


yes obviously she has some scum reads but they are based on useless crap like the phrasing of ruxxar's post that isn't even weird in the slightest and meant nothing and that's about it, it's not intuitive of deep at all


^ the above is weird because how can anyone that played with ruxxar last game say that ruxxar is mafia this game and she is the person that prides herself on shitty tone reads
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:11 GMT
#4325
oh ffs lightningstrike
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:13 GMT
#4331
On July 10 2015 06:11 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 06:02 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 06:01 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:58 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:48 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:41 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:36 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=212#4222

respond to this milo because it quite blatantly points out your lapse in logic


There is no lapse in logic. I said I had you as scum day 1. You said I did it for wrong reasons. That's an opinion, not fact, unlike my statement.


There is lapse in logic. You said you scum read me for a reason which was wrong. I corrected that reason and you agreed. You still scum read me for that reason. You also did not have mz in your list of scum reads but you became so suddenly certain that MZ was mafia that you decided to base everything off of that. You ignore the fact that i'm pushing the majority of your scum reads and still scum read me. You can say "oh but mafia can push their buddies" like you did last time but there is absolutely no way that you think i'm mafia with both HtS AND rsoulting. No way. It doesn't make sense.

You then say that even though I was pushing your scum list and the reason you originally scum read me for disappeared that I'm still scum anyway because my play is so obvious? What is so obvious about it and what makes it so scummy since you know, pushing your list of scum reads doesn't sound scummy to me.


I think you have a misunderstanding of logic. I no longer scum read you because of that post. Logic is using facts to derive others. It's not about opinions. Unless I was blatantly lying, I had no lapse in logic. And I wasn't. I no longer think you are mafia with HtS and rsoultin. The thing about your play now is the way you stick by your reads even in the oddest of hypotheticals, in the weirdest of conspiracies, when common sense should tell you otherwise. Also.. this whole train of quotes is full of play that is either from the point of view of mafia, or a town that just wants to be called town instead of winning the game.


No. You DID scum read me because of that post even after I corrected you. It's in my case right there for all to see, the quote you used. What's wrong with me sticking by my reads? I think marv pointed out excellent points on MZ at night and it made me rethink my read on you and decide that from your perspective as someone in your SECOND game that coming up with "that was definitely a deflection off of mafia mz" before mz had even really done anything (and his posts weren't that bad at the time) made absolutely no sense in the slightest. That is your first instance of TMI.

Then, today, you fake claim on clarity and get a towny reaction from it and still call him mafia for nothing. You see damdred getting screwed over by Geript and in a world where you see JAT getting shot as veteran you STILL call damdred town????? It doesn't make sense at all. You seem to think that there is a veteran a banisher a jailkeeper and 2 cops and that's all been revealed in one/two cycles? Every post you make just oozes of you knowing what happened at night and making decisions based off of that. There is no confusion behind your posts.


There is no confusion because this entire game has been about whether or not the claims are real. And I know that I am real. Also, obviously the switch off of MZ was suspicious. I tried to freaking lynch him. Read my past posts if you want to know why it was suspicious. I'm off to make a case on Scott.


How on earth was it suspicious in the slightest? MZ starts posting, Bill Murray has posted nothing and has claimed wanderer as mafia in the past. Why is that suspicious and don't you dare just say go check my past posts. Re-answer this if you have already because I don't see anything suspicious about it in the slightest.


That it would be organized and happen to so quickly. MZ was acting odd by not wanting to lynch BM. Why? Nobody seemed to ask that question. BM didn't even try to defend himself. How is that more mafia than what MZ had done? BM had CLAIMED A ROLE. Why would you lynch him first?


why do you ignore the part of the post that explains why people would lynch bm for claiming a role and ask why we would lynch bm for claiming a role?

Bill Murray has posted nothing and has claimed wanderer as mafia in the past


Why is it suspicious that MZ doesn't want to lynch BM in the slightest?

Like your whole argument is that "It's totally suspicious that mz doesn't want to lynch bm! you guys are scummy for wanting to lynch bm!"

if you're talking about logic good sir, that has 0 of it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:15 GMT
#4341
On July 10 2015 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Holyflare if you are town could you stop arguing/get mad at people you think are very likely scum?

If you are scum, carry on.


i can't help it, i'm really in a bad mood and whenever i post something someone else does some silly shit or calls me mafia and it just puts me right back in that bad mood

i want an actual game of people that listen to things i contribute or at least converse with me about why they are wrong or right but instead it's little quips or just flat out ignoring or calling me scummy or just hard defending the person i'm bringing up points on while shit fighting with me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:18 GMT
#4351
On July 10 2015 06:16 milo109 wrote:
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On July 10 2015 06:13 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 06:11 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 06:02 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 06:01 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:58 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:48 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:41 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:36 Holyflare wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=212#4222

respond to this milo because it quite blatantly points out your lapse in logic


There is no lapse in logic. I said I had you as scum day 1. You said I did it for wrong reasons. That's an opinion, not fact, unlike my statement.


