• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:24
CEST 17:24
KST 00:24
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors4Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event10Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) $1,400 SEL Season 3 Ladder Invitational RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread OutLive 25 (RTS Game) Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Movie Stars In Video Games: …
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1186 users

Witchcraft Mini Mafia III - Page 8

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 77 Next
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 07 2015 23:46 GMT
#141
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.

FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 07 2015 23:48 GMT
#142
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 07 2015 23:48 GMT
#143
##vote FreezingFoot
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 07 2015 23:49 GMT
#144
On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now?


not really. Do you?

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:
Hi

On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.


So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?


I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.

Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.

It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.

You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.


Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that.

Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying

I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 07 2015 23:50 GMT
#145
Also sure it would be nice knowing FreezingFoot's aka but it's not as important as finding scum.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 07 2015 23:51 GMT
#146
On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now?


not really. Do you?

On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:
Hi

On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.


So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?


I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.

Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.

It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.

You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.


Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that.

Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying

I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null.


When you say you dislike the pressure what do you mean? Do you think it is scummy? Not furthering the game? Could you expand on this?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 07 2015 23:52 GMT
#147
On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now?


not really. Do you?

Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:
Hi

On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.


So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?


I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.

Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.

It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.

You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.


Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that.


No it isn't. Read what I said again. The player does not necessarily have to reveal themselves. They just have to prove they can contribute. Asking that of scum will result in one or more of a.) More questions, b.) Nothing, c.) A bunch of filler nonsense, or d.) A response that takes a lot of effort.

Asking a townie will often give us something useful. It may be the actual behaviour in the response itself (and so far actually his response has been a bit useful to me in getting a read on him) and it may be the subsequent posts as we get reads/thoughts on the game/thought process from the player.

a.), b.) and c.) are all great, those types of responses would warrant more votes. d.) almost never happens because scum on this forum suck. But if it did, it would take a good amount of time for it to come out and it would probably be incredibly underwhelming from a scum.


Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying


What?? Mafia are always hunting roles.

I also don't understand, is this supposed to be separate from the previous part of the post? Are you saying that the people who are voted to get roles choose investigative ones?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 07 2015 23:53 GMT
#148
On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


So it's a scum behaviour to question nothing...at the beginning of day 1, when by definition there is nothing to question.

Where do you come up with this logic?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 07 2015 23:56 GMT
#149
On June 08 2015 08:51 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now?


not really. Do you?

On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:
Hi

On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.


So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?


I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.

Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.

It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.

You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.


Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that.

Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying

I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null.


When you say you dislike the pressure what do you mean? Do you think it is scummy? Not furthering the game? Could you expand on this?

I seems preplanned so it's null on that part but it did generate discussion although it's early in the game and not much going on outside the FreezingFoot stuff. I mean sure I would like to know his aka to do a meta read later on but the reason for people to smurf is they want to hide their identity so we can't use meta on them.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 07 2015 23:56 GMT
#150
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


I understand perfectly fine.
I agree with your general premise but not your methodology. I have already said the important question in regards to our mystery man is whether he will use his identity to impart wisdom and knowledge or to sow confusion.

You seem to miss the point that had he been interested in revealing his identity he would have done so. This goes back to my earlier question to you: Do you ask him to reveal his identity so that when he refuses you can accuse him? Why would a member of the coven do such a thing when they already know that the outcome will be that he does not revel himself.

Your argument so far has been that his withholding his identity is suspicious and his posting style thus far is suspicious. But if we do not know his identity how can we judge his posting style as indicative of anything?

All that said, our mystery man does need to choose his path. He either gives us wisdom and clarity or he sows confusion, and his fate is decided by which course of action he chooses to take.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 08 2015 00:00 GMT
#151
On June 08 2015 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now?


not really. Do you?

On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:
Hi

On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.


So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?


I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.

Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.

It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.

You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.


Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that.


No it isn't. Read what I said again. The player does not necessarily have to reveal themselves. They just have to prove they can contribute. Asking that of scum will result in one or more of a.) More questions, b.) Nothing, c.) A bunch of filler nonsense, or d.) A response that takes a lot of effort.

Asking a townie will often give us something useful. It may be the actual behaviour in the response itself (and so far actually his response has been a bit useful to me in getting a read on him) and it may be the subsequent posts as we get reads/thoughts on the game/thought process from the player.

a.), b.) and c.) are all great, those types of responses would warrant more votes. d.) almost never happens because scum on this forum suck. But if it did, it would take a good amount of time for it to come out and it would probably be incredibly underwhelming from a scum.

