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The fact that the game is considered a normal mini means despite the name it will use normal roles and no crazy shit?
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/in - will not be modkilled.
But I also won't be nearly as active as I usually was in the last few games. Yes, this will mean more catchup posts and less questioning/pushing overall - deal with it.
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On June 04 2015 18:07 Mig wrote:
/in if there is still room
I will not be modkilled
yay!
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I will be traveling for most of the day tomorrow and there is a party in the evening so if this start in a few hours already then for the first half of day1 there will only be very few posts by me if any.
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Sorry, should I edit this out?
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On June 05 2015 08:26 yamato77 wrote:
Fuck you, Artanis.
Onegu deserved NOTHING
At least I had chicken.
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On June 05 2015 08:45 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 08:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 05 2015 08:26 yamato77 wrote:
Fuck you, Artanis.
Onegu deserved NOTHING At least I had chicken. On top of that, his post has 3 As in it and I think he is trying to breadcrumb here that he is a triple A member, but that is impossible if we are to believe the average town member is of Onegu's stature, a poor farmer who probably doesn't even have a car.
This is clearly a bad assumption.
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On June 05 2015 08:50 Mig wrote:
Been awhile since I have played, is Marv still good? Anyone else known as a good townie that's playing? Yamamato still incredibly hard headed?
Yes. Maybe. Yes.
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On June 05 2015 08:52 Mig wrote:Who are the maybes?
What's the point of asking?
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On June 05 2015 08:58 Mig wrote:So that I at least have an idea on who has a reputation as being good at town without having to read everyone's past games 5 minutes into day1.
Artanis can be pretty good. I think my reputation is not that bad either.
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On June 05 2015 09:00 marvellosity wrote:
Artanis? Ewww
On June 05 2015 09:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 08:58 Mig wrote:On June 05 2015 08:54 justanothertownie wrote:
What's the point of asking? So that I at least have an idea on who has a reputation as being good at town without having to read everyone's past games 5 minutes into day1. Artanis can be pretty good.
:p
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That's a pretty good case this far into the game. I like it.
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On June 05 2015 14:49 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 14:36 Chezinu wrote:On June 05 2015 14:33 prplhz wrote:
Chezinu's posts are sort of readable this game? side effects from champion game.. I've been wounded with sanity. Thinking about it, this feels like sort of an excuse for something Chezinu shouldn't be apologizing for. I know it's jokey "wounded with sanity", but this is an excuse, this is a "sorry I'm acting differently but it's because of this and that". Chezinu usually don't really care what people think about him or how he posts, why is he suddenly making excuses? ##Vote Chezinu
If the case on mig is "meh" then this is a at best a giant load of crap.
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On June 05 2015 15:16 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 15:03 justanothertownie wrote:On June 05 2015 14:49 prplhz wrote:On June 05 2015 14:36 Chezinu wrote:On June 05 2015 14:33 prplhz wrote:
Chezinu's posts are sort of readable this game? side effects from champion game.. I've been wounded with sanity. Thinking about it, this feels like sort of an excuse for something Chezinu shouldn't be apologizing for. I know it's jokey "wounded with sanity", but this is an excuse, this is a "sorry I'm acting differently but it's because of this and that". Chezinu usually don't really care what people think about him or how he posts, why is he suddenly making excuses? ##Vote Chezinu If the case on mig is "meh" then this is a at best a giant load of crap.  no
Well, if chez happens to be mafia then this is certainly not why. You should be happy if his posts are somewhat readable this game.
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On June 05 2015 15:39 prplhz wrote:
you're literally saying that chez making excuses for a playstyle change that makes him easier for town to deal with is not scummy
that's literally what you're saying
Well first of all it was hardly an excuse and second of all yes, if it was then that is literally what I am saying.
@Yamato: If you think I am missing something feel free to point it out. Asking me if I care about their alignment is pretty pointless.
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On June 05 2015 15:54 Mig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2015 10:04 NaCl`y wrote:@MigYour entrance is simply the most underwhelming so far. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 08:50 Mig wrote:
Been awhile since I have played, is Marv still good? Anyone else known as a good townie that's playing? Yamamato still incredibly hard headed? Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 08:52 Mig wrote:On June 05 2015 08:51 justanothertownie wrote:
Yes. Maybe. Yes. Who are the maybes? Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 08:58 Mig wrote:On June 05 2015 08:54 justanothertownie wrote:
What's the point of asking? So that I at least have an idea on who has a reputation as being good at town without having to read everyone's past games 5 minutes into day1. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 09:12 Mig wrote:I am sad yamato hasnt replied to me. On June 05 2015 09:00 NaCl`y wrote:
##vote: Mig Any reasoning? It strikes me as someone that does not know what to post and you simply want to blend in asking useless questions. Questions such as "Who plays well as town?" are very evident as the game obviously progresses. I find it hard to believe that your alternate would be to dive people's last 5 games to find out. It is not wholly relevant to the game at all. Furthermore, I find that over the course of your previous games you tend to open aggressively as town whereas you just try and fit in and make peace or ask pointless questions as mafia. If anyone else would like to see if this is true, take a look for yourself: + Show Spoiler [Mig] +Excluding the PYP games, you almost always start with either a case, solid game logic or some kind of aggressive post. Your 2 mafia games in the aforementioned spoiler (most recent ones) you start off with a silly question to Kurumi or a mediocre afk excuse followed by a meek defence else. I think you are mafia. Well first of all my question wasnt useless. It gives me at least a baseline to judge someone from. I know marv is a smart player so if he says something illogical I know there is a good chance he is bullshitting and isnt town. In the same way if someone has a reputation as being a strong town and they arent contributing it would raise red flags. For the meta case, meh. I think in general as mafia I don't know what to do and I more just try to blend in. I was the first person to actually ask a question instead of bullshitting about chickens. I could have much more easily just done nothing since if you look at my past games I often times only make a few posts on day1 as town.
You just validated the meta read instead of rebutting the case. Usually you start the game commenting about someones alignment as town while your first posts here indeed look like you are trying to blend in. If you usually do not post much as town then why bother writing things like that all of a sudden.
Btw., you won't catch marv if you look for illogical statements to determine his alignment.
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On June 05 2015 16:34 Mig wrote:
How is being the first person to actually ask something I find to be relevant blending in? Especially when people are retarded and say things like "mig planning his night kills" "it is useless asking whether someone is good at town". I would be more likely to say nothing when everyone is bullshitting instead of actually attempting to create discussion if I were mafia.
If what you asked was relevant is debatable. It also does not serve as a good duscusdion starter at all. Fact is compared to your towngames your posts lack opinions and are rather shallow. Asking for opinions on people that have done nothing so far is also not helpful.
I think regardless of your alignment you will not be able to defend against this so if you are town you should probably post something more productive instead.
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On June 05 2015 17:01 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 16:53 justanothertownie wrote:
If what you asked was relevant is debatable. It also does not serve as a good duscusdion starter at all. Fact is compared to your towngames your posts lack opinions and are rather shallow. Asking for opinions on people that have done nothing so far is also not helpful.
I think regardless of your alignment you will not be able to defend against this so if you are town you should probably post something more productive instead. It was relevant to me, I don't really care if you agree. And anyway retarded to complain that it isnt a good discussion starter when you compare it to what else was in the thread (nothing) and the fact that it actually has lead to discussion. I am not asking for your opinions on fuba/artanis. Asking for them to give their opinions on what is happening.
Ah, misreas that fuba/artanis thing. Still asking for their opinions is also not helpful. My complaining is not retarded because noone is trying to sell that the early trolling is valuable for the game while you are trying to justify your stuff this way.
@Yamato: No idea what your problem is. It should be apparent that I do not think the interactions tells us anything about chez alignment. Accusing him the way he did does not look good for prplhz but there is nothing to pressure here. In fact I would argue that me going against mig is the most pressure anyone in this game has applied so far btw.
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On June 05 2015 17:16 Mig wrote:
Ah ok I wont ask for anyone's reads or opinions since it isnt "helpful". Better instead to let people sit around and do nothing.
You have spent your entire time arguing with a townie, much more helpful.
I argued with you telling the thread why I think you are scummy. You asked people who aren't here to post something. I will let other people decide whats more helpful.
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On June 05 2015 17:24 Mig wrote:
It doesn't matter what people decide is more helpful, my statement is a fact.
Anyway besides me who do you think is the most likely to be scum?
I do not think anyone else has been noteworthy scummy so far.
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On June 05 2015 17:29 Mig wrote:
Only scum read is a town and you told me you were good at town.
You don't have a problem with fecal asking someone if the case against me was good and claiming to have not read it when there was 3 pages of content?
Not really. It is pretty stupid but not scummy.
The bolded seems to imply that you think I am town btw. and insulting my townplay will not make me think you are town.
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On June 05 2015 17:58 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 17:47 justanothertownie wrote:
The bolded seems to imply that you think I am town btw. and insulting my townplay will not make me think you are town. So yea either 1) you overstated your town ability which is why you can't see that I am town or 2) you are mafia. Leaning towards 1 atm.
See, if you think things like this are good contributions to the game I might have overestimated your town ability. But whatever this conversation is at a point where it doesn't serve a purpose anymore. If you are town come back later when you have interesting things to say.
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On June 05 2015 18:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 17:08 Mig wrote:
In my experience the people who are active enough to be around right after the game starts and are posting jokes but then disappear once any actual discussion happens are more likely to be mafia. Some of us delicate flowers need their beauty sleep T.T not that I have anything to add up to the point of this post regardless
Maybe marv is mafia.
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On June 05 2015 18:44 marvellosity wrote:
grats on 10k ^^
I've got a good shot at breaking 30k this game :x
Thanks I guess. You better do break it because you already look like mafia.
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On June 05 2015 18:51 marvellosity wrote:
I don't really care, sweetie. If you think I look like mafia because I have nothing to say about a few pages where nothing has happened except you arguing with Mig then your opinion is tripe anyway.
People who have something important to say at this stage only have something to say because they think the uninteresting things they have to say are interesting, which they are not.
tldr of the whole thing around Mig: meta-point looks valid but his play doesn't look like mafia in the thread. Ok so that's that.
Commented on boxerfred. That's that.
yamato/chez/slam/prplhz/whoever else has posted - is there really anything to say about it? Not really. Maybe Slam looks a little town?
tldr: you are bad and saying i look like mafia for not having insights of gold in a thread that's barely started is dumb.
That's all fine and not the reason for my read.
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On June 05 2015 18:58 marvellosity wrote:
fine then you're just bad, because nothing else worthy can possibly be the basis for your read.
glad we got that settled.
Yes, it can and if you are mafia I am totally claiming mad cred. If you aren't you will probably convince me I am wrong later. Win-win.
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On June 05 2015 19:01 marvellosity wrote:
whatever. i've not got the patience anymore, i won't talk to you again unless i think you are mafia.
We both know you will totally talk to me. Its not like I will just keep calling you scum.
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On June 05 2015 19:03 marvellosity wrote:
someone say something?
i just felt some dogturd-style shiver go down my spine.
Its fine. Just a symptom of being incredibly mafia. ^^
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On June 05 2015 19:29 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 19:03 justanothertownie wrote:On June 05 2015 19:01 marvellosity wrote:
whatever. i've not got the patience anymore, i won't talk to you again unless i think you are mafia. We both know you will totally talk to me. Its not like I will just keep calling you scum. How do you know you're going to change your read on him?
That's not what I am saying. My point is that I will discuss things with him regardless of my read on him/I will not ignore his stuff because some of his first posts look scummy to me.
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On June 05 2015 20:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Marv is probably town for reasons JAT would hate.
You will never know unless you tell me the reasons you have.
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On June 05 2015 20:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 20:56 justanothertownie wrote:On June 05 2015 20:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Marv is probably town for reasons JAT would hate.
You will never know unless you tell me the reasons you have. He's actually putting in a bit of effort after rolling scum last game. I'd imagine he'd just roll over and die this game.
Ok, you are right - I hate it. What he has done so far barely qualifies as effort.
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Not to mention that the scumgame you are talking about was short, not very stressing for him and has been over for weeks now.
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I do not hate those kind of reasons at all - they can be totally valid. But it doesn't applyvin this case at all. Btw why is it risky for prplhz to go after chez? Don't say chezinu rule because if you do you just prove that you do not actually know the chezinu rule.
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Sounds to me like you are talking out of your ass tbh. :/
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But I will concede the hate point to you. It is completely irrelevant though.
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Let's just say Artanis is not impressing me by throwing poorly reasoned townreads around.
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On June 06 2015 00:25 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 00:21 NaCl`y wrote:@MigOn June 05 2015 15:54 Mig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2015 10:04 NaCl`y wrote:@MigYour entrance is simply the most underwhelming so far. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 08:50 Mig wrote:
Been awhile since I have played, is Marv still good? Anyone else known as a good townie that's playing? Yamamato still incredibly hard headed? Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 08:52 Mig wrote:On June 05 2015 08:51 justanothertownie wrote:
Yes. Maybe. Yes. Who are the maybes? Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 08:58 Mig wrote:On June 05 2015 08:54 justanothertownie wrote:
What's the point of asking? So that I at least have an idea on who has a reputation as being good at town without having to read everyone's past games 5 minutes into day1. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 09:12 Mig wrote:I am sad yamato hasnt replied to me. On June 05 2015 09:00 NaCl`y wrote:
##vote: Mig Any reasoning? It strikes me as someone that does not know what to post and you simply want to blend in asking useless questions. Questions such as "Who plays well as town?" are very evident as the game obviously progresses. I find it hard to believe that your alternate would be to dive people's last 5 games to find out. It is not wholly relevant to the game at all. Furthermore, I find that over the course of your previous games you tend to open aggressively as town whereas you just try and fit in and make peace or ask pointless questions as mafia. If anyone else would like to see if this is true, take a look for yourself: + Show Spoiler [Mig] +Excluding the PYP games, you almost always start with either a case, solid game logic or some kind of aggressive post. Your 2 mafia games in the aforementioned spoiler (most recent ones) you start off with a silly question to Kurumi or a mediocre afk excuse followed by a meek defence else. I think you are mafia. Well first of all my question wasnt useless. It gives me at least a baseline to judge someone from. I know marv is a smart player so if he says something illogical I know there is a good chance he is bullshitting and isnt town. In the same way if someone has a reputation as being a strong town and they arent contributing it would raise red flags. For the meta case, meh. I think in general as mafia I don't know what to do and I more just try to blend in. I was the first person to actually ask a question instead of bullshitting about chickens. I could have much more easily just done nothing since if you look at my past games I often times only make a few posts on day1 as town. Many people say illogical things. I don't think it's relevant to ask that question since if someone says something illogical in this game you pry them for more information regardless of if they play well or not in general. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. Ignoring our clearly differing opinions, however, you seems to just be asking people for their thoughts and this has happened repeatedly: here Fecalfeast, do you have any thoughts so far? Every post has been useless. here Thoughts from Artanis/fuba? Both around early on to joke but havent commented on anything that has happened. here
Anyway besides me who do you think is the most likely to be scum?
You mention several times that mafia like to do certain things like post jokes at the start and then just afk but then never really relate any of that to anyone in this game. Why is that? You have got a vendetta sir. How am I not scummy? I always wonder why I am not pushed early in these games with folks who don't know me. UNLESS YOU ARE VER by the way, my job irl is literally dealing with the problems caused by Na in the soils of California...
This smurf probably knows you.
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It might be geript again. Who knows.
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On June 06 2015 00:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 00:21 NaCl`y wrote:
Many people say illogical things. I don't think it's relevant to ask that question since if someone says something illogical in this game you pry them for more information regardless of if they play well or not in general. That's just the way the cookie crumbles.
You seem to type well but i'm not sure how you can genuinely believe this? It's a basic tenet of mafia that you have (often wildly) different expectations for different players. There are things 90% of the playerbase could get away with saying as mafia but I couldn't. *That* is the way the cookie crumbles.
Poor mafia fish in the sky 
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On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me?
Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote.
I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all.
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On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper.
If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis.
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On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe.
I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad.
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On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears.
There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl.
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On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves.
Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me.
On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no.
Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER.
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On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious.
Why would you ever think that? Why would he ever point that out if he really thinks that? As town he would never point it out if he thinks it is a crumb. As scum he would also never do it and instead just kill you.
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On June 06 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. Why would you ever think that? Why would he ever point that out if he really thinks that? As town he would never point it out if he thinks it is a crumb. As scum he would also never do it and instead just kill you. I mean AFTER he points it out it should be obvious to anyone that knows my alignment for CERTAIN as I've already mentioned I think marv is town.
No. Why on earth would that be obvious? Just no.
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On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread.
Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process.
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On June 06 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:
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Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote.
I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:
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More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:
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Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote.
I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:
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More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:
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If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. Why would you ever think that? Why would he ever point that out if he really thinks that? As town he would never point it out if he thinks it is a crumb. As scum he would also never do it and instead just kill you. I mean AFTER he points it out it should be obvious to anyone that knows my alignment for CERTAIN as I've already mentioned I think marv is town. No. Why on earth would that be obvious? Just no. People seem to pick up on way less and I never read blues well so yeah. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:47 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. At no point did you ever mention the word jail. Marvellosity had only ever mentioned that your usage of the word lock did not make sense with the phrase that you had said beforehand in regards to Mig. It is facetious that you could make us believe that mafia would be "onto you" from that phrase alone. The phrase jail had never existed with your posts up until you had claimed jailkeeper. Believe it or not, it's what I believed at the time and I still think it's likely I would've been found. There was also a certain amount of yolo involved given how slow the thread was going and I was bored.
There is no reason to claim now if you think you would have been found. 0 reason. The only possible reason to claim is if you really thought you were getting lynched and I refuse to believe that a guy that has never been mislynched thinks he cannot avoid the lynch when he has 1 vote half way through day1. If you think you have maybe been found out you claim at the end of night 1 maybe but not earlier in case you have NOT been found out. There is no upside to claiming in your position as town.
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On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims?
It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all.
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On June 06 2015 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:54 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:
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I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:
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I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:
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There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. Why would you ever think that? Why would he ever point that out if he really thinks that? As town he would never point it out if he thinks it is a crumb. As scum he would also never do it and instead just kill you. I mean AFTER he points it out it should be obvious to anyone that knows my alignment for CERTAIN as I've already mentioned I think marv is town. No. Why on earth would that be obvious? Just no. People seem to pick up on way less and I never read blues well so yeah. On June 06 2015 07:47 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:
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Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote.
I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:
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More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:
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Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote.
I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:
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More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:
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If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. At no point did you ever mention the word jail. Marvellosity had only ever mentioned that your usage of the word lock did not make sense with the phrase that you had said beforehand in regards to Mig. It is facetious that you could make us believe that mafia would be "onto you" from that phrase alone. The phrase jail had never existed with your posts up until you had claimed jailkeeper. Believe it or not, it's what I believed at the time and I still think it's likely I would've been found. There was also a certain amount of yolo involved given how slow the thread was going and I was bored. There is no reason to claim now if you think you would have been found. 0 reason. The only possible reason to claim is if you really thought you were getting lynched and I refuse to believe that a guy that has never been mislynched thinks he cannot avoid the lynch when he has 1 vote half way through day1. If you think you have maybe been found out you claim at the end of night 1 maybe but not earlier in case you have NOT been found out. There is no upside to claiming in your position as town. Sure there is; eliminating myself from the lynch pool and discussion so we can talk about people that can actually be mafia. Plus it caused the thread to actually get out of the drag.
You are not bad enough to think that this is justification enough to claim this role. Nope.
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On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all. Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you
No, it is just not obviously a crumb in hindsight.
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On June 06 2015 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:54 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:
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Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me.
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Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. Why would you ever think that? Why would he ever point that out if he really thinks that? As town he would never point it out if he thinks it is a crumb. As scum he would also never do it and instead just kill you. I mean AFTER he points it out it should be obvious to anyone that knows my alignment for CERTAIN as I've already mentioned I think marv is town. No. Why on earth would that be obvious? Just no. People seem to pick up on way less and I never read blues well so yeah. On June 06 2015 07:47 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:
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I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:
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I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:
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There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. At no point did you ever mention the word jail. Marvellosity had only ever mentioned that your usage of the word lock did not make sense with the phrase that you had said beforehand in regards to Mig. It is facetious that you could make us believe that mafia would be "onto you" from that phrase alone. The phrase jail had never existed with your posts up until you had claimed jailkeeper. Believe it or not, it's what I believed at the time and I still think it's likely I would've been found. There was also a certain amount of yolo involved given how slow the thread was going and I was bored. There is no reason to claim now if you think you would have been found. 0 reason. The only possible reason to claim is if you really thought you were getting lynched and I refuse to believe that a guy that has never been mislynched thinks he cannot avoid the lynch when he has 1 vote half way through day1. If you think you have maybe been found out you claim at the end of night 1 maybe but not earlier in case you have NOT been found out. There is no upside to claiming in your position as town. Sure there is; eliminating myself from the lynch pool and discussion so we can talk about people that can actually be mafia. Plus it caused the thread to actually get out of the drag. You are not bad enough to think that this is justification enough to claim this role. Nope. It is when you add in the fact that I thought and still think mafia knew already at that point. Whether you believe that or not is up to you.
I don't.
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On June 06 2015 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:02 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:58 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:54 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:47 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:44 justanothertownie wrote:
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Why would you ever think that? Why would he ever point that out if he really thinks that? As town he would never point it out if he thinks it is a crumb. As scum he would also never do it and instead just kill you. I mean AFTER he points it out it should be obvious to anyone that knows my alignment for CERTAIN as I've already mentioned I think marv is town. No. Why on earth would that be obvious? Just no. People seem to pick up on way less and I never read blues well so yeah. On June 06 2015 07:47 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:
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Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me.
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Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. How does lock and jail not make sense together? When marv pointed it out so strongly I figured it was obvious. At no point did you ever mention the word jail. Marvellosity had only ever mentioned that your usage of the word lock did not make sense with the phrase that you had said beforehand in regards to Mig. It is facetious that you could make us believe that mafia would be "onto you" from that phrase alone. The phrase jail had never existed with your posts up until you had claimed jailkeeper. Believe it or not, it's what I believed at the time and I still think it's likely I would've been found. There was also a certain amount of yolo involved given how slow the thread was going and I was bored. There is no reason to claim now if you think you would have been found. 0 reason. The only possible reason to claim is if you really thought you were getting lynched and I refuse to believe that a guy that has never been mislynched thinks he cannot avoid the lynch when he has 1 vote half way through day1. If you think you have maybe been found out you claim at the end of night 1 maybe but not earlier in case you have NOT been found out. There is no upside to claiming in your position as town. Sure there is; eliminating myself from the lynch pool and discussion so we can talk about people that can actually be mafia. Plus it caused the thread to actually get out of the drag. You are not bad enough to think that this is justification enough to claim this role. Nope. It is when you add in the fact that I thought and still think mafia knew already at that point. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. I don't. Then vote me and be done with it. I've explained it from my side and if that doesn't convince you then there's no point continuing this exchange.
Sounds like a plan.
##Vote: Artanis[Xp]
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On June 06 2015 08:03 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all. Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you No, it is just not obviously a crumb in hindsight. then what else is it, exactly? how do you interpret his crumb claim if he's mafia?
On June 06 2015 08:03 yamato77 wrote:
2) covering his ass by making up a claim out of some odd sentence he posted
Look, I already explained why this claim makes no sense as town. It DOES make sense as mafia though. I can never see town Artanis be sure about getting lynched in his situation but for mafia Artanis I can. What he achieved by claiming is outing our protective role which is already pretty good and if people like you get their will he might even survive the day.
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Or alternatively we might not even have a protective role and he can just cruise as long as we do not lynch him.
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On June 06 2015 08:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
wait that's not me
lol
FecalAuthority
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Ok, tell me:
1) Why would scum NaCl counterclaim if they can shoot town artanis in the night?
2) How on earth does Artanis play make sense from a town pov? Do you think he is usually a pretty stupid guy?
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On June 06 2015 08:45 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, tell me:
1) Why would scum NaCl counterclaim if they can shoot town artanis in the night?
2) How on earth does Artanis play make sense from a town pov? Do you think he is usually a pretty stupid guy? No but I just said, the narrative of him being town, having his crumb outed, being scum read by marvellosity (who will probably get his lynch d1) and then being all frustrated and martyring and hard claiming shit, that sort of fits. Do you think scum would have done all this if they could have avoided it? This is pretty extraordinary.
In no world does a town Artanis who has never been mislynched fear being mislynched by what he thinks is a town marvellosity half way through day1.
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On June 06 2015 08:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
i really dont see whats so unbelievable about jailkeeper/doctor tbh. if there is another blue then it is pretty ridiculous but just the 2 on their own is not a big deal. I would probably give mafia something like roleblocker/vig and call it a day.
Btw. concerning this: If there you are another blue - DO NOT CLAIM. We will lynch Artanis without the need for another claim.
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If there is/If you are*
:/
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Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today.
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If NaCl ever rescinds his claim later he will be lynched though. If you counterclaimed as VT or something like this stop it immediately.
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On June 06 2015 10:56 prplhz wrote:
one thing to remember is that this game features notifications so artanis can jail someone and they'll get notified of this.
Yes, and scum might have a roleblocker so it would not confirm anything.
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On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote:Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote:On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote:
boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal?
Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfredGotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk.
Holy shit, I hate this post. Especially the bolded.
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On June 06 2015 14:04 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. I don't have to explain shit to you I do as I damn well please
Yes, you actually have to. If you are town and want to win that is. I am town and I WILL lynch artanis today. So if you have reason to think he isctown you need to tell them. If you do not have a reason like that/if you cannot refute my case on artanis there is no excuse for voting anyone else.
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On June 06 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Mig: the context is all in my posts, my patience levels are even lower than what they used to be, I have nothing further to add
what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly
like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely
that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway.
soooo......
Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either.
Yes, fuba is probably scum too but it is far less certain.
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On June 06 2015 19:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay has anyone said anything new? I'm tired of reading 8 pages of people calling my play terrible. I'm aware of it. Sometimes townies do terrible things. It happens.
You are getting lynched. If you are town and did terrible things I would expect you to have no problem with putting in an effort to prevent this ir at least try to solce the game/leave a legacy before. Instead you don't even seem willing to analyse the people pushing on you or to even read the thread. Die, scum.
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On June 06 2015 20:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 20:05 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 19:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Okay has anyone said anything new? I'm tired of reading 8 pages of people calling my play terrible. I'm aware of it. Sometimes townies do terrible things. It happens. You are getting lynched. If you are town and did terrible things I would expect you to have no problem with putting in an effort to prevent this ir at least try to solce the game/leave a legacy before. Instead you don't even seem willing to analyse the people pushing on you or to even read the thread. Die, scum. I did terrible things, but you don't have to be a dick and hammer that home every god damn page. Your position is clear and the way you keep going about it is actually really demotivating.
Well, boo fucking hoo. And yes, I need to hammer it in because you are scum and not terrible. Claiming to be demotivated by that now is of course awfully convenient.
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On June 06 2015 20:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 20:02 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Mig: the context is all in my posts, my patience levels are even lower than what they used to be, I have nothing further to add
what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly
like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely
that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway.
soooo......
Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either. Yes, fuba is probably scum too but it is far less certain. not necessarily sure that's true i'd at least like to see what artanis manages today
Sure, that's fine. He is very demitivated though because I am being mean to him.
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Btw. If it is so demotivating for him to be attacked by me he has to be pretty damn certain that I am town. Where does this come from all of a sudden? I was like the only scumread I ever heard and from his perspective all that changed since then is that I am hardpushing the claimed JK.
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On June 06 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote:
Does mafia KP = 1 mean KP is factional and leaves room for the possibility of a mafia vigi, or is it 1 maximum?
Btw. you know this won't be answered, right? I also don't understand what kind of answer you would expect to that.
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On June 06 2015 20:51 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 20:50 marvellosity wrote:
if it's gonna tell us mafia KP is 1, i think we can be told what that means in precise terms probably means mafia factional kp is 1? setup is closed so i doubt you'll get much more out of bugs anyway, OP says that questions should be PMd and questions in thread will be ignored
Exactly. I mean feel free to pm bugs and tell us if you find something out I guess...
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On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote:
Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game.
Yeah, so strange. Or maybe it is not strange because I didn't call out anybody else for it either and there have been plenty of people trying to justify it (and people really should be since lynching a claimed JK IS a big deal - if you analyse the whole claim/read my case there shouldn't be any doubt though). Being wrong does not make anyone mafia on its own.
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On June 07 2015 00:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote:
Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game. Yeah, so strange. Or maybe it is not strange because I didn't call out anybody else for it either and there have been plenty of people trying to justify it (and people really should be since lynching a claimed JK IS a big deal - if you analyse the whole claim/read my case there shouldn't be any doubt though). Being wrong does not make anyone mafia on its own. You're claiming you have no doubt? You believe I'm flipping mafia 100% of the time? Really?
Let's say 95 % of the time.
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On June 07 2015 00:13 marvellosity wrote:
fair warning - it was my bf's birthday yesterday and we're going out for dinner later, so activity will be minimal at best for the rest of the day
Then put your vote on Artanis already.
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##Unvote
Yes, marv might be mafia. Gonna read you yamato bit now.
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On June 07 2015 01:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm just going to claim this was all planned and I read natrium chloride's mind and we made a sick play together that got tons of useful reads worth more than my role.
Yes, that's it.
I am not going to lynch a uncced JK but if you are town you should be ashamed of your play.
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On June 07 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
boring. maybe you should lynch me then, that would be fun.
i don't really understand why jat thinks i might be mafia though.
I had the feeling since your first posts and your reaction to the claims HAS been pretty weird in the sense that you agreed with my logic but still did not join my wagon and went for this lurker scumread on Fuba instead. And like salty said this mod question is just really really strange.
Why do you understand other people scumreading you but not me?
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On June 07 2015 01:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You have made that abundantly clear already JAT. I'm not sure it was necessary to mention again.
Yes it was
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On June 07 2015 01:11 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:06 marvellosity wrote:Fuba is such a cop out lynch and not something I think he'd be doing. i do this sort of thing all the time. so either you don't know my play at all, or you're just trying to guess how i'd play. both options suck. While you may lynch people like that "all the time" that is because you have simply eliminated the possibility of other people being mafia through repeated interactions and thinking. Something that is severely lacking from you in this game. I do not believe you call Artanis[Xp] confirmed mafia for his claim with the provision that you'll leave him alone unless someone counterclaims him: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
yeah i guess unless someone hard counterclaims you, that might be a good idea. and then see a counterclaim yet still call him possibly mafia but not want to lynch him 10,000 times over when this would pander to your ego for finding him.
Agreed. Except for the ego thing maybe.
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On June 07 2015 01:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:08 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
boring. maybe you should lynch me then, that would be fun.
i don't really understand why jat thinks i might be mafia though. I had the feeling since your first posts and your reaction to the claims HAS been pretty weird in the sense that you agreed with my logic but still did not join my wagon and went for this lurker scumread on Fuba instead. And like salty said this mod question is just really really strange. Why do you understand other people scumreading you but not me? because i've not done very much, but usually you have been quite good at picking up on my tone as town, so i thought you would have in this instance too. also you know (re: getting on artanis' wagon) that i can be swayed by a logical argument but still not "feel it" as much as i maybe should. (or in fact shouldn't, given how things have turned out - seems i was right. being scumread for being right in the end would be annoying)
Yes, it would be annoying but you were not right. You called my stuff convincing which means you thought Artanis was more than likely mafia. I don't know what's not to feel about that when you called him mafia BEFORE the counterclaim and then a counterclaim happens but you still do not want to lynch Artanis.
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On June 07 2015 01:14 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
##Unvote
Yes, marv might be mafia. Gonna read you yamato bit now. Tell me what you think about this.
I think I agree with you. Yamato never shows any doubt about the claims which is extremely irritating. And "lynch the jk, fine. I will have nothing to do with it though" also smells.
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On June 07 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:15 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 01:12 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2015 01:08 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
boring. maybe you should lynch me then, that would be fun.
i don't really understand why jat thinks i might be mafia though. I had the feeling since your first posts and your reaction to the claims HAS been pretty weird in the sense that you agreed with my logic but still did not join my wagon and went for this lurker scumread on Fuba instead. And like salty said this mod question is just really really strange. Why do you understand other people scumreading you but not me? because i've not done very much, but usually you have been quite good at picking up on my tone as town, so i thought you would have in this instance too. also you know (re: getting on artanis' wagon) that i can be swayed by a logical argument but still not "feel it" as much as i maybe should. (or in fact shouldn't, given how things have turned out - seems i was right. being scumread for being right in the end would be annoying) Yes, it would be annoying but you were not right. You called my stuff convincing which means you thought Artanis was more than likely mafia. I don't know what's not to feel about that when you called him mafia BEFORE the counterclaim and then a counterclaim happens but you still do not want to lynch Artanis. so why would i play like that as mafia??? set up my lynch and then not go for it, for free, when you give me an ironclad argument i can vote on, and i will never, ever, ever come under scrutiny because i attacked artanis first? i don't get the logic
Because you KNOW that Artanis is town and are cautious because if you also know that NaCl is town then you know something is up.
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On June 07 2015 01:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:21 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2015 01:15 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 01:12 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2015 01:08 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
boring. maybe you should lynch me then, that would be fun.
i don't really understand why jat thinks i might be mafia though. I had the feeling since your first posts and your reaction to the claims HAS been pretty weird in the sense that you agreed with my logic but still did not join my wagon and went for this lurker scumread on Fuba instead. And like salty said this mod question is just really really strange. Why do you understand other people scumreading you but not me? because i've not done very much, but usually you have been quite good at picking up on my tone as town, so i thought you would have in this instance too. also you know (re: getting on artanis' wagon) that i can be swayed by a logical argument but still not "feel it" as much as i maybe should. (or in fact shouldn't, given how things have turned out - seems i was right. being scumread for being right in the end would be annoying) Yes, it would be annoying but you were not right. You called my stuff convincing which means you thought Artanis was more than likely mafia. I don't know what's not to feel about that when you called him mafia BEFORE the counterclaim and then a counterclaim happens but you still do not want to lynch Artanis. so why would i play like that as mafia??? set up my lynch and then not go for it, for free, when you give me an ironclad argument i can vote on, and i will never, ever, ever come under scrutiny because i attacked artanis first? i don't get the logic Because you KNOW that Artanis is town and are cautious because if you also know that NaCl is town then you know something is up. you believe this? fine. that's ludicrous, but ok. whatever floats your boat.
I will probably not go for your lynch today if only because you claimed that you would be afk later. But I have more doubts about you then I would expect if you are town and it is really unsettling.
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On June 07 2015 01:42 marvellosity wrote:
because you're a baddie.
I guess that's another word for badass. Nice.
