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On June 13 2015 05:29 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. Did you look at this post at all? He's commenting about things that don't really matter in a way that he's seemingly had some interesting thought on it. He asks a question that's essentially a statement. He meanders through potentially interesting topics while giving no opinion on anything. Then he plays the dumbtell card. It's a big post that literally offers nothing while commenting on things in a way that confer a formed opinion. It almost can be boiled down to: "I've been thinking about this game, but I won't really comment on it at all. What do you guys think about this random stuff?" I don't see even newer town players do that often.
And as I said it's precisely this that makes me think it's unlikely to come from scum. There are some good scum ways to play the newbie town card, and this certainly isn't one of them in my opinion.
I'm out for now. A bunch of you need to be useful while I'm gone.
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On June 13 2015 05:30 Sulfurus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:12 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 04:37 Sulfurus wrote:@geript That's good that you no longer scum read Moosy but Bats hasn't made the same realization you have and you townread two of the people voting on him. So what do you think of him? I'd rather lynch you. You just completely avoided my question. What do you think of Bats? @Wave ruXx makes a good case on him here and I would probably have my vote on him if it weren't for the fact that he played similar to this as town in the last newbie game. Essentially more thought needs to be put in before he gets bandwagoned.
On June 13 2015 05:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like I gotta say Sulfurus I have no idea where you're at right now and I also have no idea what your goals are in your few posts. And that's not good.
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On June 13 2015 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Went through geript's filter. His move off moosy and onto sulfurus was weird to me. He just said "id rather lynch you" in this thread, then voted in the other thread, and hasn't mentioned it at all. strange.
Why is that weird
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On June 13 2015 06:29 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 06:26 geript wrote:
Newer players. Here's a hint. Just because someone isn't posting, doesn't make it malicious. People have real lives and we aren't all artificial intelligences perusing the interwebs and spending time doing random things like playing mafia on the interwebs. Being not around =/= being mafia in an of itself. It's an ok reason to supplement actual reasons for finding someone to be mafia. But in and of itself being not around doesn't make people mafia. Oh yeah I forgot about that. All the people who were saying that you leaving the thread was scummy are wrong. I think wave was one of them; the other stuff he said was okay though.
Never said that, in fact I think I said that it doesn't mean anything.
Also Geript that's rude as shit.
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Like I might be a little insulted actually. Go look at my post history and show me the 'other areas' I post.
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On June 13 2015 06:37 geript wrote:
Didn't you used to post a bunch in the league area? Like I'm pretty sure that Damdred is ~5 games of you. Like he's had huge Waves of activity while you've been taking a break.
Besides, we both know that despite both of us having a bunch of experience we're both way better as mafia than as town. As town we both tend to meander more than carry.
Yes but saying I'm not experienced is basically a lie.
I can call myself shit but nobody else can
/ego bruised
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On June 13 2015 08:27 batsnacks wrote:
I might have to switch to sulfur this is ridiculous.
Sad part is I agree with this
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On June 13 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote:
I kinda think bats is town though.
I need to be on a comp to explain I think he's a horrible lynch
Still on phone atm but I'm feeling this too. I like the pressure he's under though because it's revealed some interesting things I'll post about soon
Bats gets all terribke and grovelly as town, I've seen it a couple times before.
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K stuff I remember while reading earlier:
Geript might not be scum. At the very least I give him more time. Especially since nobody seems to want to comment on what I've brought and those who have have been completely noncomittal. Givin' me the jibblies.
##unvote: Geript
Trfel's posting looked pretty good at first glance. Liked the stuff he picked up on Rels. I want to do a once-over just to see any surface similarities between here and the last game I played with him (I think I was scum in that one) and see if anything jumps out at me either meta- or otherwise.
Sulf still looks like ass balls. Probably primary lynch for me right now.
##Vote: Sulfurus
On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks
Like what IS this? Reiteration of stuff I already said, townreading me for no explained reason, opportunistic bats vote after being completely noncomittal about it earlier, and also while possibly attempting to pocket noob?
I dunno somebody mentioned that Sulfurus' meta is to post kinda shitty but I can honestly say I don't care about that here. Scummy posting is scummy.
