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On June 30 2015 13:18 NydusHerMain wrote: So we know for a fact that bugs was jailed on n1. If bugs is mafia, and his KP was roleblocked, mafia will be looking for a roleblocker to kill the next night. So, they will be specifically looking for people who thinks bugs is mafia because they think that the roleblocker roleblocked him because they thought he was scummy. This means that if the night kills are people who were specifically reading bugs scummy before they died, especially more on day 2 than day 1 since they'd have confirmation that roleblocking bugs resulted in reduction in kp, it makes bugs more likely to be mafia. If bugs was actually saved, then mafia doesn't know that bugs was jailed, but could also think he was medic saved so mafia night kills will be specifically hunting for someone who town reads bugs or tries to avoid him like the plague (readswise) because that would be looking for someone who thinks that they got a confirmed town. However, if bugs is mafia and his kp got blocked, they might also think that it was a jailer and consequently, could also hunt for someone who town reads bugs because they might think that it's a jailer who could think that bugs was saved. Basically, if the people who died were scum reading bugs, he's more likely to be scum, if the people who died were town reading bugs, it doesn't really mean anything but slightly leans him towards town because it's riskier for mafia to kill people town reading him even if it's a role kill. Thank you for the explanation  | ||
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You show 0 interest in wanting to solve the game, only show up to throw out one liners and don't even bother reading the thread. On June 30 2015 13:52 Onegu wrote: Like why me over Shockky? Like he is faking anger at this point to get a mislynch in lylo What is there to fake? Your play is honestly pissing me off. You're shitting on everyone elses time when you decide not to play the game. Did you sign up just to stay afk until the end? You don't even read the thread And you didn't even read the whole quote here where I even explained WHY I'm voting for you. I want to vote you because you're playing like scum, and at this point your whole attitude towards the game is terrible. Like, just read the posts I made against you and respond to what I'm actually saying. Explain your actions in a logical manner that makes your line of thought clear to everyone. On June 30 2015 15:38 Onegu wrote: Yeah and I voted with my tunneled mafia read you in Boring. So I have found the scum team. RuXxar, Shockky, Damdred. I think I get lynched now though for dropping my LS scum read... Suddenly you're accusing damdred out of thin air for what? He made 1 comment about you? You're so defensive about getting accused and unwilling to actually defend yourself with logical arguments. Instead resorting to OMGUS and making up wild scenarios that fit your world where LS is scum. You don't even bother to show up if you're not in danger. It's not hard to substantiate your claims if you actually have a REASON for doing so. How do you expect me to ever trust you as town when you give me NOTHING to work with. On June 30 2015 15:42 Onegu wrote: ruXxar because all game he has been attempting to make players look worse than they actually are, and now wanting to PLynch me in Lylo after calling me the easiest mislynch. Trying to make people look worse? You said this right after I joined the game. Please explain how I tried to make people look worse? At least I'm fucking trying to play the game and do shit, unlike you. And yeah I want to lynch you right now and if you actually READ the thread and what I've said about you, you wouldn't have a problem understanding WHY I'm voting for you. And if you still don't understand, then FUCKING ASK?!!!! How hard is that?!!!! Instead you show up with your bs "Onegu rule rekt" crap and 0 reasons for anything. Yeah, I'm not making the same mistake as my last game. I want you dead. | ||
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Vote switching day 1 + Show Spoiler + Ok, so this makes no sense at all to me: Shockey is pushing LS early day 1 due to his blue claim. Suddenly he wants to lynch rsoultin, but isn't scumreading rsoultin. On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote: In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. Then he makes his list post, notice the people not on it: On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote: town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler + On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote: I see I have been ninjaed. Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died. The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically. GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA. What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding. His next post is this: On June 19 2015 02:04 ShoCkeyy wrote: BF's is fucking weird, I'll admit that. He keeps saying he'll be back, he's going to give reads, but nothing comes out other than attacking Holyflare, but it's not enough to make me change my mind on my LS push. GB is still null for me, still hasn't read my filter and given me a response, if it keeps going ignored, he's just going to keep dropping into my scum lean. Followed up by these 2: On June 19 2015 05:42 ShoCkeyy wrote: GB can you stop completely ignoring my questions and stop ignoring the read I asked to do of me? And don't tell me it's because I have a small filter (wtf kind of logic is that). Tell me why I shouldn't vote for you? On June 19 2015 06:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: Ok this is twice I've been ignored. Just going to park my vote here until 10mins