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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 18 2015 21:02 GMT
#1901
Man Im gone 2 hours and there is like 13 pages I am behind....

Not lynching GB
Try TL Mafia!!!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 18 2015 21:02 GMT
#1902
On June 19 2015 05:46 Holyflare wrote:
I don't feel nearly as good about bf as i do gb

Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
On June 19 2015 05:06 ritoky wrote:
okay from HF's thing i remember the vanishing onegu read and the lack of follow-up on VA stuff which was kinda scummy.

any1 gonna try to convince me on BF, or is that just a wagon full of AFKs?


ok the thing is about bf is he was a major major point of contention in the last game the entire game and constantly looked scummy so now i'm getting the willies since i think gb is mafia and he was quite fucking happy to just afk on bf with his hipster only first post read and bf has promised he'd play tomorrow so i'm kindddddd of willing to let it slide

especially with this mafia gb trying to throw shit in every direction to people scum reading him and then asking loaded questions where he's prepared the worst/most fake answers ever





dunno how many times i have to requote this before i get people to unvote bf
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 18 2015 21:02 GMT
#1903
On June 19 2015 06:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 05:59 boxerfred wrote:
On June 19 2015 03:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote:
LS what think you?

Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went.
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear

My vote actually is on someone, you must've missed my post where I say I'm really busy until the next day.
I'm not even lurking currently, I just skimmed through some pages and found your post sticking out so I want to point that out.

Note how it would be way easier for me to not say that.


I didn't catch it all I thought you didn't vote at all I guess I was blind for a little bit but anyways HF isn't going to get lynched today do you mind reading Bugs case on GB on Page 82ish and give me your thoughts on it?

Lol been ninja'd :o
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 18 2015 21:03 GMT
#1904
On June 19 2015 06:02 Onegu wrote:
Man Im gone 2 hours and there is like 13 pages I am behind....

Not lynching GB


either vote gb or go back to afking
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 21:03 GMT
#1905
I just want to say that regardless of who gets lynched here, if you're the cop and you don't investigate the other guy tonight....I am going to punch you in the genitalia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 21:03 GMT
#1906
On June 19 2015 05:59 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 19 2015 05:55 Lohengramm wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:38 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:34 ritoky wrote:
On June 18 2015 14:32 GlowingBear wrote:
This should be the lynch list to discuss today:

- Lohengramm
- ShoCkeyy
- Fidei86
- Breshke
- Mig
- VayneAuthority
- boxerfred

Not in order.

Rsoultin and ritoky, is there anyone from here you don't want to lynch today?


the problem is that is a list of low post count/low hanging fruit in a lot of cases which means i am probably wrong somewhere, but w/e.

breshke and fid would be the last 2 i lynch on that list atm, but if a case was made that was good i could be convinced.


Lost post count is exactly what made this list + some scummy things in some of the filters.
Like, if I had to put in order form LYNCH NOW to DUNNO LOL, it would be something like this:

- Breshke
- ShoCkeyy
- Lohengramm
- boxerfred
- VayneAuthority
- Mig
- Fidei86

Yes, I totally flipped my read on Breshke

I do wonder how this list was formed

it seems kinda out of nowhere given his posting up to this point


his flip on Onegu was also really weird given that when he was town in another game he claimed that not giving reasons for reads/actions is scummy.



???

i see a reason in his filter, but if you want to ask him you can (like literally i'm looking at it right now lol ><)


if you mean that post in which he says he reevaluated because Onegu is lazy or whatever, I don't count that in his favor given that he says shit like this:

On June 19 2015 02:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 02:45 wherebugsgo wrote:
also the thing on Mig is another lie. I didn't want to disclose my read on Mig and I didn't really have an interest in discussing anything with him because there was already so much going on and I needed to catch up. I also didn't ignore him at all which is a huge red flag for GB that he is clearly not reading my posts. Proof in point here:

On June 18 2015 23:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 18 2015 23:13 rsoultin wrote:
God im scattered today sorry.

Also read on mig wbg since you know him better and wanted him to post. I'm a sucker for logic. Can he post like this as scum?


Mig is pretty terrible as scum and a couple of his posts are actually pretty decent. They appear to be indicative that he is actually reading, which is a good sign.

