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On July 08 2015 02:35 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 02:17 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. that you are clearly basing your read on her ability to post walls of text and that you aren't sheeping my superior read for no good reason Saying your read is superior without telling me why isn't helping. Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. you fucking serious? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=111#2208read all the nested stuff Is meta the only way to catch her then? Because on its own you can't very well say her posting has been overly scummy.
where do I say it's meta? All of the reasons for scum reading her are based on this game entirely, the meta is purely to back up the fact that this isn't towny behaviour.
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On July 08 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:30 geript wrote:On July 08 2015 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 02:25 geript wrote:
BTW. Oats should be lynched regardless for actually believing in scumslips. That sort of shit should be punished heavily. Anyone who thinks like that needs to be taught a lesson. I slip as mafia means anyone can slip as mafia. So you're admitting that you scumslipped this game. Sweet. Just post baby seals now. Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:25 geript wrote:
BTW. Oats should be lynched regardless for actually believing in scumslips. That sort of shit should be punished heavily. Anyone who thinks like that needs to be taught a lesson. hehe anyway, milo or HtS are the lynches today, you can take your pick! If you're too lazy to read HtS then that's fine as long as you just admit that
Still didn't answer what happened to the ritoky or Trfel reads you had before....yawn....
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On July 08 2015 02:35 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 02:17 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. that you are clearly basing your read on her ability to post walls of text and that you aren't sheeping my superior read for no good reason Saying your read is superior without telling me why isn't helping. Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. you fucking serious? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=111#2208read all the nested stuff Is meta the only way to catch her then? Because on its own you can't very well say her posting has been overly scummy.
Its been pretty scummy.
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The first nested case is quality this game posting of a thought process she can't possibly follow. It's great.
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On July 08 2015 02:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:35 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 08 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 02:17 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. that you are clearly basing your read on her ability to post walls of text and that you aren't sheeping my superior read for no good reason Saying your read is superior without telling me why isn't helping. Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. you fucking serious? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=111#2208read all the nested stuff Is meta the only way to catch her then? Because on its own you can't very well say her posting has been overly scummy. where do I say it's meta? All of the reasons for scum reading her are based on this game entirely, the meta is purely to back up the fact that this isn't towny behaviour.
It's pretty disingenuous to say it isn't towny behaviour. There are plenty of townies who post like this without coming with conclusions or pushing harder. Like, I admit it very well could be scummy behaviour but I don't feel it strongly.
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On July 08 2015 02:37 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:34 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:30 geript wrote:On July 08 2015 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On July 08 2015 02:25 geript wrote:
BTW. Oats should be lynched regardless for actually believing in scumslips. That sort of shit should be punished heavily. Anyone who thinks like that needs to be taught a lesson. I slip as mafia means anyone can slip as mafia. So you're admitting that you scumslipped this game. Sweet. Just post baby seals now. On July 08 2015 02:25 geript wrote:
BTW. Oats should be lynched regardless for actually believing in scumslips. That sort of shit should be punished heavily. Anyone who thinks like that needs to be taught a lesson. hehe anyway, milo or HtS are the lynches today, you can take your pick! If you're too lazy to read HtS then that's fine as long as you just admit that Still didn't answer what happened to the ritoky or Trfel reads you had before....yawn....
On July 08 2015 00:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote:
does anyone think ritoky is town outside his claim?
or at least, i should rephrase, are there posts that might make you think he could be? I dunno his posts around what I was saying about trfel weren't awful but other than that it's pretty scummy (I keep coming back to the post where he lists 3 people that weren't really scummy at all and says 1 of them could be and going ... meh) but his claim after LS' claim last game also gives me wtf vibes but i don't really want to lynch him either kind of thing basically i'm a pussy and don't want to lynch a potential cop 
On July 08 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:27 Half the Sky wrote:On July 08 2015 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
2) Scott31337 (filter)
3) WaveofShadow (filter)
6) Vivax (filter)
7) Bill Murray (filter)
8) ritoky (filter)
11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter)
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter)
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I think I do want to remove scott too maybe... his list post just made me feel good
bolded i would lynch today probably and the rest is because i'm being super lazy and just not reading to get a better idea of On mobile atm but I have two questions for you: I'm reading your filter, you've been pushing Trfel for 11/13 pages of your filter. Then I see a "maybe/maybe not" as your last comment so how did that Trfel read just disappear? Second, milo and ritoky are my top two scum reads. I've been abundantly clear where I stood on both all game. You mean to say that if we are on a scum team together that I'd be bussing two of my teammates? Or put it another way, if you are pushing my lynch you would be voting with me (a scum read) on either milo or ritoky. Does not compute. I've made it clear his post defending himself wasn't that bad. I also don't care who you are pushing. Like i said anyway your milo push isn't a push. It's uneventful, uninspired and not driven.