There is lapse in logic. You said you scum read me for a reason which was wrong. I corrected that reason and you agreed. You still scum read me for that reason. You also did not have mz in your list of scum reads but you became so suddenly certain that MZ was mafia that you decided to base everything off of that. You ignore the fact that i'm pushing the majority of your scum reads and still scum read me. You can say "oh but mafia can push their buddies" like you did last time but there is absolutely no way that you think i'm mafia with both HtS AND rsoulting. No way. It doesn't make sense.

You then say that even though I was pushing your scum list and the reason you originally scum read me for disappeared that I'm still scum anyway because my play is so obvious? What is so obvious about it and what makes it so scummy since you know, pushing your list of scum reads doesn't sound scummy to me.


I think you have a misunderstanding of logic. I no longer scum read you because of that post. Logic is using facts to derive others. It's not about opinions. Unless I was blatantly lying, I had no lapse in logic. And I wasn't. I no longer think you are mafia with HtS and rsoultin. The thing about your play now is the way you stick by your reads even in the oddest of hypotheticals, in the weirdest of conspiracies, when common sense should tell you otherwise. Also.. this whole train of quotes is full of play that is either from the point of view of mafia, or a town that just wants to be called town instead of winning the game.


No. You DID scum read me because of that post even after I corrected you. It's in my case right there for all to see, the quote you used. What's wrong with me sticking by my reads? I think marv pointed out excellent points on MZ at night and it made me rethink my read on you and decide that from your perspective as someone in your SECOND game that coming up with "that was definitely a deflection off of mafia mz" before mz had even really done anything (and his posts weren't that bad at the time) made absolutely no sense in the slightest. That is your first instance of TMI.

Then, today, you fake claim on clarity and get a towny reaction from it and still call him mafia for nothing. You see damdred getting screwed over by Geript and in a world where you see JAT getting shot as veteran you STILL call damdred town????? It doesn't make sense at all. You seem to think that there is a veteran a banisher a jailkeeper and 2 cops and that's all been revealed in one/two cycles? Every post you make just oozes of you knowing what happened at night and making decisions based off of that. There is no confusion behind your posts.


There is no confusion because this entire game has been about whether or not the claims are real. And I know that I am real. Also, obviously the switch off of MZ was suspicious. I tried to freaking lynch him. Read my past posts if you want to know why it was suspicious. I'm off to make a case on Scott.


How on earth was it suspicious in the slightest? MZ starts posting, Bill Murray has posted nothing and has claimed wanderer as mafia in the past. Why is that suspicious and don't you dare just say go check my past posts. Re-answer this if you have already because I don't see anything suspicious about it in the slightest.


That it would be organized and happen to so quickly. MZ was acting odd by not wanting to lynch BM. Why? Nobody seemed to ask that question. BM didn't even try to defend himself. How is that more mafia than what MZ had done? BM had CLAIMED A ROLE. Why would you lynch him first?


why do you ignore the part of the post that explains why people would lynch bm for claiming a role and ask why we would lynch bm for claiming a role?

Bill Murray has posted nothing and has claimed wanderer as mafia in the past


Why is it suspicious that MZ doesn't want to lynch BM in the slightest?

Like your whole argument is that "It's totally suspicious that mz doesn't want to lynch bm! you guys are scummy for wanting to lynch bm!"

if you're talking about logic good sir, that has 0 of it


Here. I will make this very simple. If you are town and there is a obvious choice between you and one other person, you always try to switch to them. You know why? You -know- you are town. You might think they are the towniest person on the planet, but there is still the chance that they are mafia. Unless you're cheating of course.


nah this is bull shit

you scum read everyone for wanting to switch to bm
you scum read mz for wanting to not switch to bm
now you scum read scott for wanting to stay on mz ^^

ok dude
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:18 GMT
#4353
On July 10 2015 06:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
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On July 10 2015 06:15 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Holyflare if you are town could you stop arguing/get mad at people you think are very likely scum?

If you are scum, carry on.


i can't help it, i'm really in a bad mood and whenever i post something someone else does some silly shit or calls me mafia and it just puts me right back in that bad mood

i want an actual game of people that listen to things i contribute or at least converse with me about why they are wrong or right but instead it's little quips or just flat out ignoring or calling me scummy or just hard defending the person i'm bringing up points on while shit fighting with me


Ok I'm gonna just say this once HF, apparently you're a smart guy so you'll get this, are you ready?

IF THEY ARE SCUM, THEN THERE IS NO REASON TO GET MAD AT THEM FOR DOING SCUMMY THINGS OR DUMB THINGS. WHY ARE YOU MAD AT YOUR SCUMREADS.

Okay?


I know you're typing it and I already know that argument. It doesn't stop it happening and I don't know they are scum either. It's also people that are towny that are doing it too.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:19 GMT
#4355
now we can DEFINITELY LYNCH MILO FOR THIS TMI BULL SHIT PLZ TY OK
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:19 GMT
#4357
unless you're messing with my heart then fu damdy
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:20 GMT
#4360
On July 10 2015 06:19 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 06:16 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 06:13 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 06:11 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 06:02 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 06:01 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:58 Holyflare wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:48 milo109 wrote:
On July 10 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
[quote]

There is lapse in logic. You said you scum read me for a reason which was wrong. I corrected that reason and you agreed. You still scum read me for that reason. You also did not have mz in your list of scum reads but you became so suddenly certain that MZ was mafia that you decided to base everything off of that. You ignore the fact that i'm pushing the majority of your scum reads and still scum read me. You can say "oh but mafia can push their buddies" like you did last time but there is absolutely no way that you think i'm mafia with both HtS AND rsoulting. No way. It doesn't make sense.

