btw ruxx, you no longer care about asking me the same question over and over, or did you finally actually read what i've been saying all along? xP
I've just come to terms with that I won't get a clear answer out of you regarding trfel. Sorry, no offense.
not offended
what don't you understand, though? i thought i explained it pretty damn clearly, frankly
I expressed my thoughts in this post I don't understand the motivation for disrupting people trying to question Trfel. I understand that HF probably was a bit mean, but you should let the mod handle that. You're not Trfel's mommy. He can take care of himself.
demonstrate where i disrupted people trying to question trfel, because i didn't xP
This post:
On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:
On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:
On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote: @rsoultin.
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game. Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information. Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit. The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel. When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself? Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment? Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on. Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?
go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims
i've answered all your leading questions already
i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me
i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?
lol ><
I read your interaction just fine. Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.
1st interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia" RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure" HF: "I don't need your opinion RS" RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!". HF: "I don't need you go away". Mod: Interrupts.
2nd interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner" RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel" HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning) RS: "You were trying to shit on me!" HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information" RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else" (topic changed)
3rd interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why". RS: "HF, you can't read!" RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!" HF: "How is that not reading?" RS: "Trfel already explained it!" HF: "Explained it how?" RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?" HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?" RS: "You are stupid HF!" (Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)
It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view. Once again you're derailing.
I'm not going away anytime soon.
i am not going to go line-by-line with this post and actually point out all the things you're misrepresenting or leaving out, ruxxar. it's not worth my time, and it insults your intelligence
i want you to quote actual posts where i was actively disrupting people getting a read on trfel not repost a made-up dialogue
That dialogue is based on real quotes. I can post the quotes I made the recap from instead if that makes you happy.
On July 11 2015 23:54 Harkon wrote: Why are you discussing this shit again? Does anyone think it will be more productive than the last 10 times?
That's why I said I'd come to terms with not getting a clear answer. I don't want to shit up the thread again.
if you can keep a straight head i can? marv's right. i think you're scum right now because of how you've approached me. but maybe i'm just not seeing what you're getting at? so i want you to explain to me which posts made you think i was disrupting people from getting reads on trfel
This is what I'll do. Since you think the paraphrasing is misrepresenting what you did, I'll just put together the quotes instead. Give me some time.
On July 12 2015 00:13 rsoultin wrote: ...i get the feeling i'm about to see a spoiler full of about 10 pages worth of quotes lol ><
That's not what I'm putting together. I'm putting together the quotes I based my paraphrasing on, which you said was incorrect and misrepresenting you.
On July 12 2015 00:13 rsoultin wrote: ...i get the feeling i'm about to see a spoiler full of about 10 pages worth of quotes lol ><
That's not what I'm putting together. I'm putting together the quotes I based my paraphrasing on, which you said was incorrect and misrepresenting you.
that's pointless because part of the problem, ruxxar, is you're omitting chunks of the exchange in your "paraphrase" anyway
just explain to me what your problem is? it shouldn't be hard to explain when you've been pushing it this long
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game. Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information. Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit. The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel. When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself? Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment? Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on. Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?
go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims
i've answered all your leading questions already
i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me
i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game. Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information. Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit. The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel. When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself? Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment? Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on. Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?
go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims
i've answered all your leading questions already
i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me
i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?
lol ><
I read your interaction just fine. Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.
1st interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia" RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure" HF: "I don't need your opinion RS" RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!". HF: "I don't need you go away". Mod: Interrupts.
2nd interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner" RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel" HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning) RS: "You were trying to shit on me!" HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information" RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else" (topic changed)
3rd interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why". RS: "HF, you can't read!" RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!" HF: "How is that not reading?" RS: "Trfel already explained it!" HF: "Explained it how?" RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?" HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?" RS: "You are stupid HF!" (Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)
It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view. Once again you're derailing.
