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Having played DOTA for a while I actually don't mind HOTS that much and play both with my friends. Still mainly DOTA but i find HOTS different enough that I don't compare it to dota that much.It is definetly good for when tensions are high after a shitty game. | ||
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On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote: refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? | ||
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On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote: So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now? not really. Do you? On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote: I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that. Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying | ||
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On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote: I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null. When you say you dislike the pressure what do you mean? Do you think it is scummy? Not furthering the game? Could you expand on this? | ||
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On June 08 2015 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: No it isn't. Read what I said again. The player does not necessarily have to reveal themselves. They just have to prove they can contribute. Asking that of scum will result in one or more of a.) More questions, b.) Nothing, c.) A bunch of filler nonsense, or d.) A response that takes a lot of effort. Asking a townie will often give us something useful. It may be the actual behaviour in the response itself (and so far actually his response has been a bit useful to me in getting a read on him) and it may be the subsequent posts as we get reads/thoughts on the game/thought process from the player. a.), b.) and c.) are all great, those types of responses would warrant more votes. d.) almost never happens because scum on this forum suck. But if it did, it would take a good amount of time for it to come out and it would probably be incredibly underwhelming from a scum. What?? Mafia are always hunting roles. I also don't understand, is this supposed to be separate from the previous part of the post? Are you saying that the people who are voted to get roles choose investigative ones? It is literally impossible for them to hunt roles at the moment. Also yes that is what I am saying. I know a lot of people would be tempted to choose a vest but if we get three vests then it is a waste. What great response are you espexting from the smurf at this stage though? It feels like only A, B and C are the possible reactions at this stage I dont see how town or scum would give D | ||
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On June 08 2015 08:56 LightningStrike wrote: I seems preplanned so it's null on that part but it did generate discussion although it's early in the game and not much going on outside the FreezingFoot stuff. I mean sure I would like to know his aka to do a meta read later on but the reason for people to smurf is they want to hide their identity so we can't use meta on them. I don't get why this makes you dislike the pressure though. This makes me like the pressure | ||
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On June 08 2015 09:53 FreezingFoot wrote: Dude, you are scum reading me for something that makes no one scum. I want to understand your thought process before forming a solid read on you. I am NOT answering a question YOU were supposed to clarify. I believe he is scumming you because you think someone is scum yet you arn't voting them. | ||
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On June 08 2015 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote: No you don't, because you repeatedly have shown an inability to read what I am saying. I have said twice now that a smurf DOES NOT HAVE TO REVEAL THEMSELVES to satisfy my line of questioning. I simply want more out of this particular player. The responses I have received so far have been relatively lukewarm at best. However, I'm going to step it up a bit further. So did I, you just failed to read where I said it. Twice. Now three times, actually, and if you count this now, four. Nope. You're not reading. Keep this up and I'm going to just ignore you. Nope. I am saying you do not understand because, well...you don't. Let me clarify for you what has happened so far, and what is now worth discussing. He doesn't like my opening. Sign #1 he doesn't like me. Cool. Let's skip over his direct response to my vote, because it was useless. Third post following my vote: What I exhibited is a "scum behaviour" according to Freezingfoot. He didn't like my original post, and he thinks I am not trying to build original reads. He claims I don't care about his alignment. Fourth post: Implicitly calling my approach scum approach. But not directly doing it. If Freezingfoot thinks my approach is so scummy, in four straight posts.... Why doesn't he vote me? If he tries to get me killed directly that would be one thing, but he's just weakly throwing back mud at me. Did you not see this post freezingfoot? | ||
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On June 08 2015 10:21 FreezingFoot wrote: I saw it What about it? See, this is what I'm looking at when I see bugs post: Who is scum? FreezingFoot Why he could be scum? Because he is not revealing his identity when he is getting voted. Why not revealing his identity when up to the lynch is a mafia behaviour? (silence) That isn't the only reason he is calling you scum though that's why im pointing out that post. | ||
