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Are you notified that you were role blocked even if you are not using a power?
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Having played DOTA for a while I actually don't mind HOTS that much and play both with my friends. Still mainly DOTA but i find HOTS different enough that I don't compare it to dota that much.It is definetly good for when tensions are high after a shitty game.
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On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia.
So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?
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On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now?
not really. Do you?
On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:Hi On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.
Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that.
Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying
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On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now? not really. Do you? On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:Hi On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that. Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null.
When you say you dislike the pressure what do you mean? Do you think it is scummy? Not furthering the game? Could you expand on this?
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On June 08 2015 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now? not really. Do you? On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:Hi On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that. No it isn't. Read what I said again. The player does not necessarily have to reveal themselves. They just have to prove they can contribute. Asking that of scum will result in one or more of a.) More questions, b.) Nothing, c.) A bunch of filler nonsense, or d.) A response that takes a lot of effort. Asking a townie will often give us something useful. It may be the actual behaviour in the response itself (and so far actually his response has been a bit useful to me in getting a read on him) and it may be the subsequent posts as we get reads/thoughts on the game/thought process from the player. a.), b.) and c.) are all great, those types of responses would warrant more votes. d.) almost never happens because scum on this forum suck. But if it did, it would take a good amount of time for it to come out and it would probably be incredibly underwhelming from a scum. Show nested quote +
Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying
What?? Mafia are always hunting roles.
I also don't understand, is this supposed to be separate from the previous part of the post? Are you saying that the people who are voted to get roles choose investigative ones?
It is literally impossible for them to hunt roles at the moment.
Also yes that is what I am saying. I know a lot of people would be tempted to choose a vest but if we get three vests then it is a waste.
What great response are you espexting from the smurf at this stage though? It feels like only A, B and C are the possible reactions at this stage I dont see how town or scum would give D
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On June 08 2015 08:56 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 08:51 Breshke wrote:On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now? not really. Do you? On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:Hi On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then? I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town. Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory. It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour. You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing. Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that. Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null. When you say you dislike the pressure what do you mean? Do you think it is scummy? Not furthering the game? Could you expand on this? I seems preplanned so it's null on that part but it did generate discussion although it's early in the game and not much going on outside the FreezingFoot stuff. I mean sure I would like to know his aka to do a meta read later on but the reason for people to smurf is they want to hide their identity so we can't use meta on them.
I don't get why this makes you dislike the pressure though. This makes me like the pressure
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On June 08 2015 09:53 FreezingFoot wrote:
Dude, you are scum reading me for something that makes no one scum. I want to understand your thought process before forming a solid read on you. I am NOT answering a question YOU were supposed to clarify.
I believe he is scumming you because you think someone is scum yet you arn't voting them.
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On June 08 2015 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 08:56 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question. you apparently don't understand. It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town. So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game. I understand perfectly fine. No you don't, because you repeatedly have shown an inability to read what I am saying. I have said twice now that a smurf DOES NOT HAVE TO REVEAL THEMSELVES to satisfy my line of questioning. I simply want more out of this particular player. The responses I have received so far have been relatively lukewarm at best. However, I'm going to step it up a bit further. Show nested quote +
I agree with your general premise but not your methodology. I have already said the important question in regards to our mystery man is whether he will use his identity to impart wisdom and knowledge or to sow confusion.
So did I, you just failed to read where I said it. Twice. Now three times, actually, and if you count this now, four. Show nested quote +
You seem to miss the point that had he been interested in revealing his identity he would have done so. This goes back to my earlier question to you: Do you ask him to reveal his identity so that when he refuses you can accuse him? Why would a member of the coven do such a thing when they already know that the outcome will be that he does not revel himself.
Nope. You're not reading. Keep this up and I'm going to just ignore you. Show nested quote +
Your argument so far has been that his withholding his identity is suspicious and his posting style thus far is suspicious. But if we do not know his identity how can we judge his posting style as indicative of anything?
All that said, our mystery man does need to choose his path. He either gives us wisdom and clarity or he sows confusion, and his fate is decided by which course of action he chooses to take.
Nope. I am saying you do not understand because, well...you don't. Let me clarify for you what has happened so far, and what is now worth discussing. Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 08:21 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller
also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great Btw I don't like this opening. Sounds like a guy trying too hard do say "oh I'm town /sob", and asking people for names to work with. He doesn't like my opening. Sign #1 he doesn't like me. Cool. Let's skip over his direct response to my vote, because it was useless. Third post following my vote: Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity. Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom. Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X? What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler? How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong. It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment. What I exhibited is a "scum behaviour" according to Freezingfoot. He didn't like my original post, and he thinks I am not trying to build original reads. He claims I don't care about his alignment. Fourth post: Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 09:00 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 08 2015 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity. Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom. Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X? What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler? How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong. It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment. So it's a scum behaviour to question nothing...at the beginning of day 1, when by definition there is nothing to question. Where do you come up with this logic? Tell us who you are? It will help town = town approach You're mafia because you're not telling us who you are = scum approach. Implicitly calling my approach scum approach. But not directly doing it. If Freezingfoot thinks my approach is so scummy, in four straight posts.... Why doesn't he vote me? If he tries to get me killed directly that would be one thing, but he's just weakly throwing back mud at me.
