On July 06 2015 09:03 GlowingBear wrote: Why are people forgetting that Dandel lynched HF out of nothing and not trying to understand his motivations further? If there is someone we should be looking at, it should be Dandel.
I'm catching up, and this post is very suspicions to my eyes:
On July 03 2015 06:50 ComaDose wrote: i think you just voted cixah for mayor tho
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On July 03 2015 08:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 03 2015 05:10 ComaDose wrote: sorry for the fluffy post that was my first post and i'm really new to mafia but yes i did not support asmo as mayor
I legit have no history to read into in mafia and it seems like a lot of people know how others play from the past so i feel at a disadvantage and dont want to put myself out there too much making hard claims
who do i support for mayor... hmm... well LT, mordek, cixah, and asmo seem inclined to vote for plot. I dont know how common it is for someone to fake a claim but if he is on the level then a "neutral" mayor would probably lynch the most popular pick at the time in the thread which seems probably good.
I agree that soniv and wave seem to be doing good town work and maybe that would be an okay place to bestow the mayor mantle as well. might even stretch to include LT in this group because i feel like his statement about HF was more for bait than an actual clumsy scum move.
cixah was a proponent for asmo and only said plot would be an okay choice too but a few people are leaning toward thinking he is scum: soniv, VisceraEyes, GlowingBear, and wave seemed pretty set on voting for someone who would lynch him
Coma, there are a lot of words here, but you're not saying a whole lot. You're largely just summarizing what other people have said, and adding a bit of speculation. Do you have any soft reads? Any leanings?
Your right im always scared to point fingers too hard because at this point its all speculation and being wrong sucks and makes me look bad. I do think summarizing who pushed where like i did is valuable and know i will reference it later. I'll be completely honest instead of forcing anything and summarize what I'm thinking.
Lots of leanings pretty similar to what i wrote above. you wave and LT seemed to be doing town work but we will have to see if that continues today and i def wouldn't call it a hard read. Glowing bear leans town for me too but thats just because he has put some work in, even if he did incorrectly suspect me. Asmo leans town for me too saying things like "it would be bad for town for me to be mayor" and we bros now and im only bros with OT posters.
The shit storm seems to be revolving around VE and Cixah as the most likely lynches presently. I don't understand why people are mad at VE so much, and interestingly Cixah is the one who pointed the finger there first. He just seemed frustrated by the shit storm. before that he was legitimately leaning on people which appeared to me to be in good faith detective work. Im not sure if freaking out after getting fingered (heh) is really scummy or if its just frustrated townie. If I recall Cixah and Req reacted with the same frustration last game and both flipped town. I'm not clearing them by any means but its consistent with what i said at the time. On the flip side I havn't really seen Cixah contribute as most of his finger pointing has just been at who ever is not participating at the moment.
One thing I will point out is that you yourself seemed as eager to vote for asmo as cixah for the same logic. Nothing wrong with that as it was the start of D1 but lots of people were mad at cixah for the random push. But now he is calling for asmo's lynch and is doing a 180 really a scum thing to do if they know who is scum already? I don't actually know.
If i had to say who i thought was leaning mod I'd say BM, Dandel and HF for just abstaining for the most part from actually playing/contributing. BM has a serious asmo for mayor agenda I also don't understand. Mordek gets a pass cause he is on vacation i believe but need to hear more from him when he gets back. Sorry this is still just more speculation, hopefully letting you know what I'm thinking will help.
And on to the only person I didn't mention in those ramblings: ##Vote plotspot because I believe his claim and the odds suggest its more likely he will learn he is poster than mod. also he said "everyone who votes for me will be remove from my lynch list" so i know I'm protecting a poster (myself) by voting for him if he wins.
So I have a problem with this. If he doesn't understand why people are mad with VE, WHY is he voting for mayor the guy that wants to lynch VE? Also, WHY his claim has something to do with someone being votable and WHY it suggests plotspot is more likely to be a poster??? It doesn't make any sense.
On July 04 2015 02:15 Dandel Ion wrote: flipping for information lol
okay we only have one option left to salvage this PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT ##Vote Holyflare
This guy even voted Holyflare for mayor, for christ sake!!!
It's fairly obvious why Holyflare got lynched. He literally did nothing but post memes, and pretty much everyone active (COUGH COUGH) in town was ok with it.
As some point, everyone sobered up. HF...did not, until near the very end, besides point out BM's vote. He brought it on himself, especially since his other mafia game ended before EoD.
On July 04 2015 03:10 Lord Tolkien wrote: Again, You're only on the list of people to lynch because at this stage I can't advocate lynching lurkers because no info on them right now (aka mordek and BM and co.), so it's flipping a coin, and I do like some of your recent posts after the vote post.
Still,
On July 03 2015 05:10 ComaDose wrote: Your right im always scared to point fingers too hard because at this point its all speculation and being wrong sucks and makes me look bad. I do think summarizing who pushed where like i did is valuable and know i will reference it later. I'll be completely honest instead of forcing anything and summarize what I'm thinking.
I'm wrong all the time, and that doesn't phase me.
Who cares if you're wrong at any given moment, as long as you make the most of the information you have, or are actively trying to fish for more information for town.
Also, summaries are generally eh. They're an easy way for people to gain town-cred without actually contributing any new insight to town.
