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Who is he trying to protect with this desperation play this early in the day to keep the focus on him? | ||
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On June 21 2015 09:13 Oatsmaster wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 21 2015 07:09 Kickstart wrote: Lol at bats failuire :D. Means he took out Damdred with him correct? -_______- Well that puts the damdred lynch nonsense to rest that some were pushing. I really think we kill oats here but we can't afford any mistakes so will see. On June 21 2015 06:52 Kickstart wrote: Doubt I'll die with some others still here but just in case, kill oats~ On June 21 2015 01:17 Kickstart wrote: Oats is so scummy here and should never have been allowed to live to this point. He is just starting shit fights and calling every single player in the game scum with 0 reasoning and then peacing out or telling every person who makes any point whatsoever that their point is bad or doesn't make sense while he himself gets hung up over the most useless things. Like this 'scumslip' he keeps going on about. It clearly wasn't a fucking scumslip because the guy flipped town so why the fuck oats is so hung up on it is beyond me, besides it being the new thing he can shit up the thread and argue with someone about without actually contributing in any way. If he turns out to be town he has been fucking useless and should feel bad. On June 20 2015 07:30 Kickstart wrote: zzzzzzzzzzz Was wanting to switch to oats but overslept and no one was here any fucking ways. Where does this put us. 2 mafia vs how many town still? 2v4? Nightkill we are 2v3. Yep, have to get the next one right boys. On June 19 2015 23:05 Kickstart wrote: So scot n oats still scummy to me. Only thing I want to note is if scott flips town I am going to have to have a look at bats and trfel for telling him to not talk to them because they aren't listening. I mean I think scott is scum too and trfel is like shitting town rainbows any time he decides to post but yeah. On June 19 2015 04:56 Kickstart wrote: Yeah I have no recent experience with oats so I can't speak to that. He just seems to give no fucks about the game or even trying to figure it out. He just comes in and nitpicks at peoples points or makes some insane mafia teams that make no sense. My only experience with him was 3 years ago and he was scum that game so he was much different. On June 19 2015 04:41 Kickstart wrote: He tends to sit back like this. But he does come in when it counts or when there is pressure and does decent then. That is how I felt he did day2 and that is why I like him for now. I would agree that other than the day2 he has been very under the radar but that is exactly how I felt about him in the 1 other games I played with him (thin it was just 1  ) and that is just how he plays. Scott is a good lynch today. My worry is with Oats is that he could be mafia or town and just being lazy, but if we allow him to live to mylo or lylo we are in a real bad spot having to try to read him, whereas almost everyone else would be easier to read at that point I think. That said we still have time and a scott lynch again looks the best to me (I'm about equal on oats vs scott lynch but seems most people arent as sure on an oats lynch as I am).On June 19 2015 03:49 Kickstart wrote: Actually tbh I would just go between oats and scott now. Rels and ruxxar have posted a lot and both of them look better now so. Would lynch oats/scott today. On June 19 2015 03:48 Kickstart wrote: So you saying rels ruxxar and oats arent scummy and you want to lynch scott? Not sure I agree that anything sulfurus does makes them 3 town but I said those are the 4 I would lynch into and I still feel that way. In order it is probably like oats, scott, rels, ruxxar at this point with oats being who I would most want to lynch. On June 21 2015 08:12 Kickstart wrote: Don't like the position we are in. Oats deserves to die but if he is town then he fucked all of us by deciding to not play this game. If he is town now is the time for him to do something, otherwise he is still the best lynch. In the past 2 pages of his filter, kickstart has posted like 12 posts telling people to lynch me. That seems like more than usual paranoia. especially since hes wrong. ##vote kickstart Also all his arguments are really bad and basically hinge on him not liking the way I play, rather than any real reasons why Im mafia. You greenchecked Kickstart huh? | ||
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Do you even know what a strawman is? You just said you didn't attack Kickstart, I LITERALLY SHOWED HOW YOU ATTACKED KICKSTART. TODAY. And you apparently voted for someone you greenchecked? I just...I just can't believe how terrible this is. I'm done being provoked into these nonsensical arguments. | ||
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The timing of oats claim comes after he can be sure town doesn't have a cop. He waits for everyone in the town to have posted to confirm rather than claim early in the day. You ask 'but wave, everyone had posted already waayyy before oats claimed!' Look at the timing of trfels post. He posts and leaves before the idea of cop claiming comes up. Oats waits until he posts the second time to be absolutely sure its safe. (This actually means trfel is probably town?) It's obvious to me where votes need to be today. I have proof now oats is scum but the rest of you need to choose one way or another. Objectively the claim and his 'proof' is awful but I suppose im just biased considering my position. Either way i'm not going to spend what time I have arguing with him either so you guys can do what you feel is right and I'm going to do what I can to help find the final scum. Probably not much until tomorrow though as its fathers day today. | ||
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Go ahead and explain away and bring all the horseshit you need to. Hopefully town doesn't buy into it but at least I'm doing all I can. | ||