I'm not going away anytime soon.
just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^
why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game. Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information. Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit. The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel. When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself? Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment? Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on. Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?
go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims
i've answered all your leading questions already
i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me
i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?
lol ><
I read your interaction just fine. Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.
1st interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia" RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure" HF: "I don't need your opinion RS" RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!". HF: "I don't need you go away". Mod: Interrupts.
2nd interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner" RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel" HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning) RS: "You were trying to shit on me!" HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information" RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else" (topic changed)
3rd interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why". RS: "HF, you can't read!" RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!" HF: "How is that not reading?" RS: "Trfel already explained it!" HF: "Explained it how?" RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?" HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?" RS: "You are stupid HF!" (Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)
It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view. Once again you're derailing.
I'm not going away anytime soon.
just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^
why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts
If it's incorrect then you should correct it. If you don't I'll assume its correct. I went through all the posts and wrote down my interpretation of them.
I don't need to convince you that you're scum, I'm trying to convince everyone else.
What bias? This is my interpretation of the events. I encourage everyone that don't believe me to go read for themselves and make up their own mind.
lol you're never lynching me off a faulty paraphrase, pup, and i don't feel the need to "correct" what is clearly visible just reading the posts
i asked you what other reads you had
an exercise! \o/ you treat me like you're reading me town and i'll treat you like i'm reading you town, even if i don't much believe it...this tunnel of yours is at best wrong and at worst scummy, so give me something else to read you off if you're actually town
I'm going to show that my paraphrasing is correct, because you were trying to discredit me for mis-representing you. Anyway, back to it.
I read your interaction just fine. Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.
1st interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia" RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure" HF: "I don't need your opinion RS" RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!". HF: "I don't need you go away". Mod: Interrupts.
2nd interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner" RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel" HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning) RS: "You were trying to shit on me!" HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information" RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else" (topic changed)
3rd interaction: Starts here Recap: HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why". RS: "HF, you can't read!" RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!" HF: "How is that not reading?" RS: "Trfel already explained it!" HF: "Explained it how?" RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?" HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?" RS: "You are stupid HF!" (Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)
It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view. Once again you're derailing.
On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote: I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.
lol wow you really don't get it, do you?
truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP
it's actually a fucking towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out there
On July 06 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote: And at what point does it look like he's taking his time to read the thread at all? 0 of his points are orientated to this thread. If they are they are certainly picked out of the weirdest topics with 0 relevance. He actually has 1 point about the first post in the game.
I don't think you understand mafiarollingitis at all so you shouldn't try to comment on it being relevant that he's taking his time to shit up the thread when that's an exact symptom. Town trfel is far more calculated, opinionated and precise.
^^ i understand what you're trying to push. i'm saying it's nai for truffle at best, that you're conveniently only focusing on his best qualities (that he's proven he's capable of replicating as scum anyway, so lol ><)
and yes, i'm damn good at tonereading this kid. because i actually talk to him and KNOW him outside of these mafia games, which is definitely more than can be said for you
On July 06 2015 16:40 Holyflare wrote: Yes go away then thanks.
On July 06 2015 16:45 Blazinghand wrote: I haven't seen anything over the line yet, but I can taste the direction of the wind so I'd like to remind players that I am arbitrarily and unreasonably strict about behavior guidelines. I am more aggressive than most hosts about these things, and so to be safe you better just all play nice. This is not a warning.
On July 07 2015 02:36 Holyflare wrote: No it's not like that at all. Trfel is a consistently logical and well thought out player that posts a lot of what he thinks and is very opinionated ALWAYS. You can't possibly find a game in the database where he has ever opened like this at all. It doesn't exist. I have also played as mafia and try harded enough to experience the burnt out effect of mafiarollingitis. This looks like classic burnt out mafia rolling mafia again.
That's not even the whole thing. You can see when he does actually try and start to contribute his posts ask circular questions that never meant to receive an answer that makes sense:
On July 06 2015 16:14 Breshke wrote: Trefel what are you doing?