Lots of leanings pretty similar to what i wrote above. you wave and LT seemed to be doing town work but we will have to see if that continues today and i def wouldn't call it a hard read. Glowing bear leans town for me too but thats just because he has put some work in, even if he did incorrectly suspect me. Asmo leans town for me too saying things like "it would be bad for town for me to be mayor" and we bros now and im only bros with OT posters.
You are correct in that I'm confirmed town, but this isn't too useful as a whole. Specifically, Asmo hasn't actually said or done anything particularly useful, since the "asmo for mayor" thing was mostly to test reactions. Also I'm fairly certain everyone's said this before, so this isn't really new reads or leanings (aka easy for scum to piggyback off other peoples' reads).
The shit storm seems to be revolving around VE and Cixah as the most likely lynches presently. I don't understand why people are mad at VE so much, and interestingly Cixah is the one who pointed the finger there first. He just seemed frustrated by the shit storm. before that he was legitimately leaning on people which appeared to me to be in good faith detective work. Im not sure if freaking out after getting fingered (heh) is really scummy or if its just frustrated townie. If I recall Cixah and Req reacted with the same frustration last game and both flipped town. I'm not clearing them by any means but its consistent with what i said at the time. On the flip side I havn't really seen Cixah contribute as most of his finger pointing has just been at who ever is not participating at the moment.
One thing I will point out is that you yourself seemed as eager to vote for asmo as cixah for the same logic. Nothing wrong with that as it was the start of D1 but lots of people were mad at cixah for the random push. But now he is calling for asmo's lynch and is doing a 180 really a scum thing to do if they know who is scum already? I don't actually know.
pls no soft defense. You generally don't want to defend people up for lynches D1, since you want them to defend themselves. And if you're going to defend, go all out, because soft defending someone is scummy, especially D1. It's an easy way for scum to go "oh hey I knew he was town" but not actually stop the lynch.
This is the section which I really don't like.
If i had to say who i thought was leaning mod I'd say BM, Dandel and HF for just abstaining for the most part from actually playing/contributing. BM has a serious asmo for mayor agenda I also don't understand. Mordek gets a pass cause he is on vacation i believe but need to hear more from him when he gets back. Sorry this is still just more speculation, hopefully letting you know what I'm thinking will help.
Calling lurkers scum is easy, but not necessarily true in this level of play. Doesn't add anything of note. And Dandel isn't actually lurking.
Also, #vote: Dandel Ion Getting a really strong town read, and I trust his judgement.
My order of preference: Myself=Dandel>pol>>>everyone else
Can you tell me how the HELL did you have a strong town read on dandel?
You don't read his posts do you.
Between the memes and drunkenness (as well as during), he was making good insights and passing my reaction tests. Given he didn't lynch scum, I'm somewhat less enthused but he's certainly not scummy because he failed a D1 lynch.
@Dandel: if you're trolly and you're town, why couldn't HF be?
I rescind my scumread on Wave. Although I believe he is not confirmed town, other scenarios are less likely (mordek being shot by mafia; mordek martyring someone else), and I had a town read on him before that I reinforced after reading more posts from him. He is actively trying to solve the game, which is townie.
##Unvote
But Wave, I'm town. Your assumption that I could be mafia afraid of you is wrong.
If I were mafia, I wouldn't shoot you. First: If I really was afraid of you, I would raise less suspicions on me if someone else died. If you flipped, this kind of association could happen. It would be safer for me if I don't shoot you. Second: if I'm scum, I'm part of a scum team that would be calling you a bad shot either way. If guys think you're this bad as people call you, why would my opinion overrule theirs? Third: it is completely WIFOM to try to understand scum motives to night kill people and you, as an experienced player, should know this.
I'll ask you this: if you disregard night kill, am I mafia or town, in your POV?
I don't like Tolkien jumping on my wagon after having a strong town meta read on me. THIS one feels opportunistic. Other than that, his posts feels very wishy washy. I don't really saw him doing much more than calling himself town and raising faint suspicions on people.
I also think every Cixah posts reek scummy. I've pointed out why and it's all on my filter.
Soniv, you had me as town. You're calling me scum out of inactivity. If you do not consider inactivity, do you feel I'm scum or town?
ComaDose... I don't know... he feels... scummy in some posts, but in others he feels like playing fluidly. I don't really know what to make of it
Bill is being useless and just following thread sentiment, or wasting his votes, like his mayor vote on Asmodeus. His jump on my wagon is pretty baseless, also. His vote on Asmodeus had no reevaluation and he isn't actively trying to solve the game. Probably scum.
I've seen VE playing like this as town and never saw him playing like this as mafia. He needs to shape up, tho.
Asmodeus is just like Bill. Not really contributing much, and there is that post I quoted from him that was, in a vacuum, null, but makes sense coming from a scum. Also, Bill voting for him as mayor is completely baseless and simply looks like scum following his own agenda.
My preferred target today is Cixah, since I can't see him coming from town perspective. Other than that, I could lynch Bill.
On July 06 2015 09:03 GlowingBear wrote: Why are people forgetting that Dandel lynched HF out of nothing and not trying to understand his motivations further? If there is someone we should be looking at, it should be Dandel.