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On June 07 2015 01:46 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 23:26 fuba wrote:On June 06 2015 16:34 prplhz wrote:
@fuba What do you think about marvellosity's read on boxerfred? The read where he says bf's opening sounds different than bf's newbie mafia game? I think it sounds like barely a read. Is that supposed to dissuade me from thinking he could be scum? On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote:On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote:
boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal?
Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfredGotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. Holy shit, I hate this post. Especially the bolded.
Case in point.
On June 06 2015 20:05 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 19:19 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote:Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote:On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote:
boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal?
Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfredGotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. Holy shit, I hate this post. Especially the bolded. well I said "I tend to no-lynch" not that I would do it straight away. Fuba why so hard on me when I push yamato the slightiest?
Also ignoring what I said, and simply suggesting that the entire thing is a defense of yamato.
brb shower[/QUOTE]
I'm indeed ignoring what you're saying since I don't feel like it has any ground. I don't exactly understand why you say that a "tend to no-lynch" after saying "That guy might be scum" is scummy if it is not for some constructed reasons, trying to get a mis-lynch on a townie. I tend to no-lynch on D1 because it simply makes sense. The probability of hitting a town is way higher than hitting a scum member. I guess you know that. So while I have a scum read on yamato, that scum read is not built on like a rock solid ground but is more a first impression that I'll try to get a grip upon later on. Just like I did when I said "Why are you jumping on me, pulling attention on me instead of my read on yamato?" - Well, instead of replying to that, you just say "LOOK HE'S IGNORING MY WORDS", still shifting attention away from yamato (who seldomly posts anyways) to, oh look, me again.
So. You don't like the bolded part, alright? Well shame, deal with it. On D1, there's no evidence or indications of anything in general besides someone's posts. D1 is the day where (IMHO) scum can just lay back, chill the fuck out and jump on the first guy they feel is probably being mislynched. So BOOM ##unvote ##vote no-lynch until I find a case or create a case which seems to be worth a vote.
I might change my vote lateron though, I did not yet find the time to read through that Artanis story. Weekend with kids do that to people. [/QUOTE]
A no-lynch day1 is far worse for town than a mislynch. Just sayin.
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On June 07 2015 01:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You're saying this level of involvement is par for the course for town marv? i'm saying my reactions or otherwise to the claims are nothing to do with my level of involvement
Is it weird that your level of involvement concerns me far less then your reaction to the claims? :p
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Why is it generally hard (especially for new players) to find a good lynch day1? Because there is no hard information. If you no-lynch then you just postpone this problem towards day2 wasting not only a chance to kill scum (and lynching is the only way for town to do this generally) but also vital information from wagons.
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On June 07 2015 03:30 Mig wrote:
JAT/nac/artanis who are you guys going to vote for? You are half assedly accusing marv are you voting him?
Don't really know yet. Will think about in a while. I had hopes that people would maybe start doing things now on their own but apparently I was wrong.
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On June 07 2015 03:58 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 00:32 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 07 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote:
Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game. Yeah, so strange. Or maybe it is not strange because I didn't call out anybody else for it either and there have been plenty of people trying to justify it (and people really should be since lynching a claimed JK IS a big deal - if you analyse the whole claim/read my case there shouldn't be any doubt though). Being wrong does not make anyone mafia on its own. You're claiming you have no doubt? You believe I'm flipping mafia 100% of the time? Really? Let's say 95 % of the time. Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
##Unvote
Yes, marv might be mafia. Gonna read you yamato bit now. what happened in those 30 minutes that made you go from 95% to unvote
Is this a serious question?
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On June 07 2015 04:14 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 03:58 prplhz wrote:On June 07 2015 00:32 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 07 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote:
Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game. Yeah, so strange. Or maybe it is not strange because I didn't call out anybody else for it either and there have been plenty of people trying to justify it (and people really should be since lynching a claimed JK IS a big deal - if you analyse the whole claim/read my case there shouldn't be any doubt though). Being wrong does not make anyone mafia on its own. You're claiming you have no doubt? You believe I'm flipping mafia 100% of the time? Really? Let's say 95 % of the time. On June 07 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
##Unvote
Yes, marv might be mafia. Gonna read you yamato bit now. what happened in those 30 minutes that made you go from 95% to unvote Is this a serious question? yes
So you missed that NaCl unclaimed? Am I supposed to believe this?
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On June 07 2015 04:15 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 04:15 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 04:14 prplhz wrote:On June 07 2015 04:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 03:58 prplhz wrote:On June 07 2015 00:32 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 07 2015 00:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote:
Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game. Yeah, so strange. Or maybe it is not strange because I didn't call out anybody else for it either and there have been plenty of people trying to justify it (and people really should be since lynching a claimed JK IS a big deal - if you analyse the whole claim/read my case there shouldn't be any doubt though). Being wrong does not make anyone mafia on its own. You're claiming you have no doubt? You believe I'm flipping mafia 100% of the time? Really? Let's say 95 % of the time. On June 07 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
##Unvote
Yes, marv might be mafia. Gonna read you yamato bit now. what happened in those 30 minutes that made you go from 95% to unvote Is this a serious question? yes So you missed that NaCl unclaimed? Am I supposed to believe this? so that's the only reason you went from 95% to unvote? the unclaim?
Yes.
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On June 07 2015 04:40 prplhz wrote:Okay justanothertownie. So your scum read on Artanis[Xp] is almost solely based on him being counterclaimed by NaCl`y. You do not believe there can be two protective roles in this game so one of them has to be scum and it's probably not the counter claimer. This is your reasoning. Then why do you Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 09:13 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 08:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
i really dont see whats so unbelievable about jailkeeper/doctor tbh. if there is another blue then it is pretty ridiculous but just the 2 on their own is not a big deal. I would probably give mafia something like roleblocker/vig and call it a day. Btw. concerning this: If there you are another blue - DO NOT CLAIM. We will lynch Artanis without the need for another claim. say that no one else should counter claim? It seems like you're either seriously considering that there could be more than one protective role, while also wanting to lynch Artanis[Xp] because you don't think there could be another blue? Also your reaction to NaCl`y's unclaim doesn't really fit with Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 10:56 justanothertownie wrote:
If NaCl ever rescinds his claim later he will be lynched though. If you counterclaimed as VT or something like this stop it immediately.
I said that noone should claim because people were saying they could believe 2 protective roles unless there are more blues. So another blue role could have thought claiming was worth it to get Artanis lynched. This is basic logic and I do not see how you can not get this.
And to the last quote: I said unclaim immediately if you aren't doc and he did. Wtf is your problem?
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And no, my scumread was definitely not based only on the fact that Artanis was counterclaimed but me thinking his play is suspicious or unlikely from a town pov is not enough to lynch an uncced blue day1.
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On June 07 2015 04:52 prplhz wrote:
but you just fucking said the exact opposite
No, it literally didn't.
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On June 07 2015 04:53 prplhz wrote:
and no you didn't say "unclaim immediately"
if you read your post you said "if you unclaim then you should be lynched"
You should read and try to understand the whole post before you accuse me of something stupid.
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On June 07 2015 04:54 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 04:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 04:52 prplhz wrote:
but you just fucking said the exact opposite No, it literally didn't. i asked you why you went from 95% sure to unvoted and you said because the counterclaim was rescinded. so your scum read was based almost exclusively on the counterclaim.
Nope. Incorrect conclusion.
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On June 07 2015 04:55 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 04:54 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 04:53 prplhz wrote:
and no you didn't say "unclaim immediately"
if you read your post you said "if you unclaim then you should be lynched" You should read and try to understand the whole post before you accuse me of something stupid. it's 1 fucking sentence, there's no hidden meaning. "if you unclaim, you will be lynched". that is what you say. what the fuck?
I said "if you unclaim LATER you will be lynched" and then I say "if you are doing this as VT stop it immediately". Are you really unable to read?
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On June 07 2015 04:57 Mig wrote:
So prplhz are you voting JTA? If not this is pointless and a waste of time this close to the deadline.
Everyone just going to ignore me when I ask about fancy feast?. I guess he has a 69% winrate because when hes town he does literally nothing and votes for himself the entire day?
Win rates mean almost nothing. He has been carried as both alignments countless times.
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On June 07 2015 04:59 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 04:56 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 04:55 prplhz wrote:On June 07 2015 04:54 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 04:53 prplhz wrote:
and no you didn't say "unclaim immediately"
if you read your post you said "if you unclaim then you should be lynched" You should read and try to understand the whole post before you accuse me of something stupid. it's 1 fucking sentence, there's no hidden meaning. "if you unclaim, you will be lynched". that is what you say. what the fuck? I said "if you unclaim LATER you will be lynched" and then I say "if you are doing this as VT stop it immediately". Are you really unable to read? and then he proceeded to claim earlier or what? also, can you cut the dumb attitude you're sporting? it's not becoming and frankly sort of ridiculous.
You are being ridiculous and dumb and I will call what you are doing ridiculous and dumb if you keep it up.
Understanding what I did is not exactly rocket science.
I will some it up for you once again because you have such a hard time reading my posts:
I scumread Artanis for two things:
1) His unbelievable claim/my doubts that he would do it as town.
2) The cc.
Without the cc this is not enough to lynch him as potential JK. He could just have a terrible game.
I said if NaCl unclaims LATER as in AFTER WE LYNCH ARTANIS he will get lynched and that he should unclaim immediately if he is VT. He did unclaim immediately so there is no problem. It is not hard to understand why there is a difference between unclaiming now and later, right?
I said blues should not counterclaim because I was pretty certain that I could lynch Artanis without that.
Where exactly is your problem with any of that?
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On June 07 2015 04:59 Mig wrote:
Yea I am more just using it as a conversation piece. How about actually commenting on who you think is scum JTA? Instead of only replying to useless shit.
I will get something to eat and then I will see who I want to lynch. FF can be useless as both alignments but I don't think I would be sad if he died.
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On June 07 2015 05:11 Fecalfeast wrote:
I am caught up now, let's talk about fecalfeast
Nah, I'd rather see you talk about other people.
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On June 07 2015 05:16 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 05:06 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 04:59 prplhz wrote:On June 07 2015 04:56 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 04:55 prplhz wrote:On June 07 2015 04:54 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 04:53 prplhz wrote:
and no you didn't say "unclaim immediately"
if you read your post you said "if you unclaim then you should be lynched" You should read and try to understand the whole post before you accuse me of something stupid. it's 1 fucking sentence, there's no hidden meaning. "if you unclaim, you will be lynched". that is what you say. what the fuck? I said "if you unclaim LATER you will be lynched" and then I say "if you are doing this as VT stop it immediately". Are you really unable to read? and then he proceeded to claim earlier or what? also, can you cut the dumb attitude you're sporting? it's not becoming and frankly sort of ridiculous. You are being ridiculous and dumb and I will call what you are doing ridiculous and dumb if you keep it up. Understanding what I did is not exactly rocket science. I will some it up for you once again because you have such a hard time reading my posts: I scumread Artanis for two things: 1) His unbelievable claim/my doubts that he would do it as town. 2) The cc. Without the cc this is not enough to lynch him as potential JK. He could just have a terrible game. I said if NaCl unclaims LATER as in AFTER WE LYNCH ARTANIS he will get lynched and that he should unclaim immediately if he is VT. He did unclaim immediately so there is no problem. It is not hard to understand why there is a difference between unclaiming now and later, right? I said blues should not counterclaim because I was pretty certain that I could lynch Artanis without that. Where exactly is your problem with any of that? 95% to unvote. that's a pretty long distance. so your scum read on him was based almost solely on counterclaim, because the counterclaim rescind was what made you go from 95% to unvote. yes. how can you not understand that it's confusing that you type "later" but you don't mean "later" as in "later" but instead you mean something else? the "stop counterclaming immediately this game" doesn't even make sense because he already counterclaimed, he can't stop counterclaiming. only thing he can do is rescind. i don't know why you think that me reading your post the way you type it warrants some dumb attitude. i can totally see where artanis is coming from on that.
Yes, stopping the counterclaim=rescind=unclaim, lol. I am glad we cleared that up.
I think I will just ignore you from now on. It is all in my filter and easy to understand. I also just explained it to you again in the post you quoted but you just seem to ignore it. If you can't read I can't make you understand so it isn't worth talking to you.
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On June 07 2015 05:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
k I'll do what I just read:
Slam: townish. Looking at games where he has rolled town in the database, he is exhibiting a similar attitude of fun but inquisitive. His activity is high but honestly I didn't look at his scum games
mig: nullscumish. Maybe I'm reading too much into some of his posts but they seem a bit flustered. He's been poking at the idea of scumming on me for a bit but hasn't put any substance behind it, only continuing to comment and ask minor questions. I don't know if this is alignment indicative for him but to me he feels like he's trying to keep his options wide open. I will have to do a read of his filter soon.
Chez: scumish. He's been here long enough to tell people to scum me and then nothing. I didn't bother to look up meta he is acting anti-town.
prplhz: town. Too much thinking and talking and interacting from what I've seen of prpl's scum games.
I have no idea what this prpl/jat interaction is one sec I will read it
Who do you want to lynch?
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Ok, for now I think I do not want to lynch one of those people today for different reasons:
marv
NaCl
prplhz
Mig
Artanis
Time to see who of the lurky, useless rest would be the best lynch.
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On June 07 2015 05:35 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 05:34 Mig wrote:
I actually think artanis has been utterly worthless, and way way worse than noir mafia. I have no reason to think hes town but I dont think people are going to lynch him after his claim that is uncountered.
Prplhz I am more than willing to discuss jta if you want to lynch him. If you dont then you are wasting what little time we have. Show nested quote +Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. So we planned it now?
Come on man...
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On June 07 2015 05:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 05:29 Mig wrote:
My case against fecal is this,
1) claims not to have read the case against me and asks if it is good when there was nothing at all to read.
2) Makes absolutely no effort to comment on who he thinks is mafia. When originally poked he just comes in and says every case sucks.
3) When it looked like the thread was swinging against artanis he lightly stepped backed saying we should discuss other things. He then just disappears without discussing anything.
And now he gives a town read on slam, great! Very useful. So basically, he's being useless and trolly.
Who would you lynch?
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On June 07 2015 05:40 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 05:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 05:35 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 07 2015 05:34 Mig wrote:
I actually think artanis has been utterly worthless, and way way worse than noir mafia. I have no reason to think hes town but I dont think people are going to lynch him after his claim that is uncountered.
Prplhz I am more than willing to discuss jta if you want to lynch him. If you dont then you are wasting what little time we have. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. So we planned it now? Come on man... How is this not a blatant contradiction? He still thinks artanis fakeclaimed and yet is now going after someone he said couldn't be mafia with artanis. I'm not saying associative reads are good I'm pointing out that he didn't even think before throwing scum on me.
He said that ages ago. Are you claiming to remember details like that all the time while evaluating if individual players are scummy? Please FF...
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On June 07 2015 05:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 05:41 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 05:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 07 2015 05:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 05:35 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 07 2015 05:34 Mig wrote:
I actually think artanis has been utterly worthless, and way way worse than noir mafia. I have no reason to think hes town but I dont think people are going to lynch him after his claim that is uncountered.
Prplhz I am more than willing to discuss jta if you want to lynch him. If you dont then you are wasting what little time we have. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. So we planned it now? Come on man... How is this not a blatant contradiction? He still thinks artanis fakeclaimed and yet is now going after someone he said couldn't be mafia with artanis. I'm not saying associative reads are good I'm pointing out that he didn't even think before throwing scum on me. He said that ages ago. Are you claiming to remember details like that all the time while evaluating if individual players are scummy? Please FF... The actual bad part about it is that Mig never claimed to have a rock solid scumread on either of us. He just thinks both of us are scummy individually which means there is no contradiction to begin with.
That also.
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On June 07 2015 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 05:41 Mig wrote:
I have no reason to believe vayne or chez are town either it doesnt mean they are necessarily mafia. Either you or artanis could be mafia, I stand by that both of you very likely are not.
If you are town ask yourself this, why have I spent the last 3 hours phone posting when the thread was dead? If I were mafia I did it just for shits and giggles? its only town cred if you dont give it to yourself
Fine then I am giving it to him. The fact that he is here and trying to find a lynch makes him a worse lynch than half of this game.
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On June 07 2015 05:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 05:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
Chezinu is a good lynch tbh if im going to actually try this game again. I don't think its feasible to make it happen today though perhaps next cycle I think he's a very valid lynch today since there aren't really that many great candidates.
Yeah?
If you have reason not to lynch any of those people feel free to share:
fuba
boxer
slam
yamato
VA
FF
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On June 07 2015 06:22 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 06:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Boxer might actually be convincing me here. I'm uncertain if Yamato would truly be this bad as town. He's also conveniently afk when we're approaching deadline. If you weren't an uncounterclaimed jailkeeper I would be lyncing you tenfold. His post is exactly what I've already said and that which you have disagreed with and stated that opposite conclusion. Now you are agreeing with it??
Agreed. At least the only relevant part. Boxer felt the need to add a ton of useless not alignment indicative shitposts.
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On June 07 2015 06:29 boxerfred wrote:
so concluding, my reads:
town:
JAT, NaCL
scum: yamato
null with scum tendency: artanis, fuba, marv
rest is null. gonna look into that JAT vs. prplhz discussion next, maybe I'll find something.
Don't waste your time with that if you already think I am town.
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On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand?
This is what I dislike the most about yamato. Even if we ignore that the crumb is not obvious to anyone else he just assumes that town Artanis felt pressured and claimed because of that. How on earth is it even possible to reach this conclusion with the way the claim went down when Artanis said something like "I am bored.... btw I am JK" to claim for example?
It looks like he knows that Artanis is town.
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On June 07 2015 06:38 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? This is what I dislike the most about yamato. Even if we ignore that the crumb is not obvious to anyone else he just assumes that town Artanis felt pressured and claimed because of that. How on earth is it even possible to reach this conclusion with the way the claim went down when Artanis said something like "I am bored.... btw I am JK" to claim for example? It looks like he knows that Artanis is town. That's exactly the point I raised when I pointed to the "what a dumb play"-quotes of yamato.
Could you explain your other scumleans?
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On June 07 2015 06:57 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 06:38 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? This is what I dislike the most about yamato. Even if we ignore that the crumb is not obvious to anyone else he just assumes that town Artanis felt pressured and claimed because of that. How on earth is it even possible to reach this conclusion with the way the claim went down when Artanis said something like "I am bored.... btw I am JK" to claim for example? It looks like he knows that Artanis is town. That's exactly the point I raised when I pointed to the "what a dumb play"-quotes of yamato. Could you explain your other scumleans? Not with quoted posts, no. Tomorrow I'll do that, but I'm way too tired to do this now. My Artanis' scum read comes mainly from your post. I like the idea of "too experienced for a dumb move so that might be a scum claim". Fuba since he went at me when I started going on yamato. However he rather early went on Yamato, too, so that weakens my read. That's why I lean him null with a scum tendency and not scum. Marv, because he got in that fight with yamato and that felt way over the top. Was that sufficient?
meh... you base all your reads on association with yamato which is pretty dangerous.
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On June 07 2015 07:06 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 07:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 06:57 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 06:38 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? This is what I dislike the most about yamato. Even if we ignore that the crumb is not obvious to anyone else he just assumes that town Artanis felt pressured and claimed because of that. How on earth is it even possible to reach this conclusion with the way the claim went down when Artanis said something like "I am bored.... btw I am JK" to claim for example? It looks like he knows that Artanis is town. That's exactly the point I raised when I pointed to the "what a dumb play"-quotes of yamato. Could you explain your other scumleans? Not with quoted posts, no. Tomorrow I'll do that, but I'm way too tired to do this now. My Artanis' scum read comes mainly from your post. I like the idea of "too experienced for a dumb move so that might be a scum claim". Fuba since he went at me when I started going on yamato. However he rather early went on Yamato, too, so that weakens my read. That's why I lean him null with a scum tendency and not scum. Marv, because he got in that fight with yamato and that felt way over the top. Was that sufficient? meh... you base all your reads on association with yamato which is pretty dangerous. Yeah true. Probably change my reads depending on this. However, don't we have EoD by now?
In 1 hour. Nobody seems to give a shit though.
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On June 07 2015 07:09 NaCl`y wrote:
I'm here, albeit sporadically. I feel uneasy about boxerfred. Very uneasy and I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe it's because he seems to have sheeped all of my reads and made it look like his own? I'm not quite sure.
It's also a bit disconcerting that all of the people suddenly popped up, voted yamato and then afk'd again.
Yes, it is. I would think townyamato would at least bother to show up though.
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On June 07 2015 07:12 marvellosity wrote:
hi.
what's going on?
i'm only semi here, still have bf + friend to socialise with
Yamato is getting lynched without any counterwagon it seems. Will you be able to catch up at least?
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On June 07 2015 07:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm still here, always down for shenanigans
Onto which player?
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On June 07 2015 07:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 07:13 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 07:12 marvellosity wrote:
hi.
what's going on?
i'm only semi here, still have bf + friend to socialise with Yamato is getting lynched without any counterwagon it seems. Will you be able to catch up at least? nope. who do you want to kill?
I really don't know. There is noone that I am really convinced is scum and like half a dozen people I wouldn't mind dying including yamato.
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On June 07 2015 07:15 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 07:14 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 07:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm still here, always down for shenanigans Onto which player? boxerfred comes to mind
Explain.
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On June 07 2015 07:17 marvellosity wrote:
yeah i kinda retract my v light boxerfred meta read
i said it because he voted yamato casually right out the gate, whereas in his newbie game he was floundering away saying he didn't know who to vote.
but then he went back to vote no lynch here saying he had no idea again, so yeah, whatever
I am basically willing to lynch anyone of the lurky/useless people. fuba/yamato/VA/Chezinu etc.
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On June 07 2015 07:20 NaCl`y wrote:
I suggest we just stick to lynching yamato.
Yeah, maybe.
##Vote: Yamato77
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Marv, can you at least evaluate a yamato lynch please?
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On June 07 2015 07:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
salt boy makes a good point that BF came into thread and basically re-stated what salt said.
I had a perusal of BF's last game where he was scum, he follows thread direction like a puppy in that game. Though in that game he spent a lot of time defending himself day 1.
IDK, I was in the middle of reading his last game and his filter when nacl came in saying bf parroted him
Well, he has been following thread sentiment here too. But we have no town baseline to compare this to so... :/
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On June 07 2015 07:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 07:22 justanothertownie wrote:
Marv, can you at least evaluate a yamato lynch please? without reading anything into it, i didn't feel very strongly in the end about what he'd written so far, and i definitely think it's possible he'd be afk at this stage as town (if more likely as mafia) i know i normally love a good omgus but i'm not 100% sure mafia yamato chooses to antagonise me in the spot he did. he can die but meh. been panic filtering but i have no idea fuba has so few posts and i don't know if i like what he wrote, or dislike it - what i don't like is how he said he expected me to remove his vote on him simply on the basis he started posting. ehhhhh FF I have this terrible "he's being totally shit right now so he's town" read. VA I have no idea, but I'd bet town on the basis he's said nothing useful maybe Chez could be mafia? but i don't know how to tell you why (and the reasons wouldn't be good). Maybe for the way he's going after FF, could be a bit off... :/
Yeah, I feel very similar about most of the things you said. This game is not easy and it is not helping that we have this many people who are just coasting.
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On June 07 2015 07:29 marvellosity wrote:
you have a couple of mafia games recently where you look like you are "trying" from the outset, points and reads and shit.
you tend to do that less as town.
Sad but could be true.
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On June 07 2015 07:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Fecalfeast has rolled mafia? I must've been stuck in time.
That means you missed the glorious pooping champion incident.
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On June 07 2015 07:33 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 07:25 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 07:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
salt boy makes a good point that BF came into thread and basically re-stated what salt said.
I had a perusal of BF's last game where he was scum, he follows thread direction like a puppy in that game. Though in that game he spent a lot of time defending himself day 1.
IDK, I was in the middle of reading his last game and his filter when nacl came in saying bf parroted him Well, he has been following thread sentiment here too. But we have no town baseline to compare this to so... :/ well my general scum strategy is to pretend im town :/
You don't say...
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Could we maybe get a votecount at least?
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Yeah... dunno if scum is bussing yamato or just comfortably not doing anything though.
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But I really don't know who I would rather lynch/shennanie to instead :/
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On June 07 2015 07:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
If I'm the highest percent and he flips scum what do I win?
I will call your play terrible one time less.
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Slam voted too. At least once for mig.
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noice. Artanis you played really well today. I am proud of you.
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On June 07 2015 08:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
i am really surprised yamato plays like that as scum now too, he has sunk to new lows
nah man, yamato always sucked as mafia.
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On June 07 2015 08:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 08:07 NaCl`y wrote:On June 07 2015 08:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
So does this mean I'm confirmed town now? Not particularly. I thought your switch was one of the more scummy. I mean because yamato slipped I was town.
I just hope they shoot you instead of rbing you.
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On June 07 2015 08:10 NaCl`y wrote:
I noticed in boxerfred's mafia game that he likes to bus team mates by the way so he's totally not off the chopping block either. A lot of effort in his post to say basically the same thing as me.
Then something to note is that he based all the reads he gave around yamato being mafia. tmi?
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On June 07 2015 08:13 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 07:30 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 07:29 marvellosity wrote:
you have a couple of mafia games recently where you look like you are "trying" from the outset, points and reads and shit.
you tend to do that less as town. Sad but could be true. mafia is like 100x more fun than town imo. I love making up bullshit
You are weird.
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On June 07 2015 08:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
could be so simple as slam/chez both afk for the wagon?
I'm trying to figure out if it makes more sense that mafia just bused him or if there was no counterwagon because there was nobody around to see the wagon
I would be very surprised if mafia did not bus the fuck out of him. At least one of them. The game probably isn't as easy as 2 afk scummers left.
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On June 07 2015 08:18 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 08:10 NaCl`y wrote:
I noticed in boxerfred's mafia game that he likes to bus team mates by the way so he's totally not off the chopping block either. A lot of effort in his post to say basically the same thing as me. :D I thought exactly this. Hard to argue against that. You're starting a tunnel on me though, I'm town. I'm okay with a mislynch though this time, I'm not a blue role.
If you are town - the next lynch is in 72 hours. Don't you think you could convince people until then? And claiming VT in the night is not the best idea ever.
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On June 07 2015 08:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 08:38 boxerfred wrote:
Artanis, are you still claiming Jailor? Why did you hardclaim Jailor in the first place? Nope, I'm unclaiming it. Well documented.
It was all a ruse.
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I mean we would have never caught yamato without the fakeclaim, so there is that.
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On June 07 2015 08:51 marvellosity wrote:
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I assume this means you are in awe because of the #sickplays
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On June 07 2015 09:01 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 08:55 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 08:51 marvellosity wrote:
... I assume this means you are in awe because of the #sickplays that must be it
I knew it!
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On June 07 2015 09:21 marvellosity wrote:
did yamato spew anybody?
Didn't recheck but Artanis and NaCl possibly. Both not that helpful.
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On June 08 2015 02:43 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 02:35 prplhz wrote:On June 08 2015 02:18 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2015 01:26 NaCl`y wrote:On June 07 2015 22:43 marvellosity wrote:
I don't care if I repeated or not, it's what I think ^^
it could be chez, but it could be several ppl really.
Who are these other people you speak of? I think these people are town: 1.marvellosity 2.justanothertownie 3. NaCl`y 4.prplhz 7. Alakaslam 13. Artanis[Xp] slam is kinda squeezy in betweeny, but i'd still be surprised if he were mafia. so anyone not in that list basically why is slam in this list Do you have the opposite read?
I would have asked the same. I don't really see a strong reason to read slam one way or the other.
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On June 08 2015 04:06 marvellosity wrote:
Salty is all over this shit.
Has been all game. Why aren't you?
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On June 08 2015 04:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 04:06 marvellosity wrote:
Salty is all over this shit. Has been all game. Why aren't you?
On June 08 2015 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:Has been all game. Why aren't you?
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On June 08 2015 05:22 marvellosity wrote:
oh yea actions
Don't forget to rb Artanis!
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On June 08 2015 05:58 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 21:20 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2015 06:57 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 06:38 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? This is what I dislike the most about yamato. Even if we ignore that the crumb is not obvious to anyone else he just assumes that town Artanis felt pressured and claimed because of that. How on earth is it even possible to reach this conclusion with the way the claim went down when Artanis said something like "I am bored.... btw I am JK" to claim for example? It looks like he knows that Artanis is town. That's exactly the point I raised when I pointed to the "what a dumb play"-quotes of yamato. Could you explain your other scumleans? Not with quoted posts, no. Tomorrow I'll do that, but I'm way too tired to do this now. My Artanis' scum read comes mainly from your post. I like the idea of "too experienced for a dumb move so that might be a scum claim". Fuba since he went at me when I started going on yamato. However he rather early went on Yamato, too, so that weakens my read. That's why I lean him null with a scum tendency and not scum. Marv, because he got in that fight with yamato and that felt way over the top. Was that sufficient? Like this entire post is conditional on yamato flipping mafia, which might be TMI-ish here. Which part of that post is TMI (I read TMI as "too much information", correct?)? Like, where is the part where I'm talking about something I'm not supposed to know? I more and more get the feeling your shittalk with yamato was orchestrated.
Is marv scummy for that read?
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On June 08 2015 06:44 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 06:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 05:58 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 21:20 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2015 06:57 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 06:38 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:
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Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? This is what I dislike the most about yamato. Even if we ignore that the crumb is not obvious to anyone else he just assumes that town Artanis felt pressured and claimed because of that. How on earth is it even possible to reach this conclusion with the way the claim went down when Artanis said something like "I am bored.... btw I am JK" to claim for example? It looks like he knows that Artanis is town. That's exactly the point I raised when I pointed to the "what a dumb play"-quotes of yamato. Could you explain your other scumleans? Not with quoted posts, no. Tomorrow I'll do that, but I'm way too tired to do this now. My Artanis' scum read comes mainly from your post. I like the idea of "too experienced for a dumb move so that might be a scum claim". Fuba since he went at me when I started going on yamato. However he rather early went on Yamato, too, so that weakens my read. That's why I lean him null with a scum tendency and not scum. Marv, because he got in that fight with yamato and that felt way over the top. Was that sufficient? Like this entire post is conditional on yamato flipping mafia, which might be TMI-ish here. Which part of that post is TMI (I read TMI as "too much information", correct?)? Like, where is the part where I'm talking about something I'm not supposed to know? I more and more get the feeling your shittalk with yamato was orchestrated. Is marv scummy for that read? Yes Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 05:59 marvellosity wrote:
yes, i can see you're trying to strengthen making something out of nothing, you've been at it a while not even caring to answer
Well, considering the fact that marv literally stole that read from I guess that makes me scummy too?
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On June 08 2015 06:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 06:44 boxerfred wrote:On June 08 2015 06:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 05:58 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 21:20 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2015 06:57 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 06:38 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote:
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This is what I dislike the most about yamato. Even if we ignore that the crumb is not obvious to anyone else he just assumes that town Artanis felt pressured and claimed because of that. How on earth is it even possible to reach this conclusion with the way the claim went down when Artanis said something like "I am bored.... btw I am JK" to claim for example?
It looks like he knows that Artanis is town. That's exactly the point I raised when I pointed to the "what a dumb play"-quotes of yamato. Could you explain your other scumleans? Not with quoted posts, no. Tomorrow I'll do that, but I'm way too tired to do this now. My Artanis' scum read comes mainly from your post. I like the idea of "too experienced for a dumb move so that might be a scum claim". Fuba since he went at me when I started going on yamato. However he rather early went on Yamato, too, so that weakens my read. That's why I lean him null with a scum tendency and not scum. Marv, because he got in that fight with yamato and that felt way over the top. Was that sufficient? Like this entire post is conditional on yamato flipping mafia, which might be TMI-ish here. Which part of that post is TMI (I read TMI as "too much information", correct?)? Like, where is the part where I'm talking about something I'm not supposed to know? I more and more get the feeling your shittalk with yamato was orchestrated. Is marv scummy for that read? Yes On June 08 2015 05:59 marvellosity wrote:
yes, i can see you're trying to strengthen making something out of nothing, you've been at it a while not even caring to answer Well, considering the fact that marv literally stole that read from I guess that makes me scummy too? so scummy.
ikr
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On June 08 2015 07:26 marvellosity wrote:
why does boxer keep saying i initiated the points against him O.o
He is bussing you back you teamate attacking fiend.
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On June 08 2015 07:34 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
what's your point? jat/salty came first... shame that jat is like my top town read
I suddenly fear for my life
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Don't worry. The lynch is in 48 hours - you have plenty of time to prove your innocence.
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On June 08 2015 07:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
lol I was about to say I thought I remembered you unclaiming salty
Unclaiming rb? :p
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Feel free to push chez but your first point remains utter shit :p
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On June 08 2015 09:16 Chezinu wrote:
Today, I embark on a mission. A mission to find my insanity before the town finds me too sane. I must find my theme to find my insanity. My themes... where are you?
Let's do this town! We can find the themes to unleash the insanity!!!
I don't think we are in particular need of insanity, you know. To me it would be enough if you said who you think is scum any why without making a riddle out of it.
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On June 08 2015 17:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 16:28 boxerfred wrote:On June 08 2015 07:48 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2015 07:34 boxerfred wrote:On June 08 2015 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
what's your point? jat/salty came first... shame that jat is like my top town read and salty appears quite townie to me, too. also, salty asked questions which makes it seem like he wants to come to a certain point and a conclusion while all you do is say "looks scummy" without even trying to elaborate further. salty asked decent questions, you seem to be content with sitting there, buying bus tickets. ah, so now it's about the phrasing of the stuff, glad to have cleared that up do i need to particularly interrogate you when someone else is already doing so? would that make you happy? It's not about the phrasing. It's about a point. In my first game, my coach advised me to not only ask random questions or do "he's scummy" statements, but actually try to work towards a point or a conclusion which would help set up a picture of someone that is as bulletproof as it gets. You're not trying to do that. You take out one post out of my filter, put it in the only context where it looks even remotely scummy and insist that this post is a huge TMI blow that I made. I already answered Salty's questions. Then, I answered the ones you raised, explaining why I went for you and not for Salty or JAT. You see, I'm trying to collaborate. You're just holding your barrel at me, not even caring about anything else. Besides your scum read on me, what do you think about Vayne and my stuff on him? What do you think about fuba, given that Artanis claimed to have him blocked? Any more reads on potential scum? tldr: i am better than your coach.
yawn
Please do stuf today.
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On June 08 2015 17:55 marvellosity wrote:
like everything you write is bad or twisted, i can't even reply to it.
Yes. So is he scum for it or what?
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Did you get any information out of the lynch and how it happened? Who is scum besides bf?