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On June 08 2015 11:28 Kickstart wrote: Breshke plz explain. You've posited and answered questions but you've not explained this vote imo. I liked this post. On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote: you apparently don't understand. It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town. So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game. I also further disliked freezingfoot trying to make it seem like WBG was purely pushing him because he was a smurf so I was happy with where my vote is. | ||
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On June 08 2015 09:53 FreezingFoot wrote: Dude, you are scum reading me for something that makes no one scum. I want to understand your thought process before forming a solid read on you. I am NOT answering a question YOU were supposed to clarify. Yet he completely ignored WBG case which had nothing to do with him being a smurf. I don't see this as him trying to understand the thought process of the case against him. He just keeps focusing on the smurf thing. I agreed with you to begin with that WBG reasoning was wrong if you look at my ealier posts but then I was just like fuck it who cares nothing else is happening lets pressure this guy. Foot proceeds to do basically nothing and ignores what people say other than the smurf thing. Neither is it a lose lose situation for him. There is still more than 3/4 of the day left foot has plenty of time to be townie if he is town. I also don't get why you seem to think that the only thing against foot is that he is a smurf when that isn't the case. | ||
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On June 08 2015 13:29 Kickstart wrote: What is most concerning to me at the moment in this situation is that bugs seems genuinely concerned, but Breshke's vote is just piggybacking off of everything bugs is saying. This irks me because when asked to explain Breshke just quotes bugs again. I specifically asked for the vote with no explanation in the post to be explained and all I got was a quote from what someone else had said. Quite a convenient way to later say that "Oh I just thought that Bugses case was good thats why I voted, clearly since bugs pushed it though bugs is more likely to be scum than me who just thought the point was good". Especially since the only real reason to have a vote parked on foot at the moment is for pressure, but if your intent was to pressure you wouldn't just echo everything another player has said without asking the person you are trying to pressure any questions. Seems quite scummy to me, and since I asked for an explanation but didn't get a satisfactory one in my opinion: ##Unvote ##Vote Breshke Yeah because it is really realistic to think that I as scum would think voting for someone giving no reasoning would make me look better than the person who spearheads the lynch. I'm bad but i'm not retarded. Your right i didn't really help much at all with the pressure no denying that. + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2015 13:22 FreezingFoot wrote: No. I wanted him to explain why not telling my identity when being voted is a scum behaviour. I've pointed it out repeatedly so he could reveal his thought process. After inquiring three times, bugs just calls me scum and asks me to explain something HE is supposed to explain. You know why? Because he has no thought process. He simply went behind a policy lynch and tried to justify it by saying that not revealing my identity while being up to the lynch is scummy, something YOU should KNOW by now that his is the most nonsensical conclusion to it. You aren't a newbie anymore and you know that a method of scum hunting is to see who is trying more to survive than to catch scum. If you have a player that will only survive if he reveals his identity, a scum will be much more eager to blow his smurf than keeping his identity a secret. I just kept not voting and not defending myself to see how bugs thought process would be in the thread and to see how his thought process would develop. I just showed all of you he has no thought process (in other words, his read is fabricated) when he failed to explain WHY not blowing my smurf would be scim behaviour. His other argument is that I scumread him but I do not place a vote in him. This isn't alignment indicative, specially in the beginning of the game. I did not approached him more aggressively because of what I've already said I was trying to manage. In the other hand, he clearly identifies aggressiveness as town trait and does approach me very aggressive. He is self aware that aggressiveness is a town trait. But how his aggressiveness works? He isn't trying to analyse my alignment. He is just throwing suspicions at me and calling me scum for everything I say, or ridicule my inquiries on him. Which means his aggressiveness is not someone trying to have a read on a player, or to push a player to gather information. His aggressiveness is an attempt to look townie, especially when he believes this is a town trait. Your vote isn't well placed. It is opportunistic. See I really like this now though. Let me explain how I saw bugs play. Pressure this guy because he is a smurf for funsies and to get the thread going. Justify the reasoning with something really shallow that doesn't really make sense Oh wait this guy is actually doing something scummy now it is a legit push. I dont think not revealing who you are even if you are about to die is scummy let me make that clear. Just because people can meta you doesn't mean they should totally flop a read on you if they are already voting you coming to EoD. I don't think a meta read should be able to change a read like that. However I did have a problem with you apparently ignoring everything else he was saying and just focusing on the smurf thing but I understand now why you did this and it was on purpose and not intended to make WBG look bad by focusing on something that is not alignment indicative. As for the last paragraph I don't think that makes WBG scummy because as i said before it came off to me that you were purposely focusing on the smurf thing so I can't blame him for having the same reaction and dismissing what you were saying. ##Unvote | ||
