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Welp I don't feel like this lynch is stoppable. Just going to try to make the best out of the information from the flip then. Got a feeling I'm being townread enough to be the next NK, so I'll probably have to do mroe than usual tomorrow.
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Idk, anyone who would shenanny onto WoS or are we gonna trust geript's D1 read?
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I've been juggling with a lot of options, should be helpful for the info but that doesn't mean jack without a serious vote force behind it to let the talk be taken seriously.
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On July 17 2015 06:58 Holyflare wrote:
yeh you must 1000% lynch rsoultin, no if's or buts
I hope this will be what happens tomorrow. Never forget.
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I trust HF to be a better player than both of you, if you really wanted to lynch Wave you could have done it yesterday with me, so gtfo with your poop.
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On July 17 2015 20:59 rsoultin wrote:
okay, so we're at
10:3, which means with the kills tonight unless miraculously we have any blues who didn't decide to out in the first two days
8:3 - tomorrow
7:3 - ml
5:3 - triple mylo/lylo
so literally absolutely everyone in this game who is using hf as an excuse to do another auto lynch is either scum or horrible and when you lose this game after i flip town you have only yourselves to blame for thinking there's any validity to something as illogical as hf and rsoul can't possibly fight/misread each other as town
on that note...oats, you've called me scum all game? isn't this your chance? xP
What about HF's other reads?
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If HTS is mafia she has a future in politics. I can't find anything that would point to her being a liar in her filter so far.
Proceeding.
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Rereading D1 I found this part to be pretty sketch. I hope you guys read this stuff carefully, it's probably the biggest effort I'm putting in since the game started.
Clarity gave an early scumread on WoS for WoS townreading him for no reason.
It all started with these posts, spoilered:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful.
So now that we actually know HF's alignment, I'll think through the logic one could have behind making such a post.
Clarity had a clear intention of not scumreading HF past this point, he said he would fight against his lynch, and knowing now that HF was town that means he was making his assumption based on one of them being mafia. In this case himself.
It's a really odd assumption to make if you don't assume either of you to be mafia. This argument could have been made earlier but now that we have more information I actually have an easier time seeing this as valid.
Going a little deeper: If I know I'm town, and I think the other dude is town, I have no logical reason to argue that one of us is town if the other isn't. So I see a lack of motivation to even go ahead and make this argument unless I know I'm mafia.
To make it more clear, I'll paraphrase what he actually said: "I think HF is town cause both of us can't be mafia together, and I know I'm mafia so HF is town (left unsaid obviusly, but heavily implied)". That's the entire basis of his HF read. It literally leaks TMI, and doesn't have any justification whatsoever from a town perspective.
Here's what happened when clarity posted this stuff, his teammates immediately noticed it looking odd as fuck:
Damdred
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts? On July 06 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts? I wasn't aware he was arguably the best scum player on site, but I don't think it changes much. Obviously my read on him can change, but based solely on his first post I will fight against his lynch today. Why off one post? It doesn't make a lot of sense does it to totally eliminate one person based on an opening does it? On July 06 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:34 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:33 Holyflare wrote:
considering you did 0 things, waves post is 0% correct and likely mafia wave I knew I liked you. Please answer my question. Also this seems like an odd statement because a previous post read like you were really happy with wave? Just seems a weird postings On July 06 2015 09:26 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 09:23 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 09:22 Damdred wrote:
On one level I really like the explanation even though it's super obvious.
On another though, you had to wait on hf to point it out and instantly sheeped it instead of taking it yourself. So it just feels weird Uh.. He answered my question regarding WoS, if anything he sheeped me. Read again Uhhh, so you leave an open ended question. Hf pushes wave is scum,because of a weak town read and you claim hf is sleeping you? Yeah I don't buy that part. Like what would,of happened if,Geript,would,of pushed that wave was town first. Obviously that's impossible,to,decide as it didn't happe n but I just think it's a bit weird to me On July 07 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote:
Well that took a bit to read a good amount of town reads from it sorta, these are the people id want to lynch today
Trfel
Ritoky
LIGHTNINGSTRIKE
these are my most wanted lynched obvious preference
Damdred ends up asking the questions and never actually pursuing clarity as he did everyone else he questioned like that. His concluding opinion on him is: "I just think it's a bit weird to me".
