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On June 12 2015 08:51 n00bKing wrote:RuXx is on the Newbie list. How likely do you think it is that an inexperienced Mafia player would lead off the game talking about how it's cool for Town players to lie? An inexperienced Mafia member might be timid about saying hardly anything, but could be especially timid about telling everyone that there's nothing wrong with telling lies, even if you're Town. That kind of reckless boldness is a little Town-indicative to me. Someone wants to vote against him because of his needless roleclaim, fine. But voting against him because he says it's fine to lie would be a stretch. And I think voting against him because he got caught answering a question directed at someone else (while explaining why you shouldn't answer questions directed at someone else) would be a stretch. I disagree. He wouldn't dare say this as scum, unless he actually believes that it is acceptable and beneficial for town to lie. And as town, he would only say this if he actually believes it (yes, I see the irony). Either alignment, he's saying something that he believes to be true, so this isn't alignment indicative.
Vote for ruXxar because he only bothered to try and figure out someone's alignment after making posts deflecting my questions of that person.
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Oatsmaster, how does the Chezinu rule suggest that batsnacks is mafia? Based on my understanding of this rule, batsnacks isn't scum. I have gotten the opposite impression from his posts.
On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. Can we wait until I get an answer to my question?
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On June 12 2015 10:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 10:31 Trfel wrote:Oatsmaster, how does the Chezinu rule suggest that batsnacks is mafia? Based on my understanding of this rule, batsnacks isn't scum. I have gotten the opposite impression from his posts. On June 12 2015 10:27 geript wrote:On June 12 2015 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 12 2015 08:10 ruXxar wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasoning for voting on me, besides the fact that very few other people have spoke up yet. I am just rather overwhelmed by the amount of (cross) analysis occurring right now. ^.^ Although this is my first time around, I can already tell this will be great. Down to business. So @ruXxar, your reasoning for voting for Kickstart is his statement about lying in a game of Mafia? And @Trfel, can you please share why you're suspecting @ruXxar? I would have to agree with ruXxar's point that it is generally annoying when someone answers a question directed at you. Although I don't see why Kickstart went so far as to vote for Oatsmaster right off the bat. Unless he's the Mafia and trying to mislead us. On another note, do we know how many Mafias there are? If there are two Mafias, Oatsmaster and Kickstart may be those two and may have set this up to make everyone confused and make people like you two fight amongst yourselves. people should be talking about this. Can we wait until I get an answer to my question? the rule is that whoever votes for the person who claims vt is mafia. And Bats did exactly that. He hasnt been doing anything else but advising people. Also a scumtell. Pretty sure that isn't how the rule works...
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On June 12 2015 10:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway Trfel, what makes bats town?
I had a town lean on batsnacks due to the balance between his jokes and serious reads. Since then, batsnacks has been much more serious, and his jokes are few and far between, so this read isn't valid any more.
On June 12 2015 10:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
NAI is a new thing lol.
I kinda like ruxxar.
It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them.
He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO.
(bold added)
So if he doesn't do it intentionally, then why is it towny?
On June 12 2015 15:03 n00bKing wrote:
It's also worth noting that RuXx purposely furthered the conversation about Town players lying, AFTER he saw that some other players were reacting negatively to what he had said. If a Newbie scum player saw that what he had said was causing some raised eyebrows, he might clam up or change the subject, to get beyond the comment that had raised suspicion, and bury it. Instead, he challenges the people who expressed a contradictory viewpoint, which ensures that no readers who come along later will gloss over what he's said.
You could try to say that he didn't realize it was a controversial statement when he first made it. But even after it was clear to him (based on the posts of other players) that it was a controversial statement, he stuck to it, and called more attention to it. Again, I feel like this is boldness you would seldom see from an inexperienced scum player. This point about ruXxar continuing to press the lying issue is good. I guess I judged ruXxar too early.
##unvote
On June 12 2015 16:35 Rels wrote:
Hello everybody, GL HF!
I'll read the thread now and comment on things. See you soon. I really don't like this post at all. Posting without having read the thread is useless, the only thing it helps with is making it look like you're doing more work that you actually are, and it detracts from scumhunting. But making a useless post after the investigation has already started is pathetic.