Show nested quote +

Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying


What?? Mafia are always hunting roles.

I also don't understand, is this supposed to be separate from the previous part of the post? Are you saying that the people who are voted to get roles choose investigative ones?



It is literally impossible for them to hunt roles at the moment.

Also yes that is what I am saying. I know a lot of people would be tempted to choose a vest but if we get three vests then it is a waste.

What great response are you espexting from the smurf at this stage though? It feels like only A, B and C are the possible reactions at this stage I dont see how town or scum would give D
FreezingFoot
Profile Joined May 2015
457 Posts
June 08 2015 00:00 GMT
#152
On June 08 2015 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


So it's a scum behaviour to question nothing...at the beginning of day 1, when by definition there is nothing to question.

Where do you come up with this logic?


Tell us who you are? It will help town = town approach
You're mafia because you're not telling us who you are = scum approach.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
June 08 2015 00:02 GMT
#153
Well guys I going to get some dinner and when I come back I will check everything that goes on after this post!
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 08 2015 00:03 GMT
#154
On June 08 2015 08:56 Kickstart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


I understand perfectly fine.


No you don't, because you repeatedly have shown an inability to read what I am saying.

I have said twice now that a smurf DOES NOT HAVE TO REVEAL THEMSELVES to satisfy my line of questioning.

I simply want more out of this particular player. The responses I have received so far have been relatively lukewarm at best. However, I'm going to step it up a bit further.


I agree with your general premise but not your methodology. I have already said the important question in regards to our mystery man is whether he will use his identity to impart wisdom and knowledge or to sow confusion.


So did I, you just failed to read where I said it. Twice. Now three times, actually, and if you count this now, four.


You seem to miss the point that had he been interested in revealing his identity he would have done so. This goes back to my earlier question to you: Do you ask him to reveal his identity so that when he refuses you can accuse him? Why would a member of the coven do such a thing when they already know that the outcome will be that he does not revel himself.


Nope. You're not reading. Keep this up and I'm going to just ignore you.


Your argument so far has been that his withholding his identity is suspicious and his posting style thus far is suspicious. But if we do not know his identity how can we judge his posting style as indicative of anything?

All that said, our mystery man does need to choose his path. He either gives us wisdom and clarity or he sows confusion, and his fate is decided by which course of action he chooses to take.


Nope. I am saying you do not understand because, well...you don't.

Let me clarify for you what has happened so far, and what is now worth discussing.

On June 08 2015 08:21 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller

also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great


Btw I don't like this opening. Sounds like a guy trying too hard do say "oh I'm town /sob", and asking people for names to work with.


He doesn't like my opening. Sign #1 he doesn't like me.

Cool.

Let's skip over his direct response to my vote, because it was useless.

Third post following my vote:

On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


What I exhibited is a "scum behaviour" according to Freezingfoot. He didn't like my original post, and he thinks I am not trying to build original reads. He claims I don't care about his alignment.

Fourth post:

On June 08 2015 09:00 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


So it's a scum behaviour to question nothing...at the beginning of day 1, when by definition there is nothing to question.

Where do you come up with this logic?


Tell us who you are? It will help town = town approach
You're mafia because you're not telling us who you are = scum approach.


Implicitly calling my approach scum approach. But not directly doing it.

If Freezingfoot thinks my approach is so scummy, in four straight posts....

Why doesn't he vote me? If he tries to get me killed directly that would be one thing, but he's just weakly throwing back mud at me.


Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 08 2015 00:04 GMT
#155
On June 08 2015 08:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:51 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:49 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:44 Breshke wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote:
So Breshke any thoughts on Wherebugsgo right now?


not really. Do you?

On June 08 2015 08:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:31 Breshke wrote:
Hi

On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.


So do you think someone that has chosen to smurf is more likely to reveal who they are as town or mafia then?


I think they would be more likely to reveal themselves as town.

Granted, a smurf does not have to reveal themselves to be useful to town. I have smurfed myself, and the reason I do it is often quite simple-most people don't ask, and those who do can be placated by providing opinions and good reads. I have never had the luxury of rolling scum while smurfing, but if I ever did I do not doubt it would be one of the easiest ways to achieve victory.

It is plainly obvious why smurfing is far more advantageous to the individual player than the team as a whole. The town only benefits if the player who is smurfing is a high caliber town player, rolls town, and escapes getting shot night 1 due to being a smurf. Otherwise, town stands to gain nothing from a mediocre townie or a bad townie smurfing other than a lack of insight into the player's behaviour.