Kelsier:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? On July 06 2015 08:23 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. yeh i know what you said On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? what do you mean by interaction though you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum On July 06 2015 08:30 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:28 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
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I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.
trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times
Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? what do you mean by interaction though you called hf town and then you reference how because of this "interaction" you cant both be scum OK I want to move past this as it's not really worth spending a lot of time on. If me and HF both roll scum, and HF enters the game going "Lol I thought I rolled cop but it's just the VT flavor" do you think I, as scum, would call my scum partner "totes town not lynching today"? What do you think of rsoultin? Specifically the way she's replied to me. well...i feel like if you hadn't brusied the back of my throat with it then i might have made that analysis myself. but now it just tastes like pre.... well it just tastes bad you know.
After this tastes bad business he actually takes advantage of the sentiment shifting in favour of clarity and townreads him:
On July 07 2015 00:24 KelsierSC wrote:
Here are my initial reads
Clarity - The initial posts weren't great but perhaps he was
just excited to play, I really liked his scum read on WoS, he had pressure
on him but he scumread the one guy sort of townreading him out of nowhere
that felt really good. since then his posting has been solid, comments about
trefl and bf seem alright.
Which incriminates him further cause TWO scum had a strong argument at their disposal to push a dude on his odd arguments and they ended up throwing all their questioning away and shrug clarity off as an option.
That's about it for this point. Next point is about WoS and Clarity.
On July 06 2015 09:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
Holyflare you should vote WoS with me it'll be great
Last post scumreading WoS above.
First post unscumreading him below.
On July 06 2015 23:24 Clarity_nl wrote:Going over WoS again and he talked a little about his townread on me I don't like him as a lynch at the moment. ##UnvoteKelsier's efforts are clearly townie to me. I like where this Rsoultin thing is going, I put it in the back of my mind because someone pointed out her softpushing me early is her town meta. Her reads are also the opposite of mine. Despite boxerfred's nonsensical "I decided to not like your first post" stance I do think he was coming at me with a townie mindset. When I said the first 5 pages was basically about my first post and he seemed joyous to "catch me in a lie". I'm actually struggling, it's a pretty big game and most of the arguments/interaction appear town on town to me. I agree that ritoky's opening posts wasn't great, ruxxar pointed out early on that his first post "hi guys I'm town, bye." seemed forced and marv went with it. If anyone stands out to me it's Harkon. I wasn't impressed with his entry which was: Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:38 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 08:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holyflare might be mafia for thinking that Marv is mafia.
My vote is serious now. Please explain this statement in more detail. But he never did get an answer nor did he follow up. Harkon didn't have any thoughts regarding anything that was going on in the thread at this point so you'd think the one thing he asks about he would push for an answer. Other than that there's not much original thought, he goes off the posts of others and says "I like this" and "you should elaborate on this" a lot. Even his little spat with rsoultin just now was only after kelsier was on about the whole xP thing. He's just kinda following the rhythm of the thread. Harkon do you think rsoultin is scum, or what?
Now to what WoS actually said:
On July 06 2015 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
What has been said about clarity?
On July 06 2015 12:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
'Pre planned' is dumb
Nobody actually does that
On July 06 2015 12:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:55 ruXxar wrote:On July 06 2015 12:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
'Pre planned' is dumb
Nobody actually does that It's kinda like avoiding the topic though. If someone asks you why you said something and your response is "I wouldn't say that as mafia", then that seems more like a last line of defense rather than explaining why you actually said something. There's a difference between saying 'I wouldn't do this as mafia' and 'mafia wouldn't do this' in general. One is self meta and super shit. One is actually attempting to think. reading his post I actually don't think I know which that is
On July 06 2015 13:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 13:03 ruXxar wrote:
Do you find it strange that he's scum reading you for town reading him? Not particularly
Not sure if I should continue, cause I think he's giving a lot of leeway to WoS here in unscumreading him off these few posts where WoS is UNSURE about what clarity's post actually meant (this part: "reading his post I actually don't think I know which that is").