I'm catching up, and this post is very suspicions to my eyes:
On July 03 2015 23:13 ComaDose wrote:
On July 03 2015 06:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On July 03 2015 06:50 ComaDose wrote: i think you just voted cixah for mayor tho
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On July 03 2015 08:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 03 2015 05:10 ComaDose wrote: sorry for the fluffy post that was my first post and i'm really new to mafia but yes i did not support asmo as mayor
I legit have no history to read into in mafia and it seems like a lot of people know how others play from the past so i feel at a disadvantage and dont want to put myself out there too much making hard claims
who do i support for mayor... hmm... well LT, mordek, cixah, and asmo seem inclined to vote for plot. I dont know how common it is for someone to fake a claim but if he is on the level then a "neutral" mayor would probably lynch the most popular pick at the time in the thread which seems probably good.
I agree that soniv and wave seem to be doing good town work and maybe that would be an okay place to bestow the mayor mantle as well. might even stretch to include LT in this group because i feel like his statement about HF was more for bait than an actual clumsy scum move.
cixah was a proponent for asmo and only said plot would be an okay choice too but a few people are leaning toward thinking he is scum: soniv, VisceraEyes, GlowingBear, and wave seemed pretty set on voting for someone who would lynch him
Coma, there are a lot of words here, but you're not saying a whole lot. You're largely just summarizing what other people have said, and adding a bit of speculation. Do you have any soft reads? Any leanings?
Your right im always scared to point fingers too hard because at this point its all speculation and being wrong sucks and makes me look bad. I do think summarizing who pushed where like i did is valuable and know i will reference it later. I'll be completely honest instead of forcing anything and summarize what I'm thinking.
Lots of leanings pretty similar to what i wrote above. you wave and LT seemed to be doing town work but we will have to see if that continues today and i def wouldn't call it a hard read. Glowing bear leans town for me too but thats just because he has put some work in, even if he did incorrectly suspect me. Asmo leans town for me too saying things like "it would be bad for town for me to be mayor" and we bros now and im only bros with OT posters.
The shit storm seems to be revolving around VE and Cixah as the most likely lynches presently. I don't understand why people are mad at VE so much, and interestingly Cixah is the one who pointed the finger there first. He just seemed frustrated by the shit storm. before that he was legitimately leaning on people which appeared to me to be in good faith detective work. Im not sure if freaking out after getting fingered (heh) is really scummy or if its just frustrated townie. If I recall Cixah and Req reacted with the same frustration last game and both flipped town. I'm not clearing them by any means but its consistent with what i said at the time. On the flip side I havn't really seen Cixah contribute as most of his finger pointing has just been at who ever is not participating at the moment.
One thing I will point out is that you yourself seemed as eager to vote for asmo as cixah for the same logic. Nothing wrong with that as it was the start of D1 but lots of people were mad at cixah for the random push. But now he is calling for asmo's lynch and is doing a 180 really a scum thing to do if they know who is scum already? I don't actually know.
If i had to say who i thought was leaning mod I'd say BM, Dandel and HF for just abstaining for the most part from actually playing/contributing. BM has a serious asmo for mayor agenda I also don't understand. Mordek gets a pass cause he is on vacation i believe but need to hear more from him when he gets back. Sorry this is still just more speculation, hopefully letting you know what I'm thinking will help.
And on to the only person I didn't mention in those ramblings: ##Vote plotspot because I believe his claim and the odds suggest its more likely he will learn he is poster than mod. also he said "everyone who votes for me will be remove from my lynch list" so i know I'm protecting a poster (myself) by voting for him if he wins.
So I have a problem with this. If he doesn't understand why people are mad with VE, WHY is he voting for mayor the guy that wants to lynch VE? Also, WHY his claim has something to do with someone being votable and WHY it suggests plotspot is more likely to be a poster??? It doesn't make any sense.
On July 04 2015 02:15 Dandel Ion wrote: flipping for information lol
okay we only have one option left to salvage this PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT ##Vote Holyflare
This guy even voted Holyflare for mayor, for christ sake!!!
It's fairly obvious why Holyflare got lynched. He literally did nothing but post memes, and pretty much everyone active (COUGH COUGH) in town was ok with it.
As some point, everyone sobered up. HF...did not, until near the very end, besides point out BM's vote. He brought it on himself, especially since his other mafia game ended before EoD.
On July 04 2015 03:10 Lord Tolkien wrote: Again, You're only on the list of people to lynch because at this stage I can't advocate lynching lurkers because no info on them right now (aka mordek and BM and co.), so it's flipping a coin, and I do like some of your recent posts after the vote post.
Still,
On July 03 2015 05:10 ComaDose wrote: Your right im always scared to point fingers too hard because at this point its all speculation and being wrong sucks and makes me look bad. I do think summarizing who pushed where like i did is valuable and know i will reference it later. I'll be completely honest instead of forcing anything and summarize what I'm thinking.
I'm wrong all the time, and that doesn't phase me.
Who cares if you're wrong at any given moment, as long as you make the most of the information you have, or are actively trying to fish for more information for town.
Also, summaries are generally eh. They're an easy way for people to gain town-cred without actually contributing any new insight to town.
Lots of leanings pretty similar to what i wrote above. you wave and LT seemed to be doing town work but we will have to see if that continues today and i def wouldn't call it a hard read. Glowing bear leans town for me too but thats just because he has put some work in, even if he did incorrectly suspect me. Asmo leans town for me too saying things like "it would be bad for town for me to be mayor" and we bros now and im only bros with OT posters.