Did you not see this post freezingfoot?
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On June 08 2015 10:21 FreezingFoot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 09:58 Breshke wrote:On June 08 2015 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:56 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question. you apparently don't understand. It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town. So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game. I understand perfectly fine. No you don't, because you repeatedly have shown an inability to read what I am saying. I have said twice now that a smurf DOES NOT HAVE TO REVEAL THEMSELVES to satisfy my line of questioning. I simply want more out of this particular player. The responses I have received so far have been relatively lukewarm at best. However, I'm going to step it up a bit further.
I agree with your general premise but not your methodology. I have already said the important question in regards to our mystery man is whether he will use his identity to impart wisdom and knowledge or to sow confusion.
So did I, you just failed to read where I said it. Twice. Now three times, actually, and if you count this now, four.
You seem to miss the point that had he been interested in revealing his identity he would have done so. This goes back to my earlier question to you: Do you ask him to reveal his identity so that when he refuses you can accuse him? Why would a member of the coven do such a thing when they already know that the outcome will be that he does not revel himself.
Nope. You're not reading. Keep this up and I'm going to just ignore you.
Your argument so far has been that his withholding his identity is suspicious and his posting style thus far is suspicious. But if we do not know his identity how can we judge his posting style as indicative of anything?
All that said, our mystery man does need to choose his path. He either gives us wisdom and clarity or he sows confusion, and his fate is decided by which course of action he chooses to take.
Nope. I am saying you do not understand because, well...you don't. Let me clarify for you what has happened so far, and what is now worth discussing. On June 08 2015 08:21 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller
also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great Btw I don't like this opening. Sounds like a guy trying too hard do say "oh I'm town /sob", and asking people for names to work with. He doesn't like my opening. Sign #1 he doesn't like me. Cool. Let's skip over his direct response to my vote, because it was useless. Third post following my vote: On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf? Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity. Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom. Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X? What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler? How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong. It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment. What I exhibited is a "scum behaviour" according to Freezingfoot. He didn't like my original post, and he thinks I am not trying to build original reads. He claims I don't care about his alignment. Fourth post: On June 08 2015 09:00 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 08 2015 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
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Being a smurf is not alignment indicative. refusing to divulge relevant information sure is! identity is a large part of mafia. But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity. Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom. Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X? What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler? How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong. It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment. So it's a scum behaviour to question nothing...at the beginning of day 1, when by definition there is nothing to question. Where do you come up with this logic? Tell us who you are? It will help town = town approach You're mafia because you're not telling us who you are = scum approach. Implicitly calling my approach scum approach. But not directly doing it. If Freezingfoot thinks my approach is so scummy, in four straight posts.... Why doesn't he vote me? If he tries to get me killed directly that would be one thing, but he's just weakly throwing back mud at me. Did you not see this post freezingfoot? I saw it What about it? See, this is what I'm looking at when I see bugs post: Who is scum? FreezingFoot Why he could be scum? Because he is not revealing his identity when he is getting voted. Why not revealing his identity when up to the lynch is a mafia behaviour? (silence)
That isn't the only reason he is calling you scum though that's why im pointing out that post.
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I really enjoy bats trying to buddy the guy calling him scum for buddying.
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Sounds very preachy. Priest confirmed
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On June 08 2015 11:28 Kickstart wrote:Breshke plz explain. You've posited and answered questions but you've not explained this vote imo.
I liked this post.
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question. you apparently don't understand. It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town. So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.
I also further disliked freezingfoot trying to make it seem like WBG was purely pushing him because he was a smurf so I was happy with where my vote is.
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Kickstart do you think at this moment foot seems town? He posts this.
On June 08 2015 09:53 FreezingFoot wrote:
Dude, you are scum reading me for something that makes no one scum. I want to understand your thought process before forming a solid read on you. I am NOT answering a question YOU were supposed to clarify.
Yet he completely ignored WBG case which had nothing to do with him being a smurf. I don't see this as him trying to understand the thought process of the case against him. He just keeps focusing on the smurf thing.
I agreed with you to begin with that WBG reasoning was wrong if you look at my ealier posts but then I was just like fuck it who cares nothing else is happening lets pressure this guy. Foot proceeds to do basically nothing and ignores what people say other than the smurf thing.
Neither is it a lose lose situation for him. There is still more than 3/4 of the day left foot has plenty of time to be townie if he is town.
I also don't get why you seem to think that the only thing against foot is that he is a smurf when that isn't the case.
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On June 08 2015 13:29 Kickstart wrote:
What is most concerning to me at the moment in this situation is that bugs seems genuinely concerned, but Breshke's vote is just piggybacking off of everything bugs is saying. This irks me because when asked to explain Breshke just quotes bugs again. I specifically asked for the vote with no explanation in the post to be explained and all I got was a quote from what someone else had said.
