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It's pretty sad that you're playing this game quite blatantly to spite people if you are town since you are repeatedly asked questions or are provided with responses that you never use. I don't think you are a spiteful person and are very likely mafia.
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On July 07 2015 12:58 rsoultin wrote:
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apparently that means voting geript with oats -_-
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And that milo vote is just super super weird
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On July 07 2015 14:34 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 14:28 Holyflare wrote:
It's pretty sad that you're playing this game quite blatantly to spite people if you are town since you are repeatedly asked questions or are provided with responses that you never use. I don't think you are a spiteful person and are very likely mafia. I'm not spiting anyone. Almost every question I've asked has had a purpose. Some of it has led to something, some of it has not. Anyway, I recently learned that I might not be here for End of Day tomorrow. So it appears that I will need to thought dump tonight.
So why ask for responses about your ls case and then clearly be around and ignore it?
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On July 07 2015 14:44 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 14:34 Trfel wrote:On July 07 2015 14:28 Holyflare wrote:
It's pretty sad that you're playing this game quite blatantly to spite people if you are town since you are repeatedly asked questions or are provided with responses that you never use. I don't think you are a spiteful person and are very likely mafia. I'm not spiting anyone. Almost every question I've asked has had a purpose. Some of it has led to something, some of it has not. Anyway, I recently learned that I might not be here for End of Day tomorrow. So it appears that I will need to thought dump tonight. So why ask for responses about your ls case and then clearly be around and ignore it?
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On July 07 2015 10:49 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 09:41 Trfel wrote:LightningStrike- Responses to scumreads
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:28 geript wrote:On July 06 2015 07:26 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:24 Holyflare wrote:
##vote trfel
Super over explained afk entry excuse post You already got a vote on someone like he's scum it not going to be just his entrance it would be for other things as the game goes on... Scum #2 I've caught. I not what are smoking bro? Weed? Crack? When he gets scumread by geript, he just says he's not scum, and then says that something must be impeding geript's ability to read him. He responds to geript's scumread, but without providing any content. He doesn't actually ask geript why he had this scumread, doesn't think about geript's alignment at all, and seemingly assumes that geript is town. Furthermore, I'm not used to LightningStrike being this aggressive in his wording. On July 06 2015 08:36 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:35 Breshke wrote:
I also really like damdreds read on LS here. The fact that you didn't meta scott straight away makes it more likely you are your lazy scum self LS
It always feels good sheeping damdred. Choo Choo
##Vote Lightningstrike I not scum what are you and Damdred smoking? Cocaine? Weed? Alcohol? Jesus Christ you are bad Breshke. Again, he's really aggressive about the claim, and assumes that Breshke is town. There are more examples, they're all similar. Contrast this to other games, for example Himalayas: On June 17 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 07:09 Damdred wrote:
So ok claiming town which means ls is scum Really because I actually rolled scum so therefore you must be scum! + Show Spoiler + I've never seen LightningStrike respond to scumreads as aggressively as he has in this game.
- Changes his play in response to pressure, early townread on Damdred
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o On July 06 2015 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 07:47 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 07:42 Damdred wrote:
If you dislike playing mafia with anyone play voice mafia with them you 100% love those people later.
Ls what do you make of Scott asking rs for her read on you so early? Any experiences with him? Pretty weird esp because rsoultin said last game she can't read me well but she still had a town lean on me there. I had played with scott before but only when he was scum O_o Oh? I think I've played with town Scott once. But ls any other thoughts about him? Not much to go on him yet. This is his first discussion about reading people in this game. Damdred responds like this: On July 06 2015 07:55 Damdred wrote:
Maybe I'm expecting to much but you obviously are leaning one way on Scott currently and you have said that you played multiple times with him.
Usually you would throw that meta and five me a preliminary call now you just lazily tell me you don't have enough. Even if it is super early you do it as town a lot but never as scum. And LightningStrike responded like this: Which doesn't actually do anything to help his case. "Hey LightningStrike, you're scum because you didn't do this." "Okay, I did it, am I cool now?" On July 06 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:09 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 08:08 LightningStrike wrote:On July 06 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote:
@ rs maybe your new read should go in the trash the damdred train is going past the ls lynch this day. Na her read on me is correct maybe your LS reading machine is overheating from last game thus not working correctly? Also on the note about scott: As scum seems to be more obvious as the game progresses I only skimmed some of his filter from his last two town games and I still need more posts from him to determine his alignment by meta. do you have any town at this point? Damdred even if he's wrong on me I see Town Damdred this game. The townread on Damdred feels very out of place. This is the only read he's made to this point in the game. Also, note the wording, he says "if" instead of "though". LightningStrike ought to know that he is town... On July 06 2015 11:18 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 11:16 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:13 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 11:06 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 11:04 Damdred wrote:On July 06 2015 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On July 06 2015 10:57 Damdred wrote:
I'm back.
