Newbie Student Mafia XI - Page 15

1. Early on, ruXxar was slow to discuss people's alignments:

I don't see how your quotes back up that statement.
All of those quotes are from the first few pages of the game, and then there's even a scumlean in there.

My reads so far this game has been :

Mafia:
# Kickstart scum,
# Bats scum,
# Moosy medic
# Geript scum (I read his filter before the battrap and I already found it lacking. It was easy for me to sheep bats at that point)
# n00bking town,
# Trfel town,
# Rels scum,
# Moosy scum baiting as medic,
# kickstart scum,
# oatsmaster and scott scum.
# scott town
# wave town
# batsnacks town
# kickstarter town

Probably not correct order,but accurate enough.

To say I haven't been out there putting my neck on the line and making alignment statements is wrong.
I used exactly that argument against Moosy first time around when I accused him of being wishy washy and non committal.

2. Early scumread of Kickstart feels forced

Again an argument from the first 5 pages of the game, you read too much into it.

3. Keeps saying he wants more thread activity, but does nothing about it

First off, my filter is twice as long as yours.
Second off, if you read my filter you can see that I've actually been pushing the thread all game, not afraid to throw out new thoughts, trying to spotlight players I feel have been getting an easy pass.
Whenever I've had an opinion I've thrown it out there, even to the point of making me look wishy washy sometimes because I make new realizations minutes after I post them, and most of the time they even contradict my previous thoughts.
I'm not afraid to make pushes on people that other considered towny based on my own interpretation of the situation.
I don't need other peoples arguments to make a push, I make them myself.

When I say that I'm going to bed, it usually means I'm going from my computer to my bed, and start reading on my phone.
And yes, I don't push equally as strong every day. I have a day job that requires my attention and sometimes the thread is simply at a standstill and you've run out of ideas.

I find this argument to be very weak also.

4. Switches read on Kickstart for a weak reason:

I actually went through geripts filter and came to the same conclusion that he did.
Admit it, geripts filter was weak, and going through the filter I came to the same realizations that kickstart did.

Besides the first statement about liars from kickstart, he did nothing else that made me feel he was more scummy.
Again, you read too much into the first few pages of the game.

5. Delay in responding to batsnacks' case on geript

I think this makes perfect sense.
My top two scumreads were bats and geript.
I did not think bats would bus his own teammate.
This makes bats seem town.

I don't see how this logic is hard to follow.

6. Changing stance on Sulfurus

So this is probably the most damning evidence against me, my alignment with sulfurus.

Yes, I was wrong on sulfurus. My mentality was that his plays were too obviously bad to be scum.
As you say this argument falls apart if Rels is town, which I actually realized in a later post

Despite that, I still clung onto the fact that sulfurus was town.
Even if the evidence was right in front of me, i had somehow locked away the thought of re-evaluating sulfurus, due to my earlier conviction.
That's a terrible mindset to have from my side, but that's how I thought at that point.

Combine that with the fact that he'd been talking good about me all game, he actually did an excellent job in converting me to his side.
I don't know if that was his plan, but I have to commend him for it, and slap myself hard for falling for it.

7. Inconsistency with regards to the implication of Sulfurus' flip on Rels' alignment

Let me explain.
After the flip on sulfurus, my head was in a disarray.
Everything I had believed in so hard had just fallen apart.
At this point im scrambling to try to make sense of things.

So I put Rels on that list because the only reason I could think of that made sense with sulfurus flipped, was that rels was town. Which comes from the realization I had in point 6 above.

Then I later reevaluate and think that I must've been overthinking and that sulfur was actually just defending his scum teammate all along which I outlined in this post:




8. Jumped around a lot and posted a variety of thoughts Day 1 through Night 2, then stopped
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By day 2, tell me who else you would find suspicious besides scott, oats and possibly damdred?

You can't deny that oats and scott were looking the worst, you even said it yourself and almost everyone agreed on the point that either of them were scum.
So this point applies to pretty much everyone on day 2.
You call me lazy, but I made cases against oats and scott and I mentioned damdred multiple times.

I actually thought that Scott was mafia. But then I looked at his day 1. And I had to agree with moosy, it actually looked very towny.

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I later changed my mind on scott since I didn't like his defense when pressured.

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If something is unclear or you feel I didn't adequately respond to a point, please ask and I will clarify any questions you have.

I'm very happy to have an open discussion of where we go from here.

This is my current read list:

#Trfel: town.
#wave: town. He did make some weird posts lately though, not sure what to read into that.
#damdred: uncertain, I pegged mostly his inactivity, but he said he had internet outage so I don't know.
#batsnacks: town.
#kickstart: town.
#Rels: uncertain. He puts in a lot of effort though, which I like.
#Oats: scum although I don't know why sulfurus would try to make a case against him, not sure here.

I'll be re-evaluating some posts from the last day and try to create some talking points.