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On June 22 2015 19:45 ruXxar wrote: I want to hear wave answer both of these questions: #1: Explain why Trfel could be mafia. #2: Explain why I could be mafia. I'm going to answer this question pretty simply here. Look at what Rels and Kickstart have been doing. Do either of those players look like scum to you fighting off a townie? That is absolutely a town on town fight right there. I've seen a fucking thousand of them. Now look at the people who don't give a shit that it's happening as it goes on. Trfel/you/Oats. Although I suppose Trfel went to bed before it started? so meh. I highly doubt Trfel sits down and makes an huge entire fucking case for Oats being scum/me being town as scum because that makes no goddamn sense to do when all he has to do is vote me. You're the one who is still asking questions and looking like you're trying to find a reason to switch one way or the other. Of the two of you? I think you're more likely scum here. That being said I've seen some dumb shit in my time---I could be wrong on Trfel and he could be pulling some long-ass play to ensure that he still looks good and can switch/ride the tide of a voteswap at the end of the day easy. Actually come to think of it the same could be said for almost anyone if they assume that this is where the votes are most likely to be at the end of the day---if Oats absolutely looks like he is going down any scummer is going to be afraid to be the vote of dissent which is going to make our job harder going forward. The thing is, in most cases if I'm about to die I give reads on absolutely everyone I possible can so you guys have something to go on once I'm dead, but in this case that shit doesn't matter because everything ends once I die. I'm going to do everything I can today to make sure Oats is the lynch and we have the time to sit back and figure out who the final scum is. | ||
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On June 23 2015 00:27 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm gonna say this again but I think it's really important. Why do I bother fakeclaiming pretty damn badly instead of just posting seals??? Also, remember all the claims you have seen while playing. How many of them were bad and mafia? How many of them were bad and town? I'm telling you that I have never seen a really really bad mafia fakeclaim, the only thing that gets close is bunnies vet claim in the most recent ver game but in that the claim was good enough for her to survive like 3 extra days. Pretty obvious, because you still have a chance to convince people here despite how terrible your fakeclaim is. I have absolutely seen bad mafia fakeclaims. (See fuba in Inglorious Basterds I think it was?) Hell I've even seen bad 3P fakeclaims (see BH in one of those Golden Sun games) Both got them lynched immediately if I remember correctly. If it was a real claim you would have absolutely claimed off the bat of the day instead of waited to make absolutely certain that nobody was already the cop. | ||
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I have a son, it was father's day yesterday, and then I had a wedding that lasted well into the night. I wasn't about to ruin the day by arguing fruitlessly with you and getting myself all worked up. | ||
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On June 23 2015 00:35 ruXxar wrote: If there is so much evidence for wave being mafia, then why are you the only one seeing it? Show us. Make it clear. Help us understand. That's the whole thing. There absolutely isn't. I have been busting my ass for most (I won't suggest I've been trying my hardest the entire time) of this game. All of the points Oats attempts to bring up as me being scum are simply not scumtells. He is desperation grasping at straws to bring up absolutely anything he can to make you guys pause and attempt to reconsider. Notice how he keeps bringing up activity and my 'reaction to the claim?" Horseshit. | ||
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On June 23 2015 00:44 ruXxar wrote: At this point I don't even want to discuss the cop claim. I just want to know how wave has *played* scummy. How you, oats were going to convince us without the cop claim. Besides the geript thing, the only thing you've used to Back up that wave is mafia, is things he has said and done *after* you claimed cop! I actually didn't even consider this point whatsoever. Just further shows that Oats' plan from the start was to all-in on me and me alone. Why he chose me as his fakeclaim target I have no idea---I'm assuming again some sort of 'why would he go for the strongest player if he wasn't telling the truth' WIFOM crap. Ruxxar, I'm curious---because if it seems like people aren't going to change their minds on Oats I may as well---what do you make of Rels vs Kickstart earlier today? | ||
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On June 23 2015 00:48 Oatsmaster wrote: How is your reaction anything but horse shit? The first thing you talk about is that I green checked Kickstarter. Not that i redchecked you or anything important. Then you leave and like 8 hours later come back and say you just noticed something you shouldve noticed a lot earlier if yyou were actually town. Then you disappear again and come back with inane nonsense about a town v town fight instead of trying to prove that I'm fakeclaiming. And fyi, i didn't claim at the start because I actually think about optimum play. Claiming at the start of today is only optimal if I have both mafia Rux, I've posted like really clearly why I think wave is mafia. For the setup speculation, we already have had a mad hatter, a role previously never seen in a newbie game so why are you guys using that as an ultimate rule that can never be broken? Why shouldn't that be the first thing I talk about? What good is it to town if I shout OATS IS SCUM IM ACTUALLY GREEN? I've already stated that. There is nothing scummy about that whatsoever. And you're saying I 'should've noticed that earlier' if I were town. Why exactly Oats? What's scummy about the timeline there. Please go ahead and explain to all those listening? And now you bring up what I talk about when I return? You're literally, and I mean LITERALLY taking everything I've said recently and attempting to paint that in a scummy light, and just like Ruxxar said, ONLY the stuff after you claimed is scummy somehow? lol. | ||