On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent. Rels, what about ruXxar's post made you say this?
On June 13 2015 01:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't decide now if I think geript and bats could be scum together for this horribleness. Association cases = bad but I can't help it and I THINK it's probably not the case. One of them at least for sure though.
I have no idea why someone as experienced as WaveofShadow would share a potential association case while in the same post acknowledging that association cases are bad. Please explain.
On June 13 2015 01:44 scott31337 wrote:
Good day. I'm at page 16 - So far not liking N00bking for his wordy fluff - and Rels gets a slight townread (even if it's for calling out my replacement). KS and Oats feel are two townies angry at each other.
Let me catch up with the rest and a through read. Why does calling out the player with only one post, who needs to get replaced, make someone town? Especially because, if you are town, he called out the easiest player to pick on who happens to be confirmed town.
I really don't like batsnacks' response to the pressure on him. Batsnacks doesn't normally react like this, he's fine under pressure. In my first game playing with him, I tunneled him for basically all of Day 1 and Night 1, and he made a post telling people to stop arguing about useless things and read the case I had posted on him.
I need to read some filters, but batsnacks seems very active, concerned about his safety, but not providing actual content.
On June 13 2015 06:42 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 03:28 geript wrote:On June 13 2015 03:25 batsnacks wrote:
I don't know what geripts alignment is... Clearly that guy is 3P. I don't know what 3P means either. Third party.
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Batsnacks, any thoughts on Rels?
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Rels
1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff
+ Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work.
2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target
+ Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening.
3. Townread on ruXxar
+ Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever.
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On June 13 2015 07:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie. Why haven't you been asking questions to try and get reads on the people you are unsure of?
How was Fake)Plants possibly not an easy target?
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MoosyDoosy, any thoughts about my case on Rels?
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On June 13 2015 07:30 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:22 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2015 07:19 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:Rels1. Lots of early posts with no content, only purpose is to make it seem like he's doing stuff + Show Spoiler +1. Completely useless "hi" post ~10 hours after the game started, not necessary at all. 2. "LOL" in response to ruXxar's contradiction, no conclusion about his alignment at all* 3. Asks a question to ruXxar (still nothing about ruXxar's alignment) 4. Says that MoosyDoosy's first post is weird* 5. Tells n00bKing not to defend ruXxar* 6. Asks a question to Sulfurus* 7. Repeats one of Oatsmaster's comments* The things with asterisks had been said by someone else before Rels commented on them. Then he (finally) posts his case on Fake)Plants. On June 12 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
OK I finally found a mafia. And by doing this shows that all of his previous posts amount to very little. There's really no reason for Rels to post like this, it serves no purpose for scumhunting or confirming his own alignment. All it does is make it look like he's doing work, but repeating things that have already been said isn't even work. 2. Makes a case on the easiest possible target + Show Spoiler +Fake)Plants only had one post.
Rels just continues to talk about this post, spending many, many posts directing people back to it. He's not showing any interest in anything else that's happening. 3. Townread on ruXxar + Show Spoiler +On June 13 2015 00:22 Rels wrote:
Alright ruxxar I was unsure how to read you. But with this post I now believe you're a super excited townie. I too believe that we should not let mafia the ability to stay silent.
So. What do you think of plants first and only post ? Rels thinks that ruXxar is town for making a post with no content at all. RuXxar made a post saying that MoosyDoosy's defense of himself is really good, and then Rels townreads ruXxar for this. RuXxar's inability to defend himself but willingness to jump on someone else's defense of him is extremely scummy, and reminds me of ShoCkeyy in my last game. There is absolutely no reason for Rels to townread ruXxar because of this post. Furthermore, he agrees that we shouldn't let the mafia stay silent. And he does this by asking his townread about the only other read he's made in this game, and then vanishing. Not actually acting on this whatsoever. Oh hey good timing. I really disagree on the easy target. I have no idea who is mafia between geript bat and moosy, if any. On the other hand the entrance post of plants was and still is super bad. And I don't care for IRL wifom, a lie is a lie. Why haven't you been asking questions to try and get reads on the people you are unsure of? How was Fake)Plants possibly not an easy target? Cause the one I wanted to ask to moosy was asked by noobking, waiting for answer now. What about the second question?
"How was Fake)Plants possibly not an easy target?"
I'd really like an answer, please.
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First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.
Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.
Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta.
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On June 13 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote:
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.
Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.
Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta. Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried? Last time I tried was the Ver game and I was right.
I have learned a thing or two since my first game of mafia ever, thank you very much.
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On June 13 2015 08:23 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:18 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2015 08:14 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 08:11 Trfel wrote:
First, my computer internet died, so I am on my phone.
Second, Moosy, I do think that ruX could be mafia, but I feel that Rels is more likely.
Though I might actually want to lynch bats instead. His quick agreement with me is unexpected, his play doesnt feel like his town meta. Your case is the best most compelling thing that has been posted yet??? Also you can't meta me remember what happened last time you tried? Last time I tried was the Ver game and I was right. I have learned a thing or two since my first game of mafia ever, thank you very much. You don't have to believe this is my normal town meta because it's not, but you can't believe my scum meta is to post this much. I am a 1 page per day scum poster not a post more than anyone else scum poster. And you only started doing this once you started getting voted, and while your posts are numerous, they don't have that much content.
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On June 13 2015 08:35 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:25 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 08:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 08:07 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:54 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia. Wishy Washy very naughty. eh, not wishy washy. I initially thought that Rels was a townie and didn't suspect him. What Trfel says is very interesting and would be a very hard read on him but I don't feel it's concrete enough to vote for him right off the bat. It does raise some yellow flags around him tho. This is STILL wishy-washy. Side note: I think the fact that Rels jumped right into the thread and started responding to posts in order (without reading the entire thread first) is slightly Town-indicative. I don't think it's a GOOD habit to have, but I don't think it's something a Mafia player would do. And I could tell that's what he had done even before he admitted that's what he had done. Lol, if you think a slight change in opinion is wishy washy then I guess I can never change my opinion or stance in the future. No he is right for once. Your posts were wishy washy. You can un-wishy-wash them by pointing out what specifically is interesting about the case. Saying the case is interesting and that you could possibly, maybe, potentially, conditionally, vote Rels later but for now all you have are some vague yellow flags is wishy washy. Got you. Alright, I said this BEFORE n00bking as well, but I can read Rels as townie. Trfel's point that Rels' early posts were filler is false because Rels said he was making posts as he read. That makes that first post invalid. Trfel's second point that Rels spotted Plants as an easy target is something that I can agree with. Plants' post seemed like something a newbie would make so Rels might have been trying to take advantage of it. Trfel's third point is something that I disagree with. I'm pretty sure that ruXxar is an excited newbie unless he does something else really strange so I don't agree with the reasoning of the post. So overall, sure it might be worth looking at Rels, but definitely not worth voting for this round. Wait... what?
1. Of course Rels says he was making posts as he read. The fact is that we have no way to verify this, and that there is no good town motivation to do this.
2. I could understand if Rels had a scumread on ruXxar. I could understand if Rels had a townread on ruXxar. I could understand if Rels had a null read on ruXxar. I find it hard to see how Rels was unsure about ruXxar, and then ruXxar made a content-less post that showed that he can't defend himself, and then decided to townread him solidly.
Also, why did you change your mind so quickly from this post:On June 13 2015 07:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:46 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:44 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:44 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 13 2015 07:38 Rels wrote:On June 13 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote:
MoosyDoosy, any thoughts about my case on Rels? Would love to know that as well. Rels, did you post while reading the thread or after you read everything? Why ? If you mean tonight, I read everything then I posted. I'm talking about when you first came into the read. Did you post while reading stuff or posted after reading everything? I read and posted as I found interesting posts. While the case Trfel seems interesting, I'm not going to vote for you quite yet. It's simple for someone to just notice suspicious stuff while reading which explains the filler before you found the post from Plants. The rest of what Trfel says is interesting tho, so I'd still count you around as a possible Mafia. Where you seem to feel that my case is fairly good, just that you weren't quite convinced enough to vote for Rels yet?
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Ugh, I need to take a break and clear my head.