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On June 08 2015 19:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 19:07 marvellosity wrote:
well, i just pulled some fuba quotes questioning if his read progression on yamato is natural (he goes from doubting the lynch to supporting the lynch), but the fact he was 2nd on the wagon by the looks of things looks quite good for him.
pls come back asap though bbygrl. just to muse a little more on this, the problem is I can totally see yamato just going "bus me if you need to, i'll be afk at work and i cba"
Yes, that is quite possible. Everyone who knows yamato and sees that he is on his team knows he will have to bus him too. I wouldn't give anyone credit for that alone.
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On June 08 2015 19:19 marvellosity wrote:
Mig's a weird one, I feel like I can make arguments either way.
Yes, would like to hear more from him. He literally did nothing at all during the night.
Why do you think that yamato comment is interesting? What does it say about prplhz/chez alignment?
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On June 08 2015 19:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 19:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:19 marvellosity wrote:
Mig's a weird one, I feel like I can make arguments either way. Yes, would like to hear more from him. He literally did nothing at all during the night. Why do you think that yamato comment is interesting? What does it say about prplhz/chez alignment? nothing to do with prplhz, but it's more that yamato is giving a nod to Chez not looking like his normal self. Right now I can't take anything firm from it, I just find it interesting that yamato points it out himself.
meh
About mig - yeah, he is not really impressing me either. But at least he was the one trying to get a lynch going when noone was doing anything and he also seemed really annoyed by prplz/me fighting.
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On June 08 2015 19:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 19:32 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:29 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2015 19:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:19 marvellosity wrote:
Mig's a weird one, I feel like I can make arguments either way. Yes, would like to hear more from him. He literally did nothing at all during the night. Why do you think that yamato comment is interesting? What does it say about prplhz/chez alignment? nothing to do with prplhz, but it's more that yamato is giving a nod to Chez not looking like his normal self. Right now I can't take anything firm from it, I just find it interesting that yamato points it out himself. meh About mig - yeah, he is not really impressing me either. But at least he was the one trying to get a lynch going when noone was doing anything and he also seemed really annoyed by prplz/me fighting. my point is that his lynch doesn't make particular sense, he chooses FF for being useless and yet dismisses other "useless" people as "don't knows", "they could be either" I'm not really sure how this is supposed to make sense one useless guy = top scumread, gonna push repeatedly over yamato other useless guys = they could be anything, why push them?
Yes, his choice/reasoning for a push is meh, but I meant he was encouraging people to do stuff and find a lynch in general and not only pushing his own prefered target. I felt urgency when he posted.
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On June 08 2015 19:36 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 18:56 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2015 16:28 boxerfred wrote:
It's not about the phrasing. It's about a point. In my first game, my coach advised me to not only ask random questions or do "he's scummy" statements, but actually try to work towards a point or a conclusion which would help set up a picture of someone that is as bulletproof as it gets. You're not trying to do that. You take out one post out of my filter, put it in the only context where it looks even remotely scummy and insist that this post is a huge TMI blow that I made. I already answered Salty's questions. Then, I answered the ones you raised, explaining why I went for you and not for Salty or JAT. You see, I'm trying to collaborate. You're just holding your barrel at me, not even caring about anything else.
Actually can't get over how bad this interpretation is, gonna dissect it for my own amusement It's not about the phrasing. It's about a point. In my first game, my coach advised me to not only ask random questions or do "he's scummy" statements, but actually try to work towards a point or a conclusion which would help set up a picture of someone that is as bulletproof as it gets. You're not trying to do that. Totally irrelevant to anything? It's like criticising a tennis player for preferring to rally on the baseline or something, it means nothing to anything You take out one post out of my filter, put it in the only context where it looks even remotely scummy and insist that this post is a huge TMI blow that I made. The "only" context it looks "remotely scummy"? You mean it's a fucking beacon of townie shining light otherwise? You make a bunch of reads conditional on yamato being mafia, it doesn't take much putting in context. And I was 3rd to the punch! You keep attacking me for it, yet not the others before me, but we'll come to that... Also "a huge TMI blow"? I think my wording at the time was "this may be TMI-ish". Exaggeration much? I already answered Salty's questions. Then, I answered the ones you raised, explaining why I went for you and not for Salty or JAT. Yes, you answered the latter by going "I find these two people townie, so the points they make that are identical to yours are fine. Because I don't find you townie, these points that these 2 townies already mentioned are scummy coming from you." Yes, that doesn't make sense, sorry. You're going after me for points that aren't even mine because I'm the only one you can go after. But there is no logical sense behind it. You see, I'm trying to collaborate. lol Three ways to go on: a) you continue to pick away at my post, not asking a single question, interpreting things the worst way possible. b) you actually start asking questions that lead to a convincing point c) people just lynch me, I'll flip VT and boom scum shines. I don't even care about your answers at this point. You still did not say a single thing that sounds remotely like an indication of me being scum, yet you follow your read hardcore. Sounds like bussing to me. When you bring up sentences with a question mark again, I'll answer to what you're saying.
I will be honest with you - you are not helping yourself or your team right now regardless of your alignment.
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On June 08 2015 19:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 19:36 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:34 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2015 19:32 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:29 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2015 19:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:19 marvellosity wrote:
Mig's a weird one, I feel like I can make arguments either way. Yes, would like to hear more from him. He literally did nothing at all during the night. Why do you think that yamato comment is interesting? What does it say about prplhz/chez alignment? nothing to do with prplhz, but it's more that yamato is giving a nod to Chez not looking like his normal self. Right now I can't take anything firm from it, I just find it interesting that yamato points it out himself. meh About mig - yeah, he is not really impressing me either. But at least he was the one trying to get a lynch going when noone was doing anything and he also seemed really annoyed by prplz/me fighting. my point is that his lynch doesn't make particular sense, he chooses FF for being useless and yet dismisses other "useless" people as "don't knows", "they could be either" I'm not really sure how this is supposed to make sense one useless guy = top scumread, gonna push repeatedly over yamato other useless guys = they could be anything, why push them? Yes, his choice/reasoning for a push is meh, but I meant he was encouraging people to do stuff and find a lynch in general and not only pushing his own prefered target. I felt urgency when he posted. this is wishy washy and boring, and not a reason for anything.
If you say so.
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On June 08 2015 19:45 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 19:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:41 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2015 19:36 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:34 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2015 19:32 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:29 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2015 19:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:19 marvellosity wrote:
Mig's a weird one, I feel like I can make arguments either way. Yes, would like to hear more from him. He literally did nothing at all during the night. Why do you think that yamato comment is interesting? What does it say about prplhz/chez alignment? nothing to do with prplhz, but it's more that yamato is giving a nod to Chez not looking like his normal self. Right now I can't take anything firm from it, I just find it interesting that yamato points it out himself. meh About mig - yeah, he is not really impressing me either. But at least he was the one trying to get a lynch going when noone was doing anything and he also seemed really annoyed by prplz/me fighting. my point is that his lynch doesn't make particular sense, he chooses FF for being useless and yet dismisses other "useless" people as "don't knows", "they could be either" I'm not really sure how this is supposed to make sense one useless guy = top scumread, gonna push repeatedly over yamato other useless guys = they could be anything, why push them? Yes, his choice/reasoning for a push is meh, but I meant he was encouraging people to do stuff and find a lynch in general and not only pushing his own prefered target. I felt urgency when he posted. this is wishy washy and boring, and not a reason for anything. If you say so. yes, i do, hence me saying it.
You say so because you are saying it? Nice.
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On June 08 2015 19:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 19:46 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:45 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2015 19:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:41 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2015 19:36 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:34 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2015 19:32 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 19:29 marvellosity wrote:On June 08 2015 19:27 justanothertownie wrote:
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Yes, would like to hear more from him. He literally did nothing at all during the night.
Why do you think that yamato comment is interesting? What does it say about prplhz/chez alignment? nothing to do with prplhz, but it's more that yamato is giving a nod to Chez not looking like his normal self. Right now I can't take anything firm from it, I just find it interesting that yamato points it out himself. meh About mig - yeah, he is not really impressing me either. But at least he was the one trying to get a lynch going when noone was doing anything and he also seemed really annoyed by prplz/me fighting. my point is that his lynch doesn't make particular sense, he chooses FF for being useless and yet dismisses other "useless" people as "don't knows", "they could be either" I'm not really sure how this is supposed to make sense one useless guy = top scumread, gonna push repeatedly over yamato other useless guys = they could be anything, why push them? Yes, his choice/reasoning for a push is meh, but I meant he was encouraging people to do stuff and find a lynch in general and not only pushing his own prefered target. I felt urgency when he posted. this is wishy washy and boring, and not a reason for anything. If you say so. yes, i do, hence me saying it. You say so because you are saying it? Nice. well your reply was just tedious, like your face.
lol, go on.
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Seems like you are embarassed about that nonsensical post :p
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I don't really get the rage/aggression but fine. I'll let you do your thing.
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Good. I liked that post in general.
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It's fine. I wouldn't mind some more circles about other players.
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A reasonable request but unlike you I am already really obviously town and I don't really feel like doing much as long as nobody else is posting.
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I really don't get why you seem so extremely annoyed.
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On June 08 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
patience still nil
this is going to continue probably, so you should probably get over being confused about it.
Fine in that case I don't get why patience is nil but whatever. There is really no need for us to fight in the slightest.
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On June 08 2015 20:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 20:13 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 20:11 marvellosity wrote:
patience still nil
this is going to continue probably, so you should probably get over being confused about it. Fine in that case I don't get why patience is nil but whatever. There is really no need for us to fight in the slightest. imagine how i feel, feeling joyless as town it feels like the beginning of the end.
Sad. But no idea why :/
I mean this game is pretty boring but still.
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Well, I will just hope that it will just be some kind of break again then.
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On June 08 2015 22:36 boxerfred wrote:He's at least communicating, Vayne is not. Bro if you wanna go at me vote me and see me flip VT. I said I stop talking about marv.
Dude if you keep this super defensive whiny attitude up I might just do that. Stop the martyring.
Vayne rarely communicates as town. He just doesn't give a fuck usually.
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On June 08 2015 22:41 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 22:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 22:36 boxerfred wrote:On June 08 2015 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:
I thought marv was scum? He's at least communicating, Vayne is not. Bro if you wanna go at me vote me and see me flip VT. I said I stop talking about marv. Dude if you keep this super defensive whiny attitude up I might just do that. Stop the martyring. Vayne rarely communicates as town. He just doesn't give a fuck usually. Yeah then do just that. Holy fuck at this point it's all marv picking my posts instead of actually contributing so I go back to the guy who I was looking at anyways, which is Vayne. You can continue this now between me and marv in a pointless discussion, lynch martyring me and see me flip vt or you can actually try to contribute. Until there's nothing new on marv, I don't have anything to construct a case on. I am not going to get wrapped up in pointless discussions.
See, the problem is your reads amount to "marv is painting me as scummy as possible" which isn't true and "VA isn't doing anything" which is true but doesn't really mean anything for him. If you don't feel like you can construct a case on marv then talk about anything else. There are plenty of players you could comment on.
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And you are still scumreading marv for pointing things out about you that I pointed out first while you are townreading me which is very very strange.
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On June 08 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 22:45 justanothertownie wrote:
And you are still scumreading marv for pointing things out about you that I pointed out first while you are townreading me which is very very strange. I'm reading you town for this + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2015 06:26 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. This post is really good. The bad thing for me is that I have to trust in what he's saying on marv's and artanis' backstory in mafia, I don't have the experience to judge that. However, given how Yamato reacts to the claim ("it's so stupid to claim!!") this feels like he makes the claim look like a bad town move and not a genious scum move. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote:Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. There, Mig jumps the train, too. All those posts have one thing in common, and that is not Artanis, but Yamato. I really think he's a good lynch by now, even if he's town. Also, NaCl (who I read as town for his explanations and the idea behind his CC) made the spoilered post, mentioning Yamato in a reasonable way, too: + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2015 00:49 NaCl`y wrote:First and foremost, I'd just like to get this out of the way. I am NOT the doctor. I decided to do this for reasons twofold: 1) I felt that no individual would ever believe they were under pressure and mafia would have caught their breadcrumb and then hard claim jailkeeper on day 1. I could not believe that a town Artanis[Xp] would do this. Since I did not believe it, I had to test out his claim. I originally thought just claiming jailkeeper would make him either rescind his silly claim or if he was mafia, give up the game. He did not do this however so I concluded that from his reactions and interactions around it his claim was pretty much sincere. This is when I decided to enact the second phase of my plan. 2) I switched my claim to doctor in order to garner reactions. Since I am town and I am pretty sure Artanis[Xp] is town then the unbelievable situation is that we have both a jailkeeper and a doctor. I don't think anybody would think this would be balanced. At least, I don't think it would in a small game such as this. So, since this was the case I left it open that there were 2 healing power roles. I did want to let everyone respond but a lot of people are just afk. No matter, this led to some very interesting reactions indeed:
The first of which is Justanothertownie. I think his reaction is by far the most sincere in the game. Posts like: + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. His reactions and surprise and looking at claims while analysing which ones make sense or not is very towny of him. I am quite happy to add him to the town pile of Artanis[Xp] and Justanothertownie thus far.
prplhz is more of a toss up, I'm not sure what to believe really. His initial reaction to the claims seemed a skeptical but also as if they were not at the same time: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:58 prplhz wrote:On June 06 2015 07:55 NaCl`y wrote:
@Everyone
I do not believe there would simply be 2 protective roles in this game. I would like the input of others that have not said anything towards this, it would be appreciated. Are there likely to be 2 town protective roles? Could Artanis[Xp] be the mafia roleblocker fake claiming since they are notified and it would be a good cover for somebody that notoriously does not play as mafia? Until recently there couldn't be godfather, framer, miller, cop in same game but then suddenly there was a game with godfather, framer, miller, cop. So I'm not inclined to this setup speculation either. Honestly I haven't a clue what to make of these claims, I'm pretty horrible with claims. What I'm pretty certain of is that one of you claimers is a giant moron. post that give me pause are posts like: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:45 prplhz wrote:On June 06 2015 08:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, tell me:
1) Why would scum NaCl counterclaim if they can shoot town artanis in the night?
2) How on earth does Artanis play make sense from a town pov? Do you think he is usually a pretty stupid guy? No but I just said, the narrative of him being town, having his crumb outed, being scum read by marvellosity (who will probably get his lynch d1) and then being all frustrated and martyring and hard claiming shit, that sort of fits. Do you think scum would have done all this if they could have avoided it? This is pretty extraordinary. combined with Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 09:30 prplhz wrote:
seriously artanis has never been mislynched and that's not because he pulls off shit like this in all his town games
it's the exact opposite He pretty much outlines reasons that Artanis[Xp] could be town while still saying that we should lynch him which is incredibly confusing, hence why I'm not sure about his alignment right now.
I actually think marvellosity is mafia in this game. He has had several overblown reactions that I don't think he'd have as town and his reaction to this double protective role claiming is very sub par for him. I don't think he'd ever agree with Justanothertownie's reasoning for voting Artanis[Xp] and then just blindly lynch fuba. Ever. The reactions that I am talking about are: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:28 marvellosity wrote:On June 06 2015 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 05:26 marvellosity wrote:On June 06 2015 05:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. You are going to be so disappointed. then why did you claim? what possible motivation when you have a total of 1 vote on you? Because the thread was boring and I figured with the attention you gave to that part mafia would've certainly noticed and probably figured it out. This way at least everyone has the info. that's so bad. this is why i'm playing less and less. i can't handle the sort of nonsense yamato + artanis are pulling this game. i don't find it enjoyable. it's too bad for me to find enjoyable both Artanis[Xp] and Yamato77 were marvellosity's scum reads. Yet, when they did such utterly terrible things it garnered this reaction from marvellosity. Now, he's played quite a few games with Artanis[Xp] and from what I've seen he catches him if he is mafia quite regularly and has seen Artanis[Xp] claim things like mafia but lynched him anyway. This is a stupid claim and his initial reaction is frustration at stupidity but we find out later that marvellosity is STILL scum reading Artanis[Xp]. This, in tandem with his reaction to Yamato77 (his other scum read) seems very disingenuous. Now, getting to the part of the claims. I never expected marvellosity to just sit back on a lynch when there were 2 protective roles claimed in the thread. ESPECIALLY if one of them was his original scum read that has now been outed. However, his reactions are so meek that I can only conclude that this is a mafia marvellosity. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
yeah i guess unless someone hard counterclaims you, that might be a good idea. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Mig: the context is all in my posts, my patience levels are even lower than what they used to be, I have nothing further to add
what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly
like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely
that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway.
soooo......
Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either. He barely mentions the fact that there are 2 claims. He in fact ignores it. He bypasses this fact to then just talk about Artanis[Xp]'s reaction instead. However, it's as if he doesn't even care about it. He'd rather just sit back and lynch whoever instead of trying to figure things out. Fuba is such a cop out lynch and not something I think he'd be doing. Regardless his play this game can be surmised as: Overblown reactions to Artanis[Xp]'s stupidity and a fake reaction to Yamato77 and nothing. Also: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote:
Does mafia KP = 1 mean KP is factional and leaves room for the possibility of a mafia vigi, or is it 1 maximum? I do not think he'd ever ask this question as town. I'm actually blown away that he'd ever ask this when he 100% knows it would never get answered. He has also now claimed inactivity excuses. I think he is mafia.
Yamato77 is another person that I think is likely to be mafia. Out of all the reactions he had me scratching my head the most. He seemed to instantly believe that both claims were entirely real and that Artanis[Xp]'s post was most definitely a breadcrumb and never listened to logic that dictated otherwise. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all. Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:09 yamato77 wrote:
Fine, JAT, obviously you don't listen to me, so you can have your way.
I will have no part in this lynch however. I don't think he ever pondered the possibility that one of the claims was false or otherwise. Artanis[Xp]'s breadcrumb did not look like a breadcrumb at all and was actually in a standard phrase that many people use in mafia so "in hindsight" it still doesn't look like a breadcrumb at all. I think he has shown that he is using too much information to make a read and that becomes very evident in this situation.
I think mig's reaction: + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote:Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. actually looks quite genuine and thought out, it shows that he's analytically looking at the alignments of the big event that happened in the game so far and did some background reading to make sure. His interactions points seem a bit too surface level though so a bit hesitant to add him to a town circle but definitely not in a scummy circle quite yet either.
This is getting a bit long and i'm not sure people are going to read it so for the sake of clarity
People I am happy with and think are probably town: Artanis[Xp], justanothertownie People that I am happy with: mig, possibly fuba for analysing peoples' reactions (not mentioned in long post sorry), Alakaslam People that I am ok with: prplhz People that I have no idea about: VayneAuthority (not mentioned but I don't really have a clue, didn't like his reactions though), Chezinu (ignored most of the game), FecalFeast, People I think are scum: Marvellosity, Yamato77, boxerfred (I read his past game where he was mafia and it looked very similar)
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##vote yamato77 He also reads me as scum - well AMA then, really don't want to make you think that. Since you refer to my last game for your statement, I'll say 2 things: a) 1 game of many to come is not indicative of how I play, neither as scum nor as town. It was my first game ever on TL mafia, even my first game ever in a forum. b) Can you please point out the parallels that you are seeing so scum boxerfred can get rid of them? Nah kidding. You don't need to explain the parallels to me as of now but before you start a train on me getting a mislynch, I want to have the reasoning behind it. Since town is supposed to find scum I'm not mad at you for pointing out things on me that look scummy. It's fine, go on. I just don't like marv jumping that train. He's just adding fuel to the fire. Shame I'm adding more fuel by myself already, I need to calm down.
That's fine. It is a good reason to townread me. But if marv has the same thoughts about your posting than me then that itself cannot be scummy since I am town.
Ok, so you claim he is only adding fuel to the fire. Maybe. But that's not all he is doing, right? He did not focus only on you. He made quite a few posts about mig for example. Do you think those posts are scummy too?
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Like, I want you to read marvs filter and tell me what you think of it if you ignore his push on you.
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On June 08 2015 22:53 fuba wrote:
Don't think I'm up for a bf lynch today. While his yamato association reads could be scum, it could also be newbie townie confidence. It would also seem strange for 2/3 of the scumteam to passively vote for each other for most of D1, exclusively. And, he's actually here, playing, which is more than can be said for half the thread, myself included.
I'm gonna have to think about who I want to lynch instead, though.
There is nothing strange about that. Happened before and not only once.
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On June 08 2015 22:59 fuba wrote:
I will say that the scummiest thing about vane isn't even anything he did. In yamato's last game, he opened with an instant vote for VA. Basically a policy lynch. I think he could have done the same thing this game and not looked suspicious, but he didn't. Maybe because he didn't want to bus so early? *shrugs*
(At work for the next few hours)
meh, meeeeeeeeeeeeeh
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Ok bf, so what is your conclusion? You quoted some posts and commented on them but I don't see what you get out of it in the end.
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Ah, didn't see the most recent post. Ok then.
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You are such a troublemaker.
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Hm.
Right now I would lynch into Fuba, chezinu and maybe boxerfred too. Pretty disappointing how lazy all those suspects are. FF and Migs recent absence is also annoying.
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Am I the only one who likes fuba less with every post he makes?
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On June 09 2015 17:55 marvellosity wrote:
you best do some stuff, you lazy shit
@ jat
Oh, I will. Not that I am getting lynched in a million years.
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On June 09 2015 15:42 prplhz wrote:
justanothertownie's d2 impact is extremely lacking considering that he's universally townread and he has an 11 page filter. Who does he event want to kill today?
On June 09 2015 15:57 Mig wrote:
What has JTA done this entire game? He is around constantly, but how many people have you seen him push to get lynched? The only person this entire game that JTA has been 100% gunho on lynching was artanis.
On June 09 2015 16:35 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 16:11 prplhz wrote:
probably not gonna read assassination/aperture.
jta is interesting to me because he hasn't done much today even though showing on d1 that he wanted to lead town. then everybody town read him and poof.
would you lynch jta over chez today if you could have it your way? i tend to agree with this
I have probably done more than all 3 of you clowns together. Just sayin.
If you do not know who I want to kill you did not read my filter. If you think I need to be gungho about lynching anyone as town you are wrong.
Assassination is not representative of my mafia play but we can ignore that because more importantly Aperture is DEFINITELY NOT representative of my town play. I even made that a point after the game that people should not meta read me comparing to that game. Mig is probably excused because he wasn't around for that but it is probably one of the worst games you could use to try and meta me.
But what's even more disturbing is how you say that the sandroba quote is fitting my play this time around? Seriously? You think I have been angry or detached this game at all? Please.
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On June 09 2015 17:50 boxerfred wrote:Hm. JAT insisted on Artanis' claim to be a scum play. After like page 2-3, his filter dies, almost solely oneliners without much town stuff. Here is why I townread him in the first place: Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 22:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On June 08 2015 22:45 justanothertownie wrote:
And you are still scumreading marv for pointing things out about you that I pointed out first while you are townreading me which is very very strange. I'm reading you town for this + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2015 06:26 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. This post is really good. The bad thing for me is that I have to trust in what he's saying on marv's and artanis' backstory in mafia, I don't have the experience to judge that. However, given how Yamato reacts to the claim ("it's so stupid to claim!!") this feels like he makes the claim look like a bad town move and not a genious scum move. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote:Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. There, Mig jumps the train, too. All those posts have one thing in common, and that is not Artanis, but Yamato. I really think he's a good lynch by now, even if he's town. Also, NaCl (who I read as town for his explanations and the idea behind his CC) made the spoilered post, mentioning Yamato in a reasonable way, too: + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2015 00:49 NaCl`y wrote:First and foremost, I'd just like to get this out of the way. I am NOT the doctor. I decided to do this for reasons twofold: 1) I felt that no individual would ever believe they were under pressure and mafia would have caught their breadcrumb and then hard claim jailkeeper on day 1. I could not believe that a town Artanis[Xp] would do this. Since I did not believe it, I had to test out his claim. I originally thought just claiming jailkeeper would make him either rescind his silly claim or if he was mafia, give up the game. He did not do this however so I concluded that from his reactions and interactions around it his claim was pretty much sincere. This is when I decided to enact the second phase of my plan. 2) I switched my claim to doctor in order to garner reactions. Since I am town and I am pretty sure Artanis[Xp] is town then the unbelievable situation is that we have both a jailkeeper and a doctor. I don't think anybody would think this would be balanced. At least, I don't think it would in a small game such as this. So, since this was the case I left it open that there were 2 healing power roles. I did want to let everyone respond but a lot of people are just afk. No matter, this led to some very interesting reactions indeed:
The first of which is Justanothertownie. I think his reaction is by far the most sincere in the game. Posts like: + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. His reactions and surprise and looking at claims while analysing which ones make sense or not is very towny of him. I am quite happy to add him to the town pile of Artanis[Xp] and Justanothertownie thus far.
prplhz is more of a toss up, I'm not sure what to believe really. His initial reaction to the claims seemed a skeptical but also as if they were not at the same time: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:58 prplhz wrote:On June 06 2015 07:55 NaCl`y wrote:
@Everyone
I do not believe there would simply be 2 protective roles in this game. I would like the input of others that have not said anything towards this, it would be appreciated. Are there likely to be 2 town protective roles? Could Artanis[Xp] be the mafia roleblocker fake claiming since they are notified and it would be a good cover for somebody that notoriously does not play as mafia? Until recently there couldn't be godfather, framer, miller, cop in same game but then suddenly there was a game with godfather, framer, miller, cop. So I'm not inclined to this setup speculation either. Honestly I haven't a clue what to make of these claims, I'm pretty horrible with claims. What I'm pretty certain of is that one of you claimers is a giant moron. post that give me pause are posts like: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:45 prplhz wrote:On June 06 2015 08:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, tell me:
1) Why would scum NaCl counterclaim if they can shoot town artanis in the night?
2) How on earth does Artanis play make sense from a town pov? Do you think he is usually a pretty stupid guy? No but I just said, the narrative of him being town, having his crumb outed, being scum read by marvellosity (who will probably get his lynch d1) and then being all frustrated and martyring and hard claiming shit, that sort of fits. Do you think scum would have done all this if they could have avoided it? This is pretty extraordinary. combined with Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 09:30 prplhz wrote:
seriously artanis has never been mislynched and that's not because he pulls off shit like this in all his town games
it's the exact opposite He pretty much outlines reasons that Artanis[Xp] could be town while still saying that we should lynch him which is incredibly confusing, hence why I'm not sure about his alignment right now.
I actually think marvellosity is mafia in this game. He has had several overblown reactions that I don't think he'd have as town and his reaction to this double protective role claiming is very sub par for him. I don't think he'd ever agree with Justanothertownie's reasoning for voting Artanis[Xp] and then just blindly lynch fuba. Ever. The reactions that I am talking about are: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:28 marvellosity wrote:On June 06 2015 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 05:26 marvellosity wrote:On June 06 2015 05:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. You are going to be so disappointed. then why did you claim? what possible motivation when you have a total of 1 vote on you? Because the thread was boring and I figured with the attention you gave to that part mafia would've certainly noticed and probably figured it out. This way at least everyone has the info. that's so bad. this is why i'm playing less and less. i can't handle the sort of nonsense yamato + artanis are pulling this game. i don't find it enjoyable. it's too bad for me to find enjoyable both Artanis[Xp] and Yamato77 were marvellosity's scum reads. Yet, when they did such utterly terrible things it garnered this reaction from marvellosity. Now, he's played quite a few games with Artanis[Xp] and from what I've seen he catches him if he is mafia quite regularly and has seen Artanis[Xp] claim things like mafia but lynched him anyway. This is a stupid claim and his initial reaction is frustration at stupidity but we find out later that marvellosity is STILL scum reading Artanis[Xp]. This, in tandem with his reaction to Yamato77 (his other scum read) seems very disingenuous. Now, getting to the part of the claims. I never expected marvellosity to just sit back on a lynch when there were 2 protective roles claimed in the thread. ESPECIALLY if one of them was his original scum read that has now been outed. However, his reactions are so meek that I can only conclude that this is a mafia marvellosity. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
yeah i guess unless someone hard counterclaims you, that might be a good idea. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Mig: the context is all in my posts, my patience levels are even lower than what they used to be, I have nothing further to add
what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly
like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely
that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway.
soooo......
Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either. He barely mentions the fact that there are 2 claims. He in fact ignores it. He bypasses this fact to then just talk about Artanis[Xp]'s reaction instead. However, it's as if he doesn't even care about it. He'd rather just sit back and lynch whoever instead of trying to figure things out. Fuba is such a cop out lynch and not something I think he'd be doing. Regardless his play this game can be surmised as: Overblown reactions to Artanis[Xp]'s stupidity and a fake reaction to Yamato77 and nothing. Also: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote:
Does mafia KP = 1 mean KP is factional and leaves room for the possibility of a mafia vigi, or is it 1 maximum? I do not think he'd ever ask this question as town. I'm actually blown away that he'd ever ask this when he 100% knows it would never get answered. He has also now claimed inactivity excuses. I think he is mafia.
Yamato77 is another person that I think is likely to be mafia. Out of all the reactions he had me scratching my head the most. He seemed to instantly believe that both claims were entirely real and that Artanis[Xp]'s post was most definitely a breadcrumb and never listened to logic that dictated otherwise. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all. Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:09 yamato77 wrote:
Fine, JAT, obviously you don't listen to me, so you can have your way.
I will have no part in this lynch however. I don't think he ever pondered the possibility that one of the claims was false or otherwise. Artanis[Xp]'s breadcrumb did not look like a breadcrumb at all and was actually in a standard phrase that many people use in mafia so "in hindsight" it still doesn't look like a breadcrumb at all. I think he has shown that he is using too much information to make a read and that becomes very evident in this situation.
I think mig's reaction: + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote:Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. actually looks quite genuine and thought out, it shows that he's analytically looking at the alignments of the big event that happened in the game so far and did some background reading to make sure. His interactions points seem a bit too surface level though so a bit hesitant to add him to a town circle but definitely not in a scummy circle quite yet either.
This is getting a bit long and i'm not sure people are going to read it so for the sake of clarity
People I am happy with and think are probably town: Artanis[Xp], justanothertownie People that I am happy with: mig, possibly fuba for analysing peoples' reactions (not mentioned in long post sorry), Alakaslam People that I am ok with: prplhz People that I have no idea about: VayneAuthority (not mentioned but I don't really have a clue, didn't like his reactions though), Chezinu (ignored most of the game), FecalFeast, People I think are scum: Marvellosity, Yamato77, boxerfred (I read his past game where he was mafia and it looked very similar)
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##vote yamato77 He also reads me as scum - well AMA then, really don't want to make you think that. Since you refer to my last game for your statement, I'll say 2 things: a) 1 game of many to come is not indicative of how I play, neither as scum nor as town. It was my first game ever on TL mafia, even my first game ever in a forum. b) Can you please point out the parallels that you are seeing so scum boxerfred can get rid of them? Nah kidding. You don't need to explain the parallels to me as of now but before you start a train on me getting a mislynch, I want to have the reasoning behind it. Since town is supposed to find scum I'm not mad at you for pointing out things on me that look scummy. It's fine, go on. I just don't like marv jumping that train. He's just adding fuel to the fire. Shame I'm adding more fuel by myself already, I need to calm down. That's fine. It is a good reason to townread me. But if marv has the same thoughts about your posting than me then that itself cannot be scummy since I am town. Ok, so you claim he is only adding fuel to the fire. Maybe. But that's not all he is doing, right? He did not focus only on you. He made quite a few posts about mig for example. Do you think those posts are scummy too? However, this is like the only post that gives a clear and big town indication. Here is his most recent top lynch list: Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Hm.
Right now I would lynch into Fuba, chezinu and maybe boxerfred too. Pretty disappointing how lazy all those suspects are. FF and Migs recent absence is also annoying. JAT, can you actually elaborate on why Fuba, why chezinu, why me? If I missed explaining posts in your filter, just quote them to me.
How come you go from a solid townread to this? Do you think migs case is that good?
The fact that posts are oneliners says NOTHING about their quality. I gave reasons for you being possibly mafia (I cannot imagine that you of all people forgot them either) and I repeatedly called out posts by fuba I thought were awful and/or scummy. Up to the point where I went to sleep yesterday no reason to scumread chez was required because he simply wasn't participating in the game. And as far as I see he still isn't really.
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On June 09 2015 18:26 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 18:25 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 15:42 prplhz wrote:
justanothertownie's d2 impact is extremely lacking considering that he's universally townread and he has an 11 page filter. Who does he event want to kill today? On June 09 2015 15:57 Mig wrote:
What has JTA done this entire game? He is around constantly, but how many people have you seen him push to get lynched? The only person this entire game that JTA has been 100% gunho on lynching was artanis. On June 09 2015 16:35 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 09 2015 16:11 prplhz wrote:
probably not gonna read assassination/aperture.
jta is interesting to me because he hasn't done much today even though showing on d1 that he wanted to lead town. then everybody town read him and poof.
would you lynch jta over chez today if you could have it your way? i tend to agree with this I have probably done more than all 3 of you clowns together. Just sayin.If you do not know who I want to kill you did not read my filter. If you think I need to be gungho about lynching anyone as town you are wrong. Assassination is not representative of my mafia play but we can ignore that because more importantly Aperture is DEFINITELY NOT representative of my town play. I even made that a point after the game that people should not meta read me comparing to that game. Mig is probably excused because he wasn't around for that but it is probably one of the worst games you could use to try and meta me. But what's even more disturbing is how you say that the sandroba quote is fitting my play this time around? Seriously? You think I have been angry or detached this game at all? Please. What have you done besides the Artanis theory crafting?
I won't even entertain this. Read my filter and you will know.
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I must say boxerfred questioning me after 3 people voiced suspicion on me strikes me as very opportunistic.
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Especially after I was his TOP townread before.
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I will make it really easy for you guys:
Marv gave me a townread. Not a slight townlean but a real townread. Regardless of his alignment this probably means I am town. If he is town he will not misread me this strongly, if he is mafia he will not give a mafia partner a townread like that.
You may call this bullshit but it is 100 % the truth.
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But there is a positive thing about this push on me. It just solidifies how I do not want to lynch mig. Unless he specifically goes for the "why would he do that as scum?" response I see no reason for him to go against me like that. If he is mafia he knows that he will never get me lynched. Prplhz is also probably still town and just bad.
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On June 09 2015 18:40 Mig wrote:
I do find it amusing you talking about how much you have done for town. I must have missed it in between you pushing non stop to lynch artanis, arguing with prphlz while everybody asked you to cut it out and you saying you were going to be lazy since you were obvious town. I guess maybe you are referring to your half hearted vote for yam after nac convinced everyone to vote for him?
You mean after I was the first to agree with his yamato stuff, yeah? If you want to analyse my play looking at the time I vote for people you will have a bad time.
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On June 09 2015 18:45 marvellosity wrote:
I was supposed to think about boxerfred today, but it seems like a lot of effort.
I can't decide what his backing off me means. Genuine re-read or opportunistic because i'm a rather more annoying foe than bargained for?