Kel I don't get it, you really like my points on ls which I feel is really strong and getting stronger by the second.
But instead you judge me based on the structure of a town read and don't even mention the ls read that you liked? That's kind of strange how i like to read you and rsoul is how you read eachother, your town read on her is less developed than usual i cant explain that shit. so i liked the ls case, but ls....like i just fucking hate whenever he types so if i ignore all that shit and try to play outside of that id ont like you make sens I'm not sure I follow 100%. example if you don't like a town read that's ok, but you like another read is developed with support you want to discard because you don't like him anyway? So you don't like me. that doesn't make sense and you are discarding part of my game play for no real reason it feels uneven and unnecessary coming from you im basically not sure i believe your LS read anymore and anything connected to LS is always slightly aids so im looking at your rs read and it doesnt feel as good im not 100% i just dont like you in my gut i guess it dpeends what ls does What does it even mean that my RS read didn't feel as good? Not as condensed as assassins where I had to be vs different here and the last game I played in? So you are scum reading me (sorta) on style rather than content? And you don't think my Ks read is good anymore when he is 100% still going against meta? well..it is like this. scott apparently has few games played and LS did explain the read of like "oh you get him later" LS is...well like you never know wtf is happening. so i think a few pages its hard to say well fuck yeh he is lazy...it just doesnt feel good...fuck i cant explain that properly so i feel like your LS scum is dishonest and your rsoul is town feels like a cheap rsoul is town comparitively Damdred is wrong about my alignment and Damdred does normally rsouls alignment correctly but he wrong on my alignment this game but that wont make him scum if he is scum. And it continues. He doesn't take any effort to explain this Damdred read at all. And he's so aggressive towards others who scumread him. It feels like he just townread Damdred to appease him. When LightningStrike finally gives a reason for townreading Damdred (in his list post), it's because Damdred is putting in effort. Which wasn't the case when LightningStrike first gave his townread of Damdred.
- Meek tone when asking people for reads
+ Show Spoiler +One of LightningStrike's most commonly asked questions to people is "what are your reads, please?" On July 06 2015 08:41 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
hi, i am town. i will be back when relevant information is being posted. bye. Drive By Posting seems common this game O_o Normally, I would expect LightningStrike to ask a question to ritoky, such as "When you return, please share your reads" or something like that. In the Himalayas game, he asked this question very early on. But here, he just comments. No question, no conclusion, just a comment. On July 06 2015 11:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Oats while you at it can you explain your reads on the people you quoted please? On July 06 2015 12:30 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:29 milo109 wrote:
Alright you people are boring. I'll be back in the morning. When you wake up care to give me your thoughts? On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share? Compare this to Assassination Mafia: On May 11 2015 21:57 LightningStrike wrote:
@Marv: What are your current reads?
@Palmar: Thoughts so far in the thread? On May 14 2015 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 05:57 Damdred wrote:
Sorry been afk had a hell of a day. Should cat h up and be productive shortly When you are caught up can I have your reads please? On May 14 2015 22:47 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 22:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 13 2015 09:00 Hapahauli wrote:Final Day 1 Vote Count: Vivax (8) - BlazingHand, Marvellosity, Xatalos, Half The Sky, KelsierSC, TalkingDead, Justanothertownie, Oatsmaster, Xatalos (2) - Vivax, LightningStrike Rsoultin (1) - Onegu Palmar (1) - RebirthOfLegend Sandroba (2) - Palmar, Batsnacks BlazingHand (7) - rsoultin, Sandroba, Yamato77, ObiWanShinobi, Damdred, Trfel, GlowingBear, Just for informational purposes. Hello VE thoughts so far on everyone? There's a very clear difference in tone between these games. On June 17 2015 08:04 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 08:02 Damdred wrote:
Nydus and ls are my first hard town reads of the game.
Kel is a town lean.
I'm town, this is a good start Any thoughts on other people atm? I would like to know what you thinking that's all. Here's a counter-example from Himalayas. However, I haven't seen LightningStrike play like this as town before, and it still feels like his tone is more meek in this game than his other town games (even the Himalays quote). Furthermore, he's being more aggressive towards people who scumread him this game than in other games. Why is he more aggressive in response to scumreads, but more defensive when asking people for reads? It doesn't make sense.
There is one more reason, possibly the strongest reason. But I need to see what people think about this before I could consider sharing it. And no, I'm not going to say what it is at this time, so don't ask. Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 12:13 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
ah ye olde crack/weed/alcohol meta read lol apparently i'm not the first to think of it. it any good? it only just clicked for me last game it's pretty basic but works for him being town from my exp, i have another stupid meta read that i'm waiting on for him too  1st point is a town read like we've said and you should have seen if you were reading the thread 2nd point is just silly because he does that regularly, you can just look at any game and see he plays reactionary to appease people 3rd point you literally compare 2 quotes that are exactly the same and say they are different
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Like.... You're given evidence that refutes the entirety of your case and you don't want to answer anything? What? Lol
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Ritoky can you post my refutation to trfel's case so he can talk about it because it's from someone he's not ignoring for irrational reasons. Post it as your own words so it looks legit.
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Someone (don't remember who it was) said that this is a very natural thought. Scenario: you read your role pm, see "oh cool, I'm a blue - damn, I'm just VT". And yes, a similar thought came to my mind - but that happened when I read the OP before the game started. I assume that HF did the very same.
On July 06 2015 16:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:08 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:07 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, are you 100% sure that Holyflare's first post isn't alignment indicative? considering anyone can figure that out by reading the op and he's not an imbecile? xP Haha as if i read the op unless i have to
that's when you know your entire scum read becomes baseless, when you say you did it in the same post ^^
HF, I'd like to ask some things.
a) Do you promise to stop shitfighting?
b) Who are your top scum reads?
c) What do you think about Bluehunter?
a) no, i only shit fight with people being annoying and getting in my way intentionally
b) trfel (although, maybe not, but maybe but maybe not)
hts keeps shovelling shit in my direction that is incredibly unfounded
possibly oats because he seems to be try harding and i'm not used to a town oats giving a shit at all
wave for his defence of clarity that was baseless and then doing nothing <-- - maybe not
all the people below basically
2) Scott31337 (filter)
3) WaveofShadow (filter)
4) Clarity_nl (filter)
6) Vivax (filter)
7) Bill Murray (filter)
8) ritoky (filter) <---- only because of last game and LS
11) Meapak_Ziphh (filter)
12) Trfel (filter)
15) ObiWanShinobi (filter)
17) milo109 (filter) <-------- meeeeeeh? kinda liked his responses about trfel and out there geript read but undecided
19) Oatsmaster (filter)
20) Damdred (filter)
21) rsoultin (filter) purely because she isn't pushing anything at all and just constantly shit fighting with me
22) Half The Sky (filter) <--- is also very placid and keeps trying to jump on me at every possible opportunity with stuff that is obviously bad
^ that's more like mine
c) he voted trfel when i wanted people to vote trfel so he's quite clearly the best player, along with ruxxar, in this game
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me either, hts is super bugging me but meh
i'll get back to you
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+ Show Spoiler +HF, I am bad reading HF D1. and I cannot tell whether his read on Trfel is bad (unfamiliarity) or mafia (taking advantage of the fact that Trfel is not posting reads quite yet, at least I know why). I will need to re-read this filter again.
HF is scumreading Trfel for posting little of substance. I know others had different reads (most notably Ras) on Trfel.
I'm personally reading Trfel as NAI until he posts harder analysis based on Trfel's performance from NSM11. I know he had long gaps in posting in both NSM7 (or was it 9? one of them) and IIRC he was pretty underwhelming as town in Assassination, the latter being a large game, Taking HF's argument, the longer he goes without posting anything of substance, the worse he looks. On July 07 2015 01:35 Half the Sky wrote:
For HF - to clarify, when she is mafia, those are the reactions you get when she's pushed, period. I'm getting that air of selective reasoning HF, and I don't particularly like it. Scumreads on ritoky, milo109, LS, HF, Palmar, BM. On July 07 2015 19:02 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 18:09 boxerfred wrote:
Also I might refrain from my HF scum lean, the read change from Trfel that he observed was really good. Still need to catch up. I thought it was good when I first saw his post too. But HF is really good at taking things out of context if/when he's scum. Even if he's town the post is flawed because LS' filter showed some reasonable basis for the change. The easiest way to cross check that is to look at LightningStrike's filter against the time stamps provided. It is a little annoying to do because the time stamps are in Korean time but once I did I found three quotes that I objectively found scummy in his filter before Trfel even explained it. (You hit the quote button and you'll find time stamp quoted in KST.) ^ like this is by far the worst post hts could have made: "I liked the post too but it's totally out of context! I found these 3 quotes objectively scummy!" that was nothing to do with my case at all, trfel didn't use any of those quotes to scum read lightningstrike and after reading his filter previously actually didn't scum read lightningstrike at all I mean, hts' stances on me have been: misreading the thread and picking out the wrong bits of every argument saying oh i missed it hf is towny seeing rsoultin shit fighting with me in the most obvious way possible and saying i look bad for wanting answers lol saying i look scummy for selective reasoning on trfel despite it not addressing trfel's post at all?? On July 07 2015 19:45 Half the Sky wrote:The other thing on HF is that he was all over Trfel thinking he's rolled scum because of rolling scum twice in a row. The same thing applies to BM who rolled scum in WC3. Marv is saying that BM's play is plausible if he were mafia. If HF flips scum he hasn't mentioned him at all from what I recall so that makes that possibility much more likely. Pre associative I know but something to think about. hts even just hosted himalayas where BM was town and didn't post a single thing the entire game, it's ridiculous that she thinks i would say anything this game about BM in the same way as trfel A few of us have opposing opinions on HF and a couple voiced some dissenting opinions on Damdred - for example Vivax felt that his posts were loaded or baitworthy, like he was trying to reach for an excuse to scumread LS. Do you agree with this assessment (same question also at KSC when he returns btw), I had previously quoted it.
