On June 17 2015 11:26 GlowingBear wrote: Like, Bugs, I want first to actually form a read on you. And for that I need to know how you're approaching the game.
Opinions on other players, for example, help me with that.
I wouldn't lynch her day one solely for activity. So talking about her NOW is a waste of time.
And talking ABOUT you is also. But talking WITH YOU is important to me. I think we have much better targets.
This fight between you two actually feels very weird.
So let me get this straight. You want me to provide you reasons, and opinions. Which I certainly will, but right now I'm just not that interested in throwing around reads on people because it's a bit too early. This all is fine.
You, however, don't find it odd that rsoultin is NOT doing exactly what you want me to do? Why the double standard here? If I am to take what you said at face value you seem to want to ignore rsoultin, but why? What difference does it make waiting it out? People said the same shit about LS last game and he flipped scum day 1. She hasn't contributed anything and in her responses to me and ritoky it certainly doesn't seem like she is going to contribute anything any time soon. That's not indicative of her being town and to me that makes her the best lynch right now.
Because as I said I don't care for her and I want to form a read on you so I can know if I can work with you or not.
Your reads were good last game. Help me identify townies?
And stop saying I'm bad when you have no fucking grasp of what I'm talking about. I don't get why you cannot NOT be a prick. Geez.
as I said already I'm not interested in divulging my reads right now, it's too early for me to divulge town reads. However you can read my response to breshke re Damdred if you're really interested in some of my other thought processes right now
I've read it. It's just about Damdred, though.
This is the damning part of your gameplay here. You're not reacting to EVERY weird posts. You're reacting to rsoultin and questions directed solely to you, ONLY.
since you want to know why I call you dumb, this is pretty much it.
I am not responding to other posts because there is nothing of value to respond to. I am looking at other players but it makes no difference to me right now because it is not even halfway into day 1 and none of those reads at this time matter for anything.
Right now I can't tell whether you are purposely being obtuse as scum or if you are town and you just legitimately didn't pay enough attention to my play last game. To refresh your memory, this is how I play day 1. I firmly believe that players should refrain from throwing reads into the mix when they do not have enough information because it gives scum the opportunity to influence them and react to them before they are validated. Last game you can see this in my play when I rather abruptly shifted from tunneling you to tunneling your teammate LS. At that juncture I had enough people telling me that you were town that I started looking for alternate possibilities while still attacking you (because I wasn't fully convinced otherwise).
That effort paid off in the end and at no point did I want to lynch anyone other than LS that day. Given how much resistance I took then it was the right decision, and commenting on other players would've likely ruined my reads.
Now obviously that game is different and I got quite mad and posted my spreadsheet kinda late into the day but I was really desperate for people to listen to me on LS. Here I kinda am feeling a similar situation in which I really believe rsoultin is scum but I am not getting any support for it.
Let me tell you something: Calling people bad without good reasoning makes people not wanting to support you because your read is shit anyway. You're the one who comes to the thread and say O HAI PEOPLE TELL ME WHO IS GOOD AND HOW THEY PLAY SO I CAN FORM READS BASED ON IDENTITY and then people tell you THE THINGS YOU'RE SAYING THAT RSOULTIN IS SCUM FOR IS NOT ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE FOR HER and what is your answer? WHARRGARBL RSOULTIN SCUM I WON'T TALK ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.
Nothing of value? Like the list post I've made? They have reasoning. You can help me talking about that reasoning. But you decide not to. You prefer to keep going against rsoultin.
I'd rather lynch both of you now because all you're doing is shitting the thread. I'm sick of coming back to here and see a discussion that will lead nowhere.
On June 17 2015 12:04 Holyflare wrote: bugs outline your main gripes in concise bullet point format rsoul answer them in concise bullet point format
1. The responsibility deflection was the first thing that caught my eye-rsoultin's first post in the game in which her comment on LS came off to me like she didn't want to commit too strongly one way or another on LS because doing so would cement her in that position. It's something I find scum do so they can give off the air that they have reads but in reality they are setting themselves up for the possibility of swinging the other way later.
On June 17 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote: ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/
lol so angry rit
wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing gettin' that too big for the thread feel from your posts, dude...
badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh
i like damdy
tone, yay! \o/
oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP
In this post she comments on several players but none of the reasons are very specific at all. I would be interested in knowing what this apparent metaread on onegu is now but I doubt she'll give anything forth given how hard she fought not to provide any reasons for the damdred read. A lot of these things come across as faked, or they are just surface-level things like the "lol so angry rit" which really doesn't do anything except give us the impression that rsoultin is doing something.
in terms of certainty, and no, not all are strong, and no i haven't explained all of those anything else is leans
The bolded to me is very interesting because it shows that she cares about how her reads come off. As a townie you know if you haven't explained something and if you list a read without an explanation you can just explain it when someone asks you. In fact this is a fairly good thing to do and lots of people do it all the time. However here it is as if she is anticipating someone asking her for an explanation and this is her way of shadowing that she will not explain them. What town motivation does a player have for doing that?