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On June 08 2015 16:16 wherebugsgo wrote: I have like 5 people right now on my list I would consider nearly 100% town anyone else agree with me? Who? I have like 1 maybe 2. I really like kickstart, don't know if that needs explaining and also think i like tube his read on me seems really genuine and is just looking at my early play in a really good light which makes me think he is town. Onegu leaving after smurf speculation is kind of underwhelming and I want to hear more opinions from LS. WBG, I understand there is benifits of the "im going to treat you like a dick" play style but foot actually started providing stuff so I don't really get the "you're bad" post but they always feel awkward to me because if you are calling him bad does that mean you think he is town? IDK | ||
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no you ain't I remember that one game you scumread koshi which was the main reason i scumread koshi and then shot him, i think it was horn of africa or something. got anything ya wanna talk about? | ||
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On June 09 2015 11:29 Bill Murray wrote: ad hominem is, as is misrepresentation, flailing, scumandeering/the way he is spotlighting this game, and my meta on him he is much nicer as town, so while you may say "this is a policy lynch, BM", it isn't just a policy lynch he is very likely scum how long ago did you last play with him? How do you know his playstyle hasn't changed? In this game he is playing with a lot of unfamiliar faces so while its shit i can see the way WBG coming from a town who actually thinks most of us are bad compared to when you used to play with him and maybe he knew the abilities of people he played with and respected them more hence he was nicer. I'm not going to dig up old games to work this out because im lazy but these are a few things I think you have tot ake into account for your meta read. From my read of the thread the only thing that actually gave me pause to think WBG was mafia was Foots point about him acting aggro because he thought that was a town trait but the aggroness wasn't really pushing anything. I can see how this would make foot think WBG is amfia but it doesn't make me think that since I agree with (i think it was) bats that WBG wouldnt be consistently putting in this effort especially constantly getting aggro and calling half the game shitters if he was scum. However WBG I don't think it is constructive saying you are going to ignore half the players nor should you replace out because ceebs dealing with that also would rather use a replacement if like the shining needs it or something. LS is really confusing me I can see him as both alignments. I wanted to ping him out earlier and kind of did but no one was really around. LS could you flesh out your meta read on WBG since it differs from BM's i'd like to see why. From my point of view bill's push is meh but for some reason it makes me think he is town. I like yamatos post because he doesn't feel bad about giving reasons WBG is scummy then calling him town at the end I really wouldn't be sad lynching a lurker today even if it hits town. I'm town reading a lot of people which is a problem I have a lot but it is what it is. | ||
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On June 09 2015 12:05 Bill Murray wrote: If you look into the wording WBG is using it's as if "useful" to him is who will push forth his agenda If you're not buddying him, and especially those who are voting him, are getting negative points from him/he's flinging shit/flailing at them He is a part of a generation of players that were run off from here; he is a condescending player, especially as scum this is his scum game 110% Could you give me an example of the bolded, I don't see it. Also this is my point you say he is a condescending player so why is this scum condescending and not town condescending. | ||
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On June 09 2015 12:12 Bill Murray wrote: from my experience with WBG he tends to lurk a lot more as town, and will pop up to be helpful. He isn't condescending in the least. This is sheer flailing and something that I haven't seen from him before. He's saying I don't see how he acts as scum.. well him acting like a crybaby is new to me, so that must be his scum meta my case on him is more deductive reasoning and seeing if something would stick than anything. Granted, a page ago, when he posted what he did, it has me kind of wanting to come off my vote... but the feeling that he is likely scum is just too much. I don't want to let someone like this get away with this. He can act condescending all he wants, and say "when have you ever caught me as scum", but this guy never roles scum here for me to have a meta on. TL;DR I know his town meta; and this isn't it Okay so what do you think about LS reading his past games and coming to the opposite conclusion to you? I get you said he is misguided town but I don't see why this hasn't been discussed between you two yet. I actually agree with a lot of WBG reads and still don't reall see the problem with the wording but that isn't really something I pick up on. So if you want to handhold me through it that would be great. | ||
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On June 09 2015 12:18 Kickstart wrote: Yeh the spreadsheet is alright but paying attention to his top town reads and top scum reads I don't really agree. Mainly he has 99% towned people that I don't particularly agree with, but he does have a tendency to just go "95% sure they are town" :/, at least he has in this game. Can you say who specifically you disagree with? | ||