yes i did, how dishonest
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On July 07 2015 20:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 12:42 Breshke wrote:I also think scott is probably mafia. His reads list was lackluster and jsut seems to be some surface level stuff without actually trying to work anything out. The only interesting thing is this On July 07 2015 05:26 scott31337 wrote:I'm thinking I like a milo lynch - On July 06 2015 11:48 milo109 wrote:
Damn, I want to follow Oats to victory. Let me be the first to call it out from the hilltops, and let all those with pure hearts rejoice, Oatsmaster is town. Then Ruxxar has this post - On July 06 2015 12:03 ruXxar wrote:
Oatsy <3
I like where you're going so far.
You're showing determination in your play.
That's what I wanna see from you.
Is there a difference between your mafia scum reads, or is everyone you call mafia equally mafia? Oats and Milo call out Ruxxar's post, but Oats does not call out Milo's post for townreading him for his "name mafia" posts. Very interesting. I'm townreading Ruxxar but not Oats and Milo. We still have two people who haven't even posted (Zipph and Elite69) for all we know they could be two out of the five mafia right there. The rest of his filter basically has "Damd mafia" "Keis mafia" "Oats town". But it feels like he is reaching and i don't really get why the AFK's get a mention halfway through. Here it is. Initially I read this post because Breshke was throwing around weird "general" type accusations like: "His reads list was lackluster" "some surface level stuff without actually trying to work anything out" "But it feels like he is reaching" Like this is why I'm only half liking breshke even though I sorta like his case. This is the type of accusations people make when they don't know what they should be saying. But it's both conceivable that Breshke made this shit up as mafia, and that he simply doesn't quite know how to present his findings as town. As almost an afterthought I read scott's post that Breshke highlighted and it's really a terrible post. The biggest thing I'm worried about is that it seems rather unlikely that scott would try to call out the entire mafia team like that if he is mafia. So... as I write this I'm officially waffling. idk what to think about either of them.
I really don't think Breshke is mafia either for trying to go after this. He made a decent point and Oats somewhat explained it himself as well. My reads was a copy and paste from my spreadsheet that I'm keeping notes in. I'm updating it along the way.
On July 07 2015 20:31 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote:
Tbh, if clarity is mafia it's because in literally the second post in the game he said holyflare claiming VT in the first post of the game is somehow "interesting".
It's not interesting, people do this shit every fucking game and no one should give a fuck. The fact he tried to appear interested in something so completely and obviously worthless (nevermind that HF is the worst "dick around with claims" offender on TL) is actually kinda scummy and the reason I threw my vote on him yesterday.
Like I think it's sort of mafia like but I don't know if I can convince people that calling something interesting that isn't interesting is a solid case for someone being mafia. I disagree on "noone should give a fuck". Every claim at every point in the game deserves attention. However I agree, pointing out how interesting it is does indicate that clarity wants to put emphasis on the claim - which he did not do. Although he said that due to him, people were talking "5 pages" about the claim which was simply a lie. I pointed that out alread (roughly page 40something I think) and I will point to that again. That's one of the reasons why clarity still is among my top scum reads! So I'm fine with lynching HF and clarity. I can see that HF is not going to be lynched today although I'm not liking marv yet. He's engaging and discussing, but he's not really making points. However it's day1, he just caught up, so I keep it at a null read and won't lean towards any alignment. I'll re-go for clarity and I'm fine with anyone who joins me on that. ##unvote ##vote clarity_nl
So if you are saying you are willing to vote for HF and Clarity - that means the posts at the beginning were a stunt and that they are both mafia? It honestly seems a little far fetched for me. If HF is mafia it's a great pocket post, and I could see him doing it, but I'm siding that he's town right now - including his observations, and how he went after rsoul.