Finally her responses to me when I tried to get her to elucidate the LS and damdred reads were both literal rehashes of her original post, and that brings me to point #2
2. Despite the amount of times she has posted, she continues to go in circles and doesn't actually progress anywhere. So for example she says this:
On June 17 2015 08:27 rsoultin wrote: -rolls around the thread-
hihihihi
ls town but not town cause i'm bad about wrongly reading him town yay! i feel safer when others do it too, though! \o/
lol so angry rit
wbg eh...bresh may be right on the ego thing gettin' that too big for the thread feel from your posts, dude...
badumdum what else caught my eye in a scan worth commenting on? oh
i like damdy
tone, yay! \o/
oneg...can wait. not sure why he was the focus for so long lol >< i've got a semi-decent metaread i may break out later on him but it requires some actual posting xP
what does that even mean
you know the part that came after the part you bolded? it explains it ^^ cool, yeah?
so do you actually think he is town or not?
oh this is gonna be fun ^^ let me break it down
i think ls is town the "not town" part is my way of saying take it with a grain of salt BECAUSE (and this is the best part cause i love explaining myself five times) i have a tendency to townread him even when he's scum HOWEVER others who are better at reading him (i.e. damdy) also say town
so i'm more comfortable with the read than i otherwise would be
^ the best part is all of that was in a much more concise package originally ^^
okay.
can you tell me what you like about Dam?
he's my pretty hubby ^^ with the sexy accent
lol ><
actually, it's tonal. i don't generally qualify my tonereads cause they mean nothing to anyone but me anyway. best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^
So here she says she doesn't generally qualify her tonereads because they apparently mean nothing to anyone but her...
First of all, if that's true, why would she ever bother putting a toneread in the thread if it doesn't mean anything to anyone but her? That's basically admitting she's only doing it for brownie points.
aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused-
narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know
when you're done copping out I might consider unvoting you.
however, you can just ask LS how hard I will tunnel you to death. And right now I can guarantee you will flip red once I'm done.
Can you not tunnel for a minute and give thoughts on other players?
nope
give me a good reason we shouldn't lynch rsoultin. You could also comment on the post I just made on her motivations as well. Do you think she has a town motivation this game? What makes you think yes/no?
respeeeeectfully instead of calling you what i normally would
do you have the faintest clue who you're even dealing with? do you know how i post? have you read all of my filter/posts? i highly doubt it. you seem intelligent enough to actually understand the meaning behind words, despite your behavior thus far
and once you realize how blindingly wrong you are, kindly comment on someone who actually has a chance in hell of being scum ^^ thanks
you.
I don't need to go further. You don't qualify any of your posts with reasons, so why should I bother? I have read your entire filter despite your pathetic attempts to paint me as not reading. Here's a hint: when you try to fake being angry at someone for not reading, perhaps you should point out exactly what they missed. Too bad there was nothing to miss because my posts were literal quotes of yours. How could I have missed something when there wasn't anything to miss?
It's like literally the dumbest cop out ever. I point out how you have not qualified your reads with reasons and the response is literally "nuh uh you're not reading here's my reason" with a quote or paraphrase of the thing I pointed out in the first place. It's like you want us to go in circles instead of progressing anywhere--I wonder which side wants to do that, hmm?
can you tell me how my reason was not a reason, wbg? i'm on the edge of my seat
a "toneread" is not a reason.
it's like saying "I think he is town because he talks like town".
What the hell does that even mean
did i or did i not EXPLAIN my toneread, which is QUALIFYING it?
what to you is not a reason about saying that he posts more fluidly as town than scum?
i don't generally qualify my tonereads cause they mean nothing to anyone but me anyway. best simple way to describe it to the uninitiated is fluidity...he's one stiff mofo as scum ^^
did i or did i not EXPLAIN my toneread, which is QUALIFYING it?
what to you is not a reason about saying that he posts more fluidly as town than scum?
The best part is that she admits that she doesn't qualify her tonereads because they don't mean anything to anyone except her. This is first of all an excuse in itself for not providing a reason in the first place, and it doesn't make sense because if the read doesn't mean anything to anyone then why post it all?
Secondly she goes ahead and does "explain" it which I don't know how you can call it that. It's literally saying "I think he is town because he sounds town."