Mig is one of those players where if it looks like he is not reading he's probably scum. Even though he doesn't post much, as town he tends to make sense whereas when he is scum his reads aren't generally logically sensible. For example he pointed out that GB had no proper scum reads 55 pages in which is actually a pretty astute and subtle point. Like, sure, GB called some people scum but at no point in the game did he actually do anything about them-most of the time he's fishing for sentiment (e.g. asking me about VA) and in the LS case he was like "ok I'm gonna vote him too" and then he backed off at resistance from me.

The tone and attitude in this post:

On June 18 2015 08:37 Mig wrote:
Gbs plan is to try and look scummy, contribute nothing and then if you discuss anyone besides him calls you suspicious. Solid.

Do you actually believe any of my posts are coming from a mafia mindset Gb? Or are you just trying to paint me poorly since I actually questioned your posts.


also made me feel much better about Mig because as I mentioned his mafia play is pretty shitty and this came off really strongly. I don't think scum Mig would make a post with this kind of bold response.


here I responded to rsoultin's question on Mig. Saying that I've ignored him is wholly disingenuous and another reason GB is scum.


LOL yeah, you ANSWERED a DIRECTED QUESTION. Congrats, you're totally not ignoring someone you SHOULD be interacting with WITHOUT being needed to being asked for.

Argh, get out


you should probably hold a player to their own standards when it comes to read reasoning. Prior to him being asked this he didn't provide any reason to flip his read on Onegu, and in all honesty in the end saying you have a town read because he is lazy is not much of a reason in the first place
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
June 18 2015 21:03 GMT
#1907
If I was just trying to follow thread sentiment why did I post against LS at all, why was I the first person to post calling out GB? I give my thoughts on what I see and who I think is scum. And in my experience people who are weak mafia/lurker mafia arent usually really brazen. Look at my previous game that just happened, I defended fuba for the exact same reason.

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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
June 18 2015 21:03 GMT
#1908
On June 19 2015 06:02 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 05:59 boxerfred wrote:
On June 19 2015 03:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 03:43 KelsierSC wrote:
LS what think you?

Honestly if Boxer doesn't vote we should lynch someone else because it would useless to vote someone that would get modkilled. The case on to GB is interesting and LOL at the caps lock he did it in GoT which was just quoted and again he did it a little bit in our last game when I was scum with him in Witchcraft. He could be scum based some of this stuff and I trust my townread on Bugs I willing to sheep him for now based on how Witchcraft went.
##Unvote
##Vote: GlowingBear

My vote actually is on someone, you must've missed my post where I say I'm really busy until the next day.
I'm not even lurking currently, I just skimmed through some pages and found your post sticking out so I want to point that out.

Note how it would be way easier for me to not say that.


I didn't catch it all I thought you didn't vote at all I guess I was blind for a little bit but anyways HF isn't going to get lynched today do you mind reading Bugs case on GB on Page 82ish and give me your thoughts on it?

Okay, I'll try. I'll be around 10 more minutes since I actually do not want to get lynched.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 18 2015 21:04 GMT
#1909
On June 19 2015 06:03 ritoky wrote:
I just want to say that regardless of who gets lynched here, if you're the cop and you don't investigate the other guy tonight....I am going to punch you in the genitalia.

Robik said he would punch rsoultin at the vagina and you saw how that worked out for him lol.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 18 2015 21:04 GMT
#1910
Day 1 Vote Count


boxerfred (6): Holyflare, GlowingBear, Breshke, rsoultin, LightningStrike, Fidei86, Damdred, NydusHerMain
GlowingBear (6): wherebugsgo, KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare, KelsierSC, boxerfred
LightningStrike (2): KelsierSC, Onegu, GlowingBear, KelsierSC, ShoCkeyy, KelsierSC
Holyflare (0): boxerfred
Onegu (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain
Lohengramm (0): VayneAuthority
ShoCkeyy (0): NydusHerMain, NydusHerMain, LightningStrike, KelsierSC
KelsierSC (0): wherebugsgo
rsoultin (0): wherebugsgo, VayneAuthority, GlowingBear, Holyflare
wherebugsgo (0): KelsierSC
Mig (0): wherebugsgo

Not voted (3): Lohengramm, ritoky, Mig

Clinging to the ledge, boxerfred hangs over the abyss.
Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

The voting thread is here.

Only votes in the voting thread will be counted.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Lohengramm
Profile Joined June 2015
43 Posts
June 18 2015 21:04 GMT
#1911
On June 19 2015 06:02 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 05:46 Holyflare wrote:
I don't feel nearly as good about bf as i do gb

On June 19 2015 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
On June 19 2015 05:06 ritoky wrote:
okay from HF's thing i remember the vanishing onegu read and the lack of follow-up on VA stuff which was kinda scummy.

any1 gonna try to convince me on BF, or is that just a wagon full of AFKs?


ok the thing is about bf is he was a major major point of contention in the last game the entire game and constantly looked scummy so now i'm getting the willies since i think gb is mafia and he was quite fucking happy to just afk on bf with his hipster only first post read and bf has promised he'd play tomorrow so i'm kindddddd of willing to let it slide

especially with this mafia gb trying to throw shit in every direction to people scum reading him and then asking loaded questions where he's prepared the worst/most fake answers ever





dunno how many times i have to requote this before i get people to unvote bf

Yeah but his posting there was quite different than his posting here.

Also, here he is coming back to the thread just before deadline to vote to save himself.

eehhhhhhhhh
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
June 18 2015 21:05 GMT
#1912
On June 19 2015 05:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 05:39 rsoultin wrote:
okay okay okay

enough

we don't need this wbg/fidei sidebar. if you're trying to get reads on each other save it for night

the time for pokes and prods and spam and shitfights is past, ne?

wbg, either your most concise post on the case against gb, please, or better yet break it down for me in short bullet format so i can see if it matches what i see when i dive gb

the other wagon is bf...and maybe ls?

main points against them if they've changed but i'm pretty sure i've caught up as it is on those two

i don't want to see any more talk right now about anyone you don't want to ACTUALLY LYNCH this day phase, and please cut out the sidebar conversations

thank you -_-


just read page 82 onward. My initial scum read of him was greatly strengthened by how he started attacking me back later, and then he slipped really hard several times. The initial read was primarily based on GB flipping his read of LS after LS claimed named VT, which I thought that a townie would not do. I also found it odd that he kept pushing low-hanging fruit like VA and despite stating that he wanted to consolidate or collaborate with me he never asked me anything or gave me any sort of real feedback on reads besides that one poke about whether I wanted to lynch VA. Anyway, from page 82 onward here's what happened.

1. GB claimed that it is antitown to not help town pare down the lynch list despite the fact that he himself was throwing reads around on multiple players. Indeed his latest case was on Breshke, someone I consider likely to be town and very unlikely to get lynched this cycle. Rather odd for GB to claim that not consolidating is antitown yet make a case on someone who's not gonna get lynched.

2. He claimed I was very willing to lynch lurkers last game, here:

Show nested quote +
Bugs you're scum because last game you were very inclined to lynch lurkers or at least tried to put pressure in them.


Which I called out as a misrepresentation of my play. In the previous game I tried to get him and LS lynched on day 1, both of whom were ACTIVE MAFIA.

3. He decided to double down on the above and I posted this in response to him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=83#1641
As you can see he quoted two sets of posts I made from the previous game in an attempt to say that I am scum here because I am not willing to lynch into lurkers. That was obviously not the case then and it's not the case now.

4. KSC's response to GB's Breshke "case" which was overall super shitty

5. VA and Shockeyy's points re: GB getting fake mad and typing in all caps as scum, with two different games as reference (last game in Witch in which myself and Shockeyy played against his scum and GoT mafia from VA)