Not much, why?
I ment like in the thread i thought you had an angle. But then you started asking questions so meh.
I had something in mind, but it didn't actually show anything.
On July 06 2015 16:14 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:13 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin, do you think that Holyflare is scum?
not particularly xP
Now, if only I knew your alignment....
As you can see here. No matter what you answered his reply would always be the same. It's a redundant circular question meant to appear contributary but actually just clutters the thread incessantly drawing us away from actual important things.
It's not a thought process, it's literal questions for the sake of asking questions.
On July 07 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote: If by forcing you to read him one way or another you mean presenting logical and well thought out facts that counter your made up heresay facts from carol that ended up not even being true then sure.
On July 06 2015 15:17 Holyflare wrote: Uh oh trfel
Hm?
It seems you are suffering from consecutivemafiarollingitis and are subsequently burnt out. I am sorry for your loss.
I will never back down from this busread. It's far too similar to what I used to experience and what I would be posting in that situation.
You can read the thread all you want but just get this in your head. All the effort you can muster for this second game in a row will be futile. Have fun
On July 06 2015 15:54 Holyflare wrote: Hey, your vote means nothing anyway right? What harm is it following me for a bit?
I thought you were never ever going to change your read on me no matter what?
Who says my vote will be changing and why would that matter?
I know it's hard man. I feel your pain i really do. You're in the trolling and pointing out irrelevant crap for the sake of it part of the mafiarollingitis waiting for a scummy post or your motivation to reappear. It will happen later but it's already too late for you. Rest dear boy. Your time shall come again next game.
On July 06 2015 16:37 Holyflare wrote: I also have no idea why you repeatedly jump to people's defences before they even speak for themselves. Not only does it inhibit people playing the game and getting their groove on but it constantly gives the people under pressure multiple outs and feelings of less pressure. Back off and go to bed. You're messing with things you don't understand.
On July 06 2015 16:44 Holyflare wrote: What shitty logic "i know this guy best so just stop playing the game that you play where you have no information and instead of quizzing people and letting them post I'll just disregard it and blindly defend them!"
There's a reason people seemingly ignore your posts and that's the majority of the reason why.
"you're 100% scum no matter what you do hahaha" "shut up bitch stop interfering with my quizzing"
not only was that blatant misrepresentation of what i was doing, but it started with me saying this? like, seriously?
On July 06 2015 16:14 Breshke wrote: But nah rsoul i like damdys read so meh
I jsut don't see how you said "keep pretending this is what my problem is" when from the initial post you didn't say anything about damdred and i later explained that i voted not for my own reason but for damdreds.
Trefel what are you doing?
i missed the vote
like you say early votes mean jack shit, and it was just to show how much you agreed with damdy's point. that's a pretty damn strong agreement, and wasn't the impression i got when i first read your posting. i don't get why you think damdy calling ls lazy a few pages into the game is good, certainly not that good
so basically it comes down to strength of agreement
Okay i follow.
You were right in your last post when you said you dont care to pursue this i jsut became really bored with it aswell.
Watcha think of trefel and why isn't HF trying to get you to vote him
xP could get that from reading the thread
i've already said i doubt trfel is scum (tone! \o/) and hf isn't an imbecile lol >< i'm stubborn as hell
On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote: I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.
so not only is hf misrepresenting me, but he's going out of his way to be a dick about it at the same time, and if this is his idea of just "pressuring" or "quizzing" someone, it's sure not coming through in his posts
i'm not usually this fucking paranoid, but after last game when hf and bugs spent d1/n1 deliberately shitting on me and trying to throw me on tilt...especially with how well we usually get along when he's town, i highly doubt this is town hf and i really don't care if the rest of you are too chicken shit to push him
i'm tired of getting nkd and watching hf win
again
and again
has trfel posted anything amazing? no. does that make him scum? no. i read him by his off-brand of humor and a few other indicators...i usually get a solid read on him within his first page of filter. i'm good at it. i don't give a damn if you question him, but hell if you're going to bully me into shutting up by slinging shit at me, hf
On July 07 2015 02:42 Holyflare wrote: it's also pretty convenient you miss out these posts in your crappy narrative:
On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote: I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.