Then later she says "didn't I explain my toneread?" No, she copped out of explaining it. When I demanded an example she just dumped a link to a game instead of actually making any sort of effort to prove that she legitimately believed what she said she did.
aw cutie, you're not reading me at all if you think i don't have reads -amused-
narratives bore me. when you're done writing fairytales, let me know
Which again is a rehash of what she said earlier about me not reading...okay, fine, but as you can see in the post I just quoted, she literally doesn't have any reads!
She said herself that she has five townreads, the following people:
BUT that everything else is "leans" and not all of these are strong. She also admitted that she didn't explain (at least some) of these reads. Sounds to me like she doesn't have any reads.
So how exactly am I failing to read her here? She simply says that to discredit me. Townies don't do that and they don't contradict themselves so blatantly or misrepresent themselves either.
good lord i don't feel like dealing with this today -_-
fine
1. the LS read - i get him wrong a lot. that i said he was town at all this game toward the beginning was anything BUT a responsibility deflection. i simply gave it the weight it deserved. if i'm not good at reading him, i don't want people taking my read on him as gospel, but it IS the way i'm reading him right now
2. the damdred read - i feel that my toneread on damdred based on the fluidity of his posts is good enough. you do not. enough said. i stand by that read
3. the five townreads - reading my filter you would find that i've given reads on ls/damdred and have not on the other three. i refused to give a reason for fidei. no one bothered to ask about anyone else. i was being facetious since i was already being accused of not having a reason for one of the players that i did have a reason on
breshke - we think ridiculously alike when he's town. the fact that he's saying things that already resonate with me plus knows exactly what i'm talking about while being obscure means he is most likely town. breshke is slow to make reads but his posts are especially insightful. i love playing with him
gb - he has a tendency of going every which way as town. he knows that he does this (but i doubt he can help himself...and know that he's bad at replicating it as scum) the longer the thread went on, the more difficulty he seemed to have focusing on just one thing. while he can tunnel as town, i've only seen this level of disorganization from town gb
ls - the read basically mimics damdy's so i felt no need to repeat it
damdy - his style is interesting. he used to not post much and just come in with a case on a scumread late in the day phase, but he got pushed so often for it (and he gets highly frustrated at being scumread as town) so then he started offering weaker reads early. if you actually cared to look at the game i linked, he came in with an immediate scumread on team mate gb in that game, to the exclusion of pretty much all else, and even made the mistake of townreading someone for reaching the same conclusion as him with completely opposite reasoning. and yes, to me his posting seemed very stiff. i was scumreading him most of d1/n1 until i derped like an hour before i was nk'd -_-
my reads are because i know the players. meta-wise and tone-wise. it's personal to me, and no, i don't expect everyone else to get it, nor is there a real need to overexplain townreads when they're not getting lynched unless stubborn people keep insisting on it
next time ask -_- if it's not repeating myself i'm usually very forthright
as for VA...i've seen what he's capable of, but i also know how lazy he can be so i'm hesitant to vote him. he's scummy and being useless with the posts going nowhere and the opportunistic vote on a townie (assuming it made it to the vote thread) however i wouldn't put it past him to just want to lynch me for getting him mislynched last game as scum >>
the reasons i don't like hf are in the thread. he says it's a shit metaread, and on the surface perhaps it is. however it is undeniable that a scum hf tends to have very shallow reasons for scumreading people and be less forceful/proactive. there may or may not be another reason i distrust him right now
i also feel that ksc's posting is off, but i'm not as familiar with him. if he's not masons with hf, there was absolutely no reason to townread hf at the point where he said he'd just sheep whatever hf did. i don't like that any more than i like his push on ls based on reasons that don't make ls scum
On June 17 2015 12:53 rsoultin wrote: the reasons i don't like hf are in the thread. he says it's a shit metaread, and on the surface perhaps it is. however it is undeniable that a scum hf tends to have very shallow reasons for scumreading people and be less forceful/proactive. there may or may not be another reason i distrust him right now
i was reading and retaining the information in your post, then i got to this. i forgot everything and said what the fuck out loud.
seriously? what is with this denial of information shit going on in this thread? you all like wooooo lookie me, i got a secret. if you have a scum read then say it.