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On July 08 2015 02:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:36 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:35 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 08 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 02:17 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. that you are clearly basing your read on her ability to post walls of text and that you aren't sheeping my superior read for no good reason Saying your read is superior without telling me why isn't helping. Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. you fucking serious? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=111#2208read all the nested stuff Is meta the only way to catch her then? Because on its own you can't very well say her posting has been overly scummy. where do I say it's meta? All of the reasons for scum reading her are based on this game entirely, the meta is purely to back up the fact that this isn't towny behaviour. It's pretty disingenuous to say it isn't towny behaviour. There are plenty of townies who post like this without coming with conclusions or pushing harder. Like, I admit it very well could be scummy behaviour but I don't feel it strongly.
oh please it's not disingenuous at all, hts isn't a shit player so you don't judge her by shit player metrics
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On July 08 2015 02:37 Holyflare wrote:
The first nested case is quality this game posting of a thought process she can't possibly follow. It's great.
lol I disagree, that's you being overly sensitive to when people call you scum. You do that shit all the time. As either alignment.
Contradiction is not a scumtell either.
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Also for BF and WoS, the meta comparison to my last game is flawed.
1 I play/approach large games differently than I do minis as either alignment so comparing this game to Not Themed is really weak
2 I have pushed two players (HF can believe whatever he wants to believe on this point, I've again demonstrably shown it) this game so far which happen to be two (now one apparently) of the same players that HF is pushing
3 Large games mean I take more time looking at more people, since it's pretty easy for scummers to skate by. I can see how people can see that as scummy but when necessary I will consolidate on people (and will do now, seeing as people are voting ritoky) that I am finding scummy.
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You can choose not to believe it of course, but I'm just going to tell it like it is.
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On July 08 2015 02:40 scott31337 wrote:Catching up - at page 98 - Got a bit more to go - Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:18 Palmar wrote:On July 07 2015 12:42 Breshke wrote:I also think scott is probably mafia. His reads list was lackluster and jsut seems to be some surface level stuff without actually trying to work anything out. The only interesting thing is this On July 07 2015 05:26 scott31337 wrote:I'm thinking I like a milo lynch - On July 06 2015 11:48 milo109 wrote:
Damn, I want to follow Oats to victory. Let me be the first to call it out from the hilltops, and let all those with pure hearts rejoice, Oatsmaster is town. Then Ruxxar has this post - On July 06 2015 12:03 ruXxar wrote:
Oatsy <3
I like where you're going so far.
You're showing determination in your play.
That's what I wanna see from you.
Is there a difference between your mafia scum reads, or is everyone you call mafia equally mafia? Oats and Milo call out Ruxxar's post, but Oats does not call out Milo's post for townreading him for his "name mafia" posts. Very interesting. I'm townreading Ruxxar but not Oats and Milo. We still have two people who haven't even posted (Zipph and Elite69) for all we know they could be two out of the five mafia right there. The rest of his filter basically has "Damd mafia" "Keis mafia" "Oats town". But it feels like he is reaching and i don't really get why the AFK's get a mention halfway through. Here it is. Initially I read this post because Breshke was throwing around weird "general" type accusations like: "His reads list was lackluster" "some surface level stuff without actually trying to work anything out" "But it feels like he is reaching" Like this is why I'm only half liking breshke even though I sorta like his case. This is the type of accusations people make when they don't know what they should be saying. But it's both conceivable that Breshke made this shit up as mafia, and that he simply doesn't quite know how to present his findings as town. As almost an afterthought I read scott's post that Breshke highlighted and it's really a terrible post. The biggest thing I'm worried about is that it seems rather unlikely that scott would try to call out the entire mafia team like that if he is mafia. So... as I write this I'm officially waffling. idk what to think about either of them. I really don't think Breshke is mafia either for trying to go after this. He made a decent point and Oats somewhat explained it himself as well. My reads was a copy and paste from my spreadsheet that I'm keeping notes in. I'm updating it along the way. Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 20:31 boxerfred wrote:On July 07 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote:
Tbh, if clarity is mafia it's because in literally the second post in the game he said holyflare claiming VT in the first post of the game is somehow "interesting".
It's not interesting, people do this shit every fucking game and no one should give a fuck. The fact he tried to appear interested in something so completely and obviously worthless (nevermind that HF is the worst "dick around with claims" offender on TL) is actually kinda scummy and the reason I threw my vote on him yesterday.