lol wow you really don't get it, do you?
truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP
it's actually a fucking towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out there
On July 06 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote: And at what point does it look like he's taking his time to read the thread at all? 0 of his points are orientated to this thread. If they are they are certainly picked out of the weirdest topics with 0 relevance. He actually has 1 point about the first post in the game.
I don't think you understand mafiarollingitis at all so you shouldn't try to comment on it being relevant that he's taking his time to shit up the thread when that's an exact symptom. Town trfel is far more calculated, opinionated and precise.
^^ i understand what you're trying to push. i'm saying it's nai for truffle at best, that you're conveniently only focusing on his best qualities (that he's proven he's capable of replicating as scum anyway, so lol ><)
and yes, i'm damn good at tonereading this kid. because i actually talk to him and KNOW him outside of these mafia games, which is definitely more than can be said for you
On July 07 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote: "oh hf totally misrepresented me defending trfel because look i didn't" (if i eliminate the posts from my filter where i do!)
after you started shitting on me and trying to make it look like nothing i said was worth anything
On July 07 2015 02:42 Holyflare wrote: it's also pretty convenient you miss out these posts in your crappy narrative:
On July 06 2015 16:31 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote: I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.
lol wow you really don't get it, do you?
truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP
it's actually a fucking towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out there
but keep barking about it
On July 06 2015 16:39 rsoultin wrote:
On July 06 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote: And at what point does it look like he's taking his time to read the thread at all? 0 of his points are orientated to this thread. If they are they are certainly picked out of the weirdest topics with 0 relevance. He actually has 1 point about the first post in the game.
I don't think you understand mafiarollingitis at all so you shouldn't try to comment on it being relevant that he's taking his time to shit up the thread when that's an exact symptom. Town trfel is far more calculated, opinionated and precise.
^^ i understand what you're trying to push. i'm saying it's nai for truffle at best, that you're conveniently only focusing on his best qualities (that he's proven he's capable of replicating as scum anyway, so lol ><)
and yes, i'm damn good at tonereading this kid. because i actually talk to him and KNOW him outside of these mafia games, which is definitely more than can be said for you
want to post your posts in between that, pretty? lol >< are you trying to be hypocritical or does it just come naturally to you?
I'm not sure how my posts in between are relevant at all since i'm not defending the stance that I was a dick. I'm saying I had a purpose and you repeatedly spewed tmi or an inability to see the direction of where things were going. If your read is null and someone is pushing something then I have no idea why you'd go in the opposite direction and defend them when your read is null.
On July 07 2015 02:59 Holyflare wrote: i've read his filter and he actually plays the game which he has yet to do despite actually being here.
lol >< and you started in on him before he'd even gotten a chance to settle in? of course he eventually did stuff, and i fully expect him to again this game
talk about something else we're never going to agree on this
On July 07 2015 08:51 Half the Sky wrote: Going to check the timestamps to see where it came from for myself, although Trfel really needs to explain himself at this point, what changed his read?
Sorry, it's not something I'm going to explain.
And there is much more to my LightningStrike scumread than his latest few posts.
On July 07 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote: I don't disagree with lynching LS.
However
On July 07 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote: LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then?
Do you have an opinion on ritoky independent of any claims?
I don't have a read on him.
Hes probably been the most talked about person for the last.... 5-10 pages maybe? claim and all, you have no opinions but quizzed ls about his?
I wasn't asking to find out about ritoky, I don't really care about ritoky.
I was asking to learn more about LightningStrike.
hts saw the questioning
why are you so blind, hf?