HF, I felt there is some selective reasoning. You probably want to look at the exchanges about 8-9 hours ago to get a sense of what was happening. (Admittedly he's probably not getting lynched today, but it's something that I think everyone needs to think about going on to later days.) like what, hts can do selective reasoning and it's a mistake but that one time I apparently did it (I didn't even do it) then I'm instantly in a scum list. It's a very weird thought process that I can't quite piece together and combined with her lack of pushing in any particular direction but instead just responding to things I think she's quite scummy.
all to do with me! :D
but in general I'd say it's a lot of responding to points about things and not really having the motivation to do it any further. It's like giving the answers about what people normally do and making no conclusions. The one person she did it on was Milo and that looked a bit meh to me.
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On June 16 2015 09:23 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:16 Half the Sky wrote:On June 16 2015 09:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
if you guys want more detailed analysis from me, let me know.
I don't particularly have much to say about the game as I think it was relatively simple. There is a lot to be learned in hindsight, and I think reading Half the Sky's and prplhz's posts from their perspectives can be useful if you want to learn a bit about how scum may want to play. Given that they were never under any serious threat I don't think it would be all that useful, but I do think that Half the Sky's posts from start to finish and prplhz's posts on day 1 are good examples of what to do to stay just under suspicion without attracting much attention or scrutiny. I know JAT spotted a weakness in my posts which I did catch on to and I knew I'd have to step it up in 3-2 lylo otherwise a good town player could corner me. But if you had any additional input for me I'd appreciate it. Only issue is that I know dick all how to play framer, not much better at blue sniping either, I assume you just frame the scummy lurkers just like a DT should check the scummy lurkers but of course everyone checks differently.... >_< I had zero clue JAT was tracker. Ugh, fail. Generally the ideal strategy as mafia is to shoot the towniest people instead of trying to look for the blues or what have you since those shots could always backfire a la XXX mafia and shooting Rsoultin. Although this did cause mass hysteria it also severely would put you behind in terms of mislynches (which is the primary capital for mafia) if you are wrong. The whole aspect of mafia is preserving your capital so that you have wiggle room as the game progresses. This was fairly easy in this game and in retrospect I did notice a lack of push in a direction from you. There were lots of observations which made me gloss over you which is a good thing for you, however, in a game where people look more towny I think you need to develop on a set of mafia reads and start to push them harder so as you don't look too passive. You did have a set of mafia reads this game, I know, it's just in future that will come back to bite you if you are not more resolute on them. As for playing framer, it really depends on what kind of situation you are in. If you are widely town read then it always helps to frame scummy lurkers since they are by far and large the most obvious checks for a cop to make. If you are only slightly town read then it is up to you and you should maybe play it safe. Playing it safe is generally better anyway.
this super guy summed it up pretty well
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towny attitude with scummy posts and thought processes which is pretty similar to carnival so maybe mafia but also maybe not :D
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aren't mz and bm gonna get modkilled?
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but yeh hts' read is still super disingenuous after himalayas where bm just didn't play and was town
On July 07 2015 23:04 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 23:04 Holyflare wrote:
towny attitude with scummy posts and thought processes which is pretty similar to carnival so maybe mafia but also maybe not :D Towny attitude means...?
annoyance at being marginalised and wanting to be heard, which is also just a trait of being stubborn and having an ego which is why combined with her actual content and posts might be mafia
but also might be not
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you definitely sound like JAT
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the fact that he sounds like JAT
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i've got big game syndrome where i don't really care who gets lynched out of my list
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