before lynch time. Let's see what happens. ##unvote ##vote GlowingBear So instead of actually pursuing the scumreads on his list. He ended up voting on GB for what? Being ignored? But wait, we're not done yet: On a whim, he suddenly switches to Boxerfred! Why? On June 19 2015 06:55 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright fine, let's see how this goes. ##unvote ##vote Boxerfred So wait, why exactly did you switch to BF? Nowhere do you mention these reasons before the flip. It's easy to make up facts after hand to support your actions. On June 19 2015 09:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: Sorry guys, was driving/eating dinner, going to catch up. I saw BF flipped town. So brings me back to this: You bitch about me switching to GB, then now bitch about me switching off, which one did you want? I switched to GB due to reasons mentioned. I would of stayed there, but BF's filter was scummy too. BF disappears before vote ended while GB kept defending himself, which made me second guess the vote and I switched to BF. So wait, the reason you ACTUALLY switched to BF was because you believed in your "scumread" GB's reasons? On June 20 2015 01:23 ShoCkeyy wrote: Just wanted to throw this out there, GB you've been saying I'm scum since the beginning in like in every game we have played together, you constantly attack me just cause. You don't even have a real reason as to why I am scum this game, you just say I am. Now I want you to think about the logic behind my vote switch. You say that the game is based on the biggest filter which I repeatedly asked you to give me a good explanation here and quite multiple times. "Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?" I need you to realize, I had the voting power to either lynch you or BF. I lynched BF because I based my response out of your stupid thought of having the biggest filter to not lynch D1 and his slight scum posts but what happened? We lynched a town, if you were pro town, why did you switch to me, the "new" lynch train? Why didn't you just stay on LS or switch to BF from the get go? Why were you second guessing who to vote? As soon as I voted you, you instantly switched to me, then I switch off you switched off. More on his reason for vote switching day 1: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2015 00:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: 1) I associated his way of playing the game which is basing it on the biggest filter - didn't work out too well On June 21 2015 00:58 ShoCkeyy wrote: Seems like an easy way to throw away responsibility for your voting.No, I never said I didn't think he was mafia when I vote switched. I gave him the benefit of the doubt due to meta. He himself claims that he doesn't like lynching the biggest filters on D1. So I tried what he normally does and it didn't work out well... From the adamant way you didn't believe that the longest filter meant anything, I don't see why you would actually use that reason for switching your vote. On June 17 2015 22:51 ShoCkeyy wrote: Alright going to try and get this going here. I don't get why people care so much about activity? It's been known since this forum even started that people lurk and will always lurk. I can't be posting all day and night as some others here cause I own four businesses + consult major businesses. I use mafia as a past time and can post when I have free time. If you like my activity great, if you don't sucks for you. At least I try and help the town win rather than post non-sense and spam up the thread On June 17 2015 23:12 ShoCkeyy wrote: You call that spam, but people say "I don't like shockeyy's activity". Well that's why my activity sucks in every game I play. Then you call that spam? But fail to look at people like rsoul, who already have 7+ pages of filter and most of it is crap. To me that seems like they're trying to hide their mistakes with constant posting. Just read the fight between her and wbg. She completely ignores him until the lynch train happened. It just seems odd. On June 19 2015 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote: What? Why? I based my day 1 on whole thread and the interactions that happen between players. How can you see what's going on if you're only doing the biggest filters. On June 18 2015 13:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: This is why you have the biggest filter in the game. You just spam bullshit. The actual reason for voting GB: + Show Spoiler + Oh, so it was not because you were being ignored? Okay... On June 21 2015 06:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: When I voted for you which was the reason for me coming back 10mins before vote ended to change my vote. I wanted to see how you handled the pressure vs how Boxerfred did, boxer didn't come back and I gave you the benefit of the doubt due to D1 big filter that you go by, he also had scummier posts in my eyes. His vote switching day 1 seems all over place. He doesn't stick to 1 story and tries to push the blame onto GB by saying he followed GB's "stupid idea" of not voting for the longest filter. Besides, you didn't even believe in that argument for all of day 1?! How can you come back after the vote and claim that you actually believed in it. Every time you get asked about it, you change your story. I can't see a clear line of thinking from A to B to C. It's such a defensive and "cover all my bases" stance, that It strengthens my scumread on shockey. And here's the best part, I almost can't believe this: On June 25 2015 11:57 ShoCkeyy wrote: I'm sorry GB, I help save you day 1 - but business called for day 3 :\ Next game! On June 25 2015 20:49 ShoCkeyy wrote: I was being literal when I said business called. I was in a full day meeting which killed any time I had to actually post anything and will do the same today. This will be my last and final post until the weekend when I actually have time to read, but at this point, you guys are just terrible. If it wasn't for me day 1 lynched our DT would of been dead, the day I can't be around to help defend our DT you noobs go and lynch him. Yeah.. no. I want this guy dead too. | ||
