EPTTL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden - Page 209
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milo109
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On July 09 2015 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I had a few I thought of earlier but now I forget them. Gimme a bit I guess. I'm totally not feeling this game Somebody vig me lol | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On July 10 2015 04:40 milo109 wrote: For those asking why I've adopted a apathetic attitude to the rest of this day it is simple. Town is making the mechanical play that I know to be incorrect because I have information you don't(That I'm a cop.) All my reads are based on this information. This information means I almost have to believe that Damdred is town. Yet Damdred has acted so scummy that we have to lynch, even if it just so that town knows that he is town. Until that happens, my reads are based off more knowledge than you have. I'm in a holding state, waiting for Damdred to be lynched so we can all be on the same page. Why don't you entertain the thought of scum having two roleblocks at all? Start from there and put some reads out there. Do you currently believe ritoky is cop or scum? | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
so what came to my mind was the following: facts: 1kp delivered. 1 banish delivered. Also damdred visited ritoky. geript tracked him. a) geript is legit tracker and confirmed town. b) geript and damdred are scum together and orchestrated that (which is unlikely but possible) Then there's this damdred's filter: On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote: Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today. I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading. The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF. The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning. The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point. TLDR Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post Lacks follow through on some posts/questions Lacks scum reads Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks. This guy is scum vot ehim. Pushing clarity. There's always one or even more scum reads on clarity during D1. So why not jail this guy? Why jail ritoky instead? For the jail itself: I (as a newer player) can actually see a jailor jailing ritoky. A defensive jail if he believed the cop claim - and a offensive jail if he would not believe it. As it is, we have a person being roleblocked (marv), a person being visited (ritoky) and only one KP carried out. Doesn't that actually mean that it is highly likely that the KP was delivered by either marv or ritoky? Who else was blocked during the night, if any? I think milo claims to have been blocked (if I remember correctly, unsure of that and not really having the time to investigate on this). So that brings us to 3 people that might have delivered a KP and were blocked. Marv, ritoky, milo. Okay. At this point, I remembered that Harkon claimed. This: On July 09 2015 19:29 Harkon wrote: Ok, so considering that scum have no vig and town vigs are not allowed to shoot night1 there are EXACTLY 2 KP night 1. I am telling you the following: - Marv was not shot. - Marv did not deliver KP. - Ritoky was not shot. - Ritoky did not deliver KP. - the nightkills were EXACTLY Palmar and Harkon Because I am the goddamn This fucking screws my theory because it simply makes sense. I don't see Harkon claiming vet as scum. So that removes Marv and Ritoky from my list of people that could have delivered the KP. Leaving milo. ##vote milo | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6789 Posts
On July 10 2015 04:44 Clarity_nl wrote: MZ If you're gonna go with "apathetic is scum" then how are you ignoring this post? I honestly don't know what you mean, if I was to write an analysis of wave that post would be the centerpiece of why I think he's apathetic scum just skating by. Of course nobody is going to vig him, he knows that. What a worthless post to make if you're town. But if you're scum it's alright, it's helping you telegraph to everyone to excuse your bad play. Townies don't need excuse for bad play, even if you're not feeling the game you can still read the thread and provide opinions. I've had games where I'm just not feeling it but the least I can do is try to appear town so as not to confuse things even more. Wave isn't doing this, he's trying to excuse his fairly blatant antitown play. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On July 10 2015 04:52 boxerfred wrote: trying to catch up on the whole claim things. so what came to my mind was the following: facts: 1kp delivered. 1 banish delivered. Also damdred visited ritoky. geript tracked him. a) geript is legit tracker and confirmed town. b) geript and damdred are scum together and orchestrated that (which is unlikely but possible) Then there's this damdred's filter: Pushing clarity. There's always one or even more scum reads on clarity during D1. So why not jail this guy? Why jail ritoky instead? For the jail itself: I (as a newer player) can actually see a jailor jailing ritoky. A defensive jail if he believed the cop claim - and a offensive jail if he would not believe it. As it is, we have a person being roleblocked (marv), a person being visited (ritoky) and only one KP carried out. Doesn't that actually mean that it is highly likely that the KP was delivered by either marv or ritoky? Who else was blocked during the night, if any? I think milo claims to have been blocked (if I remember correctly, unsure of that and not really having the time to investigate on this). So that brings us to 3 people that might have delivered a KP and were blocked. Marv, ritoky, milo. Okay. At this point, I remembered that Harkon claimed. This: This fucking screws my theory because it simply makes sense. I don't see Harkon claiming vet as scum. So that removes Marv and Ritoky from my list of people that could have delivered the KP. Leaving milo. ##vote milo Harkon claimed vet and that he got shot n1. | ||
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Harkon
569 Posts
On July 10 2015 04:53 boxerfred wrote: I fear that my thoughts might have some weaknesses. Also, the important part of my post is basically the "3 possible blocked KPs, only milo wasn't blocked". The rest basically is thought process explanation. Please test my case, let me know your thoughts. If a towny had blocked milo he would claim unless he is an idiot. And your logic doesn't make sense anyways. No KP was blocked. Mafia had 2 KP and both are accounted for. I have no idea what this big post is even about regarding milo. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Vote Count Damdred (12): XEliteBlueHunter69X, scott31337, Harkon, Half the Sky, rsoultin, WaveofShadow, Milo109, Marvellosity, Clarity_nl, ruXxar, LightningStrike, geript Milo109 (3): Holyflare, Breshke, Boxerfred Clarity_nl (1): Damdred Meapak_Ziphh (1): ObiWanShinobi Not Voting (6): marvellosity, vivax, ritoky, Meapak_Ziphh, Trfel, kelsierSC, Oatsmaster Currently, damdred is set to be lynched. With 23 alive it takes 12 to lynch. Day ends at Friday, Jul 10 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link) | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
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milo109
466 Posts
"You do not seek to kill me, Mafia scum?" called Milo, "Above such brutality, are you?" "We both know there are other ways of destroying a man, Milo." The mafia said calmly. "Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit – " "There is nothing worse than death, Mafia!" snarled Milo. "You are quite wrong," said the Mafia,"Indeed your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness –" Anyway. Away from the silliness. I think HF is mafia. I think there is a good probability that Scott is mafia. You as well. Harkon is bothering me too. The problem is, this game is so screwed up because of the claims. Until I know something for certain, there is no way to tell. Someone said something about them not killing me in the night on day 1, and I thought it was super scummy. I'll find it when I reread. I think I know the WIFOM reason Ritoky called me town, and that makes me think he is town as well. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On July 10 2015 04:56 Harkon wrote: If a towny had blocked milo he would claim unless he is an idiot. And your logic doesn't make sense anyways. No KP was blocked. Mafia had 2 KP and both are accounted for. I have no idea what this big post is even about regarding milo. Didn't he claim to have been blocked? If not, I'm just stupid. Who was blocked then Oo. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Harkon
569 Posts
On July 10 2015 04:58 boxerfred wrote: Yeah I know, Clarity. So 2 KP's were carried out. In a scenario where damdred is mafia rb, milo could've only been blocked by a town rb. That town rb could definitely claim by now. As long as that does not happen, I hold his block claim for a lie and am totally fine with lynching him. Fair enough. But if milo is scum damdred is also probably scum and since damdred is probably the roleblocker we should lynch him first. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On July 10 2015 04:59 Holyflare wrote: Bf might be mafia for that post. Giant wall of text explaining stuff that gets cancelled out by his last paragraph? Meh Or, I might be town who's simply giving his train of thoughts to contribute and let others try to hop on ideas that I might be bringing up. | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On July 10 2015 05:00 boxerfred wrote: Or, I might be town who's simply giving his train of thoughts to contribute and let others try to hop on ideas that I might be bringing up. Also, I still have a point HF... | ||
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Harkon
569 Posts
On July 10 2015 04:59 boxerfred wrote: Didn't he claim to have been blocked? If not, I'm just stupid. Who was blocked then Oo. Yes, he claimed being blocked. If he is telling the truth mafia blocked him. If he lies (more likely) he wasn't blocked at all. | ||
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