You are correct in that I'm confirmed town, but this isn't too useful as a whole. Specifically, Asmo hasn't actually said or done anything particularly useful, since the "asmo for mayor" thing was mostly to test reactions. Also I'm fairly certain everyone's said this before, so this isn't really new reads or leanings (aka easy for scum to piggyback off other peoples' reads).
The shit storm seems to be revolving around VE and Cixah as the most likely lynches presently. I don't understand why people are mad at VE so much, and interestingly Cixah is the one who pointed the finger there first. He just seemed frustrated by the shit storm. before that he was legitimately leaning on people which appeared to me to be in good faith detective work. Im not sure if freaking out after getting fingered (heh) is really scummy or if its just frustrated townie. If I recall Cixah and Req reacted with the same frustration last game and both flipped town. I'm not clearing them by any means but its consistent with what i said at the time. On the flip side I havn't really seen Cixah contribute as most of his finger pointing has just been at who ever is not participating at the moment.
One thing I will point out is that you yourself seemed as eager to vote for asmo as cixah for the same logic. Nothing wrong with that as it was the start of D1 but lots of people were mad at cixah for the random push. But now he is calling for asmo's lynch and is doing a 180 really a scum thing to do if they know who is scum already? I don't actually know.
pls no soft defense. You generally don't want to defend people up for lynches D1, since you want them to defend themselves. And if you're going to defend, go all out, because soft defending someone is scummy, especially D1. It's an easy way for scum to go "oh hey I knew he was town" but not actually stop the lynch.
This is the section which I really don't like.
If i had to say who i thought was leaning mod I'd say BM, Dandel and HF for just abstaining for the most part from actually playing/contributing. BM has a serious asmo for mayor agenda I also don't understand. Mordek gets a pass cause he is on vacation i believe but need to hear more from him when he gets back. Sorry this is still just more speculation, hopefully letting you know what I'm thinking will help.
Calling lurkers scum is easy, but not necessarily true in this level of play. Doesn't add anything of note. And Dandel isn't actually lurking.
Also, #vote: Dandel Ion Getting a really strong town read, and I trust his judgement.
My order of preference: Myself=Dandel>pol>>>everyone else
Can you tell me how the HELL did you have a strong town read on dandel?
You don't read his posts do you.
Between the memes and drunkenness (as well as during), he was making good insights and passing my reaction tests. Given he didn't lynch scum, I'm somewhat less enthused but he's certainly not scummy because he failed a D1 lynch.
Well, those memes made HF null at best. And you also said HF is scum if he survives long enough. Why agreeing with lynching him, then? Also, why Dandel, if trolly town, couldn't believe holyflare was also trolly town?
So many better people to lynch. SO many people.
And tell me why I'm mafia other than "GB is afraid of wave hurr durr"
On July 06 2015 09:03 GlowingBear wrote: Why are people forgetting that Dandel lynched HF out of nothing and not trying to understand his motivations further? If there is someone we should be looking at, it should be Dandel.
I'm catching up, and this post is very suspicions to my eyes:
On July 03 2015 23:13 ComaDose wrote:
On July 03 2015 06:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On July 03 2015 06:50 ComaDose wrote: i think you just voted cixah for mayor tho
ty based Coma we bros now
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On July 03 2015 08:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 03 2015 05:10 ComaDose wrote: sorry for the fluffy post that was my first post and i'm really new to mafia but yes i did not support asmo as mayor
I legit have no history to read into in mafia and it seems like a lot of people know how others play from the past so i feel at a disadvantage and dont want to put myself out there too much making hard claims
who do i support for mayor... hmm... well LT, mordek, cixah, and asmo seem inclined to vote for plot. I dont know how common it is for someone to fake a claim but if he is on the level then a "neutral" mayor would probably lynch the most popular pick at the time in the thread which seems probably good.
I agree that soniv and wave seem to be doing good town work and maybe that would be an okay place to bestow the mayor mantle as well. might even stretch to include LT in this group because i feel like his statement about HF was more for bait than an actual clumsy scum move.
cixah was a proponent for asmo and only said plot would be an okay choice too but a few people are leaning toward thinking he is scum: soniv, VisceraEyes, GlowingBear, and wave seemed pretty set on voting for someone who would lynch him
Coma, there are a lot of words here, but you're not saying a whole lot. You're largely just summarizing what other people have said, and adding a bit of speculation. Do you have any soft reads? Any leanings?
Your right im always scared to point fingers too hard because at this point its all speculation and being wrong sucks and makes me look bad. I do think summarizing who pushed where like i did is valuable and know i will reference it later. I'll be completely honest instead of forcing anything and summarize what I'm thinking.
Lots of leanings pretty similar to what i wrote above. you wave and LT seemed to be doing town work but we will have to see if that continues today and i def wouldn't call it a hard read. Glowing bear leans town for me too but thats just because he has put some work in, even if he did incorrectly suspect me. Asmo leans town for me too saying things like "it would be bad for town for me to be mayor" and we bros now and im only bros with OT posters.
The shit storm seems to be revolving around VE and Cixah as the most likely lynches presently. I don't understand why people are mad at VE so much, and interestingly Cixah is the one who pointed the finger there first. He just seemed frustrated by the shit storm. before that he was legitimately leaning on people which appeared to me to be in good faith detective work. Im not sure if freaking out after getting fingered (heh) is really scummy or if its just frustrated townie. If I recall Cixah and Req reacted with the same frustration last game and both flipped town. I'm not clearing them by any means but its consistent with what i said at the time. On the flip side I havn't really seen Cixah contribute as most of his finger pointing has just been at who ever is not participating at the moment.
