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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 19:37 GMT
#1761
On June 19 2015 04:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.

Do I really to explain more? I like Bugs case on you and you do have some similar stuff from your past games as scum simple as that.


Yes, I want you to explain more

Go deeper than that.

What do you like on bugs case? What similar stuff from past scum games?

It's easy to base your vote by saying what you're saying.
I'm adorable.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 19:37 GMT
#1762
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf.
He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately
You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia
and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards.
Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps
Zerg for Life
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 18 2015 19:37 GMT
#1763
On June 19 2015 04:35 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:34 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:33 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:32 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:30 Lohengramm wrote:
I'm going to continue to smurf for filter purposes, and because this account's name is fucking awesome. But yes, I am Yamato.

I will read filters until deadline. BF I have already read but if he's posted anything new I will give my thoughts. I will read LS closer but I really don't think he's mafia at all. As said before, I have a vague suspicion of GB but I admittedly only read like 10 pages.

For now, so I don't get modkilled after replacing in;

##Vote: boxerfred

When you get caught up full can you tell me your thoughts on Bugs case on GB please?


why?

Because I strongly believe in Bugs case on GB and their some correct meta about GB as scum sheep it to end of the day!


yes but why are you literally asking everyone the same thing?
will yamatos thoughts alter your decision in some way?

No because I strongly believe in Bugs case esp based on what happened in the last game I had played with him.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 19:37 GMT
#1764
On June 19 2015 04:36 Lohengramm wrote:
Also I literally forgot to vote earlier when I said I was going to vote. That's the ONLY reason I'm voting right now.

Jesus WBG don't fling shit for no reason.


it's not for no reason, in the context of the thread right now that vote on BF is really scummy
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 18 2015 19:39 GMT
#1765
You know we could be on two mafia. How awesome would that be
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:39 GMT
#1766
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 18 2015 19:40 GMT
#1767
On June 19 2015 04:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:35 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.

Do I really to explain more? I like Bugs case on you and you do have some similar stuff from your past games as scum simple as that.


Yes, I want you to explain more

Go deeper than that.

What do you like on bugs case? What similar stuff from past scum games?

It's easy to base your vote by saying what you're saying.

Your all cap stuff is very similar to the all cap stuff you had when I was scum with you when you tried to divert the lynch away from me and away from you in GoT too plus some of your stuff and your reaction test seemed weird too.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 19:41 GMT
#1768
On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf.
He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately
You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia
and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards.
Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps


Reading someone as town doesn't make his reads correct

What about my play looks like scum?

I totally believe in that case and I stand to those points. I've bounced your counter-arguments with counter-counter-arguments. It stopped there.

I didn't attempt to discredit and I still believe in what I wrote. He didn't try to lynch lurkers, but that wasn't the point I raised. The point I raised was that he was WORRIED about people who never dropped information in thread, and he isn't now.

The posts VA and Shockey linked are from a single game where I caps locked almost a whole page of thread. This isn't happening here. Also, you can't base that with only a scum game. If it also happens in my town games, then these points are NAI.
I'm adorable.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 19:41 GMT
#1769
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?
Zerg for Life
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 18 2015 19:41 GMT
#1770
On June 19 2015 04:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
You know we could be on two mafia. How awesome would that be

I had lost a game when we had 2 mafias on the broad Day 1 and it was depressing >.<
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 19:42 GMT
#1771
On June 19 2015 04:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:37 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:35 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.

Do I really to explain more? I like Bugs case on you and you do have some similar stuff from your past games as scum simple as that.


Yes, I want you to explain more

Go deeper than that.

What do you like on bugs case? What similar stuff from past scum games?

It's easy to base your vote by saying what you're saying.

Your all cap stuff is very similar to the all cap stuff you had when I was scum with you when you tried to divert the lynch away from me and away from you in GoT too plus some of your stuff and your reaction test seemed weird too.


Not enough. This is too superficial.

It's completely different from the all caps from GoT. I was a little lady. I'm not a little lady here.
I've got all caps in all my town games, it's NAI.

What stuff especifically is weird and why weird=mafia?
I'm adorable.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 18 2015 19:42 GMT
#1772
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


why don't you consider voting someone who has an actual chance of getting lynched today?

We have like 3 hours, pretty unlikely Mig will get lynched and I don't see any good reasons to lynch him today. LS you can try to lynch him but he's not gonna flip red, I can pretty much guarantee you that at this point.

At this point the choice is pretty clear, if you think GB is town then explain to me what makes him town, otherwise vote him. Same goes for BF I guess. While I doubt you can convince me I am always open to new revelations.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:43 GMT
#1773
On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?


he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 19:44 GMT
#1774
Holyflare, you talk to me.

You're voting me out of nothing.
I'm adorable.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
June 18 2015 19:46 GMT
#1775
On June 19 2015 04:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


why don't you consider voting someone who has an actual chance of getting lynched today?

We have like 3 hours, pretty unlikely Mig will get lynched and I don't see any good reasons to lynch him today. LS you can try to lynch him but he's not gonna flip red, I can pretty much guarantee you that at this point.

At this point the choice is pretty clear, if you think GB is town then explain to me what makes him town, otherwise vote him. Same goes for BF I guess. While I doubt you can convince me I am always open to new revelations.


On June 18 2015 16:57 ritoky wrote:
well everyone who wanted to find scum together kinda peaced out while i was gone. guess it is on me...or i could just get rid of LS.

but anywayz i went and looked at mig's filter cuz i don't know the fuck why, i just did. and this post stood out to me.