Like I think it's sort of mafia like but I don't know if I can convince people that calling something interesting that isn't interesting is a solid case for someone being mafia. I disagree on "noone should give a fuck". Every claim at every point in the game deserves attention. However I agree, pointing out how interesting it is does indicate that clarity wants to put emphasis on the claim - which he did not do. Although he said that due to him, people were talking "5 pages" about the claim which was simply a lie. I pointed that out alread (roughly page 40something I think) and I will point to that again. That's one of the reasons why clarity still is among my top scum reads! So I'm fine with lynching HF and clarity. I can see that HF is not going to be lynched today although I'm not liking marv yet. He's engaging and discussing, but he's not really making points. However it's day1, he just caught up, so I keep it at a null read and won't lean towards any alignment. I'll re-go for clarity and I'm fine with anyone who joins me on that. ##unvote ##vote clarity_nl So if you are saying you are willing to vote for HF and Clarity - that means the posts at the beginning were a stunt and that they are both mafia? It honestly seems a little far fetched for me. If HF is mafia it's a great pocket post, and I could see him doing it, but I'm siding that he's town right now - including his observations, and how he went after rsoul.
You're not up to date, I already gave HF a town lean by now.
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On July 08 2015 02:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:36 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:35 WaveofShadow wrote:On July 08 2015 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:32 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On July 08 2015 02:17 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 02:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. that you are clearly basing your read on her ability to post walls of text and that you aren't sheeping my superior read for no good reason Saying your read is superior without telling me why isn't helping. Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. you fucking serious? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=111#2208read all the nested stuff Is meta the only way to catch her then? Because on its own you can't very well say her posting has been overly scummy. where do I say it's meta? All of the reasons for scum reading her are based on this game entirely, the meta is purely to back up the fact that this isn't towny behaviour. It's pretty disingenuous to say it isn't towny behaviour. There are plenty of townies who post like this without coming with conclusions or pushing harder. Like, I admit it very well could be scummy behaviour but I don't feel it strongly.
What exactly do you think is scummy behaviour then?
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On July 08 2015 02:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Also for BF and WoS, the meta comparison to my last game is flawed.
1 I play/approach large games differently than I do minis as either alignment so comparing this game to Not Themed is really weak
2 I have pushed two players (HF can believe whatever he wants to believe on this point, I've again demonstrably shown it) this game so far which happen to be two (now one apparently) of the same players that HF is pushing
3 Large games mean I take more time looking at more people, since it's pretty easy for scummers to skate by. I can see how people can see that as scummy but when necessary I will consolidate on people (and will do now, seeing as people are voting ritoky) that I am finding scummy.
That said, who are you top scum reads and why?
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On July 08 2015 02:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Also for BF and WoS, the meta comparison to my last game is flawed.
1 I play/approach large games differently than I do minis as either alignment so comparing this game to Not Themed is really weak
2 I have pushed two players (HF can believe whatever he wants to believe on this point, I've again demonstrably shown it) this game so far which happen to be two (now one apparently) of the same players that HF is pushing
3 Large games mean I take more time looking at more people, since it's pretty easy for scummers to skate by. I can see how people can see that as scummy but when necessary I will consolidate on people (and will do now, seeing as people are voting ritoky) that I am finding scummy.
This is kind of weird. I don't know if I've ever heard anyone say that before.
I'm not really considering meta anyway especially when I have little to no experience with you.
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At this point I'm voting ritoky. I see a few others yapping about geript/vivax/clarity/wos - those of you scumreading these people - is there ANY reason I should vote any of these players OVER milo or ritoky? I'll start filter diving in the meantime now that I can...
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On July 08 2015 01:33 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 01:27 Half the Sky wrote:On July 08 2015 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
2) Scott31337 (filter)
3) WaveofShadow (filter)
6) Vivax (filter)
7) Bill Murray (filter)
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22) Half The Sky (filter)
I think I do want to remove scott too maybe... his list post just made me feel good
bolded i would lynch today probably and the rest is because i'm being super lazy and just not reading to get a better idea of On mobile atm but I have two questions for you: I'm reading your filter, you've been pushing Trfel for 11/13 pages of your filter. Then I see a "maybe/maybe not" as your last comment so how did that Trfel read just disappear? Second, milo and ritoky are my top two scum reads. I've been abundantly clear where I stood on both all game. You mean to say that if we are on a scum team together that I'd be bussing two of my teammates? Or put it another way, if you are pushing my lynch you would be voting with me (a scum read) on either milo or ritoky. Does not compute. I've made it clear his post defending himself wasn't that bad. I also don't care who you are pushing. Like i said anyway your milo push isn't a push. It's uneventful, uninspired and not driven. I mean you accuse me of taking things out of context and not reading into stuff and selective reasoning but then you couldn't even understand why i was pushing trfel at the start of the game, you just quoted a milo post and didn't even know the context of it and were completely wrong about what he was writing. At what point does your selective reasoning and out of context posts mean anything?