You then say that even though I was pushing your scum list and the reason you originally scum read me for disappeared that I'm still scum anyway because my play is so obvious? What is so obvious about it and what makes it so scummy since you know, pushing your list of scum reads doesn't sound scummy to me.


I think you have a misunderstanding of logic. I no longer scum read you because of that post. Logic is using facts to derive others. It's not about opinions. Unless I was blatantly lying, I had no lapse in logic. And I wasn't. I no longer think you are mafia with HtS and rsoultin. The thing about your play now is the way you stick by your reads even in the oddest of hypotheticals, in the weirdest of conspiracies, when common sense should tell you otherwise. Also.. this whole train of quotes is full of play that is either from the point of view of mafia, or a town that just wants to be called town instead of winning the game.


No. You DID scum read me because of that post even after I corrected you. It's in my case right there for all to see, the quote you used. What's wrong with me sticking by my reads? I think marv pointed out excellent points on MZ at night and it made me rethink my read on you and decide that from your perspective as someone in your SECOND game that coming up with "that was definitely a deflection off of mafia mz" before mz had even really done anything (and his posts weren't that bad at the time) made absolutely no sense in the slightest. That is your first instance of TMI.

Then, today, you fake claim on clarity and get a towny reaction from it and still call him mafia for nothing. You see damdred getting screwed over by Geript and in a world where you see JAT getting shot as veteran you STILL call damdred town????? It doesn't make sense at all. You seem to think that there is a veteran a banisher a jailkeeper and 2 cops and that's all been revealed in one/two cycles? Every post you make just oozes of you knowing what happened at night and making decisions based off of that. There is no confusion behind your posts.


There is no confusion because this entire game has been about whether or not the claims are real. And I know that I am real. Also, obviously the switch off of MZ was suspicious. I tried to freaking lynch him. Read my past posts if you want to know why it was suspicious. I'm off to make a case on Scott.


How on earth was it suspicious in the slightest? MZ starts posting, Bill Murray has posted nothing and has claimed wanderer as mafia in the past. Why is that suspicious and don't you dare just say go check my past posts. Re-answer this if you have already because I don't see anything suspicious about it in the slightest.


That it would be organized and happen to so quickly. MZ was acting odd by not wanting to lynch BM. Why? Nobody seemed to ask that question. BM didn't even try to defend himself. How is that more mafia than what MZ had done? BM had CLAIMED A ROLE. Why would you lynch him first?


why do you ignore the part of the post that explains why people would lynch bm for claiming a role and ask why we would lynch bm for claiming a role?

Bill Murray has posted nothing and has claimed wanderer as mafia in the past


Why is it suspicious that MZ doesn't want to lynch BM in the slightest?

Like your whole argument is that "It's totally suspicious that mz doesn't want to lynch bm! you guys are scummy for wanting to lynch bm!"

if you're talking about logic good sir, that has 0 of it


Here. I will make this very simple. If you are town and there is a obvious choice between you and one other person, you always try to switch to them. You know why? You -know- you are town. You might think they are the towniest person on the planet, but there is still the chance that they are mafia. Unless you're cheating of course.


nah this is bull shit

you scum read everyone for wanting to switch to bm
you scum read mz for wanting to not switch to bm
now you scum read scott for wanting to stay on mz ^^

ok dude


OK now you're over simplifying. We'll get there. I scum read everyone for wanting to switch to BM because he was a bad choice. I scum read MZ for not switching to BM because he was the only choice. And I scum read Scott for it because of the contradiction in his own words.


so why do you completely bypass my original post all over again: how is BM a bad choice when he's done the exact same thing as mafia before
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:36 GMT
#4407
if this is #shitplays then i'm totes hipster town mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:38 GMT
#4416
ty for also outing the veteran and gunsmith when we already had mz/milo as mafia lol? i guess?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:40 GMT
#4420
true dat nvm

guess i'm too good anyway
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:44 GMT
#4436
ok nvm damdred was fake claiming, back to the original plan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:45 GMT
#4439
yes there is
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 09 2015 21:48 GMT
#4451
back to damdred milo being mafia then I guess >_>
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 00:46 GMT
#4484
Much ded many afk

Nobody even talked about rsoul even though ritoky asked and i presented a case?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
July 10 2015 01:11 GMT
#4485
I mean like. Just look at today. She thinks she built a convincing case on me based on a hypothetical that I was asked to present :p Then she somehow believes I'd be making the play to bus my other scum buddy to save the "obvious" rber?? I'm not sure she's really thought that through at all.

Then look at the other case on me based on how she treats her read on me d1 compared to what she was saying about me.

Then ask yourself how her only other scum read can be ruxxar yesterday after last game
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