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On June 09 2015 13:42 Tubesock wrote: ##Vote: wherebugsgo 1. Chezinu rules. I worship the brown. LightningStrike basically same rule. 2. Flat wrong on the smurf issue and continues to bring it up. Town points to the person who understands the massive town advantage to having FreezingFoot be someone like townHolyflare. Bugs is NK1 hunting. Why would he ask who he should suck up to and who sucks? 3. Pretty often tunnelled towns help dig their own grave. If can't out him, easy mlynch. 4. After a couple people town Foot (sorry reading FF makes me think of Fecalfeast) he posts "oooh look I have 5 townreads! I'm just like YOU GUYS!" 5. Bill Mother Fucking Murray. 1. Can you tell me why LS is town 2. Why wouldnt he ask his partners in the mafia QT instead of the thread 3. I don't understand who is the tunneled town 4. the FF thing is totally happening with me aswell i vote we call him foot. He has backed up his reads though do any of the seem fake to you? | ||
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On June 09 2015 12:01 Breshke wrote: ##Vote Onegu You said yourself you didn't claim VT Me too then | ||
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On June 09 2015 13:54 Tubesock wrote: I don't know if LS is town or not. No real idea. I wasn't playing but I read his last couple games while they were playing and I feel he's much more obvious D2/3. 2. I don't really understand your comment. His scummates won't know anybetter than him? 3. FreezingFoot was the tunneled town, but he didn't play into it. He responded really well. And Bugs switched to LS as soon as he saw it wasn't going to gain traction. 4. I think Foot is town. 1. Okay so you say WBG is mafia because he is going after the low hanging fruit that is LS. But that only applies if LS is town. So if you don't think LS is town I don't think you can make this read. 2. You say he is nightkill hunting by asking who is good and who isnt im asking why would he ask this in the thread instead of the mafia QT. 3.Oh by "tunneled" you mean someone who is being tunneled on. Okay this still doesn't make me think bugs is mafia. 4. Did you see his link to his reads page. He actually thinks foot is town as well. | ||
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On June 09 2015 13:59 FreezingFoot wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote:Shockey I've being extremely busy today. Just got home. Did a quick skim in the thread. I've read bugs spread sheet and his reads felt genuine (with the exception of Breshke), reevaluating most of them accordingly to thread progression + I'm not willing to lynch the biggest filter day1 + him being upset with lack of activity feels true (I don't think scum would fuck off like he did when he is the main wagon). He may still be scum but this is enough to let him live another day. We already have a lot of information from him and we can deal with him later, if that is the case. I prefer to have him around day2 than any other scummy person who has few to almost no post at all. I agree about his read on me. Feels lazy to me and he is just reading me town because I agreed with him early. I liked most of his other reads though and I know im town so I didn't care that much. Agree with the rest. | ||
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On June 09 2015 14:16 Tubesock wrote: 1. I don't think he's mafia either though? And Chezinu literally did this in his champions game against his mafia mate. 2. I don't mean he's nightkill hunting by asking what people think would be the best town. I think it's what's on his mind. His push on Foot has three benefits to him if he is mafia. 1. it makes him appear town (pushing thread/conversation, and getting information), if he drives hard into someone often time these people fold and look scummy for a mlynch, outs the smurf he can decide with more accurate information who to kill AND this will likely generate more jubjubing from town deciding if the smurf lied or not. He sees the push on Foot doesn't have traction and people are towning him, so he posts "oh I have 5 town reads! this was totes productive! I'm so TOWN!" Then knows that he can't just kill a lurker, he goes after LS who is well LS. I don't know how you guys write notes, but uh I don't use sentences I use code words to remind me. Otherwise I would run out. He made it all pretty and nice to read for us. bleh Also, I don't like martyrs. I don't see myself agreeing with you about 1. I get where you are coming from but I don't think it makes WBG mafia because he didn't just settle on LS he actually did some meta diving. Two is like the same thing. How would a town act in this situation instead. Like what is the difference between a town pressuring early for info and a scum pressuring early to secure a misslynch? Also when WBG flipped his read on foot was around the time I did aswell so i can understand why it happened. Im going to stop defending him now though because he can be a big boy and come back to the thread and do it himself. Can you look at LS's posts for me and try make a read on him. Do you agree that his posts feel kind of forced when he isn't answering peoples questions. Also out of Onegu/shockey who would you rather lynch or is it the same. (last two questions can be answered by anyone) | ||
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On June 09 2015 14:53 FreezingFoot wrote: Onegu is much more a coin flip than anything. He should definetely not be lynched today. I think LS is the same. He always is this passive regardless of alignment why is shockey not a coin flip as well then? Is he not new? | ||