Are the people who were suspicious of him before now happy with him?
Not really. I feel like he is just going with thread sentiment. He backed off of you after NaCl and me made it very clear that he would not have success with that push multiple times.
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On June 09 2015 18:46 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 18:30 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 17:50 boxerfred wrote:Hm. JAT insisted on Artanis' claim to be a scum play. After like page 2-3, his filter dies, almost solely oneliners without much town stuff. Here is why I townread him in the first place: On June 08 2015 22:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On June 08 2015 22:45 justanothertownie wrote:
And you are still scumreading marv for pointing things out about you that I pointed out first while you are townreading me which is very very strange. I'm reading you town for this + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2015 06:26 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. This post is really good. The bad thing for me is that I have to trust in what he's saying on marv's and artanis' backstory in mafia, I don't have the experience to judge that. However, given how Yamato reacts to the claim ("it's so stupid to claim!!") this feels like he makes the claim look like a bad town move and not a genious scum move. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote:Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. There, Mig jumps the train, too. All those posts have one thing in common, and that is not Artanis, but Yamato. I really think he's a good lynch by now, even if he's town. Also, NaCl (who I read as town for his explanations and the idea behind his CC) made the spoilered post, mentioning Yamato in a reasonable way, too: + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2015 00:49 NaCl`y wrote:First and foremost, I'd just like to get this out of the way. I am NOT the doctor. I decided to do this for reasons twofold: 1) I felt that no individual would ever believe they were under pressure and mafia would have caught their breadcrumb and then hard claim jailkeeper on day 1. I could not believe that a town Artanis[Xp] would do this. Since I did not believe it, I had to test out his claim. I originally thought just claiming jailkeeper would make him either rescind his silly claim or if he was mafia, give up the game. He did not do this however so I concluded that from his reactions and interactions around it his claim was pretty much sincere. This is when I decided to enact the second phase of my plan. 2) I switched my claim to doctor in order to garner reactions. Since I am town and I am pretty sure Artanis[Xp] is town then the unbelievable situation is that we have both a jailkeeper and a doctor. I don't think anybody would think this would be balanced. At least, I don't think it would in a small game such as this. So, since this was the case I left it open that there were 2 healing power roles. I did want to let everyone respond but a lot of people are just afk. No matter, this led to some very interesting reactions indeed:
The first of which is Justanothertownie. I think his reaction is by far the most sincere in the game. Posts like: + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. His reactions and surprise and looking at claims while analysing which ones make sense or not is very towny of him. I am quite happy to add him to the town pile of Artanis[Xp] and Justanothertownie thus far.
prplhz is more of a toss up, I'm not sure what to believe really. His initial reaction to the claims seemed a skeptical but also as if they were not at the same time: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:58 prplhz wrote:On June 06 2015 07:55 NaCl`y wrote:
@Everyone
I do not believe there would simply be 2 protective roles in this game. I would like the input of others that have not said anything towards this, it would be appreciated. Are there likely to be 2 town protective roles? Could Artanis[Xp] be the mafia roleblocker fake claiming since they are notified and it would be a good cover for somebody that notoriously does not play as mafia? Until recently there couldn't be godfather, framer, miller, cop in same game but then suddenly there was a game with godfather, framer, miller, cop. So I'm not inclined to this setup speculation either. Honestly I haven't a clue what to make of these claims, I'm pretty horrible with claims. What I'm pretty certain of is that one of you claimers is a giant moron. post that give me pause are posts like: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:45 prplhz wrote:On June 06 2015 08:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, tell me:
1) Why would scum NaCl counterclaim if they can shoot town artanis in the night?
2) How on earth does Artanis play make sense from a town pov? Do you think he is usually a pretty stupid guy? No but I just said, the narrative of him being town, having his crumb outed, being scum read by marvellosity (who will probably get his lynch d1) and then being all frustrated and martyring and hard claiming shit, that sort of fits. Do you think scum would have done all this if they could have avoided it? This is pretty extraordinary. combined with Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 09:30 prplhz wrote:
seriously artanis has never been mislynched and that's not because he pulls off shit like this in all his town games
it's the exact opposite He pretty much outlines reasons that Artanis[Xp] could be town while still saying that we should lynch him which is incredibly confusing, hence why I'm not sure about his alignment right now.
I actually think marvellosity is mafia in this game. He has had several overblown reactions that I don't think he'd have as town and his reaction to this double protective role claiming is very sub par for him. I don't think he'd ever agree with Justanothertownie's reasoning for voting Artanis[Xp] and then just blindly lynch fuba. Ever. The reactions that I am talking about are: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:28 marvellosity wrote:On June 06 2015 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 05:26 marvellosity wrote:On June 06 2015 05:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. You are going to be so disappointed. then why did you claim? what possible motivation when you have a total of 1 vote on you? Because the thread was boring and I figured with the attention you gave to that part mafia would've certainly noticed and probably figured it out. This way at least everyone has the info. that's so bad. this is why i'm playing less and less. i can't handle the sort of nonsense yamato + artanis are pulling this game. i don't find it enjoyable. it's too bad for me to find enjoyable both Artanis[Xp] and Yamato77 were marvellosity's scum reads. Yet, when they did such utterly terrible things it garnered this reaction from marvellosity. Now, he's played quite a few games with Artanis[Xp] and from what I've seen he catches him if he is mafia quite regularly and has seen Artanis[Xp] claim things like mafia but lynched him anyway. This is a stupid claim and his initial reaction is frustration at stupidity but we find out later that marvellosity is STILL scum reading Artanis[Xp]. This, in tandem with his reaction to Yamato77 (his other scum read) seems very disingenuous. Now, getting to the part of the claims. I never expected marvellosity to just sit back on a lynch when there were 2 protective roles claimed in the thread. ESPECIALLY if one of them was his original scum read that has now been outed. However, his reactions are so meek that I can only conclude that this is a mafia marvellosity. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
yeah i guess unless someone hard counterclaims you, that might be a good idea. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Mig: the context is all in my posts, my patience levels are even lower than what they used to be, I have nothing further to add
what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly
like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely
that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway.
soooo......
Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either. He barely mentions the fact that there are 2 claims. He in fact ignores it. He bypasses this fact to then just talk about Artanis[Xp]'s reaction instead. However, it's as if he doesn't even care about it. He'd rather just sit back and lynch whoever instead of trying to figure things out. Fuba is such a cop out lynch and not something I think he'd be doing. Regardless his play this game can be surmised as: Overblown reactions to Artanis[Xp]'s stupidity and a fake reaction to Yamato77 and nothing. Also: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote:
Does mafia KP = 1 mean KP is factional and leaves room for the possibility of a mafia vigi, or is it 1 maximum? I do not think he'd ever ask this question as town. I'm actually blown away that he'd ever ask this when he 100% knows it would never get answered. He has also now claimed inactivity excuses. I think he is mafia.
Yamato77 is another person that I think is likely to be mafia. Out of all the reactions he had me scratching my head the most. He seemed to instantly believe that both claims were entirely real and that Artanis[Xp]'s post was most definitely a breadcrumb and never listened to logic that dictated otherwise. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all. Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:09 yamato77 wrote:
Fine, JAT, obviously you don't listen to me, so you can have your way.
I will have no part in this lynch however. I don't think he ever pondered the possibility that one of the claims was false or otherwise. Artanis[Xp]'s breadcrumb did not look like a breadcrumb at all and was actually in a standard phrase that many people use in mafia so "in hindsight" it still doesn't look like a breadcrumb at all. I think he has shown that he is using too much information to make a read and that becomes very evident in this situation.
I think mig's reaction: + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote:Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. actually looks quite genuine and thought out, it shows that he's analytically looking at the alignments of the big event that happened in the game so far and did some background reading to make sure. His interactions points seem a bit too surface level though so a bit hesitant to add him to a town circle but definitely not in a scummy circle quite yet either.
This is getting a bit long and i'm not sure people are going to read it so for the sake of clarity
People I am happy with and think are probably town: Artanis[Xp], justanothertownie People that I am happy with: mig, possibly fuba for analysing peoples' reactions (not mentioned in long post sorry), Alakaslam People that I am ok with: prplhz People that I have no idea about: VayneAuthority (not mentioned but I don't really have a clue, didn't like his reactions though), Chezinu (ignored most of the game), FecalFeast, People I think are scum: Marvellosity, Yamato77, boxerfred (I read his past game where he was mafia and it looked very similar)
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##vote yamato77 He also reads me as scum - well AMA then, really don't want to make you think that. Since you refer to my last game for your statement, I'll say 2 things: a) 1 game of many to come is not indicative of how I play, neither as scum nor as town. It was my first game ever on TL mafia, even my first game ever in a forum. b) Can you please point out the parallels that you are seeing so scum boxerfred can get rid of them? Nah kidding. You don't need to explain the parallels to me as of now but before you start a train on me getting a mislynch, I want to have the reasoning behind it. Since town is supposed to find scum I'm not mad at you for pointing out things on me that look scummy. It's fine, go on. I just don't like marv jumping that train. He's just adding fuel to the fire. Shame I'm adding more fuel by myself already, I need to calm down. That's fine. It is a good reason to townread me. But if marv has the same thoughts about your posting than me then that itself cannot be scummy since I am town. Ok, so you claim he is only adding fuel to the fire. Maybe. But that's not all he is doing, right? He did not focus only on you. He made quite a few posts about mig for example. Do you think those posts are scummy too? However, this is like the only post that gives a clear and big town indication. Here is his most recent top lynch list: On June 09 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Hm.
Right now I would lynch into Fuba, chezinu and maybe boxerfred too. Pretty disappointing how lazy all those suspects are. FF and Migs recent absence is also annoying. JAT, can you actually elaborate on why Fuba, why chezinu, why me? If I missed explaining posts in your filter, just quote them to me. How come you go from a solid townread to this? Do you think migs case is that good? The fact that posts are oneliners says NOTHING about their quality. I gave reasons for you being possibly mafia (I cannot imagine that you of all people forgot them either) and I repeatedly called out posts by fuba I thought were awful and/or scummy. Up to the point where I went to sleep yesterday no reason to scumread chez was required because he simply wasn't participating in the game. And as far as I see he still isn't really. I filter dived you. I pointed out why I read you town and I think that since that happened, you didn't commit to anything that would strengthen that read. Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 18:30 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 18:26 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 18:25 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 15:42 prplhz wrote:
justanothertownie's d2 impact is extremely lacking considering that he's universally townread and he has an 11 page filter. Who does he event want to kill today? On June 09 2015 15:57 Mig wrote:
What has JTA done this entire game? He is around constantly, but how many people have you seen him push to get lynched? The only person this entire game that JTA has been 100% gunho on lynching was artanis. On June 09 2015 16:35 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 09 2015 16:11 prplhz wrote:
probably not gonna read assassination/aperture.
jta is interesting to me because he hasn't done much today even though showing on d1 that he wanted to lead town. then everybody town read him and poof.
would you lynch jta over chez today if you could have it your way? i tend to agree with this I have probably done more than all 3 of you clowns together. Just sayin.If you do not know who I want to kill you did not read my filter. If you think I need to be gungho about lynching anyone as town you are wrong. Assassination is not representative of my mafia play but we can ignore that because more importantly Aperture is DEFINITELY NOT representative of my town play. I even made that a point after the game that people should not meta read me comparing to that game. Mig is probably excused because he wasn't around for that but it is probably one of the worst games you could use to try and meta me. But what's even more disturbing is how you say that the sandroba quote is fitting my play this time around? Seriously? You think I have been angry or detached this game at all? Please. What have you done besides the Artanis theory crafting? I won't even entertain this. Read my filter and you will know. I did, and I don't know. Care to explain?
No, I do not.
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On June 09 2015 18:47 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 18:32 justanothertownie wrote:
I must say boxerfred questioning me after 3 people voiced suspicion on me strikes me as very opportunistic. Well my vote is still on Vayne and I'm just asking questions that do not even imply that you're scum. I just want you to strengthen my town read on you. Is that too much to ask? I feel like you're overly defensive here.
I do not care about "strenghtening your townread". Why would you need me to strengthen the townread if I am your top townread anyways?
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On June 09 2015 18:48 marvellosity wrote:
why is your vote still on vayne exactly?
you don't push him in the thread, other people don't seem interested, but you don't seem interested that other people aren't interested
i'm interested that you don't seem interested that other people don't seem interested in your lynch choice.
interested.
Yeah, I also find that to be interestingly interesting.
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On June 09 2015 18:51 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 18:46 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 18:45 marvellosity wrote:
I was supposed to think about boxerfred today, but it seems like a lot of effort.
I can't decide what his backing off me means. Genuine re-read or opportunistic because i'm a rather more annoying foe than bargained for?
Are the people who were suspicious of him before now happy with him? Not really. I feel like he is just going with thread sentiment. He backed off of you after NaCl and me made it very clear that he would not have success with that push multiple times. If I was going with thread sentiment I would not ever have gotten in that shitwar with Marv. Also, I wouldn't have made a case on Vayne (that is still being disregarded). Also, I would have voted for Chenizu instead asking why you did not imply him. Also, I wouldn't pressure you. It's just Mig popping up and asking "Wait, why exactly is JAT town?" - and I asked specific questions that you refuse to answer. I wouldn't call that thread sentiment. Thread sentiment was basically "look there's Chez let's discuss with him in friendly banter". You might've noticed I completely refrained from that, also because I simply don't understand everything he's saying. I backed off of marv since I was advised to read his filter without the shitwar which I did.
And who did advise you to do that? ME. But you think I haven't done anything except for the Artanis thing. Good job.
And going against me after mig, prplhz and FF previously voiced suspicion IS going with thread sentiment because I think at least 2/3 of those are town.
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On June 09 2015 18:55 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 18:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 18:47 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 18:32 justanothertownie wrote:
I must say boxerfred questioning me after 3 people voiced suspicion on me strikes me as very opportunistic. Well my vote is still on Vayne and I'm just asking questions that do not even imply that you're scum. I just want you to strengthen my town read on you. Is that too much to ask? I feel like you're overly defensive here. I do not care about "strenghtening your townread". Why would you need me to strengthen the townread if I am your top townread anyways? Well you are not anymore, given your dodgy answers. If you have no interest in proving that you're town, well that's your business. Boom, tinfoil hat: if I was a scum member, I'd know already you're town and wouldn't need to test the waters. People are watching me already, why should I draw more attention to me by poking my so-far top town read?
Because you just saw some town players do it. Irrelevant.
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On June 09 2015 18:55 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 18:46 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 18:46 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 18:30 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 17:50 boxerfred wrote:Hm. JAT insisted on Artanis' claim to be a scum play. After like page 2-3, his filter dies, almost solely oneliners without much town stuff. Here is why I townread him in the first place: On June 08 2015 22:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On June 08 2015 22:45 justanothertownie wrote:
And you are still scumreading marv for pointing things out about you that I pointed out first while you are townreading me which is very very strange. I'm reading you town for this + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2015 06:26 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. This post is really good. The bad thing for me is that I have to trust in what he's saying on marv's and artanis' backstory in mafia, I don't have the experience to judge that. However, given how Yamato reacts to the claim ("it's so stupid to claim!!") this feels like he makes the claim look like a bad town move and not a genious scum move. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote:Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. There, Mig jumps the train, too. All those posts have one thing in common, and that is not Artanis, but Yamato. I really think he's a good lynch by now, even if he's town. Also, NaCl (who I read as town for his explanations and the idea behind his CC) made the spoilered post, mentioning Yamato in a reasonable way, too: + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2015 00:49 NaCl`y wrote:First and foremost, I'd just like to get this out of the way. I am NOT the doctor. I decided to do this for reasons twofold: 1) I felt that no individual would ever believe they were under pressure and mafia would have caught their breadcrumb and then hard claim jailkeeper on day 1. I could not believe that a town Artanis[Xp] would do this. Since I did not believe it, I had to test out his claim. I originally thought just claiming jailkeeper would make him either rescind his silly claim or if he was mafia, give up the game. He did not do this however so I concluded that from his reactions and interactions around it his claim was pretty much sincere. This is when I decided to enact the second phase of my plan. 2) I switched my claim to doctor in order to garner reactions. Since I am town and I am pretty sure Artanis[Xp] is town then the unbelievable situation is that we have both a jailkeeper and a doctor. I don't think anybody would think this would be balanced. At least, I don't think it would in a small game such as this. So, since this was the case I left it open that there were 2 healing power roles. I did want to let everyone respond but a lot of people are just afk. No matter, this led to some very interesting reactions indeed:
The first of which is Justanothertownie. I think his reaction is by far the most sincere in the game. Posts like: + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. His reactions and surprise and looking at claims while analysing which ones make sense or not is very towny of him. I am quite happy to add him to the town pile of Artanis[Xp] and Justanothertownie thus far.
prplhz is more of a toss up, I'm not sure what to believe really. His initial reaction to the claims seemed a skeptical but also as if they were not at the same time: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:58 prplhz wrote:On June 06 2015 07:55 NaCl`y wrote:
@Everyone
I do not believe there would simply be 2 protective roles in this game. I would like the input of others that have not said anything towards this, it would be appreciated. Are there likely to be 2 town protective roles? Could Artanis[Xp] be the mafia roleblocker fake claiming since they are notified and it would be a good cover for somebody that notoriously does not play as mafia? Until recently there couldn't be godfather, framer, miller, cop in same game but then suddenly there was a game with godfather, framer, miller, cop. So I'm not inclined to this setup speculation either. Honestly I haven't a clue what to make of these claims, I'm pretty horrible with claims. What I'm pretty certain of is that one of you claimers is a giant moron. post that give me pause are posts like: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:45 prplhz wrote:On June 06 2015 08:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, tell me:
1) Why would scum NaCl counterclaim if they can shoot town artanis in the night?
2) How on earth does Artanis play make sense from a town pov? Do you think he is usually a pretty stupid guy? No but I just said, the narrative of him being town, having his crumb outed, being scum read by marvellosity (who will probably get his lynch d1) and then being all frustrated and martyring and hard claiming shit, that sort of fits. Do you think scum would have done all this if they could have avoided it? This is pretty extraordinary. combined with Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 09:30 prplhz wrote:
seriously artanis has never been mislynched and that's not because he pulls off shit like this in all his town games
it's the exact opposite He pretty much outlines reasons that Artanis[Xp] could be town while still saying that we should lynch him which is incredibly confusing, hence why I'm not sure about his alignment right now.
I actually think marvellosity is mafia in this game. He has had several overblown reactions that I don't think he'd have as town and his reaction to this double protective role claiming is very sub par for him. I don't think he'd ever agree with Justanothertownie's reasoning for voting Artanis[Xp] and then just blindly lynch fuba. Ever. The reactions that I am talking about are: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:28 marvellosity wrote:On June 06 2015 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 05:26 marvellosity wrote:On June 06 2015 05:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. You are going to be so disappointed. then why did you claim? what possible motivation when you have a total of 1 vote on you? Because the thread was boring and I figured with the attention you gave to that part mafia would've certainly noticed and probably figured it out. This way at least everyone has the info. that's so bad. this is why i'm playing less and less. i can't handle the sort of nonsense yamato + artanis are pulling this game. i don't find it enjoyable. it's too bad for me to find enjoyable both Artanis[Xp] and Yamato77 were marvellosity's scum reads. Yet, when they did such utterly terrible things it garnered this reaction from marvellosity. Now, he's played quite a few games with Artanis[Xp] and from what I've seen he catches him if he is mafia quite regularly and has seen Artanis[Xp] claim things like mafia but lynched him anyway. This is a stupid claim and his initial reaction is frustration at stupidity but we find out later that marvellosity is STILL scum reading Artanis[Xp]. This, in tandem with his reaction to Yamato77 (his other scum read) seems very disingenuous. Now, getting to the part of the claims. I never expected marvellosity to just sit back on a lynch when there were 2 protective roles claimed in the thread. ESPECIALLY if one of them was his original scum read that has now been outed. However, his reactions are so meek that I can only conclude that this is a mafia marvellosity. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
yeah i guess unless someone hard counterclaims you, that might be a good idea. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Mig: the context is all in my posts, my patience levels are even lower than what they used to be, I have nothing further to add
what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly
like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely
that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway.
soooo......
Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either. He barely mentions the fact that there are 2 claims. He in fact ignores it. He bypasses this fact to then just talk about Artanis[Xp]'s reaction instead. However, it's as if he doesn't even care about it. He'd rather just sit back and lynch whoever instead of trying to figure things out. Fuba is such a cop out lynch and not something I think he'd be doing. Regardless his play this game can be surmised as: Overblown reactions to Artanis[Xp]'s stupidity and a fake reaction to Yamato77 and nothing. Also: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote:
Does mafia KP = 1 mean KP is factional and leaves room for the possibility of a mafia vigi, or is it 1 maximum? I do not think he'd ever ask this question as town. I'm actually blown away that he'd ever ask this when he 100% knows it would never get answered. He has also now claimed inactivity excuses. I think he is mafia.
Yamato77 is another person that I think is likely to be mafia. Out of all the reactions he had me scratching my head the most. He seemed to instantly believe that both claims were entirely real and that Artanis[Xp]'s post was most definitely a breadcrumb and never listened to logic that dictated otherwise. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all. Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:09 yamato77 wrote:
Fine, JAT, obviously you don't listen to me, so you can have your way.
I will have no part in this lynch however. I don't think he ever pondered the possibility that one of the claims was false or otherwise. Artanis[Xp]'s breadcrumb did not look like a breadcrumb at all and was actually in a standard phrase that many people use in mafia so "in hindsight" it still doesn't look like a breadcrumb at all. I think he has shown that he is using too much information to make a read and that becomes very evident in this situation.
I think mig's reaction: + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote:Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. actually looks quite genuine and thought out, it shows that he's analytically looking at the alignments of the big event that happened in the game so far and did some background reading to make sure. His interactions points seem a bit too surface level though so a bit hesitant to add him to a town circle but definitely not in a scummy circle quite yet either.
This is getting a bit long and i'm not sure people are going to read it so for the sake of clarity
People I am happy with and think are probably town: Artanis[Xp], justanothertownie People that I am happy with: mig, possibly fuba for analysing peoples' reactions (not mentioned in long post sorry), Alakaslam People that I am ok with: prplhz People that I have no idea about: VayneAuthority (not mentioned but I don't really have a clue, didn't like his reactions though), Chezinu (ignored most of the game), FecalFeast, People I think are scum: Marvellosity, Yamato77, boxerfred (I read his past game where he was mafia and it looked very similar)
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##vote yamato77 He also reads me as scum - well AMA then, really don't want to make you think that. Since you refer to my last game for your statement, I'll say 2 things: a) 1 game of many to come is not indicative of how I play, neither as scum nor as town. It was my first game ever on TL mafia, even my first game ever in a forum. b) Can you please point out the parallels that you are seeing so scum boxerfred can get rid of them? Nah kidding. You don't need to explain the parallels to me as of now but before you start a train on me getting a mislynch, I want to have the reasoning behind it. Since town is supposed to find scum I'm not mad at you for pointing out things on me that look scummy. It's fine, go on. I just don't like marv jumping that train. He's just adding fuel to the fire. Shame I'm adding more fuel by myself already, I need to calm down. That's fine. It is a good reason to townread me. But if marv has the same thoughts about your posting than me then that itself cannot be scummy since I am town. Ok, so you claim he is only adding fuel to the fire. Maybe. But that's not all he is doing, right? He did not focus only on you. He made quite a few posts about mig for example. Do you think those posts are scummy too? However, this is like the only post that gives a clear and big town indication. Here is his most recent top lynch list: On June 09 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Hm.
Right now I would lynch into Fuba, chezinu and maybe boxerfred too. Pretty disappointing how lazy all those suspects are. FF and Migs recent absence is also annoying. JAT, can you actually elaborate on why Fuba, why chezinu, why me? If I missed explaining posts in your filter, just quote them to me. How come you go from a solid townread to this? Do you think migs case is that good? The fact that posts are oneliners says NOTHING about their quality. I gave reasons for you being possibly mafia (I cannot imagine that you of all people forgot them either) and I repeatedly called out posts by fuba I thought were awful and/or scummy. Up to the point where I went to sleep yesterday no reason to scumread chez was required because he simply wasn't participating in the game. And as far as I see he still isn't really. I filter dived you. I pointed out why I read you town and I think that since that happened, you didn't commit to anything that would strengthen that read. On June 09 2015 18:30 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 18:26 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 18:25 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 15:42 prplhz wrote:
justanothertownie's d2 impact is extremely lacking considering that he's universally townread and he has an 11 page filter. Who does he event want to kill today? On June 09 2015 15:57 Mig wrote:
What has JTA done this entire game? He is around constantly, but how many people have you seen him push to get lynched? The only person this entire game that JTA has been 100% gunho on lynching was artanis. On June 09 2015 16:35 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 09 2015 16:11 prplhz wrote:
probably not gonna read assassination/aperture.
jta is interesting to me because he hasn't done much today even though showing on d1 that he wanted to lead town. then everybody town read him and poof.
would you lynch jta over chez today if you could have it your way? i tend to agree with this I have probably done more than all 3 of you clowns together. Just sayin.If you do not know who I want to kill you did not read my filter. If you think I need to be gungho about lynching anyone as town you are wrong. Assassination is not representative of my mafia play but we can ignore that because more importantly Aperture is DEFINITELY NOT representative of my town play. I even made that a point after the game that people should not meta read me comparing to that game. Mig is probably excused because he wasn't around for that but it is probably one of the worst games you could use to try and meta me. But what's even more disturbing is how you say that the sandroba quote is fitting my play this time around? Seriously? You think I have been angry or detached this game at all? Please. What have you done besides the Artanis theory crafting? I won't even entertain this. Read my filter and you will know. I did, and I don't know. Care to explain? No, I do not. You really make me want to vote you with that stuff.
I would call you bad for this but that would be unfair since you are so new. If someone openly refuses to do useless requests like that for you while talking about more important things that is generally not a scumtell.
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On June 09 2015 18:58 Mig wrote:
Ebwop sheeping not sleeping
Close one. Marv would have loved that one.
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On June 09 2015 18:59 marvellosity wrote:
*as i am implying -> he is implying
You said "I think those players are town:" without any caveat and listed me. I don't think you have ever done this when I was scum since heavyweight.
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On June 09 2015 19:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 18:58 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 18:58 Mig wrote:
Ebwop sheeping not sleeping Close one. Marv would have loved that one. not close, i'm there. i have it quotable :D
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On June 09 2015 19:03 marvellosity wrote:
this could be the game :p
No, it couldn't and you know it.
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On June 09 2015 19:06 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 18:54 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 18:51 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 18:46 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 18:45 marvellosity wrote:
I was supposed to think about boxerfred today, but it seems like a lot of effort.
I can't decide what his backing off me means. Genuine re-read or opportunistic because i'm a rather more annoying foe than bargained for?
Are the people who were suspicious of him before now happy with him? Not really. I feel like he is just going with thread sentiment. He backed off of you after NaCl and me made it very clear that he would not have success with that push multiple times. If I was going with thread sentiment I would not ever have gotten in that shitwar with Marv. Also, I wouldn't have made a case on Vayne (that is still being disregarded). Also, I would have voted for Chenizu instead asking why you did not imply him. Also, I wouldn't pressure you. It's just Mig popping up and asking "Wait, why exactly is JAT town?" - and I asked specific questions that you refuse to answer. I wouldn't call that thread sentiment. Thread sentiment was basically "look there's Chez let's discuss with him in friendly banter". You might've noticed I completely refrained from that, also because I simply don't understand everything he's saying. I backed off of marv since I was advised to read his filter without the shitwar which I did. And who did advise you to do that? ME. But you think I haven't done anything except for the Artanis thing. Good job. And going against me after mig, prplhz and FF previously voiced suspicion IS going with thread sentiment because I think at least 2/3 of those are town. True that! See, you actually CAN point to something. That's all I wanted. Well done.
r u srs
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On June 09 2015 19:08 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 18:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 18:55 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 18:46 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 18:46 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 18:30 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 17:50 boxerfred wrote:Hm. JAT insisted on Artanis' claim to be a scum play. After like page 2-3, his filter dies, almost solely oneliners without much town stuff. Here is why I townread him in the first place: On June 08 2015 22:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 08 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote:On June 08 2015 22:45 justanothertownie wrote:
And you are still scumreading marv for pointing things out about you that I pointed out first while you are townreading me which is very very strange. I'm reading you town for this + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2015 06:26 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. This post is really good. The bad thing for me is that I have to trust in what he's saying on marv's and artanis' backstory in mafia, I don't have the experience to judge that. However, given how Yamato reacts to the claim ("it's so stupid to claim!!") this feels like he makes the claim look like a bad town move and not a genious scum move. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote:Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. There, Mig jumps the train, too. All those posts have one thing in common, and that is not Artanis, but Yamato. I really think he's a good lynch by now, even if he's town. Also, NaCl (who I read as town for his explanations and the idea behind his CC) made the spoilered post, mentioning Yamato in a reasonable way, too: + Show Spoiler +On June 07 2015 00:49 NaCl`y wrote:First and foremost, I'd just like to get this out of the way. I am NOT the doctor. I decided to do this for reasons twofold: 1) I felt that no individual would ever believe they were under pressure and mafia would have caught their breadcrumb and then hard claim jailkeeper on day 1. I could not believe that a town Artanis[Xp] would do this. Since I did not believe it, I had to test out his claim. I originally thought just claiming jailkeeper would make him either rescind his silly claim or if he was mafia, give up the game. He did not do this however so I concluded that from his reactions and interactions around it his claim was pretty much sincere. This is when I decided to enact the second phase of my plan. 2) I switched my claim to doctor in order to garner reactions. Since I am town and I am pretty sure Artanis[Xp] is town then the unbelievable situation is that we have both a jailkeeper and a doctor. I don't think anybody would think this would be balanced. At least, I don't think it would in a small game such as this. So, since this was the case I left it open that there were 2 healing power roles. I did want to let everyone respond but a lot of people are just afk. No matter, this led to some very interesting reactions indeed:
The first of which is Justanothertownie. I think his reaction is by far the most sincere in the game. Posts like: + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this:
First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game:
The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim?
The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched).
On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots.
So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he?
Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation?
The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit.
If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote:On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote:
@Artanis
I think you know which ruse I am talking about.
I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. His reactions and surprise and looking at claims while analysing which ones make sense or not is very towny of him. I am quite happy to add him to the town pile of Artanis[Xp] and Justanothertownie thus far.
prplhz is more of a toss up, I'm not sure what to believe really. His initial reaction to the claims seemed a skeptical but also as if they were not at the same time: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:58 prplhz wrote:On June 06 2015 07:55 NaCl`y wrote:
@Everyone
I do not believe there would simply be 2 protective roles in this game. I would like the input of others that have not said anything towards this, it would be appreciated. Are there likely to be 2 town protective roles? Could Artanis[Xp] be the mafia roleblocker fake claiming since they are notified and it would be a good cover for somebody that notoriously does not play as mafia? Until recently there couldn't be godfather, framer, miller, cop in same game but then suddenly there was a game with godfather, framer, miller, cop. So I'm not inclined to this setup speculation either. Honestly I haven't a clue what to make of these claims, I'm pretty horrible with claims. What I'm pretty certain of is that one of you claimers is a giant moron. post that give me pause are posts like: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:45 prplhz wrote:On June 06 2015 08:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, tell me:
1) Why would scum NaCl counterclaim if they can shoot town artanis in the night?
2) How on earth does Artanis play make sense from a town pov? Do you think he is usually a pretty stupid guy? No but I just said, the narrative of him being town, having his crumb outed, being scum read by marvellosity (who will probably get his lynch d1) and then being all frustrated and martyring and hard claiming shit, that sort of fits. Do you think scum would have done all this if they could have avoided it? This is pretty extraordinary. combined with Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 09:30 prplhz wrote:
seriously artanis has never been mislynched and that's not because he pulls off shit like this in all his town games
it's the exact opposite He pretty much outlines reasons that Artanis[Xp] could be town while still saying that we should lynch him which is incredibly confusing, hence why I'm not sure about his alignment right now.
I actually think marvellosity is mafia in this game. He has had several overblown reactions that I don't think he'd have as town and his reaction to this double protective role claiming is very sub par for him. I don't think he'd ever agree with Justanothertownie's reasoning for voting Artanis[Xp] and then just blindly lynch fuba. Ever. The reactions that I am talking about are: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:28 marvellosity wrote:On June 06 2015 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 05:26 marvellosity wrote:On June 06 2015 05:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. You are going to be so disappointed. then why did you claim? what possible motivation when you have a total of 1 vote on you? Because the thread was boring and I figured with the attention you gave to that part mafia would've certainly noticed and probably figured it out. This way at least everyone has the info. that's so bad. this is why i'm playing less and less. i can't handle the sort of nonsense yamato + artanis are pulling this game. i don't find it enjoyable. it's too bad for me to find enjoyable both Artanis[Xp] and Yamato77 were marvellosity's scum reads. Yet, when they did such utterly terrible things it garnered this reaction from marvellosity. Now, he's played quite a few games with Artanis[Xp] and from what I've seen he catches him if he is mafia quite regularly and has seen Artanis[Xp] claim things like mafia but lynched him anyway. This is a stupid claim and his initial reaction is frustration at stupidity but we find out later that marvellosity is STILL scum reading Artanis[Xp]. This, in tandem with his reaction to Yamato77 (his other scum read) seems very disingenuous. Now, getting to the part of the claims. I never expected marvellosity to just sit back on a lynch when there were 2 protective roles claimed in the thread. ESPECIALLY if one of them was his original scum read that has now been outed. However, his reactions are so meek that I can only conclude that this is a mafia marvellosity. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote:
There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here.
None.
He is scum. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
yeah i guess unless someone hard counterclaims you, that might be a good idea. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
Mig: the context is all in my posts, my patience levels are even lower than what they used to be, I have nothing further to add
what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly
like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely
that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway.
soooo......
Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either. He barely mentions the fact that there are 2 claims. He in fact ignores it. He bypasses this fact to then just talk about Artanis[Xp]'s reaction instead. However, it's as if he doesn't even care about it. He'd rather just sit back and lynch whoever instead of trying to figure things out. Fuba is such a cop out lynch and not something I think he'd be doing. Regardless his play this game can be surmised as: Overblown reactions to Artanis[Xp]'s stupidity and a fake reaction to Yamato77 and nothing. Also: Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote:
Does mafia KP = 1 mean KP is factional and leaves room for the possibility of a mafia vigi, or is it 1 maximum? I do not think he'd ever ask this question as town. I'm actually blown away that he'd ever ask this when he 100% knows it would never get answered. He has also now claimed inactivity excuses. I think he is mafia.