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 06:51 Mig wrote:
On June 18 2015 06:46 LightningStrike wrote:

I didn't really read his filter when I defended him honestly. I only really read his filter when Mig brought up Boxer's stuff regarding timing and failing to do promised stuff.


As terrible as this is, this actually makes me think LS is more likely to be town haha. Mafia usually arent brazen enough to come out and admit shit like this.


my imaginary awake person? hey choppa 4, why did that shit stand out to you?

yo that's a great question brochacho. because it seems like an unusual and weak reason to turn a read on a dime over. prior to this mig thought that LS was being scummy and there wasn't much of a reason to believe his claim or town read him. here he goes into great depth about it:

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote:
Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?

Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.

Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.

When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:

It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.


And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).

Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.


LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?


and expounding on it further here:

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 06:36 Mig wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 18 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 06:25 Mig wrote:
Regarding LS, why are people instantly believing his claim? What exactly has LS done to show he is town other than the claim?

Starts off with the instant attacking onegu for claiming vt, struck me as trying to make a big deal out of completely nothing. People claim VT all the time.

Follows it up with buddying up to bugs just non stop, completely plausible thing for a fishy mafia to try and buddy up to the guy who caught him last game.

When asked for his scum reads he is incredibly wishy washy
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 18 2015 02:13 LightningStrike wrote:

It's only a weak scumread right now and would like to talk to him more when he gets backs so I can confirm my read plus have others give me their thoughts and see if align with my own thoughts. Also I did have a somewhat recent game as town when I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours so therefore you logic isn't exactly a scum tell The game that I didn't have a scumread for the first 48 hours was Games of Thrones Mini recently if you want to check it out.


And ends up saying he decided to vote for shockey because other people were on him (easy way to deflect blame if shockey flips town).

Even his motto for handling rsoul is a straight copy from GB
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 18 2015 02:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Also the best rule on rsoultin is that if she gets to LYLO you just lynch her because she is more likely scum when she hits LYLO from her recent games.


LS do you actually have any original thoughts? Who besides shockey do you think is likely to be scum?


ehhhh mostly just that he has this annoying habit (the same thing onegu was talking about, as we've both explained to him why it's bad ><) of claiming at the first sign of pressure

to the point of ridiculousness (i.e. with hardly any or very few votes on him)

he did this d1 in greymist's last massive themed game just because hf and i were expressing suspicions. 2 people in a game of nearly 30 with no votes on him

i don't think i've seen him do it as scum? and i'm already townreading him for tone/meta reasons...he usually doesn't push much of anything as scum, for one...even though he knows this i kinda agree with damdy that ls seems to have a hard time (or lack motivation) to fix even the smallest things in his mafia game



I find it pretty suspect to just believe his claim because he hasn't done it as scum yet. I mean it is going to happen eventually right? Is LS just going to play for the rest of his life always claiming whenever he is a town blue? Pretty convenient that his claim happens to be a named VT also, the one blue claim he can make where he doesnt have to do anything.

Regarding pushing people, is he really pushing shockey at all? It seems more like parroting other people to me.

Tone stuff I can't really argue with, I need to read his other games.


to summarize, mig thought in regards to LS that:
1) there's no reason to instantly believe his blue claim
2) that his onegu interaction was manufactured
3) that he was buddying people
4) that he gives non-committal reads
5) follows thread sentiment onto shockkey and doesn't believe he is mafia
6) copies most of his material from other players
7) discredits all meta arguments about him doing this as town prior.

those are 7 points as to why mig thinks LS isn't town and his claim shouldn't be believed. outside of his read on GB, LS is the player he has focused on the most, yet he completely 180s the read over 1 dumb tell. someone who put enough time, research, and filter diving into making posts structured and researched in the manner you have....you really want me to believe that 1 dumb tell invalidated 7 points? i am not buying what this guy is selling here. he could very well be mafia.


there's migs' reason.

LS's reason is the entire thread.

I already said why BF can be town and I already said why GB can be town, I feel no particularly strong convictions toward either. I feel much stronger that migs is mafia and the LS will lose the game for town.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
June 18 2015 19:46 GMT
#1776
Kelsier, you're the strongest townread I have on my wagon.

Please consider me coming from town perspective and see if it couldn't happen.
I'm adorable.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 19:47 GMT
#1777
On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.

one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want.


can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote?


he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form.


i did that in response to him

On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf.
He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately
You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia
and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards.
Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps


for the initial case you have to read bugs

Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 18 2015 19:47 GMT
#1778
On June 19 2015 04:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Kelsier, you're the strongest townread I have on my wagon.

Please consider me coming from town perspective and see if it couldn't happen.


well you do stupid stuff all the time so i guess there is that.
Zerg for Life
Lohengramm
Profile Joined June 2015
43 Posts
June 18 2015 19:48 GMT
#1779
On June 19 2015 02:56 boxerfred wrote:
ok so just a short explanation on why I'm gone: I'm having my oral exam tomorrow and I currently value learning stuff higher than playing. I do have the time to post but I don't want to spend it on that :/ sorry peeps. I'll tell you if I passed or not in another 24 hours.

So apparently he posted this an hour and a half ago.

It doesn't really change what I've said about him at all, really, given that I still have the same issues with his play this game that I did before. Notably, his play in the Surprisingly Normal game is starkly different than his play this game. This game, he feels uptight, uncomfortable and also somewhat apologetic, while in surprisingly normal he was rather aggressive in tone and seemed more relaxed in the early game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 18 2015 19:49 GMT
#1780
On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.

KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:

Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me.


are you fucking mad i've outlined it like 4 times now
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