On June 13 2015 08:02 batsnacks wrote:
K well I have the longest filter now and anyone who thinks mafia batsnacks has the biggest filter d1 is a silly goose and I don't mind getting lynched by silly geese because they can't be reasoned with anyway. So I'm going to go play dwarf fortress.
Hated this post because it reads as though batsnacks was simply aiming for this the entire time. Wouldn't vote him because of it but ugh city.
On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia. Wishy Washy very naughty. eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho. This is STILL wishy-washy. Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done. Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future.
Yuuuppppp
Loving Moosy for this really. For the record I believe 'wishy-washy' on its own is a horrible scumtell. It's completely circumstantial and Moosy's play is pretty consistent although his continued attempts to purposefully draw attention to how inexperienced he is is starting to annoy me. We get it Moose, you're new. Just play the game now.
The pressure batsnacks is under brought Rels to the surface. I don't know if anything more needs to be said on him consider how opportunistic his vote was even after pressure seemed to be dying down a little, but now he looks like scum who got caught with his pants slightly down and is being forced to stick to his guns while at the same time looking for a way to get off a possible town wagon.
On June 13 2015 09:23 Rels wrote:
And batsnacks, you have very few post worth reading with an enormous filter.
Though I have this feeling: that's weird that everybody is on you. Really, if you're mafia it means that scott, moosy or damdred almost have to be too.
But that doesn't matter atm. Make content and if someone is scummier than you I'll vote that person. That's it.
That is a godawful post ladies and gents. Keep an eye on this one.
Finally, Scott I want to know who your top lynch is.
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On June 14 2015 03:00 geript wrote:
And wave got added for feels iirc but weekly so. that might have been earlier though
You know it's funny I remember unvoting you for feels and now that I'm back and seeing that you haven't done anything, nor am I seeing hardcore scumhunter geript I'm starting to worry again.
Would not lynch above Sulf though. Nothing redeeming about that guy whatsoever. Might sheep Trfel too. Really liking him this game.
I also remember Damdred and Scott pinging my radar for some reason---something along the lines of not knowing where they stand but I think scott sort of addressed it. Damdred who do YOU want to lynch today aside form 'not batsnacks?'
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With ~4h to go, I don't think discussing blue roles is pertinent.
Also I really hope I can be around for deadline shenangians.
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On June 14 2015 03:55 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 14 2015 03:00 geript wrote:
And wave got added for feels iirc but weekly so. that might have been earlier though You know it's funny I remember unvoting you for feels and now that I'm back and seeing that you haven't done anything, nor am I seeing hardcore scumhunter geript I'm starting to worry again. Would not lynch above Sulf though. Nothing redeeming about that guy whatsoever. Might sheep Trfel too. Really liking him this game. I also remember Damdred and Scott pinging my radar for some reason---something along the lines of not knowing where they stand but I think scott sort of addressed it. Damdred who do YOU want to lynch today aside form 'not batsnacks?' Hold up now, I've given several,cutting edge opinions besides just don't lynch bat. So let's not misrepresent. However If you were to say I haven't really expressed any scum reads you would be correct. Besides saying I would lynch Geript anyway. Something is still pinching me about Geript not being totally right, and I still like the case on rel. I am not sure I agree with lynching sulfur today though I like a couple points but I'm not sure
Aside from Trfel just now, I think the entirety of the case to lynch Sulf at this point is 'why not?'
And I can't think of a reason why not.
Geript could just be playing a weak game right now. I had to sit back and think about with his ridiculous contradiction early game actually makes him scum and whereas normally one would think scum would be way too careful to make that mistake, I feel like geript has shit the bed before in a scumgame we played together but I'm too lazy to go back and look it up. If I'm wrong geript you have my permission to yell at me.
One of the things he recently posted about there not being any vets on the scumteam struck me as odd because I don't feel 'good' about any of the vets in this game including you, so I'm not sure how he does. I'm not even sure how he felt good enough about me after our argument (I do get 'feels,' but usually geript can and does explain his reads on me better).