So I trust you guys to lynch this guy next after reading this, another argument would be the case he made on me. As I already mentioned he posted his case on me with a lot of hyperbole I'd usually only see from a super tunneled townie which he had no reason or appereance to be previously.
I'm proceeding to find the other two scum.
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You will notice on reading that rso had the exact same reaction as Damdred and Kelsier at roughly the same time, and as Kelsier and Damdred she didn't pursue the matter further. Going further in her filter you'll find the shitfight with HF ensuing.
On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can't help but notice that your vote is on me geript. lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP
On July 06 2015 08:04 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:03 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can't help but notice that your vote is on me geript. lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP Can't blame him, does that mean you agree with wanting to lynch me? nope, it means i see why he finds it suspicious xP especially if, as he's just shown, he thinks holyflare is town
On July 06 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:09 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 08:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts? I wasn't aware he was arguably the best scum player on site, but I don't think it changes much. Obviously my read on him can change, but based solely on his first post I will fight against his lynch today. Why off one post? It doesn't make a lot of sense does it to totally eliminate one person based on an opening does it? Sure it does, it's day 1. >> you must be reaaaaaally rusty to believe this
On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right?
On July 06 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? xP talk about pointless questions yes clarity i 100% agree with you! that's why i said it makes no sense, because i think you're rightthere is absolutely no reason that two scum can't have that conversation; i'm not even sure where you're getting this from
So after lynching clarity you lynch her, pretty simple.
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On July 18 2015 03:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Hi Vivax. My argument early d1 wasn't "1 of us is scum" it was "we can't be scum together" and it was to jumpstart discussion, that said I stand by it that I would never approach my scummate that way that early in the day.
I think my WoS unvote was fine, I liked his explanation of "preplanned is dumb" and his "I dunno what it means" stuff.
You're also ignoring that damdred made a huge case on me near the end of d1 >.>
ad bold 1: Why would you ever think about your scummates as town?
ad bold 2: Did you mention this somewhere earlier? Cause it's clear you were aware of this all the time and didn't just go look it up right now.
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On July 18 2015 03:40 ruXxar wrote:@Vivax. Not to rain on your parade here, but I already looked into the associations between clarity and kelsier/damdred. Damdred actually had clarity as one of his strongest scum reads and was actually the one I felt he elaborated the most on of his scumreads. So to say that he didn't pursue it is to misrepresent what he actually did. Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today.
I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading.
The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF.
The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning.
The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point.
TLDR
Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post
Lacks follow through on some posts/questions
Lacks scum reads
Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks.
This guy is scum vot ehim.
He did so veeeeery late. And dropped that as well in his later reads. Making one case that doesn't have any conviction throughout the game doesn't exclude it's a bus, it only means he made a well written case on a teammate for the reason you bring that up now.
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On July 18 2015 03:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 03:34 Vivax wrote:You will notice on reading that rso had the exact same reaction as Damdred and Kelsier at roughly the same time, and as Kelsier and Damdred she didn't pursue the matter further. Going further in her filter you'll find the shitfight with HF ensuing. On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can't help but notice that your vote is on me geript. lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP On July 06 2015 08:04 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:03 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can't help but notice that your vote is on me geript. lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP Can't blame him, does that mean you agree with wanting to lynch me? nope, it means i see why he finds it suspicious xP especially if, as he's just shown, he thinks holyflare is town On July 06 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:09 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 08:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts? I wasn't aware he was arguably the best scum player on site, but I don't think it changes much. Obviously my read on him can change, but based solely on his first post I will fight against his lynch today. Why off one post? It doesn't make a lot of sense does it to totally eliminate one person based on an opening does it? Sure it does, it's day 1. >> you must be reaaaaaally rusty to believe this On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Clarity do you have any other reads so far? I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that. trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? On July 06 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
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I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.
trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times
Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? xP talk about pointless questions yes clarity i 100% agree with you! that's why i said it makes no sense, because i think you're rightthere is absolutely no reason that two scum can't have that conversation; i'm not even sure where you're getting this from So after lynching clarity you lynch her, pretty simple. logical fallacy incoming xP this makes me scum how?
There's a wall of text on clarity above, gone completely unnoticed by you, and you have absolutely no insight on why somebody would think you are scum when two scummers have shown an extremely similar behaviour as yourself?
Hehehehe
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Clarity can you walk me through your thought process when WoS posts after his townread of yours made you less suspicious of him?
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On July 18 2015 03:52 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 03:51 Vivax wrote:
Clarity can you walk me through your thought process when WoS posts after his townread of yours made you less suspicious of him? It wasn't any deep analysis or anything. I thought his townread on me made no sense but "preplanned is dumb and clarity is tryharding" was good enough.
Do you think that the way Damdred, Kelsier and rso questioned you and dropped you is a mere coincidence in the case of rso?
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On July 18 2015 03:53 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 03:49 Vivax wrote:On July 18 2015 03:39 rsoultin wrote:On July 18 2015 03:34 Vivax wrote:You will notice on reading that rso had the exact same reaction as Damdred and Kelsier at roughly the same time, and as Kelsier and Damdred she didn't pursue the matter further. Going further in her filter you'll find the shitfight with HF ensuing. On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can't help but notice that your vote is on me geript. lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP On July 06 2015 08:04 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:03 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can't help but notice that your vote is on me geript. lol well i don't really blame him xP with the way you climbed right up hf's ass first post of the game daaaaaamdy trash tier new method says ls town. so is my method just really trash or are you wrong on ls? xP Can't blame him, does that mean you agree with wanting to lynch me? nope, it means i see why he finds it suspicious xP especially if, as he's just shown, he thinks holyflare is town On July 06 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:09 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:07 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 08:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
Clarity if you haven't played with hf much who is arguably the best scum player on site. Why do you 100% lack any fear in reading him on precious few posts? I wasn't aware he was arguably the best scum player on site, but I don't think it changes much. Obviously my read on him can change, but based solely on his first post I will fight against his lynch today. Why off one post? It doesn't make a lot of sense does it to totally eliminate one person based on an opening does it? Sure it does, it's day 1. >> you must be reaaaaaally rusty to believe this On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:15 Clarity_nl wrote:
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I think geript probably wouldn't just vote and then ignore me as scum, so there's that.
trfl's first post to me is totally null, either alignment could start by saying they will only be active at certain times
Don't really have anyone I want to lynch yet do you have anymore town? Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? On July 06 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:24 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 08:21 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 06 2015 08:19 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
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Don't really see the point in giving a ton of townreads, but no, no strong reads. ok, it just confuses me because you gave a townread on hf after 1 post, then you haven't established reads on other people. I suppose if you haven't played with hf then maybe you can meta out a reason but it feels inconsistent. what is the answer to your hf and I (grammar) can't be scum? I said we can't both be scum Seems like a really weird thing for two scum to do early on, no? I just realized it after I made my first post and figured it's a good way to start talking about something useful. -squints at- lol you do realize how little sense this actually makes, right? You're replying a lot to me rsoultin but saying very little. I think it makes sense. If HF and me are both scum, I feel we would basically never have that interaction a few minutes into day 1. Do you disagree? xP talk about pointless questions yes clarity i 100% agree with you! that's why i said it makes no sense, because i think you're rightthere is absolutely no reason that two scum can't have that conversation; i'm not even sure where you're getting this from So after lynching clarity you lynch her, pretty simple. logical fallacy incoming xP this makes me scum how? There's a wall of text on clarity above, gone completely unnoticed by you, and you have absolutely no insight on why somebody would think you are scum when two scummers have shown an extremely similar behaviour as yourself? Hehehehe lol yeah. your whole read is predicated on that damdred's questioning of clarity's early posts match kelsier's ergo clarity is scum ignore the case on clarity later that doesn't fit in your pattern finding so let's not even mention it ergo all scum members must be treating clarity the same because clarity is scum ergo rsoul who also questioned clarity for that weird posting but didn't push him...is scum and you can't see how that logic falls apart at all? i think you need to read that thread that just went up xP you're sounding like gonzaw
But the case on clarity fits the pattern, cause before and after Damdred doesn't wanna lynch him.