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On June 09 2015 15:00 Kickstart wrote: yeh setup says 1 priest 2 witchhunters (each is 1 shot silver bullet). sad times read wrong bit soz and thanks On June 09 2015 14:59 FreezingFoot wrote: Because Onegu and LS just had non-alignment indicative behaviour regarding their meta, but Shockey's two posts' inconsistencies fits much more a mafia mindset How about now that you realize it is majority. Does that change this much at all? | ||
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On June 09 2015 15:35 Tubesock wrote: So, what are we doing here? Lynching the lurkiest? yeah, kinda more like the scummiest lurkiest. I still want to hear LS's meta read on bugs and why him and bm have come to opposite conclusions. I'm not really feeling that strong about anyone being scum so I was thinking I wouldn't feel terrible about a no lynch because it means we either get 3 blues again next phase or scum have to try use at least one of their vigi shots during the night if they want to stop that. 2 if they miss the first one. However because there is numerous people lurking I feel like this wouldn't realty work. Plus town needs to kill people to win. | ||
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On June 09 2015 21:53 batsnacks wrote: Can we not lynch bugs btw? BM's push is compelling and all but mafia is rarely the person making the first push on someone (bugs pushing foots, LS). I think it's more likely that bugs is just excited/rusty town. He even took it all personal when people didn't validate his effort. I don't think bugs is getting lynched. Yeah he has leading votes but i don't see like 4 or whatever number it is more people voting him unless all the lurkers suddenly decide too. Why shockey over stutters or onegu? Foots points? | ||
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I'd rather lych LS over anyone else I think the point that he put his vote on yamato or whenever he placed a majority of his votes then did nothing to try to further work out that persons alignment is scummy and something LS specifically does as scum. Not sure why foot is so against lyching him to be honest. Same with bats to a degree ##unvote ##vote lightningstrike | ||
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On June 10 2015 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote: oh god I'm nervous This comes off as really fake | ||
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Bats thing about BM the diet case is something that would make me vote on him but I also don't think that town LS just afks through a lynch like this when he is always trying to improve his game post game by asking for advice. | ||
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Unless we wanna try kill other witch hunter before he shoots but yeah Well done shame about the modkill | ||
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If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest | ||
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On June 10 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote: what? It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest. I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot. I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info | ||
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BM can you explain why you switched off of LS or direct me to a post where you explained it | ||
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How did you fuck up and why did it make you switch your vote? | ||
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On June 10 2015 16:35 Tubesock wrote: We have such a showman. It's the little touches I really enjoy. Like his so pretty google doc he made for "us". "w/e fuck it let's not get paranoid" is my favorite part. I particularly like it since I need to be reminded that Bugs is also displaying a towny trait! This entire doc is such a blessing to town. So helpful. Only a towny would be that helpful. Damn near every one of his entries is a display to make him look more towny. Since none of you would answer my request to point out why it is beneficial to town for Foot to not out. I can explain it for you lazy sheep. First, I think it is important to acknowledge that the players in this game are largely unfamiliar with each other. This can make the night one kill choice more difficult than if the majority of players know each other. I'm sure sensai Bugs will say that "No, mafia ALWAYS WITHOUT EXCEPTION kill the town who is the closest to being right". Uh yeah no sometimes town doesn't really have any idea, so mafia kill the ones they fear. Not all the time but often. There are various scenarios concerning the smurf and I won't come close to seeing them all. But take for instance a player like Holyflare or his caliber. A player who is both good at town and scum. There are players on this forum that are constantly killed night one. If they survive till Day 3 then they get lynched because no one can read them and if they survive they are obviously mafia. They die because mafia KNOWS they will figure out the game. So, Holyflare wants to actually play a game and go past night 1 or 2. You will never be able to convince me that 1) the chances of NKing HF would be the same and 2) that it would not benefit town IMMENSELY to have HF live for a few more days. HF just singlehandedly won a game in 5-3 mylo very recently because mafia didn't kill him for some reason. How the fuck can you say him staying hidden doesn't benefit town? So let's say he outs. Now, mafia has more information to judge their night kill on. Town will also just as likely argue about the outs authenticity. That benefits mafia again, no one is scumhunting. Town has to figure out the players alignment no matter if they out or not. But it gives