Also random point? Where is Kickstart? Guy blasts out the gate and was the first to vote the likely lynch for today but I don't remember him doing anything in a while.
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On June 14 2015 04:14 Trfel wrote:
Ugh, I just don't quite feel right about lynching geript or Damdred. They're both incredible players, and it's the weekend, so it's unfair to expect normal activity levels from them.
##vote Rels
You were voting for bats right? What does you switching to rels have anything to do with damdred or geript?
And you'd be lynching them only for activity if you did and not for any other reason despite people already mentioning all sorts o fthings (about geript mainly)
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On June 14 2015 04:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:32 Trfel wrote:Rels on Fake)Plants/scott31337On June 13 2015 07:36 Rels wrote:
I was sure 100% he was mafia. Now that he got replaced that has changed. (referring to Fake)Plants) On June 13 2015 08:40 Rels wrote:
Alright scott I don't see your posts as scummy. On June 13 2015 09:07 Rels wrote:
Null
moosy
Damdred
scott On June 14 2015 01:27 Rels wrote:On June 14 2015 00:58 geript wrote:
It was a good reason tho. I remember thinking that. Yo geript. If you ever remember that reason I'll be super interested, as I hated plants' only post. I don't understand this at all. He basically says that he has no reason to scumread scott31337 any more, but doesn't townread him in his list post. And then, when geript ( who he was voting for at this time) mentions a reason that he moved scott31337 to null (but says that he doesn't remember the reason), Rels is extremely interested and justifies this by referring back to his initial read on Fake)Plants. The read he already said has changed. He's just jumping on something that's there, and it's hard for me to see him really trying to figure out scott31337's alignment. Can people let Rels reply to this and NO ONE DEFEND him? Depending on his response, this might be the nail in the coffin.
Contrary to popular belief, cases on people aren't for those people to respond to to decide whether we lynch them or not. Cases are to convince the rest of town to lynch that person. Absolutely anyone can explain their way out of anything if given the chance.
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On June 14 2015 04:47 Damdred wrote:
Imo lynch rels trfel has made several excellent posts that really show someone being crummy. I think it's a good case
I'm tempted to sheep myself but I personally think Sulf is worse here. He keeps showing up, posting something once of no consequence and fucking off again. Why exactly do you think Rels is a better lynch?
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On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this?
'Cause he's about to be lynched.
Come on, bats.
I'm fine with Sulf and Rels being the wagons for now. I'll keep my vote where it is for the moment. We should try and consolidate closer to deadline though so no room for last minute solo switches
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Yeah only thing I'll say about this but I feel like Geript was going down regardless of any errors. I certainly wasn't around to shout anything. As far as the lynch itself, I know I thought he was slipping earlier but that was one of the reasons I was attempting to re-evaluate him. Slips just aren't likely most of the time.
On June 14 2015 08:10 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 07:37 Damdred wrote:
Also day post is at 18:06 for,me and it's 18:36 now Sooo it's right just sucks. The Phase might have been 48 hours, but it didn't end when the post in Page 1 said it would, and it didn't end at the time all of the vote counts told us it would. I don't know that the result of the Day would have been ANY different (because my attempts to defend geript did not get a single person to move their vote off of him yet, and in fact 2 more people moved their vote ONTO him after I tried to defend him) but it's "still kinda lame." Anyway, we're stuck with it, so I'm gonna let it go for now, and just move on. Well, I would again backreference this post: Show nested quote +n00bKing wrote: Situation: 11 players have votes in place, and 2 players are not voting. All 11 of the votes are on either batsnacks or Sulfurus. No one has a vote on anyone else.
At this stage of a Day 1, I'm more used to seeing a smattering of votes on some other miscellaneous players too. Maybe partially because the scum team doesn't want to have all their votes in one place, so they fan out some (and maybe a random Townie or two gets tunneled on their respective targets, and won't budge, even though no one else has any interest in following along).
Theory: This situation makes it pretty likely that one of the two players receiving votes is actually scum, and that we don't have a Town vs. Town situation for our two vote leaders. The scum team has not been able to fan out their votes, because they've needed "all hands on deck" to make sure that the scum player doesn't take a runaway lead in the voting.