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On June 30 2015 21:41 Fidei86 wrote: Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end. Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play. I can't buy this excuse. Onegu is playing EXACTLY like Sulfurus(a scum in my last game). That was my newbie game(first game) and it was Sulfurus second game I think. Well turned out people actually went and read Sulfurus meta from his first game. And he played EXACTLY the same way in both games. Guess what, in the first game he was actually town, so it only strengthened my belief in him being "shitty town". But you know what, that was his plan all along. He was emulating his town meta to throw people off. I bought into it like the fool I was. I'm not going to base my reads on meta. I'm going to base it on what they do in the game. And in this game, onegu is playing like scum. | ||
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On June 30 2015 21:41 Fidei86 wrote: Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end. Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play. At this point, I just want to see him make a defence of himself that actually makes me believe he is town. If he truly is town, he needs to light a fire under his ass and start explaining. | ||
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On June 30 2015 21:41 Fidei86 wrote: Ruxx - I think you're town here. I was in the last game with Onegu and he played exactly the same as he has here (more or less). I wanted to lynch him at lylo too, but I realised (as you did) that we shouldn't end this game on a coin flip. If he's town, which I think he is, then he'll start giving a shit once it gets much closer to the end. Next game I say we policy lynch him at the start. But this game, I don't think that's the play. Tell me your thoughts on how you think we should approach this fidei. | ||
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On June 30 2015 23:19 Fidei86 wrote: @Ruxx I say we lynch HF, then Damdred, and then whoever's left can decide whether or not the last lynch is Shockkey or Onegu. I'll be long dead by that point anyway. Now that you mention it, damdred does seem to be deflecting off HF a bit. But he does bring up a good point in that we do need to find the rest of the mafia as well. I'm still torn on damdred. I tried lynching HF, but apparently people aren't willing to vote for him. I already presented all the arguments I can about scenarios and whatnot, so I don't have anything more to contribute on that front. I'd be happy with either a HF, Onegu or Shockey lynch today. | ||
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On June 30 2015 23:56 ShoCkeyy wrote: But you know I why don't think your mafia? Cause of this: I'm not going to keep defending myself when I know I'm town and if I get mislynched it's game over. I rather continue looking for scum and put out better thoughts, which I have been doing - better than our current lurkers, cough onegu cough. You don't think I'm mafia because of this? What if I was the shot carrier that got JK'd? That's not conclusive evidence that I'm town. | ||
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On July 01 2015 00:03 ShoCkeyy wrote: Also you need to realize, if I was mafia, why would I save GB day one if I was mafia? He was able to figure out that Mig was mafia for day 4 lynch? Like please use logic. GB even knew I was town and that's cause we've played three games in a row already, he obviously knows my meta already - where LS keeps trying to push my lynch with no reasons behind it and also voted for GB even though Rsoul said not to. LS even says he can't figure out my meta, but it's obvious that I'm town. Now let's look at Onegu who pushed LS up until Day 4. He's obviously scum, he's pointing out obvious town is the scum team, like what kind of shit is that? I don't believe for one second that you saved GB because you believed he was town. Like, you only switched your vote when people actually called you out for voting on him. And you give like 3 different reasons for switching your votes. Some of them you didn't even believe in, you just went along with them because "you wanted to try it out". Then you shift the blame away from yourself because hey "It was GB's stupid idea, not mine!" And then you have the gall to show up and lecture us because you "saved" GB, as if you were fighting for his innocence day 1? Give me a break. You're just trying to make yourself look good by taking credit in retrospect. | ||
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On July 01 2015 00:36 ShoCkeyy wrote: I actually believed GB was more town than Boxerfred at that moment, what's the problem? I helped save our DT and you're trying to call me out as scum because of it? Like seriously? And I wasn't fighting for it day 1, I actually contributed to reasons why he could be scum, but he helped me make the decision much easier when he continuously defended himself and I took into consideration his POV of the biggest filter. Multiple reasons helped me decide why not to lynch GB, if you're not happy with that, then I don't know what else to tell you. "More town than" does not equal "town". Right now I think you are more town than onegu by a slight hair of margin. Doesn't mean that I think you're town. You would've been happy to lynch either of them, and it was quite apparent by the way you were switching votes. And why did you take into consideration his biggest filter argument when you actively argued that biggest filter doesn't mean anything? | ||