mafia more information. It benefits mafia more than it benefits town. What if HF is scum? Sure, he outs and then we lynch him D3/4 because there is no way HF should be alive that long. So in that respect it benefits mafia for him to remain a smurf. That also requires him to tell the truth. So, HF who consistently is lynched for surviving too long is going to out himself truthfully? That seems like a dumb idea. Anyway, Bugs never considered more than just the one angle because his motive is to appear towny, not to solve the game. Bugs doesn't know hardly anyone in this game. Assuming new players don't smurf I think he's hoping he knows the player. Then he can make a better NK assessment. I really don't like this. Why are you still talking about the smurf thing no one cares about it anymore It also seems absurd that you just say he writes stuff to see townie yet don't show exactly where. Like explain WHY what he wrote is only posting to seem town and not because he is actual town. Being wrong isn't a scum tell but saying someone who voted and pushed mafia isn't trying to solve the game while you voted on a policy lynch seems dumb. | ||
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On June 10 2015 16:43 Tubesock wrote: Questions to towns: Do you agree that LS would say that in QT at the beginning of the game? I think he would say that right away. Or something similar. If you were his partner, would you bus him? I would absolutely. I wouldn't do it straight out the gate but early enough so I can take credit. I'm pretty sure there were two games very recently that had mafia bussing each other D1 on this forum. It happens and it's a fucking smart play when you know your mate is going to be lynched D2 or 3 anyway. It could have been Onegu who actually first scummed LS I don't remember but it's obvious Bugs is taking credit for it and pushing how mafia would NEVER bus day 1 like that. NEVER. How many of you would? Maybe Bugs is town and he really wouldn't. It's possible. I think reality is that he is mafia and is doing a little magic trick for us. Even if LS didn't want to play I think his partners tell him to at least try D1 so they can use his KP. If he refused this then he is a dick and shouldn't have sighed up and I don't think LS would do that. | ||
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On June 10 2015 16:47 Tubesock wrote: I'm willing to take the 7/8 odds that I am not miller. Cop and priest check me tonight. If I don't turn up green on both lynch me. Simple. Almost every single one of you sheep think I am scum. So what's to lose? I promise to still contribute what I think on non Bugs players even since you all seem to think he's so town. or we could not do this. Can you tell me about some other players now? | ||
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Anyone On June 10 2015 17:06 Tubesock wrote: I think the smurf thing was a show to look towny. He continues to push it. I'm saying he isn't looking at more than one angle of his argument because he isn't motivated to find the truth, he's motivated to look towny. Can you show me where he has activly pushed the smurf thing recently. On June 10 2015 17:11 Tubesock wrote: That's very possible. But what if you have 2 mafia players who feel comfortable projecting town and can likely get and win votes? Sure, having that blue snipe ability is nice, but I think it pays off to bus a mate who will die in a day or two anyway. If I were mafia I would bus LS just like Bugs did. At least try to anyway. Then those two mafia members project town. Make the lynch not on LS use his blue snipe and then do whatever they want. | ||
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On June 10 2015 17:38 Tubesock wrote: From page 9 of his filter. Just prior to his post to me and after you and him talked blue powers. Ehh, he is doing other stuff aswell though and he isn't saying your scum if you don't out its more like tell me who you are so i can try read you better. Which to me comes across as trying to solve the game which is the opposite of what you seem to think. I have foot narrowed down to 4 people probably two that are much more likely. I'm smurfhunting more than scumhunting oops | ||
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On June 11 2015 11:12 yamato77 wrote: breshke do you have objections to a BM lynch or are you just convinced that tube is more mafia? think tube is more mafia. | ||
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It would be cool if people answer it might not even help but just my own curiosity | ||
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I know this is something you attribute to townie behavior from your coaching of me and I agree that it is townie. But when you look at what he was actually pushing I don't think it was very constructive at all. Even if he thinks bugs is mafia shouldn't there be at least some doubt in his mind? I don't see how he can be scum reading bugs so hard so it makes his lack of doubt in his read even weirder. Also can people go back and read tube's "cheznu rule" thing he had about LS which initally made him vote bugs. At the time it felt very awkward to me because he neither townread nor scumread LS yet called him low hanging fruit and that bugs was mafia for pushing on him (i assume this is the correct interpretation of the cheznu rule). The read just seems so out of place because i still don't uncerstand how you call someone low hanging fruit (which to me basically means an easy misslynch) when you don't have a read on them. It all jsut seemed a really contrived way to try deflect off of LS. | ||
