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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 19:50 GMT
#1781
I want you guys calling me scum to explain this:

1) Why would I bother building a case on Breshke if boxerfred is town? I could simply just agree with Holyflare and lynch him and fuck off.

2) Why would I call out tunnelus maximus bugs as mafia, knowing he would go against me? Why drawing so much attention?

3) Why would I, as mafia, intentionally flip my reads and call people mafia instead of keeping cool blending in with possible town?

4) Why would I bother creating a lynch list and try to organise town?

5) Why would, as mafia, call LS out but NOT voting him, unless we are mafia together? But as you can see, we can't be mafia together because he is willing to lynch me out of nothing.

I want you all to answer these.
I'm adorable.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:50 GMT
#1782
On June 19 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?


he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.


i did that in response to him

Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf.
He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately
You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia
and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards.
Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps


for the initial case you have to read bugs



That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately?

GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 19:51 GMT
#1783
On June 19 2015 04:49 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


are you fucking mad i've outlined it like 4 times now


Outline a 5th. Your reasons before sounded like shit.

You are very well aware of my scum play right now and I'm DEFINETLY not playing like my scum game. It impresses me that you are thinking that I could be mafia.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 19:52 GMT
#1784
On June 19 2015 04:50 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?


he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.


i did that in response to him

On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf.
He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately
You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia
and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards.
Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps


for the initial case you have to read bugs



That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately?

GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that.


No I'm not incredibly sold. I have my doubts.

But out of the lynch list and out of my townreads choices, he is my best bet. That's why I'm voting him.
I'm adorable.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 19:54 GMT
#1785
On June 19 2015 04:50 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?


he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.


i did that in response to him

On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf.
He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately
You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia
and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards.
Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps


for the initial case you have to read bugs



That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately?

GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that.


yeh I suppose that is a fair point, I remember imperial when he made a lot of dumb cases then...

I don't know , I liked bugs case a lot
and i felt he was really misrepresenting him with that lurker bullshit.

LS lynch might still be real if GB is actually town
Zerg for Life
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 19:54 GMT
#1786
On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote:
I want you guys calling me scum to explain this:

1) Why would I bother building a case on Breshke if boxerfred is town? I could simply just agree with Holyflare and lynch him and fuck off.

2) Why would I call out tunnelus maximus bugs as mafia, knowing he would go against me? Why drawing so much attention?

3) Why would I, as mafia, intentionally flip my reads and call people mafia instead of keeping cool blending in with possible town?

4) Why would I bother creating a lynch list and try to organise town?

5) Why would, as mafia, call LS out but NOT voting him, unless we are mafia together? But as you can see, we can't be mafia together because he is willing to lynch me out of nothing.

I want you all to answer these.

I'm adorable.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:55 GMT
#1787
i will go back and re-read bugs' post. i probably turned my brain off while reading it cuz his posts tend to have that effect on me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
June 18 2015 19:55 GMT
#1788
Moderator Announcement:

I am issuing KelsierSC a behaviour warning for this post on page 85.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=85#1685

Criticising gameplay is fine, personal attacks are not. This is over the line.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 19:55 GMT
#1789
On June 19 2015 04:54 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:50 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?


he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.


i did that in response to him

On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf.
He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately
You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia
and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards.
Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps


for the initial case you have to read bugs



That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately?

GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that.


yeh I suppose that is a fair point, I remember imperial when he made a lot of dumb cases then...

I don't know , I liked bugs case a lot
and i felt he was really misrepresenting him with that lurker bullshit.

LS lynch might still be real if GB is actually town


I'm fighting this temptation of lynching LS since he has a big filter, but oh boy, that vote on me was bad.
I'm adorable.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 18 2015 19:56 GMT
#1790
On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote:
I want you guys calling me scum to explain this:

1) Why would I bother building a case on Breshke if boxerfred is town? I could simply just agree with Holyflare and lynch him and fuck off.

2) Why would I call out tunnelus maximus bugs as mafia, knowing he would go against me? Why drawing so much attention?

3) Why would I, as mafia, intentionally flip my reads and call people mafia instead of keeping cool blending in with possible town?

4) Why would I bother creating a lynch list and try to organise town?

5) Why would, as mafia, call LS out but NOT voting him, unless we are mafia together? But as you can see, we can't be mafia together because he is willing to lynch me out of nothing.

I want you all to answer these.


1) You have done absolutely no cases the entire thread and it's been 48 hours and you basically had no scum reads, I and several others had called you out for this. You were forced to make a case and it was bad as a result.

2) You have a MAJOR HABIT OF DOING THIS. Do not sit there and ask me why when in Game of Thrones YOU DID THE EXACT SAME THING TO ME WHEN YOU WERE MAFIA ROFL.

3) to appear "carefree" since someone has mentioned multiple times that you don't stick to people as mafia or whatever, the flaw is that you had little reasoning and absolutely no follow up and little care about what happened

4) lynching lurkers is the easiest cop out and YOU DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANY OF THE CASES TO LYNCH MAFIA..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5) because you suck and know he does it as town all the fucking time and you'd look terrible if he flipped named vt
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:57 GMT
#1791
On June 19 2015 02:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post

Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it


lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question.

that right?


Exactly!!!


or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum

Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy.

So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons.

On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit.

Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways.

That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum.


are you talking about this post ksc?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 19:57 GMT
#1792
On June 19 2015 04:55 Half the Sky wrote:
Moderator Announcement:

I am issuing KelsierSC a behaviour warning for this post on page 85.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/487093-mafia-in-the-himalayas?page=85#1685

Criticising gameplay is fine, personal attacks are not. This is over the line.


i mean technically it was a criticism of his gameplay

but yes I accept the warning and apologise for this, a lot of people let themselves get offended as a result.
Zerg for Life
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 18 2015 19:57 GMT
#1793
On June 19 2015 04:55 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:50 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?


he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.


i did that in response to him

On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf.
He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately
You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia
and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards.
Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps


for the initial case you have to read bugs



That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately?

GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that.


yeh I suppose that is a fair point, I remember imperial when he made a lot of dumb cases then...

I don't know , I liked bugs case a lot
and i felt he was really misrepresenting him with that lurker bullshit.

LS lynch might still be real if GB is actually town


I'm fighting this temptation of lynching LS since he has a big filter, but oh boy, that vote on me was bad.


Honestly lightning feels fucking fake as fuck to me in terms of tone and I feel like he's not angry after getting outed as pr and isn't really trying hard. W/e
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 19:58 GMT
#1794
On June 19 2015 04:57 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 02:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 19 2015 01:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 19 2015 01:36 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 01:35 GlowingBear wrote:
My wording is TERRIBLE in my latest post

Tell me if you can understand. In case you can't, I will rewrite it


lynching low activity is better than someone scummy. because if scum has a high activity they will give themselves away at some point whereas low activity is always a question.

that right?


Exactly!!!


or, you know, the fact that this is a retarded opinion if you are town and actually incredibly indicative that you are scum

Let's break it down. From a GB=town perspective first: it's not at all helpful because you eliminate entire possibilities when scumhunting and you invite scum to be more active by saying, "oh if you're more active we won't lynch you!" Townies, on the other hand, are not going to give a shit because they will continue to play like they will play and they could honestly not give a fuck what a player like you thinks. Indeed this is one of the biggest problems with using surface-level things like activity to attempt to scum hunt because you end up shooting yourself in the foot. You maybe catch the low activity scum if you are lucky or manage to use other clues to find them but it is incredibly rare that you can nail an entire team or even a significant portion of a team that way. It certainly wouldn't have worked in the game we played in together where you were scum, where all 3 scum members were active (AND YOU SHOULD FUCKING KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE TOWN) whereas town almost mislynched into some dude that was going to get modkilled anyway, and all the other lynch candidates would obviously not have flipped town like Shockey and Shining and Tubesock and whoever else was in that game and was scummy.

So, if you are town in this game GB you should stop pushing anti town things and pushing like 7 different people with no reasons.

On the other hand if you imagine this from a GB=scum perspective this is actually really great for GB scum to say this. If GB scum says we're only lynching inactives, it's easy to get town support because no one likes inactives. Reading active people is hard so it's really easy to fake scum reads on inactive players. Indeed this fits best with GB's style this game because he asserts he is "reaction fishing" when in reality this is just a thin veil to look for town sentiment. Similarly in the previous game where he was scum, GB was more than willing to let LS, his scum teammate, live on day 1 but instead he wanted to push someone like Stutters who wasn't doing shit.

Why else would he ask me whether I would lynch VA randomly yet offer none of his own thought process? This in particular is very scummy because he was the one that prodded me for not providing opinions, yet when I do he offers absolutely nothing in return! At no point did GB actually make any sort of reasonable attempt to work with me despite claiming to want to do so. Indeed, he actually undermines what I am doing by saying that I am not attempting to get town to consolidate yet being the biggest offender by far of the very things he is accusing others of doing. Lastly, the whole "we're not going to lynch actives" thing is great for his scum style because as he proved in the last game, he is a very active scum player. When pushing the idea that we shouldn't lynch active players because it's a bad idea, he's masking his own style as scum because he himself is an active scum player. It's merely a stone that he is using to knock out multiple birds at once-it's a play in his own self interest in multiple ways.

That coupled with his complete lack of reads and reasons this game pretty much confirms he is scum.


are you talking about this post ksc?


yeh and the one after

On June 19 2015 02:14 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 02:09 NydusHerMain wrote:
I want to swap this to a bw on onegu but at the same time I'm okay with a bf lynch.

@bugs what's there not to get about what gb said? He's uneasy despite being one of the voters because it's got so many people voting on it whereas no one else is really up for vote consideration in comparison.

Gonna throw this out there and see if it sticks.

##Vote: onegu

If not, I'm fine with bf regardless.


what doesn't make sense is the fact that he is uneasy about the lack of consolidation yet he does exactly what he claims is making him uneasy. He doesn't attempt to consolidate and instead his reads are constantly changing and he's adding new people he thinks are scum all the time.

e.g. why would he bother to say that he's going to write up a case on breshke? I feel if that actually gets posted it's going to derail the thread even further rather than give us any further indication on who is scum. Given that his vote is on BF I would expect him to try to convince the rest of us to consolidate on BF, because that's what he says he expects other people to be doing-consolidating.

It's also nearly impossible to know what he thinks because he refuses to work to flesh out reads despite claiming that it is what he wanted to do with me. He asked me maybe 2-3 one liner questions that ended up going nowhere because when I responded to him he gave nothing in return. That's quite odd for someone who claimed that collaboration is important in getting together a strong town day 1.

If he unvotes BF and ends up voting someone else this will pretty much prove what I'm talking about. He might OMGUS me or maybe he'll go through with his statement on Breshke but even now it doesn't appear that he was genuine about his talk about consolidation and about his talk about collaboration.

Zerg for Life
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 18 2015 19:59 GMT
#1795
On June 19 2015 04:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 03:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 19 2015 03:49 Holyflare wrote:
On June 19 2015 03:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
actually rsoultin, Mig, Breshke and HF I want to read your opinions on GB too. Maybe at least one of you will respond so I have something to work with. We have like 5 hours and I don't want to lynch either BF or LS today


Quite clearly stated i scum read him and the reasons why. Will be back in about an hour to talk about stuff.

+gb where did i ever say the mafia team was all lurkers other than a sarcastic jab at you a while ago?


care to jog my memory? I recall you posting something pointing out the consolidation thing but you can pretend I'm a goldfish for the purposes of this exercise. I just want to know that you have real opinions I can trust.

But of course if you don't wanna play we can have it your way


Well it's on my last page of filter? Pretty much pushed gb all last night. Summary is:

Hypocritical outlook on the game between you and himself
Sheeps me while expressing disdain for the sheep (game of thrones meta same)
Reads + questions that don't get followed up, aka va stuff etc (scum read on me completely vanished too)
Started to afk and not do shit
Got called out by me and still didn't do shit apart from asking me useless questions
Said boxerfed read was shit, stayed on wagon anyway because of his read on boxerfreds first post????
Randomly nitpicked ls for no reason and then gave him a town pass for stuff that ls had already done before the nitpicking
Says game is bad because no consolidation but just flat out refuses to even read cases on scummy people
did no scum hunting while complaining about no consolidation
Lurker cop out reasoning
Misrepresents you and breshke hardcore
Fake rage (game of thrones meta same)


Probably shit tonne more that i forgot but this is top of my head



this is a good reason to vote for mafia gb
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:59 GMT
#1796
On June 19 2015 04:57 NydusHerMain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:54 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:50 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?


he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.


i did that in response to him

On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf.
He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately
You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia
and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards.
Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps


for the initial case you have to read bugs



That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately?

GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that.


yeh I suppose that is a fair point, I remember imperial when he made a lot of dumb cases then...

I don't know , I liked bugs case a lot
and i felt he was really misrepresenting him with that lurker bullshit.

LS lynch might still be real if GB is actually town


I'm fighting this temptation of lynching LS since he has a big filter, but oh boy, that vote on me was bad.


Honestly lightning feels fucking fake as fuck to me in terms of tone and I feel like he's not angry after getting outed as pr and isn't really trying hard. W/e


then why are you scum reading me and onegu for wanting to lynch him?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 19:59 GMT
#1797
fuck it lets do this


##unvote

##vote Lightningstrike


Zerg for Life
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 19:59 GMT
#1798
On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote:
I want you guys calling me scum to explain this:

1) Why would I bother building a case on Breshke if boxerfred is town? I could simply just agree with Holyflare and lynch him and fuck off.


not alignment indicative. Also doesn't play to your style as mafia anyway so this is a completely moot point. Why telegraph for like 5 posts that you are ABOUT to post a case on Breshke instead of just posting it outright? We could come up with a hundred different completely null questions just like this one, none of them say anything about your alignment.

What does say a lot about your alignment is how shitty that Breshke case was, though.

WBG: 1 GB: 0

On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote:
2) Why would I call out tunnelus maximus bugs as mafia, knowing he would go against me? Why drawing so much attention?


Another alignment-null point. You called me mafia when you were scum last game, so this is obviously not alignment indicative. You've already proven that as mafia you're willing to OMGUS people, and it happens to be amazingly convenient that last game it was me.

WBG: 2 GB: 0

On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote:
3) Why would I, as mafia, intentionally flip my reads and call people mafia instead of keeping cool blending in with possible town?


Another alignment-null point. Both alignments flip their reads when they think they need to. Town do it when they think they are wrong or unlikely to be sheeped and scum do it when they think they have more to gain out of killing someone else or appearing better because they decided to go against a wagon when they know the wagon is going to result in killing a townie. And again this does not hash with your style as mafia where you can actually be very up front and confrontational, e.g. last game. "Blending in" is not necessarily a universal scum trait.

WBG: 3 GB: 0

On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote:
4) Why would I bother creating a lynch list and try to organise town?


Any scum can create a lynch list and I even pointed it out earlier in the game. One of the hallmarks of scum is providing laundry lists of "reads". You also didn't try to organise town despite saying how much you wanted it. You could've asked me lots of questions after I agreed that we should work together yet you asked me things that were apparently for "reaction testing". Instead of organising and talking to people you threw around unbased reads and never once followed through on a suspicion except when I started pushing you seriously and you decided to OMGUS me. Nice attempt at making yourself look better, though. Too bad I caught it too quickly for you.

WBG: 4 GB: 0

On June 19 2015 04:50 GlowingBear wrote:
5) Why would, as mafia, call LS out but NOT voting him, unless we are mafia together? But as you can see, we can't be mafia together because he is willing to lynch me out of nothing.

I want you all to answer these.


Oh cool, another alignment-null indicator. Sometimes mafia are unwilling to vote for people they call out because they know when they're wrong they'll take attention. So perhaps you know that you are wrong about LS and you don't want to call him out. Of course it would also look really desperate for you to switch from BF to LS on shaky and weak reasoning, particularly if you have to fabricate it, because that's really hard.

WBG: 5 GB: 0

Oh and if you actually believe BF is scum with me perhaps you should try to convince others why we should lynch BF over you, since there's 0 chance I'm going to die today and your vote hasn't moved, so I assume you're not even going to try to get me lynched. But, despite saying you want to organise town you have made no effort to organise an effort behind BF.

WBG: 6 GB: 0
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
June 18 2015 20:00 GMT
#1799
On June 19 2015 04:59 KelsierSC wrote:
fuck it lets do this


##unvote

##vote Lightningstrike



Really the case on GB is better than any case on me and when I flipped Named VT promise me you will lynch GB after.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 18 2015 20:00 GMT
#1800
damn bugs mindmeld
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