QUESTIONING
QUESTIONING
what in his answers lead to him reversing his earlier stance
why is he asking lightningstrike questions when he had the stance of not wanting to lynch him
none of those are answers
-_-
i have nothing productive to say to you
if you can't connect that something in the response to those questions prompted that comment, whatever. at least acknowledge that the REAL problem is truffle isn't explaining where his head's at instead of trying to sell that his read changed for NO REASON with NO PROMPTING
like seriously. the last time you pulled this shit it was with gb and claiming that the only reason he had to scumread...i don't even remember who it was anymore lol bf?...was because of one post simply because you arbitrarily decided to throw out the other reasons
There's more inbetween there, but this is the essence of it. This is what I view as disruption/deflection off trfel. I want to know why you did this. Not why you think trfel is town, but why you won't let HF push on him.
The thing is rsoul, that I can't see any town motivation for doing what you did. I might attribute it to just being a thing between you and HF that just sparks into a shitfight, but in my eyes it still looks anti-town and scummy.
On July 12 2015 01:10 rsoultin wrote: and the third was because truffle had said he was about to post a case, and i told him to read for that reason...
so like...how was i being obstructive?
(i kinda did explain all of this already in that big post, ruxx -_-)
like is there a misunderstanding somewhere or what?
Well, when you start calling out people for not understanding something, that's pretty much inviting them into a shitfight, which will derail their attention from what they were actually trying to accomplish.
It also let's pressure off trfel since he doesn't feel the need to answer the question when he's busy with you.
On July 12 2015 01:09 ruXxar wrote: The thing is rsoul, that I can't see any town motivation for doing what you did. I might attribute it to just being a thing between you and HF that just sparks into a shitfight, but in my eyes it still looks anti-town and scummy.
just to clarify - are you able to make the distinction between anti-town and scummy?
townies do bad shit and anti-town shit ALL the time.
rsoultin is known to be pretty argumentative at the best of times
I'd say a good example of anti-town is LS outing his blue roles. But since he's known to do that in his meta, it can't be viewed as directly scummy.
I tried to come up with some reasons for what rsoultin was doing, and I came up with these:
1 rsoul is town, she and trfel are such close friends that she feels the need to defend him. She thinks her reads on him are correct and that his alignment should not be determined further.(anti-town)
2 rsoul is mafia defending/deflecting off town trfel because she is certain of his alignment and she knows he's an easy target. If he flips she will look good for defending him.(scummy)
3 rsoul is mafia together with trfel and deflecting off her partner .(scummy)
On July 12 2015 01:10 rsoultin wrote: and the third was because truffle had said he was about to post a case, and i told him to read for that reason...
so like...how was i being obstructive?
(i kinda did explain all of this already in that big post, ruxx -_-)
like is there a misunderstanding somewhere or what?
Well, when you start calling out people for not understanding something, that's pretty much inviting them into a shitfight, which will derail their attention from what they were actually trying to accomplish.
It also let's pressure off trfel since he doesn't feel the need to answer the question when he's busy with you.
So what exactly are you saying? Rsoultin is scum with Trfel?
I think either she's scum alone or she's scum with trfel. I read them both as scummy independently of each other.
On July 12 2015 01:32 rsoultin wrote: oh didn't see that first comment
why is ls cleared for his meta but meta you witnessed in our last game...me being stubborn on tonereads...not apply to this one? i know i've asked this before
like you literally could have said the same thing about me and gb if gb wasn't actually the cop that game. or me and damdred
It's not the fact that you're have a tone read on Trfel, but the fact that you were actively deflecting pressure off him.
Also I want to make it clear that it's not just this one incident I'm scum reading you for. There's multiple things in your play that I didn't like, which I've pointed out before.
On July 12 2015 06:10 milo109 wrote: Hello friends
Hello friend. We need to talk. Mind answering my questions from earlier?
@milo: can you talk a little bit more about the fake red check, the plan behind it, what you gained from and why you rescinded so early. I have some follow up questions after that.
EPT