i've given more than enough reasons to distrust hf, ritoky
i wouldn't even lynch him over ksc or va right now, but he's not a townread for me, and believe it or not i actually do usually townread him early when he's town
oh that reminded me something about onegu bugs asked
btw gb i'm not sure on bugs...he's a scumlean at most. i don't like the tunnel but i still can't decide if it's genuine or not cause i don't know him from adam
the onegu metaread as i said earlier when i first mentioned it requires him to post more. if i say anything else about it now he can tailor his play to it. surely you can understand that, bugs -_-
On June 17 2015 13:06 rsoultin wrote: oh that reminded me something about onegu bugs asked
btw gb i'm not sure on bugs...he's a scumlean at most. i don't like the tunnel but i still can't decide if it's genuine or not cause i don't know him from adam
the onegu metaread as i said earlier when i first mentioned it requires him to post more. if i say anything else about it now he can tailor his play to it. surely you can understand that, bugs -_-
I think this is possibly the towniest thing you've said so far
but on a scale of 1 to 10 it's still about a 2
Well, at least you doubled your score
did you read my response to your case at all? this is not an accusation; i genuinely want to know
On June 17 2015 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote: I think the first half was pretty pointless (more or less yet another rehash) but the second half was a bit interesting.
well whenever you feel like not lynching a town, feel free to unvote me
On June 17 2015 13:14 Breshke wrote: Also rso it is so fucking townie if you asked me about Bugs in an obscure way specifically to get a read off of me I thought you were just doing it for the lols.
<3
noir was ridiculous >< i needed to be more proactive with you this time lol
On June 17 2015 13:15 Damdred wrote: Well HF here's the thing, generally you do a lot of things early to stimulate discussion I do see the point RS makes in that regard and you don't do it all the time however. But either way its not alignment indicative and well lets be honest you are a scary person to read d1 usually.
I just don't care if ik wrong on you till later or better players catch you lol.
But besides that I don't think its alignment indicative that RS pushed on you for doing nothing, I wanted to push on you to to engage. It happens you are engaged I think you are town. Which I'm glad of currently.
Rs is always stubborn and bangs her head against the brick wall when people come against her like this, especially as town not usually as scum as she's generally a bit more accompdating. In fact she somewhat did the same thing in ippo mafia when people called her out for a few reasons like attitude etc., shit fights galore.
I think it is alignment indicative that RS is acting like this and she's town.
besides that her reads come from a pretty safe place where her scum reads would be a bit more... Strange if that makes sense, its hard for me to quantify like this, but for instance when I gave a read on people instead of being like. Damdred could be scum but this person is town for his read. She's seperatly evaluating people to their own merit. Sadly I won't be able to use this point again but it is what it is.
On June 17 2015 13:20 Holyflare wrote: and damdred i literally just showed that not to be the case (that i actually don't do stuff - especially as she was pushing me after 1 post ^^) but yeh the rest of it i have no problems with
hey, you
i'm town
unvote me
find scum
a message from your friendly neighborhood rsoul ^^
even if i'm wrong i'm just WRONG, and none of what you're saying makes me scum any more than what bug's saying makes me scum
On June 17 2015 13:20 Holyflare wrote: and damdred i literally just showed that not to be the case (that i actually don't do stuff - especially as she was pushing me after 1 post ^^) but yeh the rest of it i have no problems with
hey, you
i'm town
unvote me
find scum
a message from your friendly neighborhood rsoul ^^
even if i'm wrong i'm just WRONG, and none of what you're saying makes me scum any more than what bug's saying makes me scum
On June 17 2015 13:26 Holyflare wrote: yes but the fact the game started without him being replaced means he had to have confirmed his pm in like the last 30 mins before the game started and then just did nothing
...
lol that's a good point, i didn't think about the confirmation timing
On June 17 2015 13:26 Holyflare wrote: yes but the fact the game started without him being replaced means he had to have confirmed his pm in like the last 30 mins before the game started and then just did nothing
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lol that's a good point, i didn't think about the confirmation timing
super duper awesome lazy would lynch list of lazyness, GO!
hey >> not a mind reader lol
nh take fidei off otherwise...ignoring your spoilered ones presently...the unspoilered ones are fine with me otherwise
so, putting this out here on the chance that oneg is being especially lazy as town...if you give me nothing to read you by i'll assume this is the scum game you chose to break meta with <3
On June 17 2015 12:48 ritoky wrote: goddamn feels like someone pissed in half the thread's cheerios this morning. so much useless shitfighting; pretty sure my eyes have glazed over at half of bugs' posts cuz it is just him picking a fight over the most minute stuff.
then again hf kinda agrees with him, so maybe i should actually go read it.
reading is good, my troll
dunno why you keep calling me a troll and ignoring my posting, beliebe it or not i actually have le content in le posts
choppa 4 reporting.
I'm not ignoring you! I just think your posts are funny
i do what i can to please my fans.
to all the alakaslams of the world out there. this one goes out to you
dafuq LOL
i raise your alakaslam with chezinu
also i skipped every post that was quoting another post didnt read any of it
EPT
