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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 09 2015 22:22 GMT
#688
Yo just woke up and caught up with thread

I'd rather lych LS over anyone else I think the point that he put his vote on yamato or whenever he placed a majority of his votes then did nothing to try to further work out that persons alignment is scummy and something LS specifically does as scum.

Not sure why foot is so against lyching him to be honest. Same with bats to a degree

##unvote
##vote lightningstrike
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 09 2015 22:25 GMT
#705
On June 10 2015 07:24 wherebugsgo wrote:
oh god I'm nervous


This comes off as really fake
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 09 2015 22:29 GMT
#715
I don't think bars or foots votes are waster are they not both voting stutters?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 09 2015 22:38 GMT
#739
It's very likely I fall back to sleep maybe even before EOD idk why I'm so tired

Bats thing about BM the diet case is something that would make me vote on him but I also don't think that town LS just afks through a lynch like this when he is always trying to improve his game post game by asking for advice.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 09 2015 23:10 GMT
#818
Just FYI blaspheme checks are better than scrying now since there is still a miller and 1 each of priest and witch hunter.

Unless we wanna try kill other witch hunter before he shoots but yeah

Well done shame about the modkill
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 00:03 GMT
#886
How is role block any better than blaspheme

If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 00:21 GMT
#904
On June 10 2015 09:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 09:03 Breshke wrote:
How is role block any better than blaspheme

If you RB the scum that doesn't send the kill you literally have no info the RB is only useful if it hits. Blaspheme at least gives the distinct answer if someone is or isn't the priest


what?

It may have no effect only if the RB hits the priest.

I don't think scum are ballsy enough to both deliver the KP and a silver bullet on the same player (if they choose to fire a silver bullet tonight). If they try to snipe a blue tonight they almost certainly will use both players to deliver KP, otherwise if the witch hunter gets RBed both of their KPs fail

I am 99% sure I play better scum than you and let me be frank when I say a DT check would not scare me in this setup nearly as much as an RB or a jailkeeper prot.


I'm 100% sure you play scum better than me no one was having a dick measuring contest but thanks for getting yours out to show

Silver bullet gets refunded if role blocked so it's not like they really lose that kp also if someone role locks someone and there is still one shown kill does that mean that person is mafia or maybe scum didn't use their silver bullet or missed with it. I think RB is good in best case scenario whereas blaspheme while shittier always provides info
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 00:33 GMT
#908
By the way bats you have the same misunderstanding as me. A power can't be chosen more than once so all three cant morph
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 00:35 GMT
#912
Lol derp soz
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 00:47 GMT
#918
I'm actually not that much of a fan of morph. If scum shoots you and you don't die they just silver bullet you the next day. Actually I guess that gives us more blues next phase idk it is w/e

BM can you explain why you switched off of LS or direct me to a post where you explained it
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 01:23 GMT
#927
it annoys me that you put more effort into replying to posts from people saying to ignore you than ones where im actually trying to work out your allighnment.

How did you fuck up and why did it make you switch your vote?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 07:45 GMT
#979
On June 10 2015 16:35 Tubesock wrote:
We have such a showman. It's the little touches I really enjoy. Like his so pretty google doc he made for "us".
Show nested quote +
Bug's google doc concerning Yamato77 his top town at 99%

Not useful until recently. Entrance into the thread was very strong. His needlessly strong response to my simple question along with ignoring half the things I ask is very fishy, however. He helped push LS but what if he's bussing? Fairly unlikely still, but question remains. w/e fuck it let's not get paranoid.


"w/e fuck it let's not get paranoid" is my favorite part. I particularly like it since I need to be reminded that Bugs is also displaying a towny trait! This entire doc is such a blessing to town. So helpful. Only a towny would be that helpful.

Damn near every one of his entries is a display to make him look more towny.

Since none of you would answer my request to point out why it is beneficial to town for Foot to not out. I can explain it for you lazy sheep.