Yamato77 is another person that I think is likely to be mafia. Out of all the reactions he had me scratching my head the most. He seemed to instantly believe that both claims were entirely real and that Artanis[Xp]'s post was most definitely a breadcrumb and never listened to logic that dictated otherwise. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all. Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 08:09 yamato77 wrote:
Fine, JAT, obviously you don't listen to me, so you can have your way.
I will have no part in this lynch however. I don't think he ever pondered the possibility that one of the claims was false or otherwise. Artanis[Xp]'s breadcrumb did not look like a breadcrumb at all and was actually in a standard phrase that many people use in mafia so "in hindsight" it still doesn't look like a breadcrumb at all. I think he has shown that he is using too much information to make a read and that becomes very evident in this situation.
I think mig's reaction: + Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote:Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. actually looks quite genuine and thought out, it shows that he's analytically looking at the alignments of the big event that happened in the game so far and did some background reading to make sure. His interactions points seem a bit too surface level though so a bit hesitant to add him to a town circle but definitely not in a scummy circle quite yet either.
This is getting a bit long and i'm not sure people are going to read it so for the sake of clarity
People I am happy with and think are probably town: Artanis[Xp], justanothertownie People that I am happy with: mig, possibly fuba for analysing peoples' reactions (not mentioned in long post sorry), Alakaslam People that I am ok with: prplhz People that I have no idea about: VayneAuthority (not mentioned but I don't really have a clue, didn't like his reactions though), Chezinu (ignored most of the game), FecalFeast, People I think are scum: Marvellosity, Yamato77, boxerfred (I read his past game where he was mafia and it looked very similar)
##unvote
##vote yamato77 He also reads me as scum - well AMA then, really don't want to make you think that. Since you refer to my last game for your statement, I'll say 2 things: a) 1 game of many to come is not indicative of how I play, neither as scum nor as town. It was my first game ever on TL mafia, even my first game ever in a forum. b) Can you please point out the parallels that you are seeing so scum boxerfred can get rid of them? Nah kidding. You don't need to explain the parallels to me as of now but before you start a train on me getting a mislynch, I want to have the reasoning behind it. Since town is supposed to find scum I'm not mad at you for pointing out things on me that look scummy. It's fine, go on. I just don't like marv jumping that train. He's just adding fuel to the fire. Shame I'm adding more fuel by myself already, I need to calm down. That's fine. It is a good reason to townread me. But if marv has the same thoughts about your posting than me then that itself cannot be scummy since I am town. Ok, so you claim he is only adding fuel to the fire. Maybe. But that's not all he is doing, right? He did not focus only on you. He made quite a few posts about mig for example. Do you think those posts are scummy too? However, this is like the only post that gives a clear and big town indication. Here is his most recent top lynch list: On June 09 2015 01:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Hm.
Right now I would lynch into Fuba, chezinu and maybe boxerfred too. Pretty disappointing how lazy all those suspects are. FF and Migs recent absence is also annoying. JAT, can you actually elaborate on why Fuba, why chezinu, why me? If I missed explaining posts in your filter, just quote them to me. How come you go from a solid townread to this? Do you think migs case is that good? The fact that posts are oneliners says NOTHING about their quality. I gave reasons for you being possibly mafia (I cannot imagine that you of all people forgot them either) and I repeatedly called out posts by fuba I thought were awful and/or scummy. Up to the point where I went to sleep yesterday no reason to scumread chez was required because he simply wasn't participating in the game. And as far as I see he still isn't really. I filter dived you. I pointed out why I read you town and I think that since that happened, you didn't commit to anything that would strengthen that read. On June 09 2015 18:30 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 18:26 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 18:25 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 15:42 prplhz wrote:
justanothertownie's d2 impact is extremely lacking considering that he's universally townread and he has an 11 page filter. Who does he event want to kill today? On June 09 2015 15:57 Mig wrote:
What has JTA done this entire game? He is around constantly, but how many people have you seen him push to get lynched? The only person this entire game that JTA has been 100% gunho on lynching was artanis. On June 09 2015 16:35 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 09 2015 16:11 prplhz wrote:
probably not gonna read assassination/aperture.
jta is interesting to me because he hasn't done much today even though showing on d1 that he wanted to lead town. then everybody town read him and poof.
would you lynch jta over chez today if you could have it your way? i tend to agree with this I have probably done more than all 3 of you clowns together. Just sayin.If you do not know who I want to kill you did not read my filter. If you think I need to be gungho about lynching anyone as town you are wrong. Assassination is not representative of my mafia play but we can ignore that because more importantly Aperture is DEFINITELY NOT representative of my town play. I even made that a point after the game that people should not meta read me comparing to that game. Mig is probably excused because he wasn't around for that but it is probably one of the worst games you could use to try and meta me. But what's even more disturbing is how you say that the sandroba quote is fitting my play this time around? Seriously? You think I have been angry or detached this game at all? Please. What have you done besides the Artanis theory crafting? I won't even entertain this. Read my filter and you will know. I did, and I don't know. Care to explain? No, I do not. You really make me want to vote you with that stuff. I would call you bad for this but that would be unfair since you are so new. If someone openly refuses to do useless requests like that for you while talking about more important things that is generally not a scumtell. Wow thanks so much great master!
No problem, I am here to help.
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On June 09 2015 19:09 boxerfred wrote:
w00t gonna get out of here, the tone is like really unforgiving. I'm trying my best, if I'm just a bad player, lynch me already and see which side I flip.
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On June 09 2015 19:13 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 19:12 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:04 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:03 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 18:54 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 18:54 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 18:53 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 18:48 marvellosity wrote:
why is your vote still on vayne exactly?
you don't push him in the thread, other people don't seem interested, but you don't seem interested that other people aren't interested
i'm interested that you don't seem interested that other people don't seem interested in your lynch choice.
interested. I don't see any reason to unvote someone who is not replying to pressure. Like, you all went on the Chez train because "oh he's not here" and now that he's here you start saying "nah he doesn't look so scummy anyways". I might do the same depending on his replies but as long as there are no replies, well why should I change my stance? Show me this. Given my last words about Chez were "i'd happily die to take you [Chez] down" On June 09 2015 17:58 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 17:29 Mig wrote:
Chezy I don't think you actually think I am mafia.
Your hatter claim is obviously bs, that role is too fun for you, 0 chance you forget about the game as a hatter. The only reason you are claiming I am mafia is because you are claiming that I am mafia team mates with marv and now am trying to save him. Really don't think you believe that.
I guess that probably means you are mafia and now just spamming stuff you don't believe to distract the thread and cause chaos. I agree with this btw. There's no reason for Chez to think I am mafia (and i am not). Push on FF was ?? and is now gone with the wind. Now he's bringing Mig into it? meh whatever. i'd happily die to take you down, chez my friend I just re-read the last pages and apparently, I was wrong with that. Still got the feeling though that besides the votes on Chez, noone is really trying to read into his posts and find out what's going on. What do you take from this observation? This is a perfectly civil question you could answer it. Chez' filter is basically unreadable and really strange so why would anyone dive in there and try to find something? Feels like reading a pothead's diary.
Exactly!
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On June 09 2015 19:15 boxerfred wrote:Can't extract a point of such weirdness, sorry.
wat, you just questioned why people aren't trying to read into his posts.
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On June 09 2015 19:19 boxerfred wrote:
1. marv is wrong, I am interested. My vote is still on. He didn't post too much since my case so what am I supposed to add to it now?
Well, but apparently noone else is interested and that does not seem to bother you.
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Can't decide if most obvious mafia ever or not.
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On June 09 2015 19:27 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:22 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
the *point* is that you made the point about Chez *because* I questioned you on Vayne, so you turned it around to people talking or backing off Chez
one caused the other No. I did not make a point. I simply wrote about a fucking filter observation not coming to any conclusion or point. I came to that conclusion when you asked your questions 2 minutes ago. stop reading stuff into my posts that is not there. You made the fucking point to deflect off me questioning you on Vayne I don't see any reason to unvote someone who is not replying to pressure. Like, you all went on the Chez train because "oh he's not here" and now that he's here you start saying "nah he doesn't look so scummy anyways". I might do the same depending on his replies but as long as there are no replies, well why should I change my stance? "why would I unvote Vayne? Here! Look at what you guys are doing with Chez!" that was precisely your defence here. What the fuck. So I explained thoroughly why I am voting Vayne. Of course I am showing what you guys are doing on Chez since I feel like noone even cares to look at my points on Vayne. Did you even check my points on Vayne by now? No? Cool shit.
I distinctly remember telling you that VA doing jackshit does not make him scum and that he tends to not give a fuck as town.
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On June 09 2015 19:27 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Can't decide if most obvious mafia ever or not. Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 19:25 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:23 boxerfred wrote:
not gonna continue that circlejerk now. you can't keep running away and martyring every time the heat is on. Firstly, that makes you a pussy. Secondly, that makes you a pussy. Can't decide if strong scum tag team or simply circlejerking nerds.
lol
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On June 09 2015 19:29 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 19:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 19:27 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:22 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
the *point* is that you made the point about Chez *because* I questioned you on Vayne, so you turned it around to people talking or backing off Chez
one caused the other No. I did not make a point. I simply wrote about a fucking filter observation not coming to any conclusion or point. I came to that conclusion when you asked your questions 2 minutes ago. stop reading stuff into my posts that is not there. You made the fucking point to deflect off me questioning you on Vayne I don't see any reason to unvote someone who is not replying to pressure. Like, you all went on the Chez train because "oh he's not here" and now that he's here you start saying "nah he doesn't look so scummy anyways". I might do the same depending on his replies but as long as there are no replies, well why should I change my stance? "why would I unvote Vayne? Here! Look at what you guys are doing with Chez!" that was precisely your defence here. What the fuck. So I explained thoroughly why I am voting Vayne. Of course I am showing what you guys are doing on Chez since I feel like noone even cares to look at my points on Vayne. Did you even check my points on Vayne by now? No? Cool shit. I distinctly remember telling you that VA doing jackshit does not make him scum and that he tends to not give a fuck as town. I distinctly remember that I played one game of Mafia thus far here and can't tell if you're right.
Ok, then ask ANYONE else if it is true. We can't all be mafia. Why did you not do that?
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You could also have a look at Vaynes past games to doublecheck.
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On June 09 2015 19:31 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 19:30 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 19:29 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 19:27 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:22 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
the *point* is that you made the point about Chez *because* I questioned you on Vayne, so you turned it around to people talking or backing off Chez
one caused the other No. I did not make a point. I simply wrote about a fucking filter observation not coming to any conclusion or point. I came to that conclusion when you asked your questions 2 minutes ago. stop reading stuff into my posts that is not there. You made the fucking point to deflect off me questioning you on Vayne I don't see any reason to unvote someone who is not replying to pressure. Like, you all went on the Chez train because "oh he's not here" and now that he's here you start saying "nah he doesn't look so scummy anyways". I might do the same depending on his replies but as long as there are no replies, well why should I change my stance? "why would I unvote Vayne? Here! Look at what you guys are doing with Chez!" that was precisely your defence here. What the fuck. So I explained thoroughly why I am voting Vayne. Of course I am showing what you guys are doing on Chez since I feel like noone even cares to look at my points on Vayne. Did you even check my points on Vayne by now? No? Cool shit. I distinctly remember telling you that VA doing jackshit does not make him scum and that he tends to not give a fuck as town. I distinctly remember that I played one game of Mafia thus far here and can't tell if you're right. Ok, then ask ANYONE else if it is true. We can't all be mafia. Why did you not do that? Sorry was busy circlejerking and overly defensive. So you're saying "Vayne is not scum despite the points raised since he's normally absent when he's town"?
I am not saying VA cannot be scum under any circumstances but him being absent and openly not caring at all is generally more a town than a scumtell for him. So I think he is a pretty bad lynch right now.
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On June 09 2015 19:33 prplhz wrote:
list of people jat has needlessly pissed off this game ordered chronologically
Your point being? And if Artanis was needless then I do not know what to tell you.
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On June 09 2015 19:33 prplhz wrote:
jat maybe you can not be a dick and we'd all have a better time?
Can you maybe play the game instead of whining about my play and we'd all have a better time? I wouldn't even have to be mean to you.
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On June 09 2015 19:36 marvellosity wrote:
we could just not lynch anyone today, and all agree how amazingly townie i am after all.
We could also not do that :p
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On June 09 2015 19:41 prplhz wrote:
i only have to talk to jat for a few posts for his dumb bullshit to piss me off so much i can't do anything else.
this boxerfred thing, i sort of get the TMI argument but it's not strong enough. the guy is around and doing tons of shit while getting shat on. again, i totally see where the martyring/frustration after talking to jat comes from. artanis had it, i sort of had it, marv had it? now boxer has it. lynching someone for martyring after they have talked to jat who is a fucking asshole is just not sound.
and i don't want to be in lylo with chez because then i know i'm just going to lynch him over anyone else (i know it's not lylo tomorrow). i don't like his posting after we started pushing him either.
At least I am not openly insulting people so I have that going for me.
I also wasn't the only one interrogating boxerfred. And saying he is doing tons of shit - where on earth does that come from? Do you think his answers to me and marv made sense? If so - how?
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On June 09 2015 19:41 prplhz wrote:
and i don't want to be in lylo with chez because then i know i'm just going to lynch him over anyone else (i know it's not lylo tomorrow). i don't like his posting after we started pushing him either.
Btw I agree with this to some degree.
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On June 09 2015 19:46 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 19:45 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:41 prplhz wrote:
i only have to talk to jat for a few posts for his dumb bullshit to piss me off so much i can't do anything else.
this boxerfred thing, i sort of get the TMI argument but it's not strong enough. the guy is around and doing tons of shit while getting shat on. again, i totally see where the martyring/frustration after talking to jat comes from. artanis had it, i sort of had it, marv had it? now boxer has it. lynching someone for martyring after they have talked to jat who is a fucking asshole is just not sound.
and i don't want to be in lylo with chez because then i know i'm just going to lynch him over anyone else (i know it's not lylo tomorrow). i don't like his posting after we started pushing him either. this makes me sad because you are not reading what i am saying about boxerfred. sigh i saw you point on how he talked about chez. sometimes people make general observations for no particular reason.
That's not the point though.
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On June 09 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 19:58 prplhz wrote:
so your point is that he's saying "i'm voting vayne for the same reason you're voting chez" and then that's scummy? hmm not really/quite but if you can't read/understand it i can't really be bothered to explain at this stage
On June 07 2015 04:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 04:55 prplhz wrote:On June 07 2015 04:54 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 04:53 prplhz wrote:
and no you didn't say "unclaim immediately"
if you read your post you said "if you unclaim then you should be lynched" You should read and try to understand the whole post before you accuse me of something stupid. it's 1 fucking sentence, there's no hidden meaning. "if you unclaim, you will be lynched". that is what you say. what the fuck? Are you really unable to read?
This guy is still openly stealing my reads.
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On June 09 2015 22:30 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 15:40 prplhz wrote:
@Half the Sky I guess you're sort of excused since you just replaced in so I'm just going to give you some leeway. However I don't remember a single post you made so maybe you could write a memorable one about why you're lynching Chezinu? Stopped in the low 30s of the thread last night, but based on the information I had: 1 Chez hadn't done jack all through the point I stopped reading 2 When he reappeared in thread he and Marv have a dispute on lurkiness which Marv effectively disproves (and happens to be one of the main points why Chez is voting Marv) - I ask him to comment on the part where Marv says he doesn't like the push on Fecalfeast. So my expectation is that Chez either would have followed up on that comment (I specifically asked Chez why he left that part out) or continue his push on Fecalfeast or try and flesh out his alignment. He did neither from what I could tell.
I would advise you to just catch up as soon as possible without feeling the need to give updated thoughts in between. There is no way you are getting lynched today so no need to contribute without being caught up.
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On June 09 2015 23:03 NaCl`y wrote:
I am also potentially liking a Fuba vote more and more.
See? Then we are all agreeing on my 3 top targets. Chez, Fuba and boxer. Would probably lynch all of them.
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On June 09 2015 23:13 marvellosity wrote:
not lynching fuba today i don't think
Why? Any reason to townread him or do you just think the others are more scummy?
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On June 09 2015 23:19 Half the Sky wrote:
JAT what is your main issue with Fuba? Aside from lurkiness. But from hosting Carnaval, he is not a high-count poster. I think even VA pointed it out that game.
I know from content he accepted Artanis' claim without considering anything else that bugged me.
I know that he is a lurker regardless of alignment. What you say is one of the points against him and I repeatedly pointed out posts by him that were just all around awful. His sparse contributions were not good or towny in my eyes. I can give him one more day while killing chez but I don't see the slightest reason to assume that he is town.
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On June 09 2015 23:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 23:17 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 23:13 marvellosity wrote:
not lynching fuba today i don't think Why? Any reason to townread him or do you just think the others are more scummy? maybe both? I know it sounds silly to say 2nd half of d2, but i kinda want to give him more time... i can see him being town
It would be more helpful if you had any actual reason or could show me a post that makes you think so and why.
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On June 09 2015 23:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 23:25 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 23:20 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 23:17 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 23:13 marvellosity wrote:
not lynching fuba today i don't think Why? Any reason to townread him or do you just think the others are more scummy? maybe both? I know it sounds silly to say 2nd half of d2, but i kinda want to give him more time... i can see him being town It would be more helpful if you had any actual reason or could show me a post that makes you think so and why. it would, but it seems like unnecessary effort unless he's in genuine danger of being lynched.
lazy jerk
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There aren't even that many posts of his. It can't be that hard :/
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On June 09 2015 23:35 marvellosity wrote:
it can because it's difficult to explain and my feelings aren't that strong about it, so i'd essentially be spending many sentences thinking & waffling on something i don't have conviction on anyway, and i cba.
You are awful.
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That doesn't make it better.
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That makes it even worse.
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On June 10 2015 00:00 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 22:59 fuba wrote:
I will say that the scummiest thing about vane isn't even anything he did. In yamato's last game, he opened with an instant vote for VA. Basically a policy lynch. I think he could have done the same thing this game and not looked suspicious, but he didn't. Maybe because he didn't want to bus so early? *shrugs*
(At work for the next few hours) Alright Marv (from your quote on this), I am also having this same problem with this quote he says on Vayne. Vayne doesn't post much as either alignment, and even as scum he's not as tryhard as he was supposedly before (well I learnt that the hard way in Aperture 4). I also don't understand the associative read that he makes between yam and VA here. Fuba are you referring to the timing of the vote here that makes Vayne scummy? Had to read this more than a few times now. I checked the vote count and VA voted Chez so I am completely confused by this? In any case looking at the rest of the filter, I still would have expected some followup if he had a problem with Vayne. Even a one-liner for what it was worth.
FUba is saying he would expect yamato to vote for VA again if he was town which is a quite ridiculous thing to say.
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On June 10 2015 00:06 marvellosity wrote:
it is a ridiculous point but i don't think it's a uniquely mafia ridiculous point
its main quality is ridiculousness
Yes. But if all you show is ridiculousness that's generally not a point in your favor.
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On June 10 2015 00:09 marvellosity wrote:
i dno.
as a devil's advocate i might posit that townies are in general more ridiculous than mafia
Better don't posit. It depends on the type of ridiculousness I think.
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On June 10 2015 00:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Someone (you marv?) said he had a hard time posting as scum and a quote like that with a response like that (second quote) makes me think (if what you are saying is correct) he's posting just to post.
That's the impression I get from reviewing those last two things of his filter.
He says Vayne is scummy and I'm having a tough time seeing why, you are having a tough time seeing why and then he says "I never said....etc....it's pretty much all I can say."
The quotes alone don't make him mafia but based on what you (or whoever said it) know about him, that he has trouble posting or in this case explaining his position on Vayne.
Exactly.
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On June 10 2015 00:24 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 10 2015 00:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Someone (you marv?) said he had a hard time posting as scum and a quote like that with a response like that (second quote) makes me think (if what you are saying is correct) he's posting just to post.
That's the impression I get from reviewing those last two things of his filter.
He says Vayne is scummy and I'm having a tough time seeing why, you are having a tough time seeing why and then he says "I never said....etc....it's pretty much all I can say."
The quotes alone don't make him mafia but based on what you (or whoever said it) know about him, that he has trouble posting or in this case explaining his position on Vayne. Exactly. Right now, I'm still thinking BF is town. Though I'm gonna read his previous game to see if I get the same feeling from him there as I do here. And I have little idea about Vayne. The only thing I directly remember about him is his reaction to yamato flipping (which was either just an honest town reaction or scum wifom) and the fact that he reposted his post about me from our last game together (which would seem to indicate he's a survivor XD). So... my current VA read is a whole lot of *shrugs*
Do you have any reads that do not consists only of shrugs?
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On June 10 2015 00:32 boxerfred wrote:I've halfway given up on this game already.
Why? We lynched scum day1. If we chez is also scum it could not go any better. Your only job this game is to avoid getting mislynched if you are town and even if you are mislynched scum needs 3 (!) more of those unless there is more KP in this game.
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On June 10 2015 00:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 00:33 Half the Sky wrote:
I generally think VA is town if he does post 1-2 useful things. I don't think he did that in Aperture 4 but when I tried to hold him accountable for "tryhardiness" in that game he told me don't consider his gameplay in the whole context of things...and then he was mafia. Figures. My play in Aperture was terrible but I digress.
God-awful metric to read VA
Yes. And I would not read too much into VAs comments on yamatos play. It is probably genuine regardless of his alignment. Note: He isn't saying yamato sucked, he is saying that he hates the bm yamato was sporting.
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On June 10 2015 00:38 marvellosity wrote:it's fine. it's taken me like 2 years to get to the point where i start to think i have some sort of handle on VA. And even then i'm not sure
Yeah, it is hard. My read on him doesn't really go any further than "as town he does not give a fuck" "as scum he gives a few fucks and you can sometimes see an agenda". This game the former seems to be far more true.
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On June 10 2015 00:52 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 00:26 justanothertownie wrote:On June 10 2015 00:24 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 10 2015 00:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Someone (you marv?) said he had a hard time posting as scum and a quote like that with a response like that (second quote) makes me think (if what you are saying is correct) he's posting just to post.
That's the impression I get from reviewing those last two things of his filter.
He says Vayne is scummy and I'm having a tough time seeing why, you are having a tough time seeing why and then he says "I never said....etc....it's pretty much all I can say."
The quotes alone don't make him mafia but based on what you (or whoever said it) know about him, that he has trouble posting or in this case explaining his position on Vayne. Exactly. Right now, I'm still thinking BF is town. Though I'm gonna read his previous game to see if I get the same feeling from him there as I do here. And I have little idea about Vayne. The only thing I directly remember about him is his reaction to yamato flipping (which was either just an honest town reaction or scum wifom) and the fact that he reposted his post about me from our last game together (which would seem to indicate he's a survivor XD). So... my current VA read is a whole lot of *shrugs* Do you have any reads that do not consists only of shrugs? Mmmmmm mostly town reads. I'll put in the effort of deciding who, among people I don't know how to read, is scum, when the lynch isn't already decided. On that note: ##Vote ChezinuI want to see what his death promises us.
Well, let's just say the next "decided lynch" might be you so it would probably a good idea to do so very soon.
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On June 10 2015 01:00 fuba wrote:This cuz you think I rolled scum, and you know I hate rolling scum?
Everyone but a few selected weird people hates rolling scum.
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On June 10 2015 01:04 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 10 2015 01:00 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 00:59 marvellosity wrote:
poor fuba This cuz you think I rolled scum, and you know I hate rolling scum? Everyone but a few selected weird people hates rolling scum. Excuse me, I'm having a private conversation with marvipoo.
I am so sorry.
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On June 10 2015 01:10 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 01:07 marvellosity wrote:
i hope you don't make a fool out of me for quasi-defending you Don't worry, you're right if you think I'm town. I wanted to try out in-thread banter. Not sure how I feel about it.
Implying there is banter between the 2 of you elsewhere? :p
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On June 10 2015 01:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 01:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 10 2015 01:10 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 01:07 marvellosity wrote:
i hope you don't make a fool out of me for quasi-defending you Don't worry, you're right if you think I'm town. I wanted to try out in-thread banter. Not sure how I feel about it. Implying there is banter between the 2 of you elsewhere? :p i introduced him to mafia via the gay thread & irc
I was thinking about the mafia qt.
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On June 10 2015 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
i'm dumbtelling
(apparently)
I don't think that qualifies as a dumbtell ^^
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On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing. And why are you suggesting he checked marv? That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red. grats. fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this" *a tiny amount of time passes* fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always" No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for.
lol, what?
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On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop.
That is in no world a cop claim.
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On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity. Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote FecalFeast
Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!! Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller. How does his D2 not look like he's blue?
How does it look like he is blue?
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On June 10 2015 03:44 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity. Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote FecalFeast
Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!! Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller. How does his D2 not look like he's blue? When a person is up for lynch do you not think they would change their playstyle completely to facilitate the need to escape later? His d1 actions scream the opposite of his day 2 actions, it's as simple as that. Mafia have no roleblocker and no vigilante so a cop and jailkeeper would be broken.
So you were roleblocked night1?
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You mean it is pretty dumb.
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To make this very clear: If chez was a cop he would fucking hardclaim it by now. Saltys point is also good.
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On June 10 2015 05:22 prplhz wrote:
there's at least one scum on chez.
Oh no! Better immediately abort wagon!
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On June 10 2015 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
zzzzz
A good summary of your play today.
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On June 10 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 05:23 prplhz wrote:
@Half the Sky Were you following the game before you replaced in? No I wasn't. But now I know what marv meant by this game being slow lol.
Are you caught up now?
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We will keep lynching chez.
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Nowhere did he claim cop.
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On June 10 2015 07:56 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:55 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2015 07:55 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 10 2015 07:54 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 07:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
##unvote
##vote marvellosity
I personally don't care for 'reasons' I'm a shenanigan man through and through. That worked wonderfully in Carol, didn't it? I've not done a real analysis but I am pretty sure my shenanigans hit more than they miss so tell me, why am i mafia? Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 07:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
##unvote
##vote marvellosity
I personally don't care for 'reasons' I'm a shenanigan man through and through.
Shenanigans are no reasons. Shenanigans should only happen when reasons exist.
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On June 10 2015 08:00 NaCl`y wrote:
It's particularly annoying that we have around 1 vote count every 12 hours.
Indeed.
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Whatever. It would have happened sooner or later.
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Come on are people really surprised by that? He did not claim anything.
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Yeah, getting rid of FF might not be the worst idea ever. Boxer still up there though.
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Or the fact that you are doing being a useless sack of lurk on top of all that?
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On June 10 2015 08:11 NaCl`y wrote:
No. Tomorrow we absolutely are lynching Fuba. You should not contest this lynch.
Why the sudden confidence?
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On June 10 2015 08:14 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 08:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 10 2015 08:11 NaCl`y wrote:
No. Tomorrow we absolutely are lynching Fuba. You should not contest this lynch. Why the sudden confidence? JAT, look at pages 67-68. Confidence isn't sudden.
Yeah, I just saw. Well, if I go with my personal opinion I could lynch Fuba in a heartbeat. I am just giving marv a little credit and he is calling him town :/
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On June 10 2015 08:17 NaCl`y wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485712-carnaval-do-brasil-mafia?user=fubaLook at this filter from fuba where he was town. It has a wide variety of spread out reads, even if there was a certain amount of afking. He is definitely unsure of himself in Carnaval. However, this game he uses absolutes and has opinions that don't make sense and comes to odd conclusions that are based on reasoning that he shouldn't be using.
The point about the absolutes is definitely true.
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On June 10 2015 22:15 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 15:46 Half the Sky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +3 The Chez claim issue bothered me as well, I know there's more quotes but we'll start off with this On June 10 2015 02:52 fuba wrote:
I find it strange that marv says he sees no sense in what chez is saying, when I think it seems pretty clear. On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:00 prplhz wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. why be vague about being cop in his situation also, cops generally aren't informed about whether or not there are millers in the game I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then.
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck? Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing. And why are you suggesting he checked marv? That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red. grats. fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this" *a tiny amount of time passes* fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always" No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. It wasn't clear at all to me and the fact I had to read his filter several times...AND double check the theory by checking other games as a DT. I don't know how he was absolutely seemed to be sure but one flaw in my argument is whether he's had more exp with Chez doing this sort of stuff but as a DT I wasn't seeing it. So I don't know where it came from. Talking in absolutes I agree is a scum behaviour though. The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances. On June 10 2015 03:09 fuba wrote:
Eh, maybe I'm just wrong. On June 10 2015 03:20 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Still the previous point stands. A hardclaim and a check would give us direction. Nearly every true blue claim comes with a check or a list of prot actions, etc.
I mean you were JK in Carnaval and when you were forced to claim, you claimed and then you explained why you JKed ritoky. It should be the same approach here. Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu... I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that. On June 10 2015 03:45 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity. Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote FecalFeast
Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!! Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller. How does his D2 not look like he's blue? Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time. By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast. yeah this is what i was talking about wanting to look at last night, so thank you for going ahead and doing that work for me. It is really odd. In particular things like this, fuba has said (I think in this game even?) one of the things he does is look at all the possibilities from all different angles (i'm sure he would confirm this) and yet in this particular murky instance he comes across as totally sure what's going on
So can you tell me now why on earth you were townreading him earlier? The only reason I did not consider him was that you said you think he is town because to me his play has been insanely scummy all game.
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On June 10 2015 22:29 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 22:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 10 2015 22:15 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2015 15:46 Half the Sky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +3 The Chez claim issue bothered me as well, I know there's more quotes but we'll start off with this On June 10 2015 02:52 fuba wrote:
I find it strange that marv says he sees no sense in what chez is saying, when I think it seems pretty clear. On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:00 prplhz wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. why be vague about being cop in his situation also, cops generally aren't informed about whether or not there are millers in the game I don't know. But the same question could be asked about him if he is scum. I know chez likes posting in riddles rather than just saying what he's thinking, so maybe that's an answer for both questions. Gonna check for chez's previous blue games, see if he'd just outright claim then.
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. On June 10 2015 03:48 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:43 Half the Sky wrote:
And fuba, you are suggesting that's implying a redcheck? Yes. If I was in chez's place (assuming for the moment that chez is town), I'd assume that that message would be read as a red check on marv, in the event of my eventual flip as cop. On June 10 2015 04:53 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 04:51 marvellosity wrote:On June 10 2015 03:19 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:14 Half the Sky wrote:On June 10 2015 03:08 fuba wrote:
And I know cops aren't informed whether there's millers or not. But it's reasonable for a town cop!chez to remind us that there's the possibility of millers being in the game, if he expects his death to confirm him as a cop, and confirming that he checked marv, and it came back red. Or....he could just hardclaim now (especially his forced to go afk) and out with any given check (assuming he's alignment and not parity) be it marv or whoever else so that it's clear that is what he was doing. And why are you suggesting he checked marv? That's absolutely true, but he could also just be being chezinu. Which is why I'm trying to find a list of his blue games XD In any case, almost everything he says points to him claiming to have checked marv, and having that check come back red. grats. fuba: "it's weird that marv isn't sure what chez's post means, it means this" *a tiny amount of time passes* fuba: "oh yeah, it could mean all these other things too, guess marv is sexy as fuck and correct as always" No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. It wasn't clear at all to me and the fact I had to read his filter several times...AND double check the theory by checking other games as a DT. I don't know how he was absolutely seemed to be sure but one flaw in my argument is whether he's had more exp with Chez doing this sort of stuff but as a DT I wasn't seeing it. So I don't know where it came from. Talking in absolutes I agree is a scum behaviour though. The other potential issue is how he kept second guessing himself. Given those two quotes I brought up re: Fecalfeast, it appeared that self-consciousness bled over here when Salty, prplhz, myself, etc were questioning the DT claim and could also be interpreted as him being worried how he looked to us. There were several instances. On June 10 2015 03:09 fuba wrote:
Eh, maybe I'm just wrong. On June 10 2015 03:20 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Still the previous point stands. A hardclaim and a check would give us direction. Nearly every true blue claim comes with a check or a list of prot actions, etc.
I mean you were JK in Carnaval and when you were forced to claim, you claimed and then you explained why you JKed ritoky. It should be the same approach here. Gonna say I agree, but gonna say again, it's Chezinu... I mean, in his own way (presuming I know enough about his way to even say such a thing), he seems to have done just that. On June 10 2015 03:45 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 03:42 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:29 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 03:13 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 03:09 NaCl`y wrote:
He could quite easily also be a mafia role cop and checked marvellosity. Oh yeah... I forget about mafia roles besides roleblocker and godfather. Though does his play make sense as a rolecop? Guess it doesn't really matter. Though why you suggest that as an option confuses me. Does it explain why chez is behaving like a town cop? On June 10 2015 03:03 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:58 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 02:55 NaCl`y wrote:On June 10 2015 02:54 fuba wrote:
Like, even if chez is scum, which I'm questioning, marv should at least understand what chez is getting at, considering it's almost entirely been about him. Why are you questioning this? He clearly seems to be claiming cop. So, what you are saying is that Chezinu is claiming cop but on day 1 when I counter claimed Artanis[Xp], Chezinu was quite happy to vote for fecalfeast and quite blatantly ignored the entire thing to begin with. So in his world there were 2 doctors and 1 cop? I don't believe that and that is why I deduced that his claim must be a mafia one. On June 06 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote:
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Artanis[Xp] save yourself vote fecalfeast!!! Like I said before. His play does not look like he is a blue role at all. If he is claiming that there might be millers in this game then he could have quite possibly role checked marvellosity and to anyone that did not remember the rest of the game it would look like he's actually a cop if we actually lynched marvellosity or he flipped miller. How does his D2 not look like he's blue? Actually, at that point, he did have plenty of votes on him already. Guess he could have just been acting the entire time. By themselves, it's not a problem, but when taken in context with the whole being self-conscious about appearance, it becomes a problem. It adds a layer of scumminess to how he's viewing things based on what he said to Fecalfeast. yeah this is what i was talking about wanting to look at last night, so thank you for going ahead and doing that work for me. It is really odd. No, it's absolutely clear what chez was going for. In particular things like this, fuba has said (I think in this game even?) one of the things he does is look at all the possibilities from all different angles (i'm sure he would confirm this) and yet in this particular murky instance he comes across as totally sure what's going on So can you tell me now why on earth you were townreading him earlier? The only reason I did not consider him was that you said you think he is town because to me his play has been insanely scummy all game. I thought I could understand what he was thinking. Then I also thought he wouldn't try to have that friendly engagement he had with me at the point he did. And post quite a few posts in a row that didn't look overthought. i might well still be townreading him if salty hadn't brought what was an excellent point about absolutes (the one you liked)
Yes, because I thought those absolutes were weird earlier already. I have no idea why anyone thought Chez claimed any sort of role. And that particular post is really really out of place. Especially for a rather timid person that usually waffles aroudn all the time.
I just made a habit out of trusting your townreads because they are usually better than your scumreads.