One thing I will point out is that you yourself seemed as eager to vote for asmo as cixah for the same logic. Nothing wrong with that as it was the start of D1 but lots of people were mad at cixah for the random push. But now he is calling for asmo's lynch and is doing a 180 really a scum thing to do if they know who is scum already? I don't actually know.
If i had to say who i thought was leaning mod I'd say BM, Dandel and HF for just abstaining for the most part from actually playing/contributing. BM has a serious asmo for mayor agenda I also don't understand. Mordek gets a pass cause he is on vacation i believe but need to hear more from him when he gets back. Sorry this is still just more speculation, hopefully letting you know what I'm thinking will help.
And on to the only person I didn't mention in those ramblings: ##Vote plotspot because I believe his claim and the odds suggest its more likely he will learn he is poster than mod. also he said "everyone who votes for me will be remove from my lynch list" so i know I'm protecting a poster (myself) by voting for him if he wins.
So I have a problem with this. If he doesn't understand why people are mad with VE, WHY is he voting for mayor the guy that wants to lynch VE? Also, WHY his claim has something to do with someone being votable and WHY it suggests plotspot is more likely to be a poster??? It doesn't make any sense.
On July 06 2015 09:06 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 04 2015 02:15 Dandel Ion wrote: flipping for information lol
okay we only have one option left to salvage this PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT ##Vote Holyflare
This guy even voted Holyflare for mayor, for christ sake!!!
It's fairly obvious why Holyflare got lynched. He literally did nothing but post memes, and pretty much everyone active (COUGH COUGH) in town was ok with it.
As some point, everyone sobered up. HF...did not, until near the very end, besides point out BM's vote. He brought it on himself, especially since his other mafia game ended before EoD.
On July 06 2015 09:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 04 2015 03:10 Lord Tolkien wrote: Again, You're only on the list of people to lynch because at this stage I can't advocate lynching lurkers because no info on them right now (aka mordek and BM and co.), so it's flipping a coin, and I do like some of your recent posts after the vote post.
Still,
On July 03 2015 05:10 ComaDose wrote: Your right im always scared to point fingers too hard because at this point its all speculation and being wrong sucks and makes me look bad. I do think summarizing who pushed where like i did is valuable and know i will reference it later. I'll be completely honest instead of forcing anything and summarize what I'm thinking.
I'm wrong all the time, and that doesn't phase me.
Who cares if you're wrong at any given moment, as long as you make the most of the information you have, or are actively trying to fish for more information for town.
Also, summaries are generally eh. They're an easy way for people to gain town-cred without actually contributing any new insight to town.
Lots of leanings pretty similar to what i wrote above. you wave and LT seemed to be doing town work but we will have to see if that continues today and i def wouldn't call it a hard read. Glowing bear leans town for me too but thats just because he has put some work in, even if he did incorrectly suspect me. Asmo leans town for me too saying things like "it would be bad for town for me to be mayor" and we bros now and im only bros with OT posters.
You are correct in that I'm confirmed town, but this isn't too useful as a whole. Specifically, Asmo hasn't actually said or done anything particularly useful, since the "asmo for mayor" thing was mostly to test reactions. Also I'm fairly certain everyone's said this before, so this isn't really new reads or leanings (aka easy for scum to piggyback off other peoples' reads).
The shit storm seems to be revolving around VE and Cixah as the most likely lynches presently. I don't understand why people are mad at VE so much, and interestingly Cixah is the one who pointed the finger there first. He just seemed frustrated by the shit storm. before that he was legitimately leaning on people which appeared to me to be in good faith detective work. Im not sure if freaking out after getting fingered (heh) is really scummy or if its just frustrated townie. If I recall Cixah and Req reacted with the same frustration last game and both flipped town. I'm not clearing them by any means but its consistent with what i said at the time. On the flip side I havn't really seen Cixah contribute as most of his finger pointing has just been at who ever is not participating at the moment.
One thing I will point out is that you yourself seemed as eager to vote for asmo as cixah for the same logic. Nothing wrong with that as it was the start of D1 but lots of people were mad at cixah for the random push. But now he is calling for asmo's lynch and is doing a 180 really a scum thing to do if they know who is scum already? I don't actually know.
pls no soft defense. You generally don't want to defend people up for lynches D1, since you want them to defend themselves. And if you're going to defend, go all out, because soft defending someone is scummy, especially D1. It's an easy way for scum to go "oh hey I knew he was town" but not actually stop the lynch.
This is the section which I really don't like.
If i had to say who i thought was leaning mod I'd say BM, Dandel and HF for just abstaining for the most part from actually playing/contributing. BM has a serious asmo for mayor agenda I also don't understand. Mordek gets a pass cause he is on vacation i believe but need to hear more from him when he gets back. Sorry this is still just more speculation, hopefully letting you know what I'm thinking will help.
Calling lurkers scum is easy, but not necessarily true in this level of play. Doesn't add anything of note. And Dandel isn't actually lurking.
Also, #vote: Dandel Ion Getting a really strong town read, and I trust his judgement.
My order of preference: Myself=Dandel>pol>>>everyone else
Can you tell me how the HELL did you have a strong town read on dandel?
You don't read his posts do you.