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On July 01 2015 00:54 Fidei86 wrote: Or they're misguided town and mafia? And I use the term 'misguided' loosely, since obviously if you are mafia you have played very well indeed to get this many people to misread you :-) I'm not moving my vote, and I urge everyone else to please do your duty and vote on the red check. How confident are you in this fidei? Because I'm also pretty confident in lynching onegu or shockey today. | ||
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On July 01 2015 00:59 Fidei86 wrote: it's not WIFOM, it's a matter of simple statistics. You are far more likely to be mafia, on a percentage basis, than you are to be either the miller or framed. We obviously don't even know if there is a miller or a framer, let alone have anything to suggest it might be you who is unlucky enough to be caught by one of them. This is exactly the argument that I brought up earlier, but people don't seem to think that statistics is worth anything. | ||
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It doesn't erase the fact that you have a red-check on you. I'm probably never going to get past that. However, as has been said, it's better to lynch the scummier targets first. And after delving more into onegu and shockey they have soared up as scummier targets in my mind. | ||
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No interest in solving the game after we've requested multiple times that town should not stay silent if they do want to win. In onegu I see a mess of logic that goes nowhere, it's like he's lost out on the prairies somewhere. Doesn't even read the thread or seem to comprehend where things are going. In shockey I see wishy washyness, little activity, little will to solve the game, and statements that seem altered in posterity to make him look better. Both of them seem super content in letting us dance our little dance of "who's mafia" without contributing and ounce unless they are in danger when they show up with their one liners, strawman defenses and whacky theories. | ||
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On July 01 2015 01:33 Holyflare wrote: so all logic and play dictates that i'm town and there have been multiple games where millers have been checked by cops and they don't get voted off or called mafia because of it but in this one game it's ok to forgo everything you think and follow it? is that what you're really saying to me? Listen, this is only my second game play mafia on TL. I don't have this vast meta library of games to draw experience from in how likely or unlikely a miller is. All I did was look at the 1st page, see the potential list roles, look at how many people are in the game, and determined that it by some arbitrary(yes) math and assumptions is a very low chance that the red check on you is false. By your own words you don't believe that you were framed. So the only chance is that you're miller. However, this does not mean that all hope is lost for you, it just stacks it heavily in your favor. Right now my scum list is in order : Onegu Shockey You This is momentary. It does not mean you are stuck on that list until the end of time. It means you are there until I find a 3rd person that by some arbitrary measure of my own would qualify as a more likely mafia than your red-check attributes to you. At the moment I haven't found that person yet. What we have to face though, is that we HAVE to lynch scum today. I don't think people seem to realize the consequences of that just yet. Which is WHY i went through the effort of actually looking through Onegu's play, looking through Shockey's play and have determined that they are BETTER lynches than you today. | ||
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So you see how I can't just go on my own and vote for my preferred scum. | ||
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On July 01 2015 01:38 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I think maybe our best lynch is to lynch Shockeyy and here's why: Onegu is known to be terrible as town and his tunnel on me is kinda like he did in Assassination where I lynched him out of spite if I recalled correctly. Also I think it was Rux who made a case on Shockeyy which pretty much summed up what I been saying a little about Shockeyy. Even though Shockeyy had posted more this game than all his games in the database this is also a very large post number game so it could be inflated because of it. Also since all of the people who were night killed did scumread Shockeyy that could be a reason as to why they were killed other than VA being the claimed Jailkeeper(Like seriously why did scum decided to kill Rsoultin over a claimed Jailkeeper that was bad play by scum seriously -_-). I will lay my hammer on Shockeyy today. ##Vote: ShoCkeyy I don't like the fact that you're basing your townread on onegu off meta. I tried using that approach in my last game and it only ended up shooting me in the foot. I'd rather lynch onegu than shockey at this point, but I feel better about a shockey lynch than a HF lynch. At least shockey showed up at said a couple words, even though I find it lackluster. I want onegu to show up and defend himself so that I'll get convinced that he's a worse lynch than Shockey. If he doesn't show up I'll take that as an admission of guilt and hope to vote him out as #1 scum. Why don't you join me in pressuring onegu to defend himself? | ||
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so I gave a quick post before reading
if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol