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On July 18 2015 03:54 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 03:53 Vivax wrote:On July 18 2015 03:52 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 18 2015 03:51 Vivax wrote:
Clarity can you walk me through your thought process when WoS posts after his townread of yours made you less suspicious of him? It wasn't any deep analysis or anything. I thought his townread on me made no sense but "preplanned is dumb and clarity is tryharding" was good enough. Do you think that the way Damdred, Kelsier and rso questioned you and dropped you is a mere coincidence in the case of rso? I think that's more likely than 3 scum having the exact same approach towards me. If rsoultin is scum it's not because she did the same things as kelsier and damdred at a certain point in the game
But cause of?
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Excuse me, but can you be any more nonsensical and oddly biased than this?
Damdred actually had clarity as one of his strongest scum reads and was actually the one I felt he elaborated the most on of his scumreads. So to say that he didn't pursue it is to misrepresent what he actually did.
That is true, however after reading damdred's filter, he didn't really pursue any of his scum-reads at all.
QUOTE]On July 18 2015 03:40 ruXxar wrote:
@Vivax.
Not to rain on your parade here, but I already looked into the associations between clarity and kelsier/damdred.
Damdred actually had clarity as one of his strongest scum reads and was actually the one I felt he elaborated the most on of his scumreads. So to say that he didn't pursue it is to misrepresent what he actually did.
On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today.
I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading.
The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF.
The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning.
The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point.
TLDR
Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post
Lacks follow through on some posts/questions
Lacks scum reads
Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks.
This guy is scum vot ehim. [/QUOTE]
On July 18 2015 03:55 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:On July 18 2015 03:40 ruXxar wrote:@Vivax. Not to rain on your parade here, but I already looked into the associations between clarity and kelsier/damdred. Damdred actually had clarity as one of his strongest scum reads and was actually the one I felt he elaborated the most on of his scumreads. So to say that he didn't pursue it is to misrepresent what he actually did. On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today.
I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading.
The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF.
The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning.
The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point.
TLDR
Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post
Lacks follow through on some posts/questions
Lacks scum reads
Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks.
This guy is scum vot ehim. He did so veeeeery late. And dropped that as well in his later reads. Making one case that doesn't have any conviction throughout the game doesn't exclude it's a bus, it only means he made a well written case on a teammate for the reason you bring that up now. That is true, however after reading damdred's filter, he didn't really pursue any of his scum-reads at all. From the analysis I did earlier I felt like clarity was damdreds second strongest scum-read throughout the whole game. So no, he didn't push him very hard in a general sense, but did so in a relative sense compare to the other pushes he's done this game. And you can't really say that he dropped the scum-read because the last list post he made was just wifom after he already got caught.
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Are you the last mafia, Ruxxy?
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Like, you literally just defended a flipped mafia post death in your argumentation.
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On July 18 2015 04:05 ruXxar wrote:
zzz blow it out of proportion will you.
I'm saying that damdred had clarity as his second strongest scum-read the whole game, and he didn't push hard on any of his scum reads in a general sense.
So what's the point of pointing out that he did push clarity if to you it should be meaningless?
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