explain this HtS, why did you change your entire read on me despite calling me town all at the start of the game based on one thing that you haven't even explained and isn't even true but when you do it you're supposedly going to call yourself town, why is selective reasoning on one set of posts mafia indicative if you do it and are town
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On July 08 2015 02:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Also for BF and WoS, the meta comparison to my last game is flawed.
1 I play/approach large games differently than I do minis as either alignment so comparing this game to Not Themed is really weak
2 I have pushed two players (HF can believe whatever he wants to believe on this point, I've again demonstrably shown it) this game so far which happen to be two (now one apparently) of the same players that HF is pushing
3 Large games mean I take more time looking at more people, since it's pretty easy for scummers to skate by. I can see how people can see that as scummy but when necessary I will consolidate on people (and will do now, seeing as people are voting ritoky) that I am finding scummy. This is kind of weird. I don't know if I've ever heard anyone say that before. I'm not really considering meta anyway especially when I have little to no experience with you.
I used to do that.
Hard to get into big games because generally people dont respond to you specifically as much because there is so much going on.
Its not a point in her favor though.
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On July 08 2015 02:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 02:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Also for BF and WoS, the meta comparison to my last game is flawed.
1 I play/approach large games differently than I do minis as either alignment so comparing this game to Not Themed is really weak
2 I have pushed two players (HF can believe whatever he wants to believe on this point, I've again demonstrably shown it) this game so far which happen to be two (now one apparently) of the same players that HF is pushing
3 Large games mean I take more time looking at more people, since it's pretty easy for scummers to skate by. I can see how people can see that as scummy but when necessary I will consolidate on people (and will do now, seeing as people are voting ritoky) that I am finding scummy. This is kind of weird. I don't know if I've ever heard anyone say that before. I'm not really considering meta anyway especially when I have little to no experience with you.
I'm aware it will come off weird, but I've not played with you before. I mentioned it to BF when he brought up Not Themed before.
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On July 08 2015 02:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2015 01:33 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote:On July 08 2015 01:27 Half the Sky wrote:On July 08 2015 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
2) Scott31337 (filter)
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7) Bill Murray (filter)
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I think I do want to remove scott too maybe... his list post just made me feel good
bolded i would lynch today probably and the rest is because i'm being super lazy and just not reading to get a better idea of On mobile atm but I have two questions for you: I'm reading your filter, you've been pushing Trfel for 11/13 pages of your filter. Then I see a "maybe/maybe not" as your last comment so how did that Trfel read just disappear? Second, milo and ritoky are my top two scum reads. I've been abundantly clear where I stood on both all game. You mean to say that if we are on a scum team together that I'd be bussing two of my teammates? Or put it another way, if you are pushing my lynch you would be voting with me (a scum read) on either milo or ritoky. Does not compute. I've made it clear his post defending himself wasn't that bad. I also don't care who you are pushing. Like i said anyway your milo push isn't a push. It's uneventful, uninspired and not driven. I mean you accuse me of taking things out of context and not reading into stuff and selective reasoning but then you couldn't even understand why i was pushing trfel at the start of the game, you just quoted a milo post and didn't even know the context of it and were completely wrong about what he was writing. At what point does your selective reasoning and out of context posts mean anything? explain this HtS, why did you change your entire read on me despite calling me town all at the start of the game based on one thing that you haven't even explained and isn't even true but when you do it you're supposedly going to call yourself town, why is selective reasoning on one set of posts mafia indicative if you do it and are town
I mean you haven't even explained how it's selective reasoning either. Trfel called LS not scum. Trfel questions LS about Ritoky, LS answers with the most basic answers ever, Trfel calls LS mafia. Trfel posts case that contains no information about his answers to Ritoky. Trfel's case is dishonest.
You disregarded that whole case because of "selective reasoning", where is the selective reasoning?
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