You should always hold smurfs to a higher standard because if they refuse to reveal their identity then you have no background to be working with. You have no expectation of their play, and an ordinarily good townie has rolled scum on a smurf you have no way of knowing.


Yeah I understand this but that doesn't make not revealing who you are to be alignment indicative. If someone has chosen to smurf they have chosen pre game that they probably don't want to reveal who they are. I feel like saying, reveal yourself or get lynched, is a waste because it depends on the player on how they will act so you can't really get much from that.

Also to talk about this now instead of when mafia will be trying to hunt roles. I think it is best in at least the first phase that a lot of the chosen powers are information type roles specifically scrying

I kinda dislike his pressure on FreezingFoot since FreezingFoot could be a smurf and him calling him out so early just seems like it's a preplanned motion from him regardless of his alignment so null.


When you say you dislike the pressure what do you mean? Do you think it is scummy? Not furthering the game? Could you expand on this?

I seems preplanned so it's null on that part but it did generate discussion although it's early in the game and not much going on outside the FreezingFoot stuff. I mean sure I would like to know his aka to do a meta read later on but the reason for people to smurf is they want to hide their identity so we can't use meta on them.


I don't get why this makes you dislike the pressure though. This makes me like the pressure
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 08 2015 00:05 GMT
#156
Also, while you try to say otherwise, you are clearly trying to subtly push the idea that him withholding his identity is anti town behavior when it isn't.
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


Him refusing to give his identity was decided before his alignment was known, therefor it can not be purposely anti-town for him, it isn't indicative of anything. You are in effect saying "if he votes he is anti-town" which is ludicrous.
You do have a point in saying that a smurf can be harmful to town, but again, this does not give us any indication of the smurfs alignment.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 08 2015 00:05 GMT
#157
one thing we have certainly established so far is that if FreezingFoot is town, his opinions are not worth listening to.

So far his defense has been completely lackluster and I don't need his identity to know that he's probably not going to have very useful opinions if he is town.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 08 2015 00:06 GMT
#158
On June 08 2015 09:05 Kickstart wrote:
Also, while you try to say otherwise, you are clearly trying to subtly push the idea that him withholding his identity is anti town behavior when it isn't.
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


Him refusing to give his identity was decided before his alignment was known, therefor it can not be purposely anti-town for him, it isn't indicative of anything. You are in effect saying "if he votes he is anti-town" which is ludicrous.
You do have a point in saying that a smurf can be harmful to town, but again, this does not give us any indication of the smurfs alignment.


You consider someone taking a mislynch over revealing their identity to be town-favored?

Are you serious?
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
June 08 2015 00:09 GMT
#159
If this game were a DotA game I'd be picking Terrorblade right about now.
Writer@WriterYamato
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 08 2015 00:10 GMT
#160
On June 08 2015 09:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:56 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.


I understand perfectly fine.


No you don't, because you repeatedly have shown an inability to read what I am saying.

I have said twice now that a smurf DOES NOT HAVE TO REVEAL THEMSELVES to satisfy my line of questioning.

+ Show Spoiler +
I simply want more out of this particular player. The responses I have received so far have been relatively lukewarm at best. However, I'm going to step it up a bit further.


I agree with your general premise but not your methodology. I have already said the important question in regards to our mystery man is whether he will use his identity to impart wisdom and knowledge or to sow confusion.


So did I, you just failed to read where I said it. Twice. Now three times, actually, and if you count this now, four.


You seem to miss the point that had he been interested in revealing his identity he would have done so. This goes back to my earlier question to you: Do you ask him to reveal his identity so that when he refuses you can accuse him? Why would a member of the coven do such a thing when they already know that the outcome will be that he does not revel himself.


Nope. You're not reading. Keep this up and I'm going to just ignore you.


Your argument so far has been that his withholding his identity is suspicious and his posting style thus far is suspicious. But if we do not know his identity how can we judge his posting style as indicative of anything?

All that said, our mystery man does need to choose his path. He either gives us wisdom and clarity or he sows confusion, and his fate is decided by which course of action he chooses to take.


Nope. I am saying you do not understand because, well...you don't.

Let me clarify for you what has happened so far, and what is now worth discussing.

On June 08 2015 08:21 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway I am kinda sad I didn't roll scum this game but you guys should elevate me to Greater Demon status cause that'll be baller

also if you guys could fill me in on who I should expect to suck this game and when I should be disappointed for someone sucking that would be great


Btw I don't like this opening. Sounds like a guy trying too hard do say "oh I'm town /sob", and asking people for names to work with.


He doesn't like my opening. Sign #1 he doesn't like me.