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On June 23 2015 00:52 Rels wrote: Fuck. Fuck fuck fuck. Can't believe it. Read the list of game Trfel quoted, and look the newbie games. We have newbie IX, VIII, VII ... where is X ? Here it is. By now if you read the "fuck" above I suppose you guessed it. Three power roles. So Trfel: - Left out ONE game of newbie these past three month - The game he left out was ofc the game where there was three power roles - Then went on to claim he went through ALL mini normal games of this past 3 month, and ALL had a maximum two power roles Fuck. I'm personally not a fan of setup analysis anyway, I think I ignored that post by Trfel entirely. As is I think the only way for a 3-man power role setup to work is for there to be the presence of a scum roleblocker I believe, and I don't think anyone was informed of being roleblocked this game, unless people just didn't claim it for whatever reason. I know I wasn't roleblocked. That is really interesting though that he omitted only one game from the analysis lol. Can't tell if oversight or on purpose and if so to what end. | ||
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On June 23 2015 00:53 Oatsmaster wrote: This post is a typical mafia post. It's super general and doesn't actually offer and real analysis. He implies that scum are scrambling when in actual fact, like half the game is doing something that he attributes as a scumtell. This is also without any mafia flips. he attributes to know what mafia are doing but the only mafia member he scum reads in this post and the next few posts are sulph, who is not doing what wave said scum or doing. Do you get this? Oats, I can out a fucking hundred posts by you this game without any real analysis. And once again you're not making any sense. Why would I expect Sulfurus to be doing what the other scum are doing when he was the one targeted? Just absolute nonsense constantly spewing from your mouth. | ||
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On June 23 2015 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Waves 180 on me is also really weird. Within a span of 36 hours, I go from one of his top town reads to one of his probably scum reads. This is consistent with the view of the thread, with kickstart and trfel pushing my case. However, in that space of time, wave only asked me a few questions after which he doesn't really follow up on, making me think that the read was changed in accordance with thread sentiment. There was nothing at all his wvaes filter showing his change of heart, just the change in tone with the posts towards me when he sheeped the scum read of kickstart. It's completely off. Wave totes mafia. 'CAuse 36h is a super short time to change your read. Also I hear changing your read of someone is a super scummy thing to do. | ||
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On June 23 2015 01:09 Oatsmaster wrote: It's limeOTE]On June 23 2015 01:02 WaveofShadow wrote: 'CAuse 36h is a super short time to change your read. Also I hear changing your read of someone is a super scummy thing to do. It's like 10-15 posts. And of all the things in the post, you manage to pick out that. Sick nitpick Nd dodging the main point Bro. [/QUOTE] What's the main point? That I change my mind without showing it in thread? You mean like you do here? On June 12 2015 11:31 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah I really am scumreading you for tryharding. Dont take this the wrong way, but I cannot remember what happened in games that happened more than a month ago. ITS NOT A MADE UP RULE. Kurumi? yeah kurumi did it. Bats is scummy man. Why do you think Bats is town? On June 16 2015 08:41 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont like this kickstart lynch, its coming up super fast and everyone is supporting it. What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good. or damdred. Nothing in thread as to why he changed his mind in between other than 'general stuff.' There's a lot more of that in your filter too. Wanna know what it looks like to me? It looks like you diving into my filter for the FIRST time since people are bothering you about it, and attempting to grab everything you can to find scummy, even when it's stuff you have literally done yourself. Oats below: ![[image loading]](http://media.giphy.com/media/mmYy42RNrgA0w/giphy.gif) | ||
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On June 23 2015 01:12 ruXxar wrote: This is turning into a clusterfuck of a game. Oats, maybe I just don't know the game well enough, but I don't see how that post from wave is indicative of mafia play. He even implicates his own scum buddy. Right now, my only gripe with wave, is the list that he posted before eon, where Damdred was the top scum tell. I know I've been harping on it a lot, but it was the perfect opportunity to frame damdred as mafia for killing bats after bats went on a tirade about how Scott/dam was the final 2. I had been null-to-scumreading Damdred for quite a while before that point actually if you check my filter, and mentioned it quite a few times throughout the game how it bothered me that he wasn't playing to his potential and barely doing any analysis at all. I see your issue, but I don't really have much to say about that as it was exactly how I felt at the time. Damdred seemed like the most likely choice. | ||
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On June 23 2015 01:21 ruXxar wrote: Like, here's the thing about you oats. You played ok day 1, I'll give you that. But after that it's like you just noped the fuck out of the game and just checked in now and then to throw out a "hey let's kill so and so". Like, I would expect a power role to be way more engaged in the game, like moosy was. I just didn't see that from you, and in doing so you lost the credibility to actually make a play such as the one you're doing now. I know this is a newbie game, and I sure made a lot of fuck ups myself. But try to look at it from our perspective. Imagine you don't know wave or yourself at all. All you have to judge from is this one game. Objectively, who would you believe, you or wave? It's no better if you actually know how Oats plays, trust me. | ||
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