Conclusion: Even though there's a lot of time left in the Phase, we may not want to introduce a third lynch target, and should instead stick to trying to pick between these two (since, if the Theory is correct, one of them would flip Red). This is why I was disappointed to see the surge against geript ignite (aside from the fact that batsnacks' reasoning against him was garbage), because I felt like we had a REAL reason to think that one of the two original vote leaders was scum. I still feel that way now. As far as which of them is MORE likely to be scum, and which of my town reads become stronger based on the result of the lynch, I should re-read a few things first, and get back to you later.
I agree with this but I think there was also a decent chance Geript was scum outside of the supposed 'slip' and you could see that people were attempting to coordinate or starting to rally around the idea before Batsnacks' post. The question is, did scum see an easy out once he posted and jump on or ignore it entirely? At this point I'd go with the easy out option. I still see absolutely no reason why Sulfurus isn't scum here. AND him and Rels still looked scummier than Geript at the end of the day so some close evaluation is necessary.
On June 14 2015 06:10 geript wrote:
Hey batsnacks. Since you're so concerned with teaching noobs, I'll teach you something you should've learned by now. "Scumslips" that are caught never are.
Lynch Rels or Sulf next
This is the Geript I was expecting to see throughout the day but he didn't show up. We listen to him I think.
Also something really stood out to me reading over EOD as well and that's th stupid conversation between Noob and Ruxxar that everyone ignored. I ignored it too up until this point.
On June 14 2015 06:10 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. Wow bats... I'm speechless. I had you and geript as my top two scum. I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard. You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes. I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript. ##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript
Completely useless and irrelevant posting for pages, then ruxxar jumps in with this.
I know everyone else jumped on as well but read through this and tell me it doesn't look like shit. Just ass-kissing of the worst degree, over emphasis on how his read developed and how bats was 'redeemed' when plenty of us found him townier way earlier. It looks like another case where he was just looking for a way to get off bats because keeping his vote there wasn't going to look so good with Rels/Sulf on the block.
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On June 14 2015 08:29 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 08:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 08:11 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 07:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 07:37 Damdred wrote:
Also day post is at 18:06 for,me and it's 18:36 now Sooo it's right just sucks.
Anyway, who do you think is town/scum Lol, I don't think anything is certain after this. getrip was fine with suspecting both Sulfurus and Rels when necessary and he even voted for both at some point. Not only that, but both Sulfurus AND Rels were two of our top suspects as Mafia. I can't shake off the feeling that getrip just really screwed up by accident and we were jumping on it for no reason. Kinda going pretty far out of your way to ignore the fact that geript said the Vigilante should KILL BATSNACKS tonight, aren't you? I don't see that post and mine have any relation? Really? damdred asked who was scum/town. And you said a bunch of stuff about what geript's opinions were on who might be scum. Presumably because we now know for certain that his opinions came from a Townie, and are not obfuscation in any way. So you talk and talk about Sulfurus and Rels, since those are both players geript voted against. But you completely IGNORE that geript said the Vigilante should KILL BATSNACKS. You don't understand why that looks bad?
lol I don't think I understand why that looks bad
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On June 14 2015 08:37 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 08:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol I don't think I understand why that looks bad Jeebus. Come on, man. He's doing analysis of geript's scumreads, since geript is now a confirmed Townie. He's casting suspicion on Rels and Sulfurus, because they were players that geript voted against. But the STRONGEST recommendation we got from our confirmed Townie was to KILL BATSNACKS IMMEDIATELY. To leave that out entirely and only focus on the other things makes it look like Batsnacks and Moosy are Mafia teammates. I'm not saying they are, but if they aren't, then Moosy is seriously screwing up here.
You didn't read then.
On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.
Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time.
He's asking for vig to remove him, not lynch, indicating that he thinks batsnacks is disruptive town.
He also posted that he still thinks we should lynch Rels and Sulf still.
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No, but that doesn't mean he is high priority either.
And even then, I still don't follow how that made moosy's post bad.
And AND, what's the point of all this? Do you believe scum team is rels/bats/sulf and Geript caught them all?
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