Between the memes and drunkenness (as well as during), he was making good insights and passing my reaction tests. Given he didn't lynch scum, I'm somewhat less enthused but he's certainly not scummy because he failed a D1 lynch.
Well, those memes made HF null at best. And you also said HF is scum if he survives long enough. Why agreeing with lynching him, then? Also, why Dandel, if trolly town, couldn't believe holyflare was also trolly town?
So many better people to lynch. SO many people.
And tell me why I'm mafia other than "GB is afraid of wave hurr durr"
Mostly sheer annoyance. Even if you aren't strong town.
Dandel was being serious at times. HF was not, despite multiple people asking him to do something relevant. He explained his reasoning for not lynching 6ah or Asmo, who were the alternate lynch candidates at the time (and I should note that this is their second game of mafia, and I believe the same for Coma as well, and they're in "I don't know what I'm doing" mode). Newbie defense is piss-poor, but you should consider their posts in that light to understand why.
On July 06 2015 09:58 GlowingBear wrote: I don't like Tolkien jumping on my wagon after having a strong town meta read on me. THIS one feels opportunistic. Other than that, his posts feels very wishy washy. I don't really saw him doing much more than calling himself town and raising faint suspicions on people.
I also think every Cixah posts reek scummy. I've pointed out why and it's all on my filter.
Soniv, you had me as town. You're calling me scum out of inactivity. If you do not consider inactivity, do you feel I'm scum or town?
ComaDose... I don't know... he feels... scummy in some posts, but in others he feels like playing fluidly. I don't really know what to make of it
Bill is being useless and just following thread sentiment, or wasting his votes, like his mayor vote on Asmodeus. His jump on my wagon is pretty baseless, also. His vote on Asmodeus had no reevaluation and he isn't actively trying to solve the game. Probably scum.
My preferred target today is Cixah, since I can't see him coming from town perspective. Other than that, I could lynch Bill.
1) You still don't know how to read me. I upped you to a town lean after you were willing to fite me over wav. Then you AFK at EoD, and you come back D2 super scummy (all muh meta scum tells blare: inactive/lurking GB usually=scum, super-defensive GB=scum).
2) I would also be fine lynching Bill, actually, so hrm. You. Hrm.
This still doesn't sit right and feels weird. Glowingbears defense reads flimsy to me. They're are lots of alagations against him but he flips on the same paragraph specifically leaving things brought against him open. I will vote like this for now and hope to be surprised tomorrow.
On July 06 2015 09:03 GlowingBear wrote: Why are people forgetting that Dandel lynched HF out of nothing and not trying to understand his motivations further? If there is someone we should be looking at, it should be Dandel.
I'm catching up, and this post is very suspicions to my eyes:
On July 03 2015 23:13 ComaDose wrote:
On July 03 2015 06:52 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On July 03 2015 06:50 ComaDose wrote: i think you just voted cixah for mayor tho
ty based Coma we bros now
help me find the sinister mods
I have always been, and will continue to be, an anti-mod activist + Show Spoiler +
On July 03 2015 08:32 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On July 03 2015 05:10 ComaDose wrote: sorry for the fluffy post that was my first post and i'm really new to mafia but yes i did not support asmo as mayor
I legit have no history to read into in mafia and it seems like a lot of people know how others play from the past so i feel at a disadvantage and dont want to put myself out there too much making hard claims
who do i support for mayor... hmm... well LT, mordek, cixah, and asmo seem inclined to vote for plot. I dont know how common it is for someone to fake a claim but if he is on the level then a "neutral" mayor would probably lynch the most popular pick at the time in the thread which seems probably good.
I agree that soniv and wave seem to be doing good town work and maybe that would be an okay place to bestow the mayor mantle as well. might even stretch to include LT in this group because i feel like his statement about HF was more for bait than an actual clumsy scum move.
cixah was a proponent for asmo and only said plot would be an okay choice too but a few people are leaning toward thinking he is scum: soniv, VisceraEyes, GlowingBear, and wave seemed pretty set on voting for someone who would lynch him
Coma, there are a lot of words here, but you're not saying a whole lot. You're largely just summarizing what other people have said, and adding a bit of speculation. Do you have any soft reads? Any leanings?
Your right im always scared to point fingers too hard because at this point its all speculation and being wrong sucks and makes me look bad. I do think summarizing who pushed where like i did is valuable and know i will reference it later. I'll be completely honest instead of forcing anything and summarize what I'm thinking.
Lots of leanings pretty similar to what i wrote above. you wave and LT seemed to be doing town work but we will have to see if that continues today and i def wouldn't call it a hard read. Glowing bear leans town for me too but thats just because he has put some work in, even if he did incorrectly suspect me. Asmo leans town for me too saying things like "it would be bad for town for me to be mayor" and we bros now and im only bros with OT posters.
The shit storm seems to be revolving around VE and Cixah as the most likely lynches presently. I don't understand why people are mad at VE so much, and interestingly Cixah is the one who pointed the finger there first. He just seemed frustrated by the shit storm. before that he was legitimately leaning on people which appeared to me to be in good faith detective work. Im not sure if freaking out after getting fingered (heh) is really scummy or if its just frustrated townie. If I recall Cixah and Req reacted with the same frustration last game and both flipped town. I'm not clearing them by any means but its consistent with what i said at the time. On the flip side I havn't really seen Cixah contribute as most of his finger pointing has just been at who ever is not participating at the moment.