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On June 10 2015 22:54 marvellosity wrote:
if i'm going "i think that person may be town" but I never put them in some sort of list, you should know it can change xD
Of course. But I still don't get how you could have a townread on him in the first place and then change it so quickly because of something you should have noticed without salty having to point it out :/
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On June 10 2015 23:13 marvellosity wrote:
god I am so sad about Chez's play. He used to have more about him.
Yes. It is good that we got rid of him early because with this play there is no way to tell what he is and he isn't contributing any reads either. Just all around awful.
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On June 10 2015 23:18 marvellosity wrote:he kinda gave HF the win in Onegu's game too. The thing about Chez was that he was actually right/astute a lot, but you either couldn't understand or people would ignore him. we're in a great spot anyway though Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 02:18 marvellosity wrote:
I think these people are town:
1.marvellosity
2.justanothertownie
3. NaCl`y
4.prplhz
7. Alakaslam
13. Artanis[Xp]
if I'm right about these, then just lynching everyone else indiscriminately would do the trick.
That list still holds strong as far as I am concerned.
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On June 11 2015 01:40 boxerfred wrote:
Why exactly is marv town, jat?
You will probably not like the reason. Ok, first of all he is putting in quite a bit of effort even though we lynched mafia day1 and it is his second consecutive scumgame. He could do that as scum but it is something.
But more importantly the reason I scumread him early day1 can be explained by what he said about not being joyful as town. Dick move analysis says he would not try to convince me that this is the case with the argument that he wants to retire from playing mafia. I just do not think he would do that. If he did, fine. It will never work again. But I doubt it. And fortunately if we lynch his partner he will probably concede anyways - it will get easier to lynch him the longer he lives. So I do not concern myself too much with doubting him.
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On June 11 2015 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
well i suck at actual scumhunting, back to gut reads.
mig train choo choo
Fuba and boxer will both have to go before I even consider lynching mig.
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On June 11 2015 02:52 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 01:42 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2015 01:40 boxerfred wrote:
Why exactly is marv town, jat? ask yourself, you went through my filter and came to the town conclusion nah it's not about this. I wanna know why jat thinks it.
Why?
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On June 11 2015 02:54 Half the Sky wrote:
JAT, I see why you don't like BF, but where do you stand on Mig that you'd put him behind the other two?
It's all in my filter. He tried to get a lynch going day1 and made that case on me day2 and I don't think he does this if he is scum and knows I am town and universally townread. I don't have a strong townread on him or anything but it is enough to make him a way worse lynch than fuba or boxer or maybe even FF.
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On June 11 2015 02:59 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 02:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 02:54 Half the Sky wrote:
JAT, I see why you don't like BF, but where do you stand on Mig that you'd put him behind the other two? It's all in my filter. He tried to get a lynch going day1 and made that case on me day2 and I don't think he does this if he is scum and knows I am town and universally townread. I don't have a strong townread on him or anything but it is enough to make him a way worse lynch than fuba or boxer or maybe even FF. Got it. I have zero experience with him, so I wasn't sure if you were seeing something in him that I was not.
I only played one game with him. I remember him being a little townier there but I did not reread his filter from that game.
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On June 11 2015 03:02 Half the Sky wrote:
The D2 case I effectively debunked before he went for Chez, though. Or rather I criticised for him not taking in all the parts of your push on Artanis into account. To me that looked bad alone plus the vote on chez, but I'll re-read D1.
Of course the case wasn't good. But why make a case on the universal townread - what's his plan there?
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On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual
Because you just aren't towny.
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On June 11 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? As the only lurker in this game, oh wait...
So what if there are other lurkers? The argument "but those other guys are as guilty as me" is something that mafia makes all the fucking time. And who are you even talking about?
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On June 11 2015 03:16 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? As the only lurker in this game, oh wait... So what if there are other lurkers? The argument "but those other guys are as guilty as me" is something that mafia makes all the fucking time. And who are you even talking about? fuba mig Va off the top of my head.
I said my part about mig and fuba/VA are known lurkers who do it every single game regardless of alignment. So your argument is invalid.
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On June 11 2015 03:15 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual Because you just aren't towny. You're keeping me on the backburner because you don't think I'm towny? How does that make sense? If I'm not towny push me nerd
Well, what would you propose I should do? I think you aren't towny. But you also aren't as openly scummy as 1-2 other dudes. So you are on the backburner. Get over it nerd.
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On June 11 2015 03:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
What argument? I made a comment about how I'm not the only lurker.
Implying that it means it wouldn't be scummy for you to do it. Which isn't true.
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On June 11 2015 03:20 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:16 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? As the only lurker in this game, oh wait... So what if there are other lurkers? The argument "but those other guys are as guilty as me" is something that mafia makes all the fucking time. And who are you even talking about? fuba mig Va off the top of my head. I said my part about mig and fuba/VA are known lurkers who do it every single game regardless of alignment. So your argument is invalid. Alright JAT, so then (based on my previous question) am I correct here in saying that your primary argument against FF is his lurkiness?
I don't know if it is the primary argument. Primary would be that he just is not towny/I can't remember even a single good thing he said. The only thing I remember is what other people said ABOUT him and his willingness to shenannie for no reason.
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On June 11 2015 03:23 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:22 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:20 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:16 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? As the only lurker in this game, oh wait... So what if there are other lurkers? The argument "but those other guys are as guilty as me" is something that mafia makes all the fucking time. And who are you even talking about? fuba mig Va off the top of my head. I said my part about mig and fuba/VA are known lurkers who do it every single game regardless of alignment. So your argument is invalid. Alright JAT, so then (based on my previous question) am I correct here in saying that your primary argument against FF is his lurkiness? I don't know if it is the primary argument. Primary would be that he just is not towny/I can't remember even a single good thing he said. The only thing I remember is what other people said ABOUT him and his willingness to shenannie for no reason. Wow nvm I don't even want you to town read me you haven't even looked at the filter of someone you call scummy.
Boo hoo.
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On June 11 2015 03:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
wow 16 pages of one-liners. That's impressively annoying to read.
Better than 16 pages of not-one-liners.
Btw. it's nice and all that you are reading a filter/doing anything at all but what exactly is the point? Are you sad that I am scumreading you? If you are town it would be more productive to read the filter of someone that could actually be mafia.
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On June 11 2015 03:34 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:29 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:26 Fecalfeast wrote:
wow 16 pages of one-liners. That's impressively annoying to read. Better than 16 pages of not-one-liners. Btw. it's nice and all that you are reading a filter/doing anything at all but what exactly is the point? Are you sad that I am scumreading you? If you are town it would be more productive to read the filter of someone that could actually be mafia. I am sad that you are scumreading me but acting like you're confirmed town is bullshit, come on.
Ok, I am not confirmed. But do you think you could lynch me today even if I was mafia? No, you couldn't. So either way you are wasting your time.
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Btw. I am not really scumreading you. I am just not at all townreading you and that puts you very far down in my list already.
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On June 11 2015 03:40 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Btw. I am not really scumreading you. I am just not at all townreading you and that puts you very far down in my list already. You just don't know how to townread me is all then. I miss superbia
OR maybe you just don't know how to be towny. I mean the people who are townreading you aren't exactly numerous.
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On June 11 2015 03:52 marvellosity wrote:
this conversation is going nowhere in impressive fashion
That's fine as long as it is impressive.
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That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba.
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I won't even adress most of this bullshit because it is pretty obvious how wrong the whole narrative is but what really sticks out to me is how BF says "it was clear that NaCl was just testing the waters with his cc - even I saw it". Where on earth does this shit come from? Even if this wasn't incredibly wrong in the first place I was his TOP townread before for exactly the reason that I went at Artanis/for the claim analysis thing. It doesn't make ANY sense.
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On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute.
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On June 11 2015 04:26 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba. You're quite a joy to play with. Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons. Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this. Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter. Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane.
Well, the hatter thing was obviously because of the vid he posted where he said if he dies marv will also die. However there was no indication whatsoever that chez could be cop ever.
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On June 11 2015 04:31 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:14 marvellosity wrote:On June 11 2015 04:11 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:10 marvellosity wrote:
how does any of this commentary make him mafia exactly? Shame you don't see it. I mean this in all seriousness, and not as a criticism of you, so please take it in the spirit it's intended (we'll assume you're town for now) when you talk about someone, you need to be clear/concise about how what you're saying is more likely to come from a mafia perspective than a town perspective this isn't the first time you've done this - you just comment on a series of posts and you create your own narrative. Well, I (and also most other players in this game) can easily provide you with an alternative narrative. A better case structure is as follows: 1. jat does this thing (1 or 2 quotes as evidence) 2. here's why it makes sense from a mafia perspective 3. here's why i don't think it's the town perspective 4. conclusion 1. jat does only oneliners, has a huge misread on Artanis which I don't think would come from such an experienced player. 2. jat does a TMI-ish call on NaCl (yamato got hanged for a similar one on artanis) 3. a filter of oneliners is not townish 4. thus he's scummy Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:20 Half the Sky wrote:
BF, two major flaws in your case offhand.
1 The one-liner thing is not a valid argument. First JAT does that as both alignments. Second if you don't trust what I, or anyone else, says there on JAT, case building is not the only way to go about doing things, most people on this forum generally prefer conversational approach to scumhunting, some people find it easier to detect scumtells in conversation. There are some people like Damdred, Trfel, Tictock, myself, ritoky to a lesser extent that do go the case route, but to be a truly masterful mafia player on this site, you should know how to work both conversationally and via case route.
2 A number of those points about the Artanis claim are similar to what Mig tried to do when scumreading JAT and I shot just about everything down. There are honest reasons to doubt a claim and I can tell you haven't looked into those. ad 1: this is not a meta read but a "he's not very townie in the majority of his posts". note that "not very townie != scummy" ad 2: okay I can get that, but what about my TMI argument on NaCl's claim? The bolded part?
1. Onliners are no scumtell. Where did I misread Artanis? He was cced and the only people who knew he was town are mafia.
2. Nope nope nope. It just makes 0 sense to cc as mafia and I said as much. If you use your brain on this one it is clearly visible that NaCls claim comes from town in 99/100 cases.
3. It is not mafiaish either.
4. bullshit
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On June 11 2015 04:32 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute. Yeah feels like I did what I said I'd do: post not so often but put more effort in my posts and think things out. Keep on not answering. You're my top vote by now.
I don't care in the slightest. I am never getting lynched this game. You on the other hand just volunteered to be hanged day3.
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On June 11 2015 04:35 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:26 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba. You're quite a joy to play with. Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons. Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this. Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter. Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane. We went through this already. We expected a hardclaim based on him saying he had to afk even though it was 5h approx prior to EoD. Question after question we threw at him because no one could tell, I looked up his history to compare and test the "riddle" theory you brought up. Both FF and I read filters God knows how many times. And Mig I think said quite the opposite rightly or wrongly and voted him saying he wouldn't forget a game he was dt, he's screwing around or whatever, so that statement doesn't hold unless I misunderstood it.
That's not even the point. He never ever claimed cop or even something close to it.
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On June 11 2015 04:40 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:26 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba. You're quite a joy to play with. Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons. Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this. Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter. Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane. Well, the hatter thing was obviously because of the vid he posted where he said if he dies marv will also die. However there was no indication whatsoever that chez could be cop ever. And my thought was that he simply went a step farther. Once chez dies as cop, we will see that he was cop, and lend more proof to his read on marv. Obviously I was incorrect, but the fact that no one else even saw it as a possibility really confuses me.
In any case, I still don't see how it makes me scum. Like, I'm having trouble seeing my play this game from a scum perspective. Am I more likely to think chez is cop if I'm scum? Am I more likely to even lightly defend BF as scum (though that is a read I'll have to reexamine going into D3)? And given that everyone considers my reasons for reads to be shitty, why wouldn't I just make a shitty fake scumread on someone? Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, I didn't just take artanis's claim at face value. I thought about it for quite a while. So the only "absolute" thing I've said was about chez. And I still have trouble seeing why he would say/do those things as a VT.
Yes, yes you are more likely to believe people who you know are town are a role and it is also more likely that you defend them.
Explain to me why chez as cop would let himself be lynched when he has a redcheck on marv instead of saying that he has a goddamn redcheck and pushing for a marv lynch.
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On June 11 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:32 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute. Yeah feels like I did what I said I'd do: post not so often but put more effort in my posts and think things out. Keep on not answering. You're my top vote by now. I don't care in the slightest. I am never getting lynched this game. You on the other hand just volunteered to be hanged day3. Cool so people can lynch you when I flip VT
I am sorry to disappoint you but that is not how this works 
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On June 11 2015 05:02 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:43 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:40 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:26 fuba wrote:On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba. You're quite a joy to play with. Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons. Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this. Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter. Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane. Well, the hatter thing was obviously because of the vid he posted where he said if he dies marv will also die. However there was no indication whatsoever that chez could be cop ever. And my thought was that he simply went a step farther. Once chez dies as cop, we will see that he was cop, and lend more proof to his read on marv. Obviously I was incorrect, but the fact that no one else even saw it as a possibility really confuses me.
In any case, I still don't see how it makes me scum. Like, I'm having trouble seeing my play this game from a scum perspective. Am I more likely to think chez is cop if I'm scum? Am I more likely to even lightly defend BF as scum (though that is a read I'll have to reexamine going into D3)? And given that everyone considers my reasons for reads to be shitty, why wouldn't I just make a shitty fake scumread on someone? Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, I didn't just take artanis's claim at face value. I thought about it for quite a while. So the only "absolute" thing I've said was about chez. And I still have trouble seeing why he would say/do those things as a VT. Yes, yes you are more likely to believe people who you know are town are a role and it is also more likely that you defend them. Explain to me why chez as cop would let himself be lynched when he has a redcheck on marv instead of saying that he has a goddamn redcheck and pushing for a marv lynch. My thought was that trading a blue for a red would be a good thing. Why he wouldn't just say it is because he's chez. Why did he make a creepy deathnote video rather than just typing in the thread? Because he's chez. Why does he speak in riddles and keep talking about "themes" (whatever that means)? Because he's chez. I haven't done a thorough analysis of chez's play, but his behavior made sense in the way I've described it based on my rudimentary understanding of him. As for the first part of your response, that doesn't make sense. So I'm more likely to falsely believe someone is a blue role simply because I know they're town? And if I defend every townie because I know they're town, then how do I get any of them lynched? That's bullshit. And you skipped the last bit. If my reads are so flimsy and based on nonsense, then why don't I fake any scumreads? I could just be like, "I think mig is scum, his reads seem so fake", and that would be at least consistent. The answer is: because I'm being honest, and I'm town.
Because you don't "fake" reads as scum. You call them town because you know they are and you have a way easier time believing someone is blue instead of read when you know that he is not mafia. How can you even contest that?
And even if it is chez he still plays to win and if he had a redcheck he would not keep it to himself the whole day and then get lynched without claiming. No way chez would waste the opportunity to troll around with a redcheck during the day either.
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On June 11 2015 05:02 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 04:46 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:32 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute. Yeah feels like I did what I said I'd do: post not so often but put more effort in my posts and think things out. Keep on not answering. You're my top vote by now. I don't care in the slightest. I am never getting lynched this game. You on the other hand just volunteered to be hanged day3. Cool so people can lynch you when I flip VT I am sorry to disappoint you but that is not how this works No you're not
You got me - I am not. But if you get lynched and happen to be incredibly wrong town instead of scum then I will never get lynched for that.
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On June 11 2015 05:09 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 05:07 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 05:02 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:46 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:32 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 04:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?
Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"
This whole part makes no fucking sense with how boxerfred played day1. It does not compute. Yeah feels like I did what I said I'd do: post not so often but put more effort in my posts and think things out. Keep on not answering. You're my top vote by now. I don't care in the slightest. I am never getting lynched this game. You on the other hand just volunteered to be hanged day3. Cool so people can lynch you when I flip VT I am sorry to disappoint you but that is not how this works No you're not You got me - I am not. But if you get lynched and happen to be incredibly wrong town instead of scum then I will never get lynched for that. If you turn out to be scum after the game I'll make you all remember that moment well if not you'll make me remember I guess
If you are town you will remember it yourself. There is no need for me to show you your failure afterwards.
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Mig, this is starting to get concerning. All you are doing is hiding behind a shit-tier case on me since day2. First it wasn't that bad because we were lynching chezinu anyways but this won't fly any longer. All the while you are conveniently ignoring the elephant in the room (boxerfred).
Your case on me boils down to things that are not about me. About how yamato acted towards me - I have no control about this and it is entirely possible that he goes soft on me because he knows that I tend to lynch him if he is scum (and that he cannot get me lynched anyways). I pushed him day1 in his last scumgame and only got off at the last second to lynch a teammate of his.
Not understanding why everyone is townreading me is no reason to scumread me. I have trouble believing you really went through my filter several times as town and found nothing that makes you think I am town. Either you are bsing or you are playing pretty terrible. People who are universally townread usually happen to be town just for that. And every good player in this game who played with me a lot townreads me. You brought Artanis post up. That was very early day1 and he clearly changed his mind later. Marv also read me as town which he never does if I am mafia.
Another point is vet balance. Even if we ignore that this is an absolute shit tier reason itself - bugs did not play or host or coach games since ages ago. He wouldn't even know how to balance his game. For him I am a new player. If we go with stupid arguments like this it would be much more likely that YOU are the scum vet.
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On June 11 2015 14:56 boxerfred wrote:
##vote JAT
I'm not even gonna defend myself, I played so bad.
Sure.
##Vote: boxerfred
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It is very possible that marv died because mig was in his poe scumlist and I called mig town earlier. If you want to push against me it is also very helpful to get rid of marv because with him in the game that will never work.
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Not that it will without him but if scum is dumb they might think it could.
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Another reason to kill marv is of course that I gave an ironclad reason for him to be town. Interestingly boxerfred asked me during the night why marv is town and when scum realizes that marv is unlynchable they shoot him. It is also a better shot than NaCl for example if boxer is scum and fuba is town because they might have thought NaCl would continue the fuba train today.
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If we lynch through this list:
Boxerfred, (Fuba), Mig
the game might be won already.
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On June 11 2015 18:34 Mig wrote:
Look JAT, if you are town then I am way off base and I am sorry. But you yourself told me you were good. I went and read aperture and even though you are saying that I shouldn't use that game to judge you by, I thought you played quite well in it. You seemed to work really hard there. I havent seen you work here at all. I have seen you be incredibly arrogant and just constantly announce how you are unlynchable while doing literally 0 scum hunting.
So if you are town maybe try and actually look at things from my perspective instead of getting all indignant and emotional.
If I am right and you are mafia feel free to continue to act this way.
If you tell me you read my filter several times and still say I did no scumhunting I will not continue this discussion with you. That is ridiculous. Especially since it is coming from you who has not done anything but a shit ass case on me since day1. Where is your scumhunting? All you do is push the most obvious towny in the game.
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On June 11 2015 18:22 Mig wrote:
If I am mafia and you were town why am I pushing you at all lol. Apparently I just pick the toughest targets possible. If I can't get you lynched my back up plan is NAcl!
Do you actually have any reason at all to think I am mafia or are you just talking complete shit because I am making a case against you?
Your case on me is more than enough to scumread you. Especially since it is your only contribution to this game since day1 and I know that you do not suck this hard as town.
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The argument that you are pushing a hard target is not valid anymore. You saw how well it worked when I called you town for it earlier. It is also a really oldschool thing to do to just shit on obvious townies as scum to create doubt. Let's assume boxerfred and you are scum or something similar. What else can you do but try to discredit the alive townleaders? If you do not manage to make town completely doubt each other you will just get lynched 1 by 1.
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On June 11 2015 18:43 Mig wrote:
It sounds to me like you aren't actually trying to consider whether I am town at all.
You are not giving me any reason to consider that.
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You are not "considering the possibility". You are voting me. Despite talking to me as if you know I am town.
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And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely.
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On June 11 2015 19:25 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 09:46 NaCl`y wrote:Rest in peace, dear marvellosity! ##vote boxerfredI know I made a lot of posts on Fuba being mafia and honestly he probably still is mafia! There is now someone else that I have a greater passion for lynching. Boxerfred. This is because of quite a few reasons and all of them are backed up simply by reading the game so I'll make this short and quoteless due to a lack of time.
Day 1: Boxerfred's play can be summarised on day 1 as simply going from clueless and spreading feelers in directions (such as on yamato briefly etc) to full on try hard and associative based on Yamato77 flipping mafia before he actually has (most damning). He also says Justanothertownie is his top town read going into night 1 for his reaction to the Artanis[Xp] situation etc. I feel like this was a disingenuous flip of "ability" to read people that simply didn't fit with his earlier playstyle. It conveniently kicked in when it was decided Yamato77 was the lynch anyway.
Day 2: Boxerfred meekly pushes VayneAuthority and is quite happy to use any excuse whatsoever to just disappear from it when provided with little evidence: On June 09 2015 19:33 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:31 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:29 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 09 2015 19:27 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:23 marvellosity wrote:On June 09 2015 19:22 boxerfred wrote:On June 09 2015 19:21 marvellosity wrote:
the *point* is that you made the point about Chez *because* I questioned you on Vayne, so you turned it around to people talking or backing off Chez
one caused the other No. I did not make a point. I simply wrote about a fucking filter observation not coming to any conclusion or point. I came to that conclusion when you asked your questions 2 minutes ago. stop reading stuff into my posts that is not there. You made the fucking point to deflect off me questioning you on Vayne I don't see any reason to unvote someone who is not replying to pressure. Like, you all went on the Chez train because "oh he's not here" and now that he's here you start saying "nah he doesn't look so scummy anyways". I might do the same depending on his replies but as long as there are no replies, well why should I change my stance? "why would I unvote Vayne? Here! Look at what you guys are doing with Chez!" that was precisely your defence here. What the fuck. So I explained thoroughly why I am voting Vayne. Of course I am showing what you guys are doing on Chez since I feel like noone even cares to look at my points on Vayne. Did you even check my points on Vayne by now? No? Cool shit. I distinctly remember telling you that VA doing jackshit does not make him scum and that he tends to not give a fuck as town. I distinctly remember that I played one game of Mafia thus far here and can't tell if you're right. + Show Spoiler [VayneAuthority] +5 minutes of your time to confirm/deny jat Wow, such small filters. ##unvote Yes, it's a quote. I lied earlier. He then jumps on Chezinu because it was what everyone else was doing. Suddenly, Boxerfred makes a big case on Justanothertownie being mafia which contained all of the posts that Boxerfred said made Justanothertownie his top town on day 1. Note earlier when he dropped his VayneAuthority read based on people giving evidence to the opposite? Now this is not the case for Justanothertownie. Unfortunately I can't finish this due to time, will continue later. Look that's a solid town post, JAT, not the bullshit you're producing on the daily basis. I'd follow this case any day. It's a shame I played so dumb because I don't see me surviving this day anyway. However, JAT, look at such posts. They are towny. Your posts simply aren't, they are uncommiting rubbish. All the way down your filter. You're actively spitting out bullshit post after bullshit post.
It is funny that you are trying to educate your SCUMREAD how to play TOWN better.
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On June 11 2015 19:26 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely. wait wait wait I thought we lynch me eh? You said "WE ARE GOING TO LYNCH YOU DAY THREE" and now you want to hear reasons on why not to vote me? Haha sure bro start committing to something already -.- you're boring.
Are you dense? I want to know why mig does not want to lynch you. That in no way means that I do not want to lynch you. my vote on you should indicate as much.
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On June 11 2015 19:26 Mig wrote:
I have spent a lot of time thinking about all the possibilities. Maybe I am wrong and the scum team is some combo of vayne/boxer/ff/prphlz. I have reasons to at least lean town on ff/prplhz tho, more than just taking marv's word that you are town. You are who I am most confident is scum but guess what I don't know for sure which is why I still at least entertain the possibility that you are town.
lol, where is boxerfred in all of this?
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On June 11 2015 19:29 Mig wrote:
Anyway I am going to bed. I didn't say you have to be nice btw. Just that you really do act like a dick, and I wonder sometimes if the people who get as angry as you seem to actually enjoy playing mafia.
And if you are town btw then you are just as dumb as I am since you are wrong about me being scum so shrug. Maybe we are both idiots. Going to be fun to find out!
I am not voting for you though. I am also not ignoring the main wagon like you do.
And you have nothing on anyone else and think it is a good idea to ignore marvs read on me? Since my very first scumgame on this site marv has NEVER been wrong on me. He always called me town when I was town and scum or at the very least null when I was scum. With 100 % accuracy in a shitload of games.
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On June 11 2015 19:31 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 19:26 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely. wait wait wait I thought we lynch me eh? You said "WE ARE GOING TO LYNCH YOU DAY THREE" and now you want to hear reasons on why not to vote me? Haha sure bro start committing to something already -.- you're boring. Are you dense? I want to know why mig does not want to lynch you. That in no way means that I do not want to lynch you. my vote on you should indicate as much. Haha so fucking what? I wanted to know a lot from you, you don't care, you don't commit. I want you lynched. Badly. Get over it and keep on insulting, at this point I'm just laughing on the frustration you're trying to cause.
That's fine keep laughing until you die as far as I am concerned.
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On June 11 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely. So WHAT EXACTLY MAKES YOU CONFIRMED TOWN BRO I asked that before and ask it again. Can't see it and as long as you don't care to explain, I don't see why you should go through with "YOU'RE SCUM OR DUMB TOWN" train you're pulling on everyone.
I never said I was CONFIRMED town. I said I am the most obvious town in the game and gave multiple reasons for it. The fact that you are conveniently ignoring all of the to start this ridiculous shitshow speaks for itself. I am done with this conversation - I do not need to convince you that you are scum.
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On June 11 2015 19:36 Mig wrote:
I also wonder if a newbie mafia would fight with you and marv so much. Also, flipping from you being his #1 town read to scum read is either really horrible mafia play or something that a townie would do. Usually competent mafia are more careful with keeping their story straight and having a narrative that people cant shit on. Townies sometimes just flip flop randomly because they have real opinions that change.
I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you.
That can only be true if you are seeing a reasonable town line of thought in his play. Since you admitted yourself that his case on me was horrible that is obviously not the case. And it is not like he had a choice about if he would fight with me and marv since we were the ones attacking him first.
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On June 11 2015 19:38 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:36 Mig wrote:
I also wonder if a newbie mafia would fight with you and marv so much. Also, flipping from you being his #1 town read to scum read is either really horrible mafia play or something that a townie would do. Usually competent mafia are more careful with keeping their story straight and having a narrative that people cant shit on. Townies sometimes just flip flop randomly because they have real opinions that change.
I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you. Hoho and guess who has that? JAT! He has not commited to any unsafe plays, his only slip was a bigger post on Artanis. Tell me, WHO has JAT been going for? Where is the case he created on someone? Where did he actually follow through on someone besides, well, me? And even when going at me, he wishy-washed a lot of "Dunno if newb madness or scum play" and stuff like this. He's not committing to anything he could possibly be nailed upon later. He's scum.
Yes, I am commiting to something. And it is lynching you today.
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At this point we are just lynching boxer and mig back to back and probably win. And if one of them happens to be just terrible town I won't even feel bad about it.
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On June 11 2015 19:36 Mig wrote:
I also wonder if a newbie mafia would fight with you and marv so much. Also, flipping from you being his #1 town read to scum read is either really horrible mafia play or something that a townie would do. Usually competent mafia are more careful with keeping their story straight and having a narrative that people cant shit on. Townies sometimes just flip flop randomly because they have real opinions that change.
I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you.
It is interesting btw. that mig doesn't dare to call boxer town but when he named his paranoia worlds where I am not scum earlier boxer was not in there. Also he uses "boxer might be new" to justify not voting him but "experienced scum players are more careful" for something else. So what is it? Is he new and terrible or not? What he is doing is terrible regardless of alignment and mig admitted as much but he still says boxerfred is less likely mafia than me because he is being terrible. None of this makes any sense.
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Mig is also in no way trying to figure out this game. I just looked at his PYP LOL filter again which is the only game I ever played with him and where he was town. The difference is striking. He is asking good question and evaluating multiple players all the time - he never tunnels on one read. He is clearly trying to solve the game.
In this game however there are far less questions and those who are there are useless/bad. He also has not commented on anything besides me since day1. He is not trying to figure anything out. He is pushing his awful case on me and is happy with it despite it being obvious that he will not get me lynched. He isn't looking at anyone else or saying anything interesting whatsoever.
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So who do you want to lynch HTS? BF or fuba?
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And if you read what happened today so far - what do you think of Mig?
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Which is a pretty damning point against him because that's not the thought process of a townie.
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You will have a hard time finding a "why". He townreads me for the Artanis post and because there is "Nothing scummy about me". Later he scumreads me for the same fucking post and for using oneliners like I have all game. And because an "experienced player like me" did not immediately read NaCl cc as a reaction test because "even he knew that" which is fucking ridiculous.
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I think scum just realized that they just lose outright if they let me lead this town uncontested.
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Marv and I identified each other as town and they couldn't kill both of us so they have to do something now. If BF and Fuba aren't both mafia they could get the other one mislynched today but day4 they are done for and then it is too late to start fighting.
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On June 11 2015 21:42 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright, so I looked at Mig's post, namely the Yamato interaction post. Here's my take.
Second half I really don't like. You have a different style of play - conversational play. You said you only played one game with him, IIRC.
But I've also played with you enough to know that to some extent, he has to evaluate you differently. Aperture was very different because to some extent it was a PM game, so any digging was not done by filter hunting it was via PM. That's a big thing I think he's missing when making that meta comparison.
I don't really know how missing that would lead to the conclusion he got though. Aperture is just a bad comparison for multiple reasons. One of them indeed being that it was a fucking greymist game.
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Sure. The fact that his case is bad isn't in question here. The question is do you think he is town playing very sloppily or mafia?
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On June 11 2015 21:51 prplhz wrote:
i don't think those are the only two options. people see things differently. if mig is town he's certainly putting in some real effort and not being sloppy. townies often have wrong reads, get over it.
hmm what would marv do
That's exactly the point - he is NOT putting in some real effort. He made a lazy/bad case on me and is doing NOTHING else. He is not interacting with other players, he is not questioning anyone and he is also not giving reads on anyone else besides me except for one post about fuba.
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What would marv do?
Marv had a list to lynch through to win the game. It contains both BF and Mig.
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On June 11 2015 22:07 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:40 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 19:38 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 19:36 Mig wrote:
I also wonder if a newbie mafia would fight with you and marv so much. Also, flipping from you being his #1 town read to scum read is either really horrible mafia play or something that a townie would do. Usually competent mafia are more careful with keeping their story straight and having a narrative that people cant shit on. Townies sometimes just flip flop randomly because they have real opinions that change.
I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you. Hoho and guess who has that? JAT! He has not commited to any unsafe plays, his only slip was a bigger post on Artanis. Tell me, WHO has JAT been going for? Where is the case he created on someone? Where did he actually follow through on someone besides, well, me? And even when going at me, he wishy-washed a lot of "Dunno if newb madness or scum play" and stuff like this. He's not committing to anything he could possibly be nailed upon later. He's scum. Yes, I am commiting to something. And it is lynching you today. Are you so convinced I'm scum? Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:46 justanothertownie wrote:
At this point we are just lynching boxer and mig back to back and probably win. And if one of them happens to be just terrible town I won't even feel bad about it. Yes let's lynch the two people that are pressuring you.
Yes.
Yes.
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On June 11 2015 22:09 Half the Sky wrote:Returning to BF now - D1 read on you to D2. If the below is true that wouldn't be logical for a new player, heck, experienced players miss reaction tests all the time. Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 21:33 justanothertownie wrote:
You will have a hard time finding a "why". He townreads me for the Artanis post and because there is "Nothing scummy about me". Later he scumreads me for the same fucking post and for using oneliners like I have all game. And because an "experienced player like me" did not immediately read NaCl cc as a reaction test because "even he knew that" which is fucking ridiculous.
Yes, and there is the fact that NOONE in this game thought it was a reaction test at all. Despite yamato who was mafia.
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On June 11 2015 22:10 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:09 Half the Sky wrote:Returning to BF now - D1 read on you to D2. If the below is true that wouldn't be logical for a new player, heck, experienced players miss reaction tests all the time. On June 11 2015 21:33 justanothertownie wrote:
You will have a hard time finding a "why". He townreads me for the Artanis post and because there is "Nothing scummy about me". Later he scumreads me for the same fucking post and for using oneliners like I have all game. And because an "experienced player like me" did not immediately read NaCl cc as a reaction test because "even he knew that" which is fucking ridiculous. Yes, and there is the fact that NOONE in this game thought it was a reaction test at all. Despite yamato who was mafia.
And even fucking yamato believed him later.
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On June 11 2015 22:21 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:11 Half the Sky wrote:
BF...there are two scum remaining. Besides JAT, who else do you think is scum and why? I have no idea. I have the impression that there are some thigns on fuba but I need to go back in the thread and find out if they stand. Also if JAT flips green, Mig is likely to be scum and me too of course. I know I won't flip red anytime soon which brings me to Mig. On the other hand I feel like his points are rather genuine. :/ Also Vayne is afk I hate this
I will not flip green because I will not be lynched. As of now YOU will be lynched so if you are town you better find out who you think is scum very soon because your only current scumread is town.
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On June 11 2015 22:22 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:12 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 22:10 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 22:09 Half the Sky wrote:Returning to BF now - D1 read on you to D2. If the below is true that wouldn't be logical for a new player, heck, experienced players miss reaction tests all the time. On June 11 2015 21:33 justanothertownie wrote:
You will have a hard time finding a "why". He townreads me for the Artanis post and because there is "Nothing scummy about me". Later he scumreads me for the same fucking post and for using oneliners like I have all game. And because an "experienced player like me" did not immediately read NaCl cc as a reaction test because "even he knew that" which is fucking ridiculous. Yes, and there is the fact that NOONE in this game thought it was a reaction test at all. Despite yamato who was mafia. And even fucking yamato believed him later. Here's a "go fuck yourself" to you JAT for your continous efforts to piss people off by your tone
yawn
Anything game relevant to say? No? Ok, then just die peacefully please.
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Fair enough but I already told you why that does not make VA mafia. You even had a look at his past games and agreed. And now that's the best you have to offer as a read?
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On June 11 2015 22:43 Half the Sky wrote:You voted JAT right after he did and he queried you on it.
Wait, what? VA never voted me.
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On June 11 2015 22:44 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Fair enough but I already told you why that does not make VA mafia. You even had a look at his past games and agreed. And now that's the best you have to offer as a read? yawn shift more attention to me
What are you even trying to say with this post?
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On June 11 2015 22:45 boxerfred wrote:
Can we hold on for a second and think about why Marv was killed btw? If I was scum, I would've not done this. I would've killed NaCl tbh.
Sure. You would have killed NaCl who was hellbent on lynching fuba during the night. Very believable.