6. HF's points and reinforcement of most of these things from his own perspective


1. eh, that's explained by him assuming that his list is The List, which that level of egocentrism is more likely town than scum, and breshke topped his list
2. his defense for this point is fine, actually, unless you're completely unwilling to lynch lurkers?
3. eh...sadly i think you both are misrepresenting each other's arguments here tbh
4. already said don't really care if gb made a bad case. he does that. nai
5. all caps he's done as town. again. nai

i'll look at hf's points

overall the strongest point is still the ls read reversal which i have yet to get to in gb's filter, but tonally he looks town to me, so the nai stuff here really just isn't...that convincing
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 18 2015 21:06 GMT
#1913
onegu, shockey, yamato, ritoky and mig with the wasted votes and a lot of people completely ignoring what i write about bf

sweeeeet
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 21:06 GMT
#1914
On June 19 2015 06:03 Mig wrote:
If I was just trying to follow thread sentiment why did I post against LS at all, why was I the first person to post calling out GB? I give my thoughts on what I see and who I think is scum. And in my experience people who are weak mafia/lurker mafia arent usually really brazen. Look at my previous game that just happened, I defended fuba for the exact same reason.



If you were calling out GB, then why aren't you voting on him now?

I didn't find your posts brazen in the slightest.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
June 18 2015 21:07 GMT
#1915
No the post LS made was brazen.

I am most likely voting GB, but I would like to hear him answer my questions first.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 21:07 GMT
#1916
On June 19 2015 05:54 Mig wrote:
I am on my phone, but got caught up

Ritoky - Guess what I dont know everyones alignment, if someone says something that looks townie to me I will say it. I didnt say that post made LS town but it made me reconsider the possibility of it. Explain to me how exactly this makes me mafia.

GB- are you voting BF because you think there is a good chance he flips scum or just to save yourself?

If the caps lock stuck isnt AI can you post an example of you doing it as town? I cant look through past games atm.


Both. I'm trying to save myself and I think boxerfred is scummy, but not as much as bugs or Breshke

I can't right now, but I've already said Christmas carol. It's the first that comes to my mind. I actually do that in all games, mostly, and I don't get why such minor fact can alter anyone's read on me.
I'm adorable.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 18 2015 21:07 GMT
#1917
On June 19 2015 06:04 Lohengramm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 06:02 Holyflare wrote:
On June 19 2015 05:46 Holyflare wrote:
I don't feel nearly as good about bf as i do gb

On June 19 2015 05:08 Holyflare wrote:
On June 19 2015 05:06 ritoky wrote:
okay from HF's thing i remember the vanishing onegu read and the lack of follow-up on VA stuff which was kinda scummy.

any1 gonna try to convince me on BF, or is that just a wagon full of AFKs?


ok the thing is about bf is he was a major major point of contention in the last game the entire game and constantly looked scummy so now i'm getting the willies since i think gb is mafia and he was quite fucking happy to just afk on bf with his hipster only first post read and bf has promised he'd play tomorrow so i'm kindddddd of willing to let it slide

especially with this mafia gb trying to throw shit in every direction to people scum reading him and then asking loaded questions where he's prepared the worst/most fake answers ever





dunno how many times i have to requote this before i get people to unvote bf

Yeah but his posting there was quite different than his posting here.

Also, here he is coming back to the thread just before deadline to vote to save himself.

eehhhhhhhhh


hey that's exactly what i said earlier but bugs shut me down it's not exactly hard if he has promised to be more active tomorrow though and is complete shit though

gb has had 48 hours to play and has actually made posts and has multiple reasons to be mafia
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
June 18 2015 21:08 GMT
#1918
Boxer you have been skimming the thread, do you have any scum reads at all? Are you also voting solely to save yourself?
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 21:08 GMT
#1919
On June 19 2015 06:07 Mig wrote:
No the post LS made was brazen.

I am most likely voting GB, but I would like to hear him answer my questions first.


Why not BF?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Lohengramm
Profile Joined June 2015
43 Posts
June 18 2015 21:09 GMT
#1920
On June 19 2015 06:06 Holyflare wrote:
onegu, shockey, yamato, ritoky and mig with the wasted votes and a lot of people completely ignoring what i write about bf

sweeeeet

I'm waiting to vote

also, your posts about BF amount to "cold feet". I actually have meta-related reasons to think he's mafia.

I have tone-related reasons to think GB might be town but also have content-related reasons to think he's mafia.

You bitching like this is not the way to push through a lynch. >_>

I am inclined to vote against you just for this kind of whiny shit.
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