One thing I will point out is that you yourself seemed as eager to vote for asmo as cixah for the same logic. Nothing wrong with that as it was the start of D1 but lots of people were mad at cixah for the random push. But now he is calling for asmo's lynch and is doing a 180 really a scum thing to do if they know who is scum already? I don't actually know.
If i had to say who i thought was leaning mod I'd say BM, Dandel and HF for just abstaining for the most part from actually playing/contributing. BM has a serious asmo for mayor agenda I also don't understand. Mordek gets a pass cause he is on vacation i believe but need to hear more from him when he gets back. Sorry this is still just more speculation, hopefully letting you know what I'm thinking will help.
And on to the only person I didn't mention in those ramblings: ##Vote plotspot because I believe his claim and the odds suggest its more likely he will learn he is poster than mod. also he said "everyone who votes for me will be remove from my lynch list" so i know I'm protecting a poster (myself) by voting for him if he wins.
So I have a problem with this. If he doesn't understand why people are mad with VE, WHY is he voting for mayor the guy that wants to lynch VE? Also, WHY his claim has something to do with someone being votable and WHY it suggests plotspot is more likely to be a poster??? It doesn't make any sense.
On July 06 2015 09:06 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 04 2015 02:15 Dandel Ion wrote: flipping for information lol
okay we only have one option left to salvage this PUT YOUR FAITH IN THE LIGHT ##Vote Holyflare
This guy even voted Holyflare for mayor, for christ sake!!!
It's fairly obvious why Holyflare got lynched. He literally did nothing but post memes, and pretty much everyone active (COUGH COUGH) in town was ok with it.
As some point, everyone sobered up. HF...did not, until near the very end, besides point out BM's vote. He brought it on himself, especially since his other mafia game ended before EoD.
On July 06 2015 09:09 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 04 2015 03:10 Lord Tolkien wrote: Again, You're only on the list of people to lynch because at this stage I can't advocate lynching lurkers because no info on them right now (aka mordek and BM and co.), so it's flipping a coin, and I do like some of your recent posts after the vote post.
Still,
On July 03 2015 05:10 ComaDose wrote: Your right im always scared to point fingers too hard because at this point its all speculation and being wrong sucks and makes me look bad. I do think summarizing who pushed where like i did is valuable and know i will reference it later. I'll be completely honest instead of forcing anything and summarize what I'm thinking.
I'm wrong all the time, and that doesn't phase me.
Who cares if you're wrong at any given moment, as long as you make the most of the information you have, or are actively trying to fish for more information for town.
Also, summaries are generally eh. They're an easy way for people to gain town-cred without actually contributing any new insight to town.
Lots of leanings pretty similar to what i wrote above. you wave and LT seemed to be doing town work but we will have to see if that continues today and i def wouldn't call it a hard read. Glowing bear leans town for me too but thats just because he has put some work in, even if he did incorrectly suspect me. Asmo leans town for me too saying things like "it would be bad for town for me to be mayor" and we bros now and im only bros with OT posters.
You are correct in that I'm confirmed town, but this isn't too useful as a whole. Specifically, Asmo hasn't actually said or done anything particularly useful, since the "asmo for mayor" thing was mostly to test reactions. Also I'm fairly certain everyone's said this before, so this isn't really new reads or leanings (aka easy for scum to piggyback off other peoples' reads).
The shit storm seems to be revolving around VE and Cixah as the most likely lynches presently. I don't understand why people are mad at VE so much, and interestingly Cixah is the one who pointed the finger there first. He just seemed frustrated by the shit storm. before that he was legitimately leaning on people which appeared to me to be in good faith detective work. Im not sure if freaking out after getting fingered (heh) is really scummy or if its just frustrated townie. If I recall Cixah and Req reacted with the same frustration last game and both flipped town. I'm not clearing them by any means but its consistent with what i said at the time. On the flip side I havn't really seen Cixah contribute as most of his finger pointing has just been at who ever is not participating at the moment.
One thing I will point out is that you yourself seemed as eager to vote for asmo as cixah for the same logic. Nothing wrong with that as it was the start of D1 but lots of people were mad at cixah for the random push. But now he is calling for asmo's lynch and is doing a 180 really a scum thing to do if they know who is scum already? I don't actually know.
pls no soft defense. You generally don't want to defend people up for lynches D1, since you want them to defend themselves. And if you're going to defend, go all out, because soft defending someone is scummy, especially D1. It's an easy way for scum to go "oh hey I knew he was town" but not actually stop the lynch.
This is the section which I really don't like.
If i had to say who i thought was leaning mod I'd say BM, Dandel and HF for just abstaining for the most part from actually playing/contributing. BM has a serious asmo for mayor agenda I also don't understand. Mordek gets a pass cause he is on vacation i believe but need to hear more from him when he gets back. Sorry this is still just more speculation, hopefully letting you know what I'm thinking will help.
Calling lurkers scum is easy, but not necessarily true in this level of play. Doesn't add anything of note. And Dandel isn't actually lurking.
Also, #vote: Dandel Ion Getting a really strong town read, and I trust his judgement.
My order of preference: Myself=Dandel>pol>>>everyone else
Can you tell me how the HELL did you have a strong town read on dandel?
You don't read his posts do you.
Between the memes and drunkenness (as well as during), he was making good insights and passing my reaction tests. Given he didn't lynch scum, I'm somewhat less enthused but he's certainly not scummy because he failed a D1 lynch.