I already said why marv was probably killed. Not that marv isn't always a good kill anyways.
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On June 11 2015 22:46 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 22:44 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Fair enough but I already told you why that does not make VA mafia. You even had a look at his past games and agreed. And now that's the best you have to offer as a read? yawn shift more attention to me What are you even trying to say with this post? That you're bussing on me since day2, and this time I'm using the word correctly. Please stop asking me stuff you're boring Instead try to read on someone that is not named boxerfred.
No, you aren't. A bus is if someone is attacking his scum teammate. Why on earth would you want me to stop asking you stuff if you are town?
I gave plenty of reads besides you.
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On June 11 2015 22:51 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 22:49 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 22:46 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 22:44 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 22:44 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Fair enough but I already told you why that does not make VA mafia. You even had a look at his past games and agreed. And now that's the best you have to offer as a read? yawn shift more attention to me What are you even trying to say with this post? That you're bussing on me since day2, and this time I'm using the word correctly. Please stop asking me stuff you're boring Instead try to read on someone that is not named boxerfred. No, you aren't. A bus is if someone is attacking his scum teammate. Why on earth would you want me to stop asking you stuff if you are town? I gave plenty of reads besides you. Blablablabla you gave plenty of oneliners show me a read you did that was not started by someone before you already or shut up and stop talking to me I think we both know where our votes go today you're toxic, really
YOU are toxic. It is blatantly obvious who of us 2 is trying to evaluate the game/the others play and who is just kicking and screaming without presenting any actual arguments. It literally does not matter at all if someone posts oneliners or not. That's completely irrelevant for the quality of the posts.
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Fine boxerfred. I will shut up and not address you again until you are lynched so you cannot use this ridiculous excuse of "waaaaaah jat is so mean that I can't play the game". Use this opportunity to do something useful if you are just a very childish townie or don't and just get lynched without as scum.
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It is fine. If his biggest argument for calling me scum is that I am posting oneliners that alone is pretty telling on it's own. Just lynch this clown.
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very martyring
such towny
wow
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I will explain this to you calmly and without calling you an idiot, boxerfred.
If you are town then lynching you does not help town in the slightest. The first duty of a townie is to not get mislynched and that is written in the guides for a reason. You argue that town needs to get rid of you because you are an distraction which is not entirely wrong but flawed logic. If you are town and we lynch someone else then that person could be scum. If you are town and just give up then we are wasting a lynch on you and we won't even get any information out of it because scum does not even have to justify voting for a martyr that won't play the game.
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NaCl do you think Migs caseonme is good?
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On June 12 2015 00:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually I for one find the marv kill very puzzling, sure it was obvious he was town but he wasn't really going to his usual great lengths to solve the game, he was just kind of playing a more casual style. Why the hell would some one like boxerfred kill him who doesnt know his rep? there are a lot of reasons for why boxerfred isnt mafia. The only logical explanation after this would be that fuba is mafia but Salty is contributing a lot more to the game and was also pushing fuba so you'd then have to go back to this being a rep kill, meaning the mafia team is comprised of at least 1 if not two people that are scared of marv.
Which leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage
There is absolutely nothing puzzling about that kill. And it for sure does NOT indicate that fuba is mafia. He could very well be but if he was then a NaCl kill would make way more sense. "Why would someone like boxerfred kill him?" Because marv was going against him pretty hard during the night? Because boxerfred has a teammate that knows how good marv is? Because he just has to read the thread to know that?
Seriously, wtf.
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If there are a lot of reasons for why boxerfred isn't mafia then explain them in detail please because he will be lynched as is.
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On June 12 2015 01:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
and yes you see that i am implying that salty could be mafia here but im not ready to entertain that yet. although the kill certainly suggests it
Fine. I do not agree but that explains that part.
Yes, marv has been reasonable with bf but he was clearly interrogating him and coming to the same conclusions I did while he showed doubts about fuba being scum several times. It absolutely makes sense for bf to kill him.
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On June 12 2015 01:37 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 00:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually I for one find the marv kill very puzzling, sure it was obvious he was town but he wasn't really going to his usual great lengths to solve the game, he was just kind of playing a more casual style. Why the hell would some one like boxerfred kill him who doesnt know his rep? there are a lot of reasons for why boxerfred isnt mafia. The only logical explanation after this would be that fuba is mafia but Salty is contributing a lot more to the game and was also pushing fuba so you'd then have to go back to this being a rep kill, meaning the mafia team is comprised of at least 1 if not two people that are scared of marv.
Which leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage There is absolutely nothing puzzling about that kill. And it for sure does NOT indicate that fuba is mafia. He could very well be but if he was then a NaCl kill would make way more sense. "Why would someone like boxerfred kill him?" Because marv was going against him pretty hard during the night? Because boxerfred has a teammate that knows how good marv is? Because he just has to read the thread to know that? Seriously, wtf. marv pushed fuba D1 already, so let's say fuba is scum and knows how good "marv is" as you say, he'd have quite the reason. Also I'd like to note that all the rethorical questions you raise on "why would bf kill marv" are not limited to me. You could exchange my name with pretty much everyone because the answers to those questions are not "Well, that's because boxerfred...". Only the "marv went at me"-argument stands.
Yes, but marv was townreading fuba on and off while NaCl said "We are lynching fuba - don't even contest this lynch". And you are right that the only argument that stands is that marv went against you but the point of my post wasn't to say why you are scum but to explain why what vayne said makes no sense.
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On June 12 2015 01:42 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:37 boxerfred wrote:On June 12 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 00:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually I for one find the marv kill very puzzling, sure it was obvious he was town but he wasn't really going to his usual great lengths to solve the game, he was just kind of playing a more casual style. Why the hell would some one like boxerfred kill him who doesnt know his rep? there are a lot of reasons for why boxerfred isnt mafia. The only logical explanation after this would be that fuba is mafia but Salty is contributing a lot more to the game and was also pushing fuba so you'd then have to go back to this being a rep kill, meaning the mafia team is comprised of at least 1 if not two people that are scared of marv.
Which leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage There is absolutely nothing puzzling about that kill. And it for sure does NOT indicate that fuba is mafia. He could very well be but if he was then a NaCl kill would make way more sense. "Why would someone like boxerfred kill him?" Because marv was going against him pretty hard during the night? Because boxerfred has a teammate that knows how good marv is? Because he just has to read the thread to know that? Seriously, wtf. marv pushed fuba D1 already, so let's say fuba is scum and knows how good "marv is" as you say, he'd have quite the reason. Also I'd like to note that all the rethorical questions you raise on "why would bf kill marv" are not limited to me. You could exchange my name with pretty much everyone because the answers to those questions are not "Well, that's because boxerfred...". Only the "marv went at me"-argument stands. Also you're now just doing what I said in the above (longer) post: Show nested quote +"Look, marv is quite active. And he's fighting with boxerfred. Now if we kill scum, wouldn't town think rather fast that boxerfred snapped and killed him because he's pissed off? He's already set up for the lynch, that'd be the nail. If need be, we can even point that out." That's not a blame, I'm just saying. Can't really say anything about it since my post came after yours and you wouldn't believe me that I didn't refresh before I hit the post button anyways. At least I wouldn't believe that.
Fair enough. I am not calling you scum for the nightkill - plenty of people had reason to kill marv. I am just clarifying that it does not exonerate you at all because you definitely had reason to kill him if you are mafia.
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On June 12 2015 01:46 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:41 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 01:37 boxerfred wrote:On June 12 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 00:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
Actually I for one find the marv kill very puzzling, sure it was obvious he was town but he wasn't really going to his usual great lengths to solve the game, he was just kind of playing a more casual style. Why the hell would some one like boxerfred kill him who doesnt know his rep? there are a lot of reasons for why boxerfred isnt mafia. The only logical explanation after this would be that fuba is mafia but Salty is contributing a lot more to the game and was also pushing fuba so you'd then have to go back to this being a rep kill, meaning the mafia team is comprised of at least 1 if not two people that are scared of marv.
Which leads me to believe that if fuba is not mafia then there is something off about this game. I think this is the best information kill today while also yielding the highest mafia percentage There is absolutely nothing puzzling about that kill. And it for sure does NOT indicate that fuba is mafia. He could very well be but if he was then a NaCl kill would make way more sense. "Why would someone like boxerfred kill him?" Because marv was going against him pretty hard during the night? Because boxerfred has a teammate that knows how good marv is? Because he just has to read the thread to know that? Seriously, wtf. marv pushed fuba D1 already, so let's say fuba is scum and knows how good "marv is" as you say, he'd have quite the reason. Also I'd like to note that all the rethorical questions you raise on "why would bf kill marv" are not limited to me. You could exchange my name with pretty much everyone because the answers to those questions are not "Well, that's because boxerfred...". Only the "marv went at me"-argument stands. Yes, but marv was townreading fuba on and off while NaCl said "We are lynching fuba - don't even contest this lynch". And you are right that the only argument that stands is that marv went against you but the point of my post wasn't to say why you are scum but to explain why what vayne said makes no sense. Hmyeah, I get this. You're basically saying "everyone has a good reason to lynch marv but bf has the best one". Hm. Your argumentation implies that NaCl could be scum since he was the best target to kill. I mean, he's the towniest of towns to me and his posts are really well thought out. He's the biggest danger probably. So why not kill him but kill marv? To put the blame on me, like I said before? If fuba was mafia, that would be a decent play I think. He's not killing the most obvious guy which would even put blame on him (because nacl went after him) but instead kills another high value town target, putting the blame on me. What do you think of that? On the other hand, the death of marv is an indicator that NaCl is scum in a weird way ("well scum would kill NaCl for his efforts and because he got yamato lynched. But he's scum so we can't kill him. He's got town cred over 9000 anyways.") Not sure if I'm willing to believe that. TBH, I'm not, no.
No, I personally do not believe NaCl is scum. And sure scum could have killed marv to incriminate you but usually scum just kills townies that are on the right track and if fuba isn't mafia then NaCl was NOT on the right track. But this whole discussion is more or less WIFOM anyways. Fact is marv is a good kill for any scumteam.
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On June 12 2015 01:52 NaCl`y wrote:
I'm not sure you are mafia anymore, Boxerfred. I really liked your last post.
##unvote
##vote fuba
What exactly did you like about it?
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On June 12 2015 01:57 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:52 NaCl`y wrote:
I'm not sure you are mafia anymore, Boxerfred. I really liked your last post.
##unvote
##vote fuba and by last post I mean big response. Also, justanothertownie, I'm not sure you ever answered my question. Why is mig mafia and not town for his case, just because it was wrong? Personally I feel the case itself was poor but I don't think it means that Mig is mafia at all. Some of the reads he made (the connections with you and yamato, for example) seemed well thought out and showed he had a good grasp of what has happened this game and who has said what. I would be more interested if he talked about other people though.
You answered it yourself - the case is poor. I stated why before and gave several examples of things he said that do not make me scum at all.
1) I do not think town Mig makes this bad of a case.
2) If town Mig made this bad of a case then he would at least do more than that. He isn't trying to figure out anyones alignment and instead content with sitting on his poor case without reevaluating despite people telling him that it is bad. He isn't questioning anyone else, he isn't interacting with anyone else in general and he doesn't give reads on anyone else.
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On June 12 2015 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Exactly what I like about BF's posts before JAT gets on my dick:
He's showing a thought process that's trying to figure out the game despite having been down-in-the-dumps earlier with all the martyring. I'm not sure new scum, after losing a scum game just before, would have the motivation to keep up the discussion.
He's not trying to scum on N-eh-CL when the opening is clearly there. Although he could also just be aware that nacl will not be lynched.
I think discussing the night kills to the extent that they have been recently is really, really WIFOM and probably not worth it.
One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread.
First I do not think motivation is a problem for this guy. He wanted to keep going when he was basically confirmed scum in his last game, remember? And I don't know what to make of his sudden turnaround. He is clearly trying to appease me regardless of his alignment. I have a somewhat hard time seeing a townie going from taunting me and calling me basically 100 % mafia to this because of one post where I told him that martyring is not the way to go as town. He could also just have noticed that the antagonizing/martyring won't save him and therefore he changed his strategy.
There is no opening for scumreading NaCl. That is bullshit.
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On June 12 2015 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Exactly what I like about BF's posts before JAT gets on my dick:
He's showing a thought process that's trying to figure out the game despite having been down-in-the-dumps earlier with all the martyring. I'm not sure new scum, after losing a scum game just before, would have the motivation to keep up the discussion.
He's not trying to scum on N-eh-CL when the opening is clearly there. Although he could also just be aware that nacl will not be lynched.
I think discussing the night kills to the extent that they have been recently is really, really WIFOM and probably not worth it.
One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread.
I would like you to back this up with examples. Where is the thought process of trying to figure out the game exactly? Because you said the nightkill discussion is WIFOM and his whole big post is about it basically.
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On June 12 2015 05:12 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 04:51 justanothertownie wrote:On June 12 2015 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Exactly what I like about BF's posts before JAT gets on my dick:
He's showing a thought process that's trying to figure out the game despite having been down-in-the-dumps earlier with all the martyring. I'm not sure new scum, after losing a scum game just before, would have the motivation to keep up the discussion.
He's not trying to scum on N-eh-CL when the opening is clearly there. Although he could also just be aware that nacl will not be lynched.
I think discussing the night kills to the extent that they have been recently is really, really WIFOM and probably not worth it.
One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread. I would like you to back this up with examples. Where is the thought process of trying to figure out the game exactly? Because you said the nightkill discussion is WIFOM and his whole big post is about it basically. I do think the nightkill is wifom and that is how he's trying to figure out the game. That's why, while I said I like his posts, I haven't unvoted him or called him town. Why don't you think motivation would be a problem?
I just said that? He stayed in a game where he was basically confirmed scum and thought he could still win. Why would a guy like that just give up now?
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On June 12 2015 05:15 Fecalfeast wrote:as for the nacl thing, he already was in a position to use the nightkill wifom to implicate nacl and decided against it. Show nested quote +On June 12 2015 01:46 boxerfred wrote:
[snip]
On the other hand, the death of marv is an indicator that NaCl is scum in a weird way ("well scum would kill NaCl for his efforts and because he got yamato lynched. But he's scum so we can't kill him. He's got town cred over 9000 anyways.")
Not sure if I'm willing to believe that. TBH, I'm not, no.
Yeah, so what? NaCl is not someone he could get lynched anyways and if he pisses him off to then his chance of survival is close to 0.
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Whatever, I will go to sleep. Let's see who of bf, fuba and mig I want to kill the most tomorrow.
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On June 12 2015 10:36 NaCl`y wrote:
Yam isn't a lurker
Yamato is one of the biggest lurkers currently on this site and is regularly lynched for just flat out afking. I will just respectfully disagree with you in regards to Fuba. All of the posts you link are very scummy non contributory posts and I think he has a good chance of flipping mafia.
I disagree with your justanothertownie read since he does everything you mention as town too, albeit he does have a particularly prickly side in this game.
Who the hell are you? If you are HF I might have to reevaluate you.
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On June 12 2015 09:39 Mig wrote:Anyway meh, maybe I am wrong about JAT. But everyone shitting on my case is annoying. I don't see any 100% lock I have found the mafia cases by anyone else. I read JAT's responses and is he really this much of a giant dick as town? Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:46 justanothertownie wrote:
At this point we are just lynching boxer and mig back to back and probably win. And if one of them happens to be just terrible town I won't even feel bad about it. I mean seriously does it look like JAT cares at all about whether I am town or not? And calling my case against him lazy is bullshit. I easily put more work into trying to figure out if JAT is town or not than pretty much any other case here. For the people who actually read my case does my case look at all like I am mafia? Shouldn't JAT be able to at least see the possibility of my case coming from a townie?
Being a dick is not alignment indicative for many people and I am certainly not one of them. If someone is acting retarded I reserve the right to call him an idiot - deal with it.
Tell me why should I townread you for a really bad case on me? When you never ever reevaluate even though multiple people tell you how crappy it is? If you are town then I am probably holding you to a standard which is too high but from my limited experience with you I do not see this as town Mig.
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On June 12 2015 09:28 Mig wrote:Hi I am here, what do you guys want my reads on everybody? NAC/hts obvious fuba - I already discussed him, and personally I think the NAC case that fuba is speaking in absolutes is reaching. When I read his filter it looked like wishy washy fuba. fancy feast and prplhz - I lean town on both of them but they arent strong reads for Fancy feast I thought his jump onto yam felt really natural and townie. Didn't try to take any credit, wasn't wordy etc. Didn't seem like he was concerned at all that someone might call him for bandwagoning. Then had this post which I thought was good + Show Spoiler +On June 09 2015 04:16 Fecalfeast wrote:[refrains from talking about replacement] chezinu is zzzzzzzzz come on defense thineself Boxersteve is looking more frustrated with the pressure than he is looking scummy to me. Also, one of his first posts is a case on yamato. That being said, his reaction to the marv pressure was a little over the top fuba's filter is disappointing. You see these meaty posts at the top and then he kinda just dies off. This post right before lynch time: Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 05:48 fuba wrote:
Got about 15 minutes left for lunch.
Read boxerfred's response to me. I guess I can see it from his POV. If he's truly a new player who's been busy with kids, I can see him just kinda letting D1 happen and stepping back in D2. Bothers me that he said he was gonna catch up on the last few pages, but has yet to comment on anything, really, that doesn't directly involve him. If no one else is going for him, I guess I'll switch?
But that leaves me with few choices, really. I agree with JAT's not-lynch list (and I add JAT to it, as well). Yamato is probably the one I see the most actual scum potential in, though it's mostly because I'm not entirely sure how to read FF or even VA all that well. Chezinu I have no idea whatsoever how to read, and the same almost goes for slam. It's mostly a POE vote, coupled with the fact that I just kinda expect more out of him as town.
##Vote yamato77 This looks like he was really grasping for reasons to vote yamato. First he overexplains his unvote of boxer, then tries to pass off sheeping JAT's list, then saying he can't read VA, Slam, Chez or me, as POE. With an hour before deadline this post looks very very forced to me. + Show Spoiler [crackpot theory] +On June 07 2015 10:24 fuba wrote:
Yay! Also, what does spew mean? This post has more strategic merit to it if fuba is scum. Seeing people ask if yamato spewed anyone and not knowing what it is to stop himself from doing it would be bad. VA is coming off as town to me and I don't really know why. I've only really seen him AFK and this game his random posts have been focused. The focus reminds me of when he decided to town-side as 3p survivor in brazil carnival. prplhz never posts this much as mafia and every time I have made this read about him I have been correct. He has 4 pages of filter and it's only day 2. + Show Spoiler [evidence] +Marv is acting really antagonistic and silly. I honestly don't have any experience with scum marv other than that time I was on a team with him and he got lynched day 1. I guess he's towny this game since he's not dead? best read 2015 couple questions for people: VAShow nested quote +On June 08 2015 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:
I'm probably going to die tonight so let me post my case on chezinu.
He is mafia because we were playing duck duck mafia and when I patted his head I yelled out mafia and then i ran around in a circle and got back to my spot first he couldn't catch me Why did you think you were going to die last night? fuba if you think the light busing right away is silly, yet you're using it as a reason to TR him, is it not serving its purpose? This question is stupid, I know. I'm just trying to say that reading someone town because the 'plays' they make don't make sense as mafia is stupid. boxerfrank if you think marv is unfairly twisting your words, why are you content to look elsewhere? Willfully misrepresenting someone is a scum trait and you could easily make a case on marv if you compiled all the ways in which he misrepresented your argument. For prplhz, mainly leaned town because it felt like he was actually trying to look at things with an open mind and he wasn't afraid to fight with JAT day1, when in the past I have seen prplhz lurk really hard as mafia, which FF pointed out before as well. He has done nothing the past couple days so if I am wrong about any of my town reads it is probably prplhz. So then that leaves boxer/JAT/vayne Vayne I have no fucking clue JAT I have made my case Boxer I discussed a bit, probably the scummiest thing I think he did was his case on JAT. Basically telling a bs story and misconstruing some events to try and fit his narrative. one thing also for boxer + Show Spoiler +
On June 12 2015 01:32 boxerfred wrote:
The other thought I had at that time was "Wait, why is Mig pushing on JAT when JAT is already in a fight with me?" Like, for scum, the best thing to have is to have as many accusations going as possible. Light fires wherever you can and once some fires are burning, chime in every now and then to make sure it keeps burning. I'm the biggest fire that's currently burning, yes, but once I'm lynched, it gets hard to get another fire started when you didn't spark something up in the first days already. So Mig might've seen a good opportunity in jumping on JAT, since he can imagine me getting lynched and then town people might jump on JAT.
That's why I think they are not the same alignment. It's a bit tinfoilhatty but I can see scum-Mig putting pressure on people because scum really needs mislynches. That's like the one thing I took from my first game since we lost scum-scott D1 when I was scum in that game.
Seems reasonable except why doesn't boxer even consider the possibility that me and JAT are both town? According to this his first thought was that I could be scum and I am attempting to set up another mislynch. Shouldn't his first thought have been that I am probably town and seeing the same thing as him if he thinks JAT is scum? Feels like boxer is retroactively writing his own narrative for how he wants the story to be seen.
Like imagine you are me and town. And you know how easy it is to read you town. Then there is this guy who is a pretty decent town player usually and makes an incredibly weak case on you, never reevaluates this and does nothing else really.
Look at this post of yours. Your scumreads are boxer, who earlier - before I specifically called you out on it - never even appeared in your paranoia worlds - and your reason for scumreading him is a case on your biggest scumread. VA who is at best a coinflip and me who is obviously town. There is no scumread for which you have provided any kind of sound reasoning. It also does not look like you put in any effort to come to this conclusion (sorry, if you did but it does really not look like it).
Would you townread yourself in my position? I think not.
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On June 12 2015 14:18 prplhz wrote:
are you calling mig scum or what?
Are you reading the thread at all? How can you possibly miss that?
Yes, I do.
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On June 12 2015 10:08 Mig wrote:
Let me ask you this concerning fuba, do you think it is more likely for a mafia fuba to lurk and say nothing or to post questioning about chez when everyone in the thread is 100% set on lynching him? Why if he is mafia did he speak up at all? Just in the hopes people gave him town cred?
Because he has to post something at some point. Why wouldn't he keep lurking us a really really bad argument. Fuba has trouble posting as scum - he is barely posting at all and the sparse contributions he made were almost exclusively extremely awkward.
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On June 12 2015 15:01 prplhz wrote:
jat is probably town but being so divisive and disagreeable that it might be better for us to just lynch him. i'll probably just ignore all his posts though.
What else is new? You have proven on multiple occasions that you haven't really read my posts from the start.
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Like how on earth can you complain about the way I answered you just now? I have been going against Mig all day and made countless posts calling him scum. There is no way you miss that if you read the goddamn thread.
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You are sitting there not doing anything while I am driving the thread forward and discussing possible mafia/lynches all day and without even reading my posts you have the nerve to call me antitown. Good fucking job.
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On June 12 2015 17:44 boxerfred wrote:Won't escape the train obviously HTS's stuff on me is strong. I can't really get that off me. I realized by now that my D1 behaviour can looks scummy, yes, but I really am not. So considering I will be lynched anyways, I'm now giving my impressions of people where I'd locate scum. So once I flip green (this is not martyring but instead saying how it is ). ##vote fuba
Good. You could start with the reason why you are voting Fuba.
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On June 12 2015 20:07 boxerfred wrote:
Didn't know I'd be gone before the game, would've said something else. My friends suggested to spontaneously go camping over the weekend. I might chime in by mobile but I don't think so.
Legit excuse. But that is a real problem.
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On June 13 2015 02:35 prplhz wrote:
i'd rather just listen to salty because he was right on yam and at least boxerfred is around doing stuff even though i don't much like what he is doing
How is something you do not like better than nothing? Legit question - not meant as an insult. And yeah the activity today is a fucking disgrace. Especially coming from the people who are set to be lynched.
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As long as fuba does not even bother to post I will kill him without hesitation.
##Vote: Fuba
The problem is that boxerfred is also afk and won't be back.
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On June 13 2015 03:59 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 02:37 prplhz wrote:
marv thought fuba was town in the end but he didn't see fuba disappear like this Not sure if that's alignment indicative. Long periods of afk. I think someone said it wasn't though. I don't know, I've only known him from his Carnaval game though. I can vote down either one. EoD is in 3 hours so he still has some time but not much. I'll be home shortly, will look up a few games to double check.
I do not think fuba got dat never mislynched stat by not posting for 72 hours. The contribution he made earlier weren't impressive either.
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On June 13 2015 04:25 Mig wrote:
If fuba doesnt show up and vote I assume he will be mod killed?
We will NOT expect that and let him be. It just takes a ninjavote at deadline and we will have to waste another whole day getting rid of him. It's not like that hasn't happened before.
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On June 13 2015 04:34 Mig wrote:
Most people feel that boxer and fuba are both good lynch candidates, with fuba slightly edging it. Why not take care of both if you have the chance? If fuba sneaks in a vote right before deadline so what? Unless the information that comes from fubas death changes what will happen tomorrow.
If Fuba flips mafia you are next.
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On June 13 2015 04:38 Mig wrote:
Ok and what if fuba flips town.....
Probably bf.
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On June 13 2015 04:51 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 04:50 Mig wrote:
If you think at any point in this game you are going to need to lynch bf then it is better to do it now and avoid wasting a day and giving mafia another nk How does the order of two deaths matter when the plan is to kill them both?
He is arguing in case of a modkill and if we knew fuba will stay afk he would be right but we don't.
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On June 13 2015 04:56 Mig wrote:
What I can tell you is, I am town so if fuba flips mafia and you mislynch me you are still going to have to take care of boxer. Unless someone else comes up who is a better candidate than boxer.
So it has to be worth the risk of lynching boxer if fuba hasn't shown up right before lynch. If he does show up and ninja vote who cares? You lynch him tomorrow and you would have lynched bf anyway eventually.
So you believe in a world where they are bith mafia? Because I don't think we are that lucky.
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On June 13 2015 05:03 Mig wrote:
Jat I am working with the information of knowing my alignment, I know I am not mafia which makes it more likely that fuba/boxer could both be mafia yes.
Or fuba could be town and bf mafia.
Just look at this logically. Mafia needs multiple mislynches where they can get nks. If town essentially has the chance to double lynch the 2 most suspicious people then they should take it. Unless there is a point when you think you guys will not lynch boxer.
There is a flaw to this logic. If we kill them both and one of them is town we lose a mislynch.
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So no, it does not make it so that scum has a nightkill less.
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If we lynch fuba and he flips mafia it is NOT certain that we will lynch bf. If we lynch boxerfred and he flips mafia and town fuba gets modkilled then we basically still have mislynched. I think the only world in which fuba does not return to ninjavote/post is where he is town.
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In the almost unimaginable world where both are town we double mislynch and are in LYLO immediately.
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On June 13 2015 05:14 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. Fuba has posted once this cycle and it also says in the op that no votes will be warned/modkilled so he will just be warned most likely.
Then the whole discussion is useless anyways.
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On June 13 2015 05:16 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 05:15 justanothertownie wrote:
In the almost unimaginable world where both are town we double mislynch and are in LYLO immediately. It would be 5/2 so we'd have 1 ml left but yeah I was about to say this
Wrong. You forgot the nightkill.
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On June 13 2015 05:19 Mig wrote:
I think bf is more likely to be mafia than fuba and I am trying to get him lynched. Use some common sense
But still he is right that you are entertaining a world where both are mafia while I am supposedly your top scumread.
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On June 13 2015 05:23 Mig wrote:
At this point you guys just view everything I do as scummy apparently.
I have never claimed 100% you are mafia JAT I could be wrong. I think bf is more likely mafia than fuba. So why wouldn't I try to get him lynched? I cant control whether fuba doesn't come back and gets mod killed.
Not 100 %, sure. But you only unvoted me because I am never getting lynched.
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The problem is the following: fuba not posting at all today is more likely to come from mafia. If he is mafia this discussion is great because he can just keep afking. And if he us mafia he probably won't let himself be modkilled.
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On June 13 2015 05:41 Mig wrote:
Ok but I put such a target on myself that I am extremely likely to be lynched if they are both town.
I am basically working under the assumption that at least one of them is mafia otherwise the game is going to be incredibly difficult. And we could save a nk by killing both now.
Anyway tho I am mistaken. Nac is right. Even saving a nk it doesn't give town anymore time.
So yea dont do it nm
Nac is right?! I am the one that has been telling you that for ages.
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Btw. I don't know why but the whole incident makes Mig look towny to me.
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Hm, good talk. Awesome effort by fuba also. If that dude does not flip scum he should be ashamed.
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If boxerfred is town we will lose this game.
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On June 13 2015 21:49 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 19:18 justanothertownie wrote:
If boxerfred is town we will lose this game. That's not true at all, there's still another cycle after that!
Doesn't matter. By then the good townies are dead, morale is awful and scum only needs one mislynch.
On June 13 2015 22:44 NaCl`y wrote:
If bf is mafia, va is likely his partner because of the push bf never continued to follow up on. This was unlike his justanothertownie push where he didn't drop it. It's basically all in that post I made.
Not only because of that. The way VA tried to go after fuba instead of boxer felt kind mafia VAish.
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Also his "this is 2 town fighting" comment about me and bf smells like agenda if boxerfred is scum. There was no reason at all to assume that it was 2 town fighting.
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On June 13 2015 23:07 NaCl`y wrote:
Well I town read fecal, half the sky, you and possibly prplhz so I don't think it's a problem since they can't kill all of us and there will still be someone to figure things out.
Why fecal? HTS and prplhz I agree even though prplhz has become more and more irrelevant sadly. You should be town depending on your identity.
Even if all of those reads are correct and we never lynch them it doesn't necessarily mean we will win.
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On June 13 2015 23:55 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2015 23:40 justanothertownie wrote:On June 13 2015 23:07 NaCl`y wrote:
Well I town read fecal, half the sky, you and possibly prplhz so I don't think it's a problem since they can't kill all of us and there will still be someone to figure things out. Why fecal? HTS and prplhz I agree even though prplhz has become more and more irrelevant sadly. You should be town depending on your identity. Even if all of those reads are correct and we never lynch them it doesn't necessarily mean we will win. Fecal has been making cases and actually participating and I haven't got the feeling that he's mafia from the posts he's made. Also, if boxerfred is town that should only leave mig and vayne? Why would that not be a win?
I did not count FF because I am not townreading him.
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On June 14 2015 00:06 Half the Sky wrote:
But right now? I think FF is town.
BF is still the common denominator in all of this, I feel, as most likely to be mafia.
Of course - we will absolutely lynch him tomorrow. I already feel bad for not doing so yesterday after rereading some of the shit he pulled. But on the other hand fuba was basically mafia too so whatever.
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On June 14 2015 00:27 NaCl`y wrote:
Can you explain why? In his last game he struggled to even make a case to save himself. In ippo he didn't particularly scum read anyone and got called out by numerous people on night 1. This game he has made cases and appeared quite towny. Not to mention it would be another scum game in a row where I'd theorise his effort would be quite minimal.
Are you HF?
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And since FF apparently thinks scum is more fun than town I would not expect his effort to minimal. You can make the argument that he was townier/did more in his scumgames but that's basically it.
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On June 14 2015 00:44 NaCl`y wrote:
Is that an answer to my query? Who I am is not relevant to this game. I will very likely die tonight and will reveal post game.
It is very relevant. Yeah, let's hope you die tonight then.
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On June 14 2015 00:47 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:43 justanothertownie wrote:
And since FF apparently thinks scum is more fun than town I would not expect his effort to minimal. You can make the argument that he was townier/did more in his scumgames but that's basically it. I would say it's the complete opposite since he was scum read every time he was mafia and town read when he was town. I am pretty sure he is town so I'd rather people follow my read for end game if needs be than yours since yours doesn't seem to have any game relevant basis for your read. If you do not trust that, I will inevitably flip soon and you can trust it then.
He was widely townread in Ippo.
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On June 14 2015 00:50 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:47 Half the Sky wrote:On June 14 2015 00:43 justanothertownie wrote:
And since FF apparently thinks scum is more fun than town I would not expect his effort to minimal. You can make the argument that he was townier/did more in his scumgames but that's basically it. I think Salty is alluding more to the quality of FF's posting rather than the quantity here, even I said last cycle that his filter size is not alignment indicative. Precisely. In his mafia games they have been devoid of content. He even struggled to make basic cases to save himself in Carnival. Here he has made a giant case on Boxerfred when he did not need to and has been generally quite towny in his posts.
Let's be honest. Making a case on boxerfred is not hard to do. But fine, it is not like I want to lynch him tomorrow anyways.
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And "he could not make a case to save himself" - are you talking about the game where he was basically confirmed scum because bunnies did not vote him and rsoultin was in full bus mode?
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On June 14 2015 00:52 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:50 justanothertownie wrote:On June 14 2015 00:47 NaCl`y wrote:On June 14 2015 00:43 justanothertownie wrote:
And since FF apparently thinks scum is more fun than town I would not expect his effort to minimal. You can make the argument that he was townier/did more in his scumgames but that's basically it. I would say it's the complete opposite since he was scum read every time he was mafia and town read when he was town. I am pretty sure he is town so I'd rather people follow my read for end game if needs be than yours since yours doesn't seem to have any game relevant basis for your read. If you do not trust that, I will inevitably flip soon and you can trust it then. He was widely townread in Ippo. That's simply not true in the slightest. Damdred made a case on Fecalfeast night 1, marvellosity had agreed with it. He was tracked because he was scummy and people agreed with Damdred's posts on fecal. Perhaps you should read night 1 again.
HF (scum, I know) made a list putting him in the highest town category and marv/me/other people agreed with it day1.
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On June 14 2015 00:53 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:51 justanothertownie wrote:On June 14 2015 00:50 NaCl`y wrote:On June 14 2015 00:47 Half the Sky wrote:On June 14 2015 00:43 justanothertownie wrote:
And since FF apparently thinks scum is more fun than town I would not expect his effort to minimal. You can make the argument that he was townier/did more in his scumgames but that's basically it. I think Salty is alluding more to the quality of FF's posting rather than the quantity here, even I said last cycle that his filter size is not alignment indicative. Precisely. In his mafia games they have been devoid of content. He even struggled to make basic cases to save himself in Carnival. Here he has made a giant case on Boxerfred when he did not need to and has been generally quite towny in his posts. Let's be honest. Making a case on boxerfred is not hard to do. But fine, it is not like I want to lynch him tomorrow anyways. There is a stark contrast between his games. I get the feeling that you are setting him up for lylo to be lynched, especially as you have no content based reason to have any doubts about him.
What kind of bullshit is that? I have no content based reason to townread him so obviously I have reason to doubt him. I have reason to doubt everyone that is not confirmed town.