Quite a convenient way to later say that "Oh I just thought that Bugses case was good thats why I voted, clearly since bugs pushed it though bugs is more likely to be scum than me who just thought the point was good". Especially since the only real reason to have a vote parked on foot at the moment is for pressure, but if your intent was to pressure you wouldn't just echo everything another player has said without asking the person you are trying to pressure any questions. Seems quite scummy to me, and since I asked for an explanation but didn't get a satisfactory one in my opinion:
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Yeah because it is really realistic to think that I as scum would think voting for someone giving no reasoning would make me look better than the person who spearheads the lynch. I'm bad but i'm not retarded. Your right i didn't really help much at all with the pressure no denying that.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 08 2015 13:22 FreezingFoot wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 12:46 Breshke wrote:On June 08 2015 11:28 Kickstart wrote:On June 08 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
##vote FreezingFoot Breshke plz explain. You've posited and answered questions but you've not explained this vote imo. I liked this post. On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question. you apparently don't understand. It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town. So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game. I also further disliked freezingfoot trying to make it seem like WBG was purely pushing him because he was a smurf so I was happy with where my vote is. No. I wanted him to explain why not telling my identity when being voted is a scum behaviour. I've pointed it out repeatedly so he could reveal his thought process. After inquiring three times, bugs just calls me scum and asks me to explain something HE is supposed to explain. You know why? Because he has no thought process. He simply went behind a policy lynch and tried to justify it by saying that not revealing my identity while being up to the lynch is scummy, something YOU should KNOW by now that his is the most nonsensical conclusion to it. You aren't a newbie anymore and you know that a method of scum hunting is to see who is trying more to survive than to catch scum. If you have a player that will only survive if he reveals his identity, a scum will be much more eager to blow his smurf than keeping his identity a secret. I just kept not voting and not defending myself to see how bugs thought process would be in the thread and to see how his thought process would develop. I just showed all of you he has no thought process (in other words, his read is fabricated) when he failed to explain WHY not blowing my smurf would be scim behaviour.His other argument is that I scumread him but I do not place a vote in him. This isn't alignment indicative, specially in the beginning of the game. I did not approached him more aggressively because of what I've already said I was trying to manage. In the other hand, he clearly identifies aggressiveness as town trait and does approach me very aggressive. He is self aware that aggressiveness is a town trait. But how his aggressiveness works? He isn't trying to analyse my alignment. He is just throwing suspicions at me and calling me scum for everything I say, or ridicule my inquiries on him. Which means his aggressiveness is not someone trying to have a read on a player, or to push a player to gather information. His aggressiveness is an attempt to look townie, especially when he believes this is a town trait. Your vote isn't well placed. It is opportunistic.
See I really like this now though. Let me explain how I saw bugs play.
Pressure this guy because he is a smurf for funsies and to get the thread going.
Justify the reasoning with something really shallow that doesn't really make sense
Oh wait this guy is actually doing something scummy now it is a legit push.
I dont think not revealing who you are even if you are about to die is scummy let me make that clear. Just because people can meta you doesn't mean they should totally flop a read on you if they are already voting you coming to EoD. I don't think a meta read should be able to change a read like that.
However I did have a problem with you apparently ignoring everything else he was saying and just focusing on the smurf thing but I understand now why you did this and it was on purpose and not intended to make WBG look bad by focusing on something that is not alignment indicative.
As for the last paragraph I don't think that makes WBG scummy because as i said before it came off to me that you were purposely focusing on the smurf thing so I can't blame him for having the same reaction and dismissing what you were saying.
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On June 08 2015 16:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
I have like 5 people right now on my list I would consider nearly 100% town
anyone else agree with me?
Who?
I have like 1 maybe 2. I really like kickstart, don't know if that needs explaining and also think i like tube his read on me seems really genuine and is just looking at my early play in a really good light which makes me think he is town.
Onegu leaving after smurf speculation is kind of underwhelming and I want to hear more opinions from LS.
WBG, I understand there is benifits of the "im going to treat you like a dick" play style but foot actually started providing stuff so I don't really get the "you're bad" post but they always feel awkward to me because if you are calling him bad does that mean you think he is town? IDK
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On June 08 2015 18:49 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 18:32 Breshke wrote:On June 08 2015 16:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
I have like 5 people right now on my list I would consider nearly 100% town
anyone else agree with me? Who? I have like 1 maybe 2. I really like kickstart, don't know if that needs explaining and also think i like tube his read on me seems really genuine and is just looking at my early play in a really good light which makes me think he is town. Onegu leaving after smurf speculation is kind of underwhelming and I want to hear more opinions from LS. WBG, I understand there is benifits of the "im going to treat you like a dick" play style but foot actually started providing stuff so I don't really get the "you're bad" post but they always feel awkward to me because if you are calling him bad does that mean you think he is town? IDK Im here and I am always underwhelming.
no you ain't I remember that one game you scumread koshi which was the main reason i scumread koshi and then shot him, i think it was horn of africa or something.
got anything ya wanna talk about?
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