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I guess it doesn't look like Rels is getting lynched today. This makes my decision easier.
##vote batsnacks
The filter length argument isn't very reliable, especially when the filter length is created after the need for it. Batsnacks' posts are made because he needs to survive. He isn't providing the additional content that would be expected for the large number of posts he's making, most of his posts don't say very much.
Town batsnacks normally plays with a mixture of jokes and serious reads. At the start of this game, his posting seemed balanced in this way, but he has made only serious posts for a very long time. The reason for this seems to be that people were scumreading him for his joke posts, and so he changed his play (see here). He didn't quote his meta, or explain why this isn't scummy, or defend himself by providing increased content. He just stopped playing in a way that he normally does, and posted more in quantity.
Most importantly, look at what batsnacks says about Rels.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 12 2015 21:44 batsnacks wrote:
I think plant's post is scummy but I don't exactly agree with the reasons you made, especially the IRL wifom. The post comes off to me as "Blah say something obvious, forced contribution vomit." (responding to Rels' case on Fake)Plants) Then he includes Rels in the "idk" category of his list post here. Then I questioned batsnacks about Rels. On June 13 2015 06:56 batsnacks wrote:He made a case on plants that wasn't optimal. I thought plants was scummy for the short duration he/she was in the game but the focus of Rels' case was the excuse plants gave, which was not the scummiest part of plant's post. That has been most of Rels contribution to the game. On June 13 2015 06:57 batsnacks wrote:
ebwop also Rels doesn't appear to have re-evaluated his plants read now that scott has replaced. If Rels is mafia that could be why. Then I posted my case on Rels. On June 13 2015 07:21 batsnacks wrote:
gj Trfel you found mafia
##unvote
##vote Rels On June 13 2015 07:37 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:34 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:26 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote:
I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?
Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet. Okay. Well nope, I continue to agree with you that you're a reasonably good lynch target for Day 1. Also, you're aware that the player you're voting against now was not anywhere on your "would lynch" list, an hour ago? Trfel really turned your whole world upside down that quickly? Yes he did Trfel makes awesome cases. Also I made that list before I started reading filters. If you follow the thread you can verify that. In this last post, batsnacks implies that he read Rels' filter sometime in between his list post and my case on him. This makes sense, given that I specifically asked him to provide a read on Rels. The thing that I do notice is that batsnacks is implying that reading Rels' filter made him scumread him more strongly. However, looking at the posts that he made on Rels right before I posted my case, he seems rather undecided on Rels, if anything thinking that Rels is only slightly worse than null.
So, Rels made a faked post that was an easy contribution. Then he didn't re-evaluate when the player he was scumreading (largely for inactivity) was replaced, and then batsnacks read Rels' filter and Rels looked scummier. But after all of this, batsnacks still doesn't even say that Rels is scummy when I asked him.
But despite all of this, my case on Rels is enough to almost instantly make batsnacks vote for Rels (but only after Damdred and geript approve of it).
I'm fairly comfortable with this, though I would like to see why Damdred and WaveofShadow don't want to lynch batsnacks.
Sulfurus has less than a page of filter. I've been waiting for him to start playing more actively, but he just... hasn't. I'm terrible at reading newbies, and I'm terrible at trying to figure out what is bad town and what is actual scum. I'd rather lynch someone who I feel at least a little confident in reading.
Sulfurus is actually putting out a decent number of reads, and with reasonable commitment. His read progression on Kickstart is logical, and since I'm pretty sure he has no experience playing with Kickstart before, I can definitely see him scumreading Kickstart but later changing his mind after seeing Kickstart play for a longer period of time (I reacted the same way to Kickstart when I first saw his play).
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On June 13 2015 12:17 Sulfurus wrote:If you don't think I scumread Bats I really do I was just hesitant before because I misread him last game but now I'm sure. What makes you sure?
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On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats? What about batsnacks' posting is towny? Self-meta?