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On June 14 2015 00:53 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:51 justanothertownie wrote:On June 14 2015 00:50 NaCl`y wrote:On June 14 2015 00:47 Half the Sky wrote:On June 14 2015 00:43 justanothertownie wrote:
And since FF apparently thinks scum is more fun than town I would not expect his effort to minimal. You can make the argument that he was townier/did more in his scumgames but that's basically it. I think Salty is alluding more to the quality of FF's posting rather than the quantity here, even I said last cycle that his filter size is not alignment indicative. Precisely. In his mafia games they have been devoid of content. He even struggled to make basic cases to save himself in Carnival. Here he has made a giant case on Boxerfred when he did not need to and has been generally quite towny in his posts. Let's be honest. Making a case on boxerfred is not hard to do. But fine, it is not like I want to lynch him tomorrow anyways. There is a stark contrast between his games. I get the feeling that you are setting him up for lylo to be lynched, especially as you have no content based reason to have any doubts about him.
Are you seriously flipping your read on me because I am not agreeing with your FF townread?
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Anyways, I am leaving now and probably won't be back before deadline. Should I die give not salty a free pass - if he is alive in LYLO you should get really fucking paranoid.
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On June 14 2015 01:02 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 00:57 justanothertownie wrote:On June 14 2015 00:53 NaCl`y wrote:On June 14 2015 00:51 justanothertownie wrote:On June 14 2015 00:50 NaCl`y wrote:On June 14 2015 00:47 Half the Sky wrote:On June 14 2015 00:43 justanothertownie wrote:
And since FF apparently thinks scum is more fun than town I would not expect his effort to minimal. You can make the argument that he was townier/did more in his scumgames but that's basically it. I think Salty is alluding more to the quality of FF's posting rather than the quantity here, even I said last cycle that his filter size is not alignment indicative. Precisely. In his mafia games they have been devoid of content. He even struggled to make basic cases to save himself in Carnival. Here he has made a giant case on Boxerfred when he did not need to and has been generally quite towny in his posts. Let's be honest. Making a case on boxerfred is not hard to do. But fine, it is not like I want to lynch him tomorrow anyways. There is a stark contrast between his games. I get the feeling that you are setting him up for lylo to be lynched, especially as you have no content based reason to have any doubts about him. Are you seriously flipping your read on me because I am not agreeing with your FF townread? I find it highly strange that you are unable to read his filter and come to any decisive conclusion yourself yet you are able to do so with prplhz. It just seems extremely odd that your reads on mig have changed for little reason and were the opposite to my reaction of fuba flipping town. Your reactions feel very off to me and it's as if you'd rather keep scum reads open than try and figure out whether the person is town or not.
How can you even compare FF to prplhz? Prplhz is a fucking pussy as mafia and generally really bad at playing scum. I can't say that about FF.
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On June 11 2015 03:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 03:20 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:16 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote:On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? As the only lurker in this game, oh wait... So what if there are other lurkers? The argument "but those other guys are as guilty as me" is something that mafia makes all the fucking time. And who are you even talking about? fuba mig Va off the top of my head. I said my part about mig and fuba/VA are known lurkers who do it every single game regardless of alignment. So your argument is invalid. Alright JAT, so then (based on my previous question) am I correct here in saying that your primary argument against FF is his lurkiness? I don't know if it is the primary argument. Primary would be that he just is not towny/I can't remember even a single good thing he said. The only thing I remember is what other people said ABOUT him and his willingness to shenannie for no reason.
THIS is by far and large still wholly accurate.
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On June 14 2015 06:49 Mig wrote:
Vayne's reaction is a bit weird to me. If he thinks I am mafia I would normally expect him to come out stronger against me after I call him scummy, mention something at least about how I am trying to set up a mislynch on him, etc. Instead he weakly just defends himself and admits he looks bad. Lacks the confidence I would expect to see from a care free vayne.
On the flip side it is a weird spot for him to be hard defending boxer if they were both mafia. So I guess lynch boxer and reevaluate.
His "someone active is mafia" comment was also weird. If I am not mistaken he poed it down to nacl, me and you which considering the fact that there are 2 mafia left is pretty narrow. But he did not dare to say that he really scumreads nacl or me.
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On June 14 2015 07:50 prplhz wrote:
i'm sort of having second thoughts about jat though because this whole thing is not turning out the way i had hoped it would. i think i need to rethink everything. his d1 looked townie enough just on the activity side and how marv read him but marv was sort of lazy this game and even he can also be fooled sometimes. what worries me the most is how he's waited every day before voting, like he didn't commit to anything. at the same time he's trying to take credit for things that isn't him at all. like the fuba lynch wasn't him at all but he tried to make it sound like he had anything to do with it, you know? i don't know if this delusion of grandeur is fo realz or if he's just fucking around.
nacl town though lol. just that d1 case on yam.
What are you even talking about? Waiting before I vote is what I do every fucking game. When did I try to take undeserved credit for the fuba lynch and what kind of credit would I even expect as mafia for lynching a townie?
If nacl is HF which is not unlikely then making the case on yamato day1 means jackshit. If that's the case then let's just pray that he dies asap because if he lives through 2 more nights he is probably mafia.
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On June 14 2015 07:55 Mig wrote:
If one of boxer/vayne is not mafia this is going to get dicey.
Also it pains me to say this because I really want jat to be mafia after hes shit on me this entire game but feeling way less certain about it.
1) claiming mafia killed marv because he gave an air tight reason for marv to be town. His reason was definitely not air tight but it was such a townie reaction. Townies love to congratulate themselves for things like this even if it didnt influence the mafia.
2) even though my plan around last lynch was bad for town he read that my intentions were to help (at least I assume this is what he meant when he said it makes me look townier). This does nothing to help mafia and it would have been an easy spot to call me scummy which nac/vayne did.
1) It was absolutely airtight and marv himself even sad so.
2) That was more or less it, yes.
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On June 14 2015 07:56 prplhz wrote:
i don't know what jat's allegedly air tight reason for marv town was but i doubt it was air tight in the mind of anyone but jat
Happens when you do not read. Just sayin.
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On June 14 2015 08:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote mig
Nothing else to say?
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On June 14 2015 08:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
not particularly. Although if salty wasn't actually a blue then I wonder what our 2nd role is. Probably nothing very useful if they havent claimed anything by now
What do you mean "wasn't actually a blue"? Did you have reason to assume he was blue? And why do you think we have a second role?
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This is how I see it: It is a 10 vs 3 game. That is more or less balanced even without roles. We had a JK which is a stupidly strong role in a mini. Scum does not seem to have a rber because someone would have claimed rb by now and I don't know what role they would have besides that that can go against a JK. I see no reason to assume that we have another blue.
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On June 14 2015 14:11 Mig wrote:
JAT I would like to hear who you think the final 2 mafia are as well please.
Same as FF- I did not reevaluate anything/read filters yet.
I agree that we are lynching boxerfred today. The second one should be one of VA/Mig/FF. It's not clear who. Maybe not FF because NaCl seemed to feel strongly about him being town and I will respect his reads now that he is confirmed town but I will not rule it out.
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On June 14 2015 22:40 Half the Sky wrote:JAT's townread me nearly the whole time, if not the whole time, and FF he has previously pushed for being lurky but he was at the bottom of the potential mafia pile, though both Salty and I have disputed the lurkiness, I felt it was not alignment indicative after looking games up in the database. At some point I believe he's scumread everyone else.
I don't remember pushing prplhz either.
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I never called FF scum I just disputed the townreads on him. I never pushed marv. I never pushed salty. The only reason I pushed Artanis was the cc.
And even if I had pushed everyone at some point - so what? That's not exactly what scum wants to do. So what is your point bf?
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On June 15 2015 03:13 Half the Sky wrote:
One potential thing I could have missed:
Mig - was JAT actually present when the marv/yam stuff was going on? Or did that happen whilst he was afk? Maybe I have to read yet again (JAT’s long filter is tenuous lol) but if it happened before the counterclaim (or even after Artanis' initial claim) it would fall in line with JAT being so predominated by the whole Artanis thing he couldn’t comment or felt an honest need not to prioritise it.
If it happened before Artanis's initial claim then you might have a valid point here. I know the scumread on marv was concurrent with the whole Artanis situation, given the reason but...
What yam/marv stuff are you talking about exactly and why should I have cared about it at all?
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I assume you are talking about the stuff were yamato said marv is more dickish as mafia. I really don't know why you would expect me to give a shit about that. It is obviously completely wrong but town yamato can be wrong and at that point he was at least actively discussing stuff which is something he rarely does as mafia and of course it stopped right after the claim shennanigans. And yes, it was right before the cc and I might have been afk (don't really remember) but I remember coming back to the cc and starting the whole Artanis train.
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On June 15 2015 07:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
im pretty sure we are all town guys, the answer is to no lynch and unlock the secret victory. honestly i got nothing this game. everyone at some point has given me a pretty good reason to read them as town,
##vote justanothertownie yolo
This from a guy that is usually really proud of his reads at least does not sound very believable. I do not understand the reasoning either. People being too towny is certainly NOT the problem with this game.
I kinda like FFs recent posts.
I am still waiting for dat incredible bf list.
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Ok, I probably won't really have time to play this game today. But fortunately I can't see any world in which we aren't lynching bf anyways. I will maybe look in here on my cell phone from time to time in case something big happens but that will be about it. I will put in some effort during the night though because I am likely the next nightkill regardless of boxerfreds flip.
##Vote: boxerfred
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On June 16 2015 04:15 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 04:05 boxerfred wrote:On June 16 2015 03:42 Half the Sky wrote:
When you have the time, can you explain why you voted fuba yesterday (the votes only got closer I believe after you AFKed)? I had almost no time to read so I voted off of a feeling to not get modkilled. I gut-felt that fuba was under pressure and decided that my vote would not get him killed, thus it'd be safe to put pressure on him too without actually killing him. I don't understand the logic here. You could have voted for anyone so that you would not get modkilled. How does fuba - or anyone - being under pressure - alone, make them scum? There are things such as pressure votes, but pressure votes generally have a purpose. So let me ask you this - putting into context your lack of time - if you had had the time to re-evaluate, what would (you have wanted) your vote on fuba to achieve?
The bolded is actually total bullshit. Fuba was clearly the only other player that could be lynched realistically and bf tries to sell that he voted him because he wasn't likely to die. Complete and utter bullshit.
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On June 16 2015 06:42 Mig wrote:
gotta take a shower, will be back in 20.
JAT/fancy feast really not going to give any opinions 1hr before lynch?
I told you I wouldn't have time today. Sitting in a train half drunk. Maybe I will be home before deadline to discuss but your defense of bf sounds like too scummy to be scum which is a bad argument.
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On June 16 2015 06:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Do I think VA is a better lynch? Well one thing that made me wonder is how he has been hard defending boxer.
What makes it potentially scum trait is that several things have been happening over the course of the game with boxer, and that read has been completely static with new information. If boxer is actually indeed town, VA actually could be mafia. I broached the idea of TMI with him, which becomes glaringly obvious given all the scum behaviour that's been weighted against him. So it raises the question why (aside from the JAT/BF argument that VA commented on as being town on town) or what else or what changes make him think he's town.
I agree that if bf is town this looks like tmi. But I just can't see how bf can be town.
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It is really surprising how contested this lynch is.
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The thing is VA can be scum regardless of bfs alignment.
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Meaning he is no reason to not lynch bf.
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On June 16 2015 07:25 Half the Sky wrote:
But yeah same problem here, he's not explaining why. And VA also called the JAT/BF fight town on town......so what changed with JAT (he was in his PoE in his filter) that didn't change with BF?
Good question. He said he wad townreading everyone though, lol.
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Like if bf, fuba and chez all thought it is a good idea or acceptable to play the way they did as town then I will happily blame it on them if we lose. If boxerfred is mafia and we do not lynch him today however I will blame and never forgive myself. Egoistical, I know.
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If all 3 of those players are town I will start losing faith in humanity.
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I see what Mig is talking about with the spreadsheet but honestly it does NOT seem like that much effort. And it is literally all he has done all day. If he is town he was #1 mislynch for 2 consecutive days now and there is absolutely 0 effort to avoid that. If we do not lynch him now we will do so later anyways.
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The lack of votes on bf is really concerning btw.
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On June 16 2015 07:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
basically my vote is a tipping of the hat to JAT as a player, i honestly doubt anyone else in this game could trick me that badly no offense. only other player i havent really played with is fecal and boxer so i could be wrong on those ofc.
And what are you achieving with that vote? Nothing. You are literally wasting your vote.
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On June 16 2015 07:47 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 07:46 justanothertownie wrote:
The lack of votes on bf is really concerning btw. What is concerning about it?
It is concerning that this vote is still really close.
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On June 16 2015 07:50 boxerfred wrote:
I think that it would actually be a good idea to look at the players that did not activelytry to get me lynched.
At this point you a) believe me that I'm town or b) lynch me, there's not much I can do.
I'd locate scum at Mig/phrplz/FF, HtS is my top town read, I'm not sure about JAT but I can see him being town too.
What about VA?
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On June 16 2015 07:52 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 07:51 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 07:50 boxerfred wrote:
I think that it would actually be a good idea to look at the players that did not activelytry to get me lynched.
At this point you a) believe me that I'm town or b) lynch me, there's not much I can do.
I'd locate scum at Mig/phrplz/FF, HtS is my top town read, I'm not sure about JAT but I can see him being town too.
What about VA? He's my scum ally of course
Very helpful.
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This praise from VA is really rubbing me the wrong way.
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On June 16 2015 07:54 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 07:53 justanothertownie wrote:
This praise from VA is really rubbing me the wrong way. You think he's buddying you?
I don't know if that's what it is but it just feels wrong.
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Please don't be town. Please...
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On June 16 2015 08:00 Mig wrote:
if it turns out we lose right here jat and you are town and boxer is town I am going to blame you and marv at least partially for driving boxer to insanity
Fuck that.
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Well played HTS. You really improved your scumgame.
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We would have never won this game.
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On June 16 2015 08:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Sorry guys I literally just got home, RL stuff happened
Doesn't even matter. Town as a whole completely shit the bed this game and I am not excluding myself. I actually sent in my nightaction too late night2 because - you guessed it - RL stuff happened and internet went down. But it wouldn't have made a difference because I wouldn't have gotten a result.
I would have tracked prplhz tonight though. But we would never have lynched HTS probably and chances are that I would have died tonight anyways.
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On June 16 2015 08:31 Mig wrote:
GG, modkills sucked but doubt that prplhz and hts were going to get lynched anyway. Thanks for hosting guys
My bad for tunneling JAT so hard.
Next time marv townreads me you should maybe trust him. Not that it will happen soon because I will not join a game again very soon.
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On June 16 2015 08:34 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 08:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Well played HTS. You really improved your scumgame. I thought of whether you'd ever catch me JAT. We were both scum in Void together. And I still have bad memories of that game. You know how badly I did but RL had a lot to do with that. Thankfully this go, work wasn't as bad. But from that performance...I knew I could do better than that.
I actually noticed that your posts were all just mainly rambling without any strong conclusion but the effort alone was so much especially compared to most of the townies in this game that I could not ever justify lynching you.
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On June 16 2015 08:36 Mig wrote:
Well it didnt help that you never town read me at all. We were both being hard headed about where we both probably felt we should have been obvious town to the other.
Unlike me you weren't universally townread though. Maybe there was a reason for that. I also did not make a really bad case on you.
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On June 16 2015 08:40 Mig wrote:
You definitely played great hts, only chance you possibly get lynched would have been at lylo when people started to wonder how you could possibly be alive. As long as you end the game before then literally 0% chance you are lynched.
Nobody would have wondered because I would have died and I was the obvious nightkill.
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On June 16 2015 08:42 Mig wrote:
Also the game is over, I am trying to be nice you dont have to keep being so ridiculously egotistical.
Of course it should have been possible to townread you since you were town but how townread HTS was literally has nothing to do with it. I did not make a bad case on you. You made a bad case on me. After your first attempt I even defended you for it.
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Had the game not ended today I wouldn't have lynched you because you were towny today and I was also correct about the townreading you for the doublelynch thing.
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On June 16 2015 08:46 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 08:44 prplhz wrote:On June 16 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:On June 16 2015 08:36 prplhz wrote:
night actions? I was wrong on the 2nd blue role. It was tracker. Jat was tracker. I was panicking about a DT....I'm an idiot. Thankfully I played well enough JAT would have never tracked me >_< yes but what was his night actions He was going to track you. I think we would have avoided it, as I would have probably delivered, and if he was nightkill, it was a moot point anyhow.
You were basically the only person I would never have tracked tonight.
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Of course you also had to be the only scum role.
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On June 16 2015 08:49 Half the Sky wrote:
Bugs/Mig, how long ago are you two from? I only started here Nov 2014.
Way longer. I only played one game with each of them respectively since I started playing.
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On June 16 2015 08:50 Mig wrote:
@JAT you just said if you are universally town read I should listen, except people just did that to HTS and it was wrong. I am not just going to blindly follow others is my point ( marv said slam and prplhz were both town as well). So even if we had listened to marv still would have lost terribly.
My point is not that universally townread automatically means confirmed town. My point is that if everyone was reading me town but not you then I probably was more towny than you. But we really do not need to argue about this.
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On June 16 2015 08:50 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 08:49 justanothertownie wrote:
Of course you also had to be the only scum role. It was useless in the grand scheme of things, especially with no DT.
No, it was not useless since I could have tracked the framer.
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On June 16 2015 08:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 08:52 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 08:50 Mig wrote:
@JAT you just said if you are universally town read I should listen, except people just did that to HTS and it was wrong. I am not just going to blindly follow others is my point ( marv said slam and prplhz were both town as well). So even if we had listened to marv still would have lost terribly.
My point is not that universally townread automatically means confirmed town. My point is that if everyone was reading me town but not you then I probably was more towny than you. But we really do not need to argue about this. No, this does not mean anything of the sort. This type of thinking is very dangerous and it is conducive to further games like this one. People are misread all the time for all sorts of reasons, it doesn't mean anything other than people are often wrong. Mig did not get lynched and there was no chance he'd get lynched despite some people not understanding how to read motivations correctly. There wasn't a single lynch this game (and yes, I include the day 1 lynch) that actually had good motivations behind it. Day 1 was a fluke and the other days weren't, but in each situation town was basically clueless.
If you think there was no chance he'd get lynched I think you did not read the game. But I will not argue about with you.
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On June 16 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 08:59 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 08:56 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 16 2015 08:52 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 08:50 Mig wrote:
@JAT you just said if you are universally town read I should listen, except people just did that to HTS and it was wrong. I am not just going to blindly follow others is my point ( marv said slam and prplhz were both town as well). So even if we had listened to marv still would have lost terribly.
My point is not that universally townread automatically means confirmed town. My point is that if everyone was reading me town but not you then I probably was more towny than you. But we really do not need to argue about this. No, this does not mean anything of the sort. This type of thinking is very dangerous and it is conducive to further games like this one. People are misread all the time for all sorts of reasons, it doesn't mean anything other than people are often wrong. Mig did not get lynched and there was no chance he'd get lynched despite some people not understanding how to read motivations correctly. There wasn't a single lynch this game (and yes, I include the day 1 lynch) that actually had good motivations behind it. Day 1 was a fluke and the other days weren't, but in each situation town was basically clueless. If you think there was no chance he'd get lynched I think you did not read the game. But I will not argue about with you. I don't think I'm wrong. Mig never had more than two votes aside from day 1 when he took 3 very early before he really did anything, one of which was from a scum player. Town was very off, but there were too many lurky players and in this type of game anyone who gives half an effort will survive. That's actually pretty much the crux of the problem. Town had so little useful discussion and every lynch generated nothing other than lots of people parroting each others' opinions. The day 1 lynch was little more than a bandwagon on yamato who rolled over and died because he failed in defending himself and his scummates weren't around or motivated enough to defend him either, day 2 was a pure bandwagon on Chezinu, day 3 a bandwagon on fuba...you see where I'm going with this. I understand you are not happy with the game but Mig is not the player you should be scrutinizing. Given the circumstances his play was fine.
Mig IS NOT the player I am scrutinizing. If you think that is the case then you misunderstand me. But the possibility of him being lynched was actually very real if you look at the reads of the townplayers today. Still I have no problem with Mig overall.
I have a problem with Artanis claiming for no reason and with Chez/Fubas/BFs/VAs play that made it ridiculously easy for mafia to win this game.
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You can play badly and most of the townplayers including me did this game. But you should at least try and those people didn't.
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On June 16 2015 09:13 Half the Sky wrote:
JAT, I won't speak for the others, but Boxerfred is new, this is his second game ever on TL and his first go at town, that. Let's be honest. I don't know about you, but I did nearly just as bad in my second game on TL...the only reason I was not lynched then was because I was a blue role.
Everyone has to start somewhere. That's all I'm saying.
He did nothing but martyr all game, taunt me and make up ridiculous nonsense. I never did shit like that no matter how new I was and I also never got mislynched.
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On June 16 2015 09:14 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:10 justanothertownie wrote:
But the possibility of him being lynched was actually very real if you look at the reads of the townplayers today. The only thing that matters is votes. You may have thought that about town sentiment but it's fairly clear no one even knew who was on which team. e: and I also have to disagree on BF's play. He played fine. I will agree that there was much to be desired from the likes of Fuba, FF, VA, Artanis, etc. However at no point did anyone explain why those players were scum other than their lack of activity giving way to them having bad reads. It's almost a given that people who don't participate will have bad reads regardless of alignment.
How do you explain why someone who does not post anything is scum? By that logic you could never lynch lurkers and I know that's not your general policy bugs.
And of course town sentiment matters a lot. If there had been a switch like there often is nowadays then mig was a very viable target.
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On June 16 2015 09:16 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
if you guys want more detailed analysis from me, let me know.
I don't particularly have much to say about the game as I think it was relatively simple. There is a lot to be learned in hindsight, and I think reading Half the Sky's and prplhz's posts from their perspectives can be useful if you want to learn a bit about how scum may want to play. Given that they were never under any serious threat I don't think it would be all that useful, but I do think that Half the Sky's posts from start to finish and prplhz's posts on day 1 are good examples of what to do to stay just under suspicion without attracting much attention or scrutiny. I know JAT spotted a weakness in my posts which I did catch on to and I knew I'd have to step it up in 3-2 lylo otherwise a good town player could corner me. But if you had any additional input for me I'd appreciate it. Only issue is that I know dick all how to play framer, not much better at blue sniping either, I assume you just frame the scummy lurkers just like a DT should check the scummy lurkers but of course everyone checks differently.... >_< I had zero clue JAT was tracker. Ugh, fail.
I am actually surprised noone got the idea that I am blue after I went hardcore against Artanis because of the cc.
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On June 16 2015 09:20 prplhz wrote:
can't really demand much more from a townie than that he keeps active and boxerfred did just that, no idea what the problem is.
lol
He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that.
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On June 16 2015 09:25 Mig wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:21 justanothertownie wrote:
lol
He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that. You and marv being so harsh on him I am sure effected his motivation to post. Can say in an ideal world everybody should fight to the end but I think for new players especially if they are just getting constantly beat on they are more inclined to just give up. I am not saying boxer is faultless but we as town should have fostered a better environment for him to want to contribute.
Not after how he treated me earlier - I was very lenient with him until he started taunting me for no fucking reason. And if you have another look at how marv and I pressured him we were actually pretty soft on him considering how much bullshit he spouted.
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On June 16 2015 09:26 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:21 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:20 prplhz wrote:
can't really demand much more from a townie than that he keeps active and boxerfred did just that, no idea what the problem is. lol He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that. he has 11 page filter and tons of text walls, he kept active and he had a lot of opinions on everything. boxerfred did enough that people should be able to read him town.
Yes, if you got a mafia role pm. Anyways, I am going to sleep. Thank god this game is over.
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On June 16 2015 09:34 NaCl`y wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:25 Mig wrote:On June 16 2015 09:21 justanothertownie wrote:
lol
He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that. You and marv being so harsh on him I am sure effected his motivation to post. Can say in an ideal world everybody should fight to the end but I think for new players especially if they are just getting constantly beat on they are more inclined to just give up. I am not saying boxer is faultless but we as town should have fostered a better environment for him to want to contribute. Not after how he treated me earlier - I was very lenient with him until he started taunting me for no fucking reason. And if you have another look at how marv and I pressured him we were actually pretty soft on him considering how much bullshit he spouted. Since he flipped town and the game is over then you can categorically say that from his own opinion, none of it was bull shit. Or at least, he had reason to believe some of the things he did. I mean this in no disrespect to yourself Justanothertownie but sometimes, even if you think otherwise, you can come off as incredibly brash and argumentative and it is not conducive to helping people feel good and divulging their opinions.
Yes, he was town. Doesn't make the bullshit any less bullshit.
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On June 16 2015 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:25 Mig wrote:On June 16 2015 09:21 justanothertownie wrote:
lol
He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that. You and marv being so harsh on him I am sure effected his motivation to post. Can say in an ideal world everybody should fight to the end but I think for new players especially if they are just getting constantly beat on they are more inclined to just give up. I am not saying boxer is faultless but we as town should have fostered a better environment for him to want to contribute. Not after how he treated me earlier - I was very lenient with him until he started taunting me for no fucking reason. And if you have another look at how marv and I pressured him we were actually pretty soft on him considering how much bullshit he spouted. him taunting you should have been an obvious town-tell how many new scum players do you think actually say some of the things boxer said this game? Some of his posts were walls of text, I can literally count the number of scum that do stuff like that on one hand and none of them play anymore.
There are players who do it and since he is new you cannot know he wouldn't. Very flawed logic. Walls of text are also in no world alignment indicative.
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Yes, I see scum players do it all the fucking time. And of course with the knowledge that he is town you can easily make a short case for that. We will have to agree to disagree here.
Good night.
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On June 16 2015 09:47 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:38 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:35 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 16 2015 09:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:25 Mig wrote:On June 16 2015 09:21 justanothertownie wrote:
lol
He did NOT keep active. He was #1 mislynch for days and basically did jackshit until right before deadline today. Yes, yes I can demand more than that. You and marv being so harsh on him I am sure effected his motivation to post. Can say in an ideal world everybody should fight to the end but I think for new players especially if they are just getting constantly beat on they are more inclined to just give up. I am not saying boxer is faultless but we as town should have fostered a better environment for him to want to contribute. Not after how he treated me earlier - I was very lenient with him until he started taunting me for no fucking reason. And if you have another look at how marv and I pressured him we were actually pretty soft on him considering how much bullshit he spouted. him taunting you should have been an obvious town-tell how many new scum players do you think actually say some of the things boxer said this game? Some of his posts were walls of text, I can literally count the number of scum that do stuff like that on one hand and none of them play anymore. There are players who do it and since he is new you cannot know he wouldn't. Very flawed logic. Walls of text are also in no world alignment indicative. I don't know what to say if you actually believe this, you seem to be so tunneled on this that I don't think you're thinking objectively on the matter. Scum very rarely put in the type of effort and specificity that boxer did this game. His play was fine, and IMO actually very good given his experience. I personally would love to have players like him in games that I play. For people like you and marv who misread him, the onus is on you to figure out why you read him wrong. He did more than enough to prove himself and I have already shown that to you. If you can't accept that then you should reevaluate the way you think about other players.
The onus is on him to not get fucking mislynched. Of course we should theoretically have been able to differentiate between awful townplay and scumplay but that does not mean that his play was any good.
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On June 16 2015 09:49 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 09:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Yes, I see scum players do it all the fucking time. And of course with the knowledge that he is town you can easily make a short case for that. We will have to agree to disagree here.
Good night. I don't understand what you want to hear. You were wrong. If you want to not be wrong in the future, don't blame your own faults on another player.
I don't want to hear anything. But you try to sell us that boxerfred played a good game when he quite clearly didn't. Of course we are all to blame for misreading him, that's not even in question. But the person who is the most responsible for a mislynch is ALWAYS the guy who gets mislynched.
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What about his play was awful? HMMMM maybe that none of his arguments made any fucking sense and he was constantly straight up making shit up, that he was antagonizing people for no reason, that he was martyring like a mofo and that he did not fight his mislynch until it was way too late.
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I need to stop concerning myself with this game.
If you read this boxerfred - just do not ever play like this again. You are new, shit happens. We learn from it and I will have forgotten about it in a few days. I have no problem with you in general. I am also way more dissapointed in a few seasoned players who did not bother to play this game than I am in you. You just made me rage the most.
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On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says.
I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree.
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On June 16 2015 10:01 prplhz wrote:
it just makes no sense to blame others for your read on them as long as they make an effort in good faith and he did just that. it doesn't make sense to tell people not to do what they did when they did their best as town. by definition they can't be any townier than that, they can't fake being townier than they naturally appear because that in itself is scummy.
They can be townier if they know what not to do. Like martyring for example.
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On June 16 2015 10:02 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree. pretty sure you misunderstood that then. it's your fault for getting mislynched and it's your fault for mislynching someone. it's always your own fault
No, I did not misunderstand that. The person who is mislynched is ALWAYS the one who is to blame the most. Sure, the voters are not free of guilt either but if you get mislynched day1 you are the worst player in the game.
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On June 16 2015 10:03 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree. Perhaps you should then ask why Palmar gets mislynched so often. This is not and has never been good advice. People get lynched all the time for all sorts of stupid reasons. In fact, every lynch in this game is a prime example of that. Yes, sometimes you can put a lot of the blame on the player who got mislynched but more often than not the majority of the voters didn't bother to read the victim properly. Also I find it funny that you don't even notice the irony in this statement. The attitude behind saying "I do not care if you disagree" is pretty much exactly the reason your read was wrong.
There is no irony because if I disagree with your statement has nothing to do with the read. And there is a reason that there are a few players who rarely if ever get mislynched. It's because they are good at the game.
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On June 16 2015 10:06 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:04 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 10:02 prplhz wrote:On June 16 2015 10:00 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 09:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
Again, that is not true.
The people responsible for a mislynch are the ones who voted. Period.
Yes, players have responsibilities to defend themselves, but some people (like you) will tunnel a lynch so hard it won't matter what anyone says. I generally do not tend to tunnel. And if you get mislynched - YOU are to blame. That's Palmar wisdom I completely agree with and I do not care if you disagree. pretty sure you misunderstood that then. it's your fault for getting mislynched and it's your fault for mislynching someone. it's always your own fault No, I did not misunderstand that. The person who is mislynched is ALWAYS the one who is to blame the most. Sure, the voters are not free of guilt either but if you get mislynched day1 you are the worst player in the game. who cares who is the worst player in the game? the point of it isn't to place blame, the point is that you should always look at yourself to get better.
Yes, I agree. And I never contested that in the slightest. Has nothing to do with what I said though. And now I am seriously gone.
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On June 16 2015 10:07 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:02 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 10:01 prplhz wrote:
it just makes no sense to blame others for your read on them as long as they make an effort in good faith and he did just that. it doesn't make sense to tell people not to do what they did when they did their best as town. by definition they can't be any townier than that, they can't fake being townier than they naturally appear because that in itself is scummy. They can be townier if they know what not to do. Like martyring for example. how is not martyring townier than martyring? like, if you look at this game, a townie martyred (boxerfred) and no scum martyred. wouldn't that indicate that martyring is actually a townie thing to do?
That makes no sense whatsoever.
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On June 16 2015 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
also I want to point out that shifting the blame on the person who got mislynched does nothing to further your chances at winning the game.
When someone gets lynched you need to go back and look at who contributed to getting that person lynched, because the person that got lynched NO LONGER HAS AN INFLUENCE ON THE GAME.
When you shift the blame to the person that just died you basically psychologically have just shot yourself in the foot because the people who voted that person now do not share that burden of blame. It may not be conscious but the rage response that occurs afterward is really dangerous because now you are gonna go in wondering why that player played poorly instead of asking the proper questions that'll actually get you further along in finding scum.
That has nothing to do with what I said at all. I am not saying I am not at fault for mislynching the guy.
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On June 16 2015 10:11 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:10 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 10:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
also I want to point out that shifting the blame on the person who got mislynched does nothing to further your chances at winning the game.
When someone gets lynched you need to go back and look at who contributed to getting that person lynched, because the person that got lynched NO LONGER HAS AN INFLUENCE ON THE GAME.
When you shift the blame to the person that just died you basically psychologically have just shot yourself in the foot because the people who voted that person now do not share that burden of blame. It may not be conscious but the rage response that occurs afterward is really dangerous because now you are gonna go in wondering why that player played poorly instead of asking the proper questions that'll actually get you further along in finding scum. That has nothing to do with what I said at all. I am not saying I am not at fault for mislynching the guy. you are 100% to blame for placing your vote on a town player who did everything he could to show you he was town.
This way the statement would be correct.
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On June 16 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:awwwww i missed the fireworks jaaaat what was that about improving my town game? + Show Spoiler +i love you really <3 play with meeeee?
You know that was a joke. I could have used some townplayers like you in this abomination of a game.
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And no, I probably won't play again anytime soon. Work in the lab starting next week and I am not willing to let people scumread me for being less active than I have been in during the last games.
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When did you take that picture? Are you stalking me?
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On June 16 2015 10:24 Holyflare wrote:
nah man bf was super towny this game you just wrong
Sure, if you say so it has to be true, right?
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On June 16 2015 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
normally yeh
i mean i read the game a bit and he was super up front about all of his shit and mafia just sat back for the most part
Yes, if town does not play then mafia can sit back. That's how this game works.
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On June 16 2015 10:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 10:28 justanothertownie wrote:On June 16 2015 10:27 Holyflare wrote:
normally yeh
i mean i read the game a bit and he was super up front about all of his shit and mafia just sat back for the most part Yes, if town does not play then mafia can sit back. That's how this game works. that's like... the opposite of what i said ya know?
Somewhat, but even if you think bf DID play during the day he was lynched (we will disagree there ya know?) that is still what happened this game.
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On June 16 2015 15:14 Alakaslam wrote:
JAT
You need to care less
JAT
Chill
It's fine. Care already reduced to a minimum. I just get annoyed easily when people outside the game start trying to tell you how easy the game was. I mean bugs and HF would of course not have mislynched boxer and won the game in my position ezpz.
@Boxer: sorry, for being rough on you but that is the price for joining a non newbie game without ever having played a towngame. I mean I respect that choice (I did the same when I was new) but you can't expect people to go easy on you because of that. You probably learned your lessons. No hard feelings.
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I also apologize to town for my performance this game - this was easily one of the worst games I ever played for multiple reasons and I am fully aware of that. I am not talking about myself being a dick btw. I might have gone slightly overboard but I still feel that there was no situation where it wasn't justified.
Not that any townplayer really played a good game knowing who was scum - we just got owned pretty hard.
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On June 17 2015 22:07 marvellosity wrote:
well i got this one spectacularly wrong.
woops.
Yes, we all did.
Godly slam read you got there ^^
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