Well, those memes made HF null at best. And you also said HF is scum if he survives long enough. Why agreeing with lynching him, then? Also, why Dandel, if trolly town, couldn't believe holyflare was also trolly town?
So many better people to lynch. SO many people.
And tell me why I'm mafia other than "GB is afraid of wave hurr durr"
Mostly sheer annoyance. Even if you aren't strong town.
Dandel was being serious at times. HF was not, despite multiple people asking him to do something relevant. He explained his reasoning for not lynching 6ah or Asmo, who were the alternate lynch candidates at the time (and I should note that this is their second game of mafia, and I believe the same for Coma as well, and they're in "I don't know what I'm doing" mode). Newbie defense is piss-poor, but you should consider their posts in that light to understand why.
On July 06 2015 09:58 GlowingBear wrote: I don't like Tolkien jumping on my wagon after having a strong town meta read on me. THIS one feels opportunistic. Other than that, his posts feels very wishy washy. I don't really saw him doing much more than calling himself town and raising faint suspicions on people.
I also think every Cixah posts reek scummy. I've pointed out why and it's all on my filter.
Soniv, you had me as town. You're calling me scum out of inactivity. If you do not consider inactivity, do you feel I'm scum or town?
ComaDose... I don't know... he feels... scummy in some posts, but in others he feels like playing fluidly. I don't really know what to make of it
Bill is being useless and just following thread sentiment, or wasting his votes, like his mayor vote on Asmodeus. His jump on my wagon is pretty baseless, also. His vote on Asmodeus had no reevaluation and he isn't actively trying to solve the game. Probably scum.
My preferred target today is Cixah, since I can't see him coming from town perspective. Other than that, I could lynch Bill.
1) You still don't know how to read me. I upped you to a town lean after you were willing to fite me over wav. Then you AFK at EoD, and you come back D2 super scummy (all muh meta scum tells blare: inactive/lurking GB usually=scum, super-defensive GB=scum).
2) I would also be fine lynching Bill, actually, so hrm. You. Hrm.
Ok, but I want Dandel to answer that.
1) what is scummy on my day2? Saying it in a generic way means nothing.
On July 06 2015 10:35 Cixah wrote: ##vote glowing bear
This still doesn't sit right and feels weird. Glowingbears defense reads flimsy to me. They're are lots of alagations against him but he flips on the same paragraph specifically leaving things brought against him open. I will vote like this for now and hope to be surprised tomorrow.
On July 06 2015 09:58 GlowingBear wrote: Ok, I've read enough.
@Dandel: if you're trolly and you're town, why couldn't HF be?
I rescind my scumread on Wave. Although I believe he is not confirmed town, other scenarios are less likely (mordek being shot by mafia; mordek martyring someone else), and I had a town read on him before that I reinforced after reading more posts from him. He is actively trying to solve the game, which is townie.
##Unvote
But Wave, I'm town. Your assumption that I could be mafia afraid of you is wrong.
If I were mafia, I wouldn't shoot you. First: If I really was afraid of you, I would raise less suspicions on me if someone else died. If you flipped, this kind of association could happen. It would be safer for me if I don't shoot you. Second: if I'm scum, I'm part of a scum team that would be calling you a bad shot either way. If guys think you're this bad as people call you, why would my opinion overrule theirs? Third: it is completely WIFOM to try to understand scum motives to night kill people and you, as an experienced player, should know this.
I'll ask you this: if you disregard night kill, am I mafia or town, in your POV?
I don't like Tolkien jumping on my wagon after having a strong town meta read on me. THIS one feels opportunistic. Other than that, his posts feels very wishy washy. I don't really saw him doing much more than calling himself town and raising faint suspicions on people.
I also think every Cixah posts reek scummy. I've pointed out why and it's all on my filter.
Soniv, you had me as town. You're calling me scum out of inactivity. If you do not consider inactivity, do you feel I'm scum or town?
ComaDose... I don't know... he feels... scummy in some posts, but in others he feels like playing fluidly. I don't really know what to make of it
Bill is being useless and just following thread sentiment, or wasting his votes, like his mayor vote on Asmodeus. His jump on my wagon is pretty baseless, also. His vote on Asmodeus had no reevaluation and he isn't actively trying to solve the game. Probably scum.
I've seen VE playing like this as town and never saw him playing like this as mafia. He needs to shape up, tho.
Asmodeus is just like Bill. Not really contributing much, and there is that post I quoted from him that was, in a vacuum, null, but makes sense coming from a scum. Also, Bill voting for him as mayor is completely baseless and simply looks like scum following his own agenda.
My preferred target today is Cixah, since I can't see him coming from town perspective. Other than that, I could lynch Bill.
Like, trying to defend yourself with 'what I would do as mafia' is completely useless. Even if I disregard night kill, I didn't like you yesterday, I just didn't look into things that much, and watching you just now attempt to do things because you're under pressure when you could have been doing similar things yesterday when you were coasting cements it for me.
Somebody find me a link to OT mafia I I have to look into Soniv's play. He just feels so distant.
His points on Tolk ring true though, and I can't determine how I feel on his sudden dropping of the arrogance towards me now that he realizes I'm likely on the right track.
Tolk if you found GB super town when other people either were meh or didn't care yesterday, what has changed now besides NK information? YOU seem to be basing this entirely on NK now especially sicne you said your read of him yesterday was based on meta.
EPT
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