First, I think it is important to acknowledge that the players in this game are largely unfamiliar with each other. This can make the night one kill choice more difficult than if the majority of players know each other. I'm sure sensai Bugs will say that "No, mafia ALWAYS WITHOUT EXCEPTION kill the town who is the closest to being right". Uh yeah no sometimes town doesn't really have any idea, so mafia kill the ones they fear. Not all the time but often.

There are various scenarios concerning the smurf and I won't come close to seeing them all. But take for instance a player like Holyflare or his caliber. A player who is both good at town and scum. There are players on this forum that are constantly killed night one. If they survive till Day 3 then they get lynched because no one can read them and if they survive they are obviously mafia. They die because mafia KNOWS they will figure out the game.

So, Holyflare wants to actually play a game and go past night 1 or 2. You will never be able to convince me that 1) the chances of NKing HF would be the same and 2) that it would not benefit town IMMENSELY to have HF live for a few more days. HF just singlehandedly won a game in 5-3 mylo very recently because mafia didn't kill him for some reason. How the fuck can you say him staying hidden doesn't benefit town?

So let's say he outs. Now, mafia has more information to judge their night kill on. Town will also just as likely argue about the outs authenticity. That benefits mafia again, no one is scumhunting. Town has to figure out the players alignment no matter if they out or not. But it gives mafia more information. It benefits mafia more than it benefits town.

What if HF is scum? Sure, he outs and then we lynch him D3/4 because there is no way HF should be alive that long. So in that respect it benefits mafia for him to remain a smurf. That also requires him to tell the truth. So, HF who consistently is lynched for surviving too long is going to out himself truthfully? That seems like a dumb idea.

Anyway, Bugs never considered more than just the one angle because his motive is to appear towny, not to solve the game. Bugs doesn't know hardly anyone in this game. Assuming new players don't smurf I think he's hoping he knows the player. Then he can make a better NK assessment.


I really don't like this. Why are you still talking about the smurf thing no one cares about it anymore

It also seems absurd that you just say he writes stuff to see townie yet don't show exactly where. Like explain WHY what he wrote is only posting to seem town and not because he is actual town.

Being wrong isn't a scum tell but saying someone who voted and pushed mafia isn't trying to solve the game while you voted on a policy lynch seems dumb.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 07:46 GMT
#980
On June 10 2015 16:43 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:
gG Had no motivation to play when I saw I rolled scum


Questions to towns:

Do you agree that LS would say that in QT at the beginning of the game? I think he would say that right away. Or something similar.

If you were his partner, would you bus him? I would absolutely. I wouldn't do it straight out the gate but early enough so I can take credit. I'm pretty sure there were two games very recently that had mafia bussing each other D1 on this forum. It happens and it's a fucking smart play when you know your mate is going to be lynched D2 or 3 anyway.

It could have been Onegu who actually first scummed LS I don't remember but it's obvious Bugs is taking credit for it and pushing how mafia would NEVER bus day 1 like that. NEVER.

How many of you would? Maybe Bugs is town and he really wouldn't. It's possible. I think reality is that he is mafia and is doing a little magic trick for us.


Even if LS didn't want to play I think his partners tell him to at least try D1 so they can use his KP. If he refused this then he is a dick and shouldn't have sighed up and I don't think LS would do that.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 07:59 GMT
#982
On June 10 2015 16:47 Tubesock wrote:
I'm willing to take the 7/8 odds that I am not miller.

Cop and priest check me tonight. If I don't turn up green on both lynch me. Simple.

Almost every single one of you sheep think I am scum. So what's to lose? I promise to still contribute what I think on non Bugs players even since you all seem to think he's so town.


or we could not do this.

Can you tell me about some other players now?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 08:31 GMT
#987
On June 10 2015 17:04 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 16:59 Breshke wrote:
On June 10 2015 16:47 Tubesock wrote:
I'm willing to take the 7/8 odds that I am not miller.

Cop and priest check me tonight. If I don't turn up green on both lynch me. Simple.