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On June 11 2015 12:23 Tubesock wrote: You would have to do more work to understand that the Chezinu rule doesn't require any read on Chezinu or in this case LS. Further, it's not particularly you obviously have no idea what my points are. You are hung up on you think Bugs is town so whatever I say is weird and thus scummy. It is laughable that someone towns me for try hard night posting. This is something I can do just as easily as mafia or town. yeah i know thats why i asked about other stuff but I didn't have something specific to ask about so they didn't really work out. He towns you not for the posts but because he doesn't see why you would do it as scum. He isn't saying you couldn't do it as scum more like WHY would you do it as scum. | ||
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Let's assume you are right and bugs is scum. Do you think their third partner would also vote LS or not? | ||
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On June 11 2015 12:58 Tubesock wrote: Yes I think BM is totes town. Why wouldn't the 3rd vote LS? I think the 3rd did. I don't think any of the non-LS voters were mafia. So...what's the question really? I'm not trying to sound like an ass but just making sure you know it is majority lynch? | ||
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On June 11 2015 13:13 Tubesock wrote: Clearly, I'm not really understanding your question haha. You asked if I thought the 3rd mafia player would vote LS. That the 3rd would also bus him. I think 3rd did. I think the 3 people (aside from LS) are town...I feel like I'm saying "YES" and you are reading kanji or something. Okay so this game has majority voting instead of plurality which is normally used on this forum. That means there HAS to be a majority of alive people (yesterday it was 7) voting on a wagon for it to be through otherwise a no lynch occurs. This is why I ask if you realise it was majority voting because you say the two other mafia voted for LS which means they chose not to vote for the other wagons which in your world are both town. They didn't even have to lynch one of these other wagons they could have just got a no lynch. | ||
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On June 11 2015 13:32 Tubesock wrote: I understand it's a majority lynch and how that works. So scenarios. The scum can either try to save a basically saveless LS (meaning later in the game) and later respond to heat for saving LS D1, they can just bus him and avoid suspicion altogether and possibly gain some town cred, or go for the no lynch and then receive heat for it. I don't think the resultant town chaos would be worth it. That situation I think the smartest move is to be on LS. Course it's possible they weren't but I think that the decision to bus was made well in advance. I don't see how you can say LS was saveless when you didn't think he was mafia. I feel like you believe what you are saying but none of it makes any sense.. | ||
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On June 11 2015 13:47 Tubesock wrote: So, you think that mafiaLS isn't obvious mafia on D3? You think he can maintain his level of posting over the course of a couple days? I do not. The longer LS is alive the more and more scummy he appears to everyone. He maintains his town posting. Do you not agree with that? The longer he is alive as mafia this drastically lowers any towncred a bus offers. He doesn't need to survive till D3 he needs to survive ONE day phase. He uses his bullet then they don't care. Keeping his vigi shot is important. Right now even if they hit with their other one (if they havnt already missed) they don't make us lsoe a lynch they just make us not able to gain a lynch through a roleblock save vest or whatever. If they had LS shot they would have 2 extra KP which if both hit would give us one less misslynch. | ||
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The game where tube played scum iirc he started pushing this paranoid world at the end but that was because his team was far ahead so therefore they had the space to do it. I don't know if he does that with a D1 scum lynch. | ||
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I voted for tube (lol) bats and WBG last night | ||
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Two of those players plus another two players vote for player A in their one slot witchcraft vote. Then put player C as their second vote these guys vote first so player A reaches 4 votes first Then the remaining two scumspects plus the remaining three players vote player B in their one slot plus player C in their two slot. So player A has 4 and B has 5 if scum is on A then b gets elected if scum is on B then A gets elected cos they got 4 first. Both PRs can then blaspheme into this group and even if one does we probably win the game tomorrow. Does this make sense it's 7 am for me so it might not | ||
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I think it's a good plan and should be followed | ||
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On June 12 2015 11:19 wherebugsgo wrote: no, I didn't live because of the prot unless one of the claimers is lying you have to explain how KS died if the JK saved me. I had to have eaten the WH shot, and kickstart probably ate the normal shot. This makes the most sense because scum probably knew I was going to be protted. What if KS ate the witchhunter shot and you got saved from the normal shot. Noone has claimed the third pr it was most like KS. This means foot is basically confirmed town as well. | ||
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Bats does blaspheme and if they kill him we dont egt his info but we know it isnt bats Im fairly sure this is the best solution, there is no point in them checking the same person. | ||
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Who didn't follow the voting plan by the way? That could have gone really bad. | ||
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