Cool.

Let's skip over his direct response to my vote, because it was useless.

Third post following my vote:

On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


What I exhibited is a "scum behaviour" according to Freezingfoot. He didn't like my original post, and he thinks I am not trying to build original reads. He claims I don't care about his alignment.

Fourth post:

On June 08 2015 09:00 FreezingFoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:48 FreezingFoot wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:35 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:28 Kickstart wrote:
On June 08 2015 08:26 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I just got around to post and saw that Kickstart made a pact with the devil himself -_- Also I don't like Wherebugsgo voting FreezingFoot on the fact that FreezingFoot is a potential smurf.
@Kickstart thoughts on Wherebugsgo attacking FreezingFoot for being a smurf?

Being a smurf is not alignment indicative.


refusing to divulge relevant information sure is!

identity is a large part of mafia.

But surely if you were an acolyte you would see the wisdom in ones words and not need to know the person's identity to discern its wisdom or lack thereof. Is this attempt to discern this persons true identity something useful for a member of the coven? Do you ask so that you can discredit if he does not oblige? Do you ask to know if he is a powerful and wise acolyte? Both courses of action would be beneficial to the inquisitors, while knowing his true identity or not does not matter to members of the coven. Ones words and actions matter most to the coven, not ones identity.

Only an inquisitor would be so interested in ones identity over ones wisdom.


Would you rather have the smurf be Foolishness, or random lurker X?

What about Ace, or BloodyC0bbler?

How exactly is this purely a scum-motivated question? It arguably helps town far more, given that if the smurf is town scum already know they are town and they are already automatically a threat. Knowing a player's identity is less important to scum. As scum I have left otherwise "good" townies alive to throw off towns before, simply because they were completely wrong.


It's not a scum motivated question. But you questioned nothing. it is a scum behaviour. It's basically a policy lynch that you get behind without compromising yourself. You won't have to rely on building original reads. You just see a townie and justify a push on him without actually caring for his alignment.


So it's a scum behaviour to question nothing...at the beginning of day 1, when by definition there is nothing to question.

Where do you come up with this logic?


Tell us who you are? It will help town = town approach
You're mafia because you're not telling us who you are = scum approach.


Implicitly calling my approach scum approach. But not directly doing it.

If Freezingfoot thinks my approach is so scummy, in four straight posts....

Why doesn't he vote me? If he tries to get me killed directly that would be one thing, but he's just weakly throwing back mud at me.




On June 08 2015 08:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2015 08:42 Kickstart wrote:
It is helpful by way of making a point. It is not helpful in so far as having the question answered because you ask the question knowing it won't be answered. If he was interested in displaying his identity he would not be in a disguise. It does not take a wise man to posit your question.


you apparently don't understand.

It is in town's benefit to know his identity. If he refuses while taking votes that's anti-town.

So just vote him and see what he does. If he doesn't give town anything what use is he alive? His contribution to this conversation has been a gif in response to my quote post. It is early in the day, but this is a good chance to see how our smurf wants to play the game.

Prev 1 6 7 8 9 10 77 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 36m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 161
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 7325
GuemChi 4335
EffOrt 1413
Britney 1327
Mini 900
BeSt 505
ggaemo 365
Light 284
firebathero 254
Sexy 112
[ Show more ]
Sharp 110
Zeus 93
Barracks 73
Sea.KH 66
Hyun 62
Killer 55
ToSsGirL 45
Pusan 45
Backho 41
PianO 38
Movie 32
soO 27
Rock 23
Hm[arnc] 23
IntoTheRainbow 22
Terrorterran 20
zelot 20
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Sacsri 8
Dota 2
Gorgc4743
qojqva1776
syndereN375
monkeys_forever154
420jenkins144
Counter-Strike
olofmeister961
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King163
Other Games
singsing2360
B2W.Neo1144
hiko1039
Liquid`RaSZi858
Beastyqt506
Happy241
Hui .238
ceh9201
FrodaN172
elazer107
ArmadaUGS92
Liquid`VortiX82
Livibee62
Trikslyr34
KnowMe3
Organizations
Other Games
WardiTV499
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream141
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 33
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1983
• TFBlade1347
• Jankos1271
Other Games
• WagamamaTV400
• Shiphtur179
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
36m
RotterdaM161
Replay Cast
8h 36m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
18h 36m
Afreeca Starleague
18h 36m
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
19h 36m
SHIN vs Nicoract
Solar vs Nice
GSL
1d 18h
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
2 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
2 days
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Escore
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
OSC
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-02
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.