Almost every single one of you sheep think I am scum. So what's to lose? I promise to still contribute what I think on non Bugs players even since you all seem to think he's so town.


or we could not do this.

Can you tell me about some other players now?


Like who?


Anyone

On June 10 2015 17:06 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 16:45 Breshke wrote:
On June 10 2015 16:35 Tubesock wrote:
We have such a showman. It's the little touches I really enjoy. Like his so pretty google doc he made for "us".
Bug's google doc concerning Yamato77 his top town at 99%

Not useful until recently. Entrance into the thread was very strong. His needlessly strong response to my simple question along with ignoring half the things I ask is very fishy, however. He helped push LS but what if he's bussing? Fairly unlikely still, but question remains. w/e fuck it let's not get paranoid.


"w/e fuck it let's not get paranoid" is my favorite part. I particularly like it since I need to be reminded that Bugs is also displaying a towny trait! This entire doc is such a blessing to town. So helpful. Only a towny would be that helpful.

Damn near every one of his entries is a display to make him look more towny.

Since none of you would answer my request to point out why it is beneficial to town for Foot to not out. I can explain it for you lazy sheep.

First, I think it is important to acknowledge that the players in this game are largely unfamiliar with each other. This can make the night one kill choice more difficult than if the majority of players know each other. I'm sure sensai Bugs will say that "No, mafia ALWAYS WITHOUT EXCEPTION kill the town who is the closest to being right". Uh yeah no sometimes town doesn't really have any idea, so mafia kill the ones they fear. Not all the time but often.

There are various scenarios concerning the smurf and I won't come close to seeing them all. But take for instance a player like Holyflare or his caliber. A player who is both good at town and scum. There are players on this forum that are constantly killed night one. If they survive till Day 3 then they get lynched because no one can read them and if they survive they are obviously mafia. They die because mafia KNOWS they will figure out the game.

So, Holyflare wants to actually play a game and go past night 1 or 2. You will never be able to convince me that 1) the chances of NKing HF would be the same and 2) that it would not benefit town IMMENSELY to have HF live for a few more days. HF just singlehandedly won a game in 5-3 mylo very recently because mafia didn't kill him for some reason. How the fuck can you say him staying hidden doesn't benefit town?

So let's say he outs. Now, mafia has more information to judge their night kill on. Town will also just as likely argue about the outs authenticity. That benefits mafia again, no one is scumhunting. Town has to figure out the players alignment no matter if they out or not. But it gives mafia more information. It benefits mafia more than it benefits town.

What if HF is scum? Sure, he outs and then we lynch him D3/4 because there is no way HF should be alive that long. So in that respect it benefits mafia for him to remain a smurf. That also requires him to tell the truth. So, HF who consistently is lynched for surviving too long is going to out himself truthfully? That seems like a dumb idea.

Anyway, Bugs never considered more than just the one angle because his motive is to appear towny, not to solve the game. Bugs doesn't know hardly anyone in this game. Assuming new players don't smurf I think he's hoping he knows the player. Then he can make a better NK assessment.


I really don't like this. Why are you still talking about the smurf thing no one cares about it anymore

It also seems absurd that you just say he writes stuff to see townie yet don't show exactly where. Like explain WHY what he wrote is only posting to seem town and not because he is actual town.

Being wrong isn't a scum tell but saying someone who voted and pushed mafia isn't trying to solve the game while you voted on a policy lynch seems dumb.


I think the smurf thing was a show to look towny. He continues to push it. I'm saying he isn't looking at more than one angle of his argument because he isn't motivated to find the truth, he's motivated to look towny.


Can you show me where he has activly pushed the smurf thing recently.

On June 10 2015 17:11 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 16:46 Breshke wrote:
On June 10 2015 16:43 Tubesock wrote:
On June 10 2015 08:10 LightningStrike wrote:
gG Had no motivation to play when I saw I rolled scum


Questions to towns:

Do you agree that LS would say that in QT at the beginning of the game? I think he would say that right away. Or something similar.