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On June 13 2015 14:45 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 14:12 Trfel wrote:On June 13 2015 14:07 scott31337 wrote:On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote:To start off I think n00bKing is the towniest person in this game period. Almost all of his posts are there to benefit town with either advice or very good questioning and again I think his reasoning on ruXxar is spot on (and much better then what Kick has said). So fmpov this make ruXx look really good and bats/kick look terrible (ruxx has also done a lot since that looks really towny in my eyes whereas kick and bats haven't). Moving on there is also the whole conflict between Wave and Geript caused by his shitty read on Moosy (which was sheeped by Bats even though geript himself has changed his mind). I think this interaction makes Wave look pretty good and bats once again doesn't however he has since changed his vote to Rels. Speaking of which the reason he is even voting Rels is because of a read by Trfel (looking back he was also one of the first to push scum on ruXx). So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks So you have a couple townreads and read bats scum, is that correct? Bats is showing himself a little more townie lately, would you agree or no? Who would you like to lynch besides Bats? What about batsnacks' posting is towny? Self-meta? A lot of his posting recently- for an example Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 07:37 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:34 n00bKing wrote:On June 13 2015 07:26 batsnacks wrote:On June 13 2015 07:23 n00bKing wrote:
I'm confused about why you expect people to think you're Town? Can you help with that?
Well you haven't given me anything that I haven't responded to and you haven't brought anything new to the ongoing case on me in a long time so... I'm just assuming that you stopped scum reading me and forgot to switch your vote. Or you haven't decided who to switch to yet. Okay. Well nope, I continue to agree with you that you're a reasonably good lynch target for Day 1. Also, you're aware that the player you're voting against now was not anywhere on your "would lynch" list, an hour ago? Trfel really turned your whole world upside down that quickly? Yes he did Trfel makes awesome cases. Also I made that list before I started reading filters. If you follow the thread you can verify that. Do you think this is just a pocket or he is mafia? Well, town shouldn't be pocketing, they have no need for that.
While batsnacks' statement had the upside of pocketing, the main reason is that he needed to say that to survive. I've already explained why his scumread and vote for Rels doesn't make sense to me, especially since batsnacks is generally skeptical of my play.
I just don't feel like his posting and self-meta is genuine. Anyone can post a lot, anyone can self-meta, but it's harder to make the next step and deliver a bunch of quality reads and show a clear, towny thought process.
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Scott31337:
You gave a slight townread on ruXxar, but then put him in your could lynch category. What changed? Your explanation is based on stuff that he said before you gave your slight townread on him.
One more question:
On June 13 2015 08:58 scott31337 wrote:
Batsnacks - Been on the wagon most of the day and play is different then his normal town. His last few posts have been slightly better though so that's why I haven't voted him yet. What do you mean by the bolded?
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On June 13 2015 08:54 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 08:40 Trfel wrote:
1. Of course Rels says he was making posts as he read. The fact is that we have no way to verify this, and that there is no good town motivation to do this. I agree with you that there is no good town motivation to do that. But do you also agree with me that there is actually scum motivation to NOT do that? Sorry, I just realized that I missed this question.
There is some scum motivation not to do that, but there's a lot more scum motivation TO do it. A whole lot more than the town motivation, anyway.
I know you are scumreading batsnacks. What do you think about Sulfurus, Rels, and scott31337?
On June 13 2015 15:17 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 15:01 Trfel wrote:Scott31337: You gave a slight townread on ruXxar, but then put him in your could lynch category. What changed? Your explanation is based on stuff that he said before you gave your slight townread on him. When I together that list, he had not posted at all since this morning. It has faded since then with his inactivity. Now that you say something, he is from Norway and could be time zones for the reason. He should be back on in a couple hours then instead. One more question: On June 13 2015 08:58 scott31337 wrote:
Batsnacks - Been on the wagon most of the day and play is different then his normal town. His last few posts have been slightly better though so that's why I haven't voted him yet. What do you mean by the bolded? Bat was the wagon with three votes when I replaced out. I asked him about the voters on him, and I see more of a defensive town at the moment. A couple of my town reads agree. Formatting XD
But anyway, it's not in batsnacks' playstyle to be defensive at all. I already shared that in my first game ever, he actually made a post drawing attention to my case on him, and later hammered himself because posting a vote on a phone was troublesome enough to make him let himself die instead.
I already showed why I disagree with your example of his posting being towny. I don't understand where you are coming from.
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