If you were his partner, would you bus him? I would absolutely. I wouldn't do it straight out the gate but early enough so I can take credit. I'm pretty sure there were two games very recently that had mafia bussing each other D1 on this forum. It happens and it's a fucking smart play when you know your mate is going to be lynched D2 or 3 anyway.

It could have been Onegu who actually first scummed LS I don't remember but it's obvious Bugs is taking credit for it and pushing how mafia would NEVER bus day 1 like that. NEVER.

How many of you would? Maybe Bugs is town and he really wouldn't. It's possible. I think reality is that he is mafia and is doing a little magic trick for us.


Even if LS didn't want to play I think his partners tell him to at least try D1 so they can use his KP. If he refused this then he is a dick and shouldn't have sighed up and I don't think LS would do that.


That's very possible. But what if you have 2 mafia players who feel comfortable projecting town and can likely get and win votes? Sure, having that blue snipe ability is nice, but I think it pays off to bus a mate who will die in a day or two anyway. If I were mafia I would bus LS just like Bugs did. At least try to anyway.


Then those two mafia members project town. Make the lynch not on LS use his blue snipe and then do whatever they want.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 10 2015 08:46 GMT
#990
On June 10 2015 17:38 Tubesock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2015 10:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
btw FF I hope that lynch did not discourage you from posting. If you are town the last thing you should do is disappear at this time.

If you indeed don't spend this time talking to me, I'll have to list you as a scumread. If I die I hope the town is not dumb enough to let you go quietly. Partly the reason is because I won't be around ~3 hours before lynch, because I will be boarding a plane. Indeed, I probably won't be around after the lynch either so the next ~6 hours or so and maybe early morning tomorrow is the best time for me to get as much information out of every player to provide the best I can before my time in the game ends.

So, let's talk. Convince me why you're not scum. Convince me of your best two reads right now. I know you think BM is mafia, you've argued that point through and through. Let's assume BM is either dead or town. Who else would you pick? I want reasons. I also want specifics and the details behind your thought process.


Lastly, since I think this would be very useful, I want you to claim your identity so I can read your past games.+ Show Spoiler +
If any of you disagree that meta would be useful in this situation, please go ahead and reread my case on LS, and tell me exactly why a smurf FF in this situation would be doing us a favor by not telling us his identity. My comparisons between LS's countless town games and his really mediocre mafia play was a significant driving force behind my confidence in the lynch, and I would expect that a town smurf would understand the implications of having more information on the table.


From page 9 of his filter. Just prior to his post to me and after you and him talked blue powers.


Ehh, he is doing other stuff aswell though and he isn't saying your scum if you don't out its more like tell me who you are so i can try read you better. Which to me comes across as trying to solve the game which is the opposite of what you seem to think.

I have foot narrowed down to 4 people probably two that are much more likely. I'm smurfhunting more than scumhunting oops
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 11 2015 01:39 GMT
#1052
I kinda would rather lynch tube. His stuff during the night on bugs kind of made me think he was town because it was so out there and just wrong to me. Yet when I look at it again he just doesn't reconsider and has this blind confidence that he is right. He also has zero thought about anyone else seemingly.

##Vote Tubesock

I also think it would be beneficial if people who voted kickstart for the PR thing claim so we can see if he was empowered or not.

Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 11 2015 01:43 GMT
#1053
I didn't really explain why I think that makes tube scum do I and i think bugs has already done it but I don't see town tube not reconsidering after he was on a town wagon D1 and his scumspect was helping lead a mafia wagon. Like he can keep his scumread on bugs but I think he would also give reads on other players and try help move the game forward.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 11 2015 02:25 GMT
#1057
On June 11 2015 11:12 yamato77 wrote:
breshke do you have objections to a BM lynch or are you just convinced that tube is more mafia?


think tube is more mafia.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
June 11 2015 03:01 GMT
#1065
I don't think kickstart was a very random kill he was town read by a lot of people.
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