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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 06 2015 20:47 GMT
#1181
I'll take a page from Damdred's book

If you think I'm scum fucking vote me
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 06 2015 21:08 GMT
#1182
The reason I think Ritoky died?

Our only blue got lynched so mafia doesn't have to bluehunt any more and he was the most town read guy and is very doubtful he would get mislynched.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 06 2015 21:58 GMT
#1183
I see a slight townlean from reading NHM's filter - I know I gave him shit for this post earlier on the coloring -
On June 05 2015 12:52 NydusHerMain wrote:
These are my thoughts on the last couple of pages because I came home late and have to go to sleep soon.

Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 06:27 Chocolate wrote:
I would have killed myself if there were time lol


Seems like a really weak reaction to me. It doesn't really feel genuine at all. Also, I'm not sure about Chocolate but if I were getting potentially lynched and it was getting close to EoD, I would've constantly refreshed. I call BS on him not noticing the time and saying "I would have killed myself" because he posted his last words before the EoD was over. Also, if he truely had the intent of dying for the blue, he probably would have at least tried to vote even if it was exactly on EoD (which would probably have been too late) just incase but he didn't even try.

TL;DR: Chocolate was there to take the death for the team and he lied about sacrificing himself had he had more time


With respect to Milo, people have already said this but I'm town reading the hell out of him now. Day 1 it was a light town read but his switch to a nonvote when the blue claimed solidifies him to my top town. The only doubt in my mind is if Chocolate flips as scum because the only reason for Milo to nonvote in my opinion is either he was panicking town or he was mafia with Chocolate and just didn't know what to do or knew that the blue was going to die by default anyways. Regardless, I'm tending to lead more super town on Milo and just going with Occam's razor on this.


VE's reaction felt kind of fake to me right now as well BUT he did want to go on Chocolate over the blue AND on top of that, I'm kind of scared because everytime I read his posts, I read it in his voice and if he starts going on me... basically I don't want to see the torrential downpour of VE rage falling on me. (In all seriousness, I'm slightly reading him town for his earlier posts but in the case of my death, I do want people to keep a close eye on him).


I'll have to reread filters when I wake up but for now, I had a scum read on onegu and damdred as well but I don't remember the reasons well enough to confidently explain why.


Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 06:49 Tictock wrote:
On June 05 2015 06:39 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure why ritoky and myself should get all the blame? The logical,thing is if you are so scared you are getting lynched claim when there's time to parse the information.

My points had value, he did do questionable,things .

Tick immediately moving to discredit someone who steeped and the leader of the wagon is interesting


Before I head out the door let me respond to this, kus it is pissing me off a little.

First, I'm upset that you guys just got our jailkeep lynched. I stated time and time again that i was against it and tried to go against your push on him.

Maybe you and ritoky aren't scum for starting the wagon on Kick, I get that. However this subtle deflection back to me when I just stated I was about to head out for awhile looks super shitty.

You guys def deserve some blame for that lynch. I wasn't going to scum you for it, but I sure as hell scum you after posting that.

I already thought Choco was scum. Why should I feel any different now?



OHHH and don't get me started on TickTock's reaction. How did I miss that one. The fakest thing I've ever read in my life. I'm almost ready to vote on him instantly when the day starts off that. God, it's because the two letter acronyms are so confusing... TT, GG, SL, KS, VE, blah blah blah....


Templar also feels townier post EoD but I don't know if I can wipe his slate clean mentally after day 1... Actually, that's kind of a lie. He doesn't really feel townier to me but I like his reads so I'm just going to call him leaning town. He doesn't like damdred and onegu, he doesn't like ticktock, I just need him to say his stance on chocolate and I need it to be "chocolate is mafia we should lynch him." I'd say shame on you templar for voting on our blue but if you're town, I would've had you dead so either way one of us would be at fault. (P.S. say chocolate is scum and you'll have me in your pocket for the next 1-2 days)


Honestly, it was kind of hard for me to follow this game and I could feel myself getting lurkier and lurkier but I think this blue kill got me all worked up. Despite how bad it is for us (is jailkeeper dying even that bad? is it a strong role?) it's pretty exciting and I think the game is really starting to move forward.


I see a lot of honesty here for some reason. Admits to being a little lurky (which Scum normally wants to try not to stand out) and how important JK is (could've asked in the mafia QT?) He's a slight town lean. I don't like his Tictock read - with Tic's big case I like him a little more, but he isn't Tunneltock either and if he thinks someone is mafia as town, he will tunnel Unless he's learning his mistake.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 06 2015 21:59 GMT
#1184
Hmmmm is GGTemplar going to be another mislynch?
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 06 2015 22:00 GMT
#1185
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 06 2015 22:11 GMT
#1186
On June 05 2015 01:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 17:37 Tictock wrote:
@ scott

My read on you had changed even before you posted your little quote + picture thing. Your a weak town lean for me atm.

My initial read on you was actually kinda null. I mentioned you might be scum since I was noticing a similarity in your posts this game to last game where you were mafia. The whole thing was a pretty weak meta read tbh. In fact having reviewed some of the post game stuff from NSM X I see that you went inactive that game due to internet issues, not anything to do with alignment.

Given that, I do need to give you a fresh read, so here I go.

First I notice you've mentioned this a couple times...
Still worries me no one defending GG much.

I kinda like your thought process here. Your saying that since nobody is even trying to defend him it suggests to you that he is Town yes?

I see one flaw in that thinking and would like to use last game as evidence. Whats to stop scum from bussing their partner? That's what your team did last game when you fell under suspicion and were not around to defend yourself.

Besides, there is one person who has been pretty outspoken about defending GG, and you just spent the last page interacting with him. Not sure how you missed ritoky saying this...
As for what I like, look at his filter. To me he highlights all but maybe 1 or 2 of what I thought were the most important posts in the first 20 pages and gives an opinion/read on them. He comments on kickstart's opening, he comments on SL/TT interactions, he properly reads me town, he comments on kickstart being bullish, he comments on nydus' entry, and then he addresses the questions posed to him after he catches up. It just reads as town reading the thread and commenting on stuff he finds relevant.

The bolded part is just me picking at Nits again. I find it odd that ritoky throws in a subtle "I'm town" in the middle of his read on GG. Still his overall points aren't too bad, and even has me rethinking my own position a little.

I'd still like to hear from GG himself though. It really does bug me that he'd scum me early on then ignore my reactions to it. Him asking me to restate my response didn't help, kus it also tells me that he isn't willing to do his own reading + Show Spoiler +
this is a trend I've noticed in this community that REALLY bugs me. Reading is super important in forum based Mafia, if you can't be bothered to do it, imho, you shouldn't be here. It looks like GG might be new here, so maybe I'm overreacting.


This has me questioning just how much you yourself are paying attn to this game. I'm not going to scum you for not having 100% perfect reading retention or comprehension though.

Actually the whole interaction I saw between you and ritoky looked pretty good. This question to Kick was great,
Who would you be willing to lynch beyond GG, Kickstart?

That tells me that even though you're scumming GG you are looking beyond him as well. That is great town thinking imo, scum would just focus w/e target they pick and try to get others to do the same no?

I also like how you pointed out that my "read" on milo there was kinda bad. I don't really like the term "wishy washy" I think it's one of those political terms that attacks indecisiveness, but w/e you have a point. I was giving milo some benefit of the doubt for being new here and was mostly saying I need to see more from him to get a solid read.

Thus far I'm not super impressed with him. He's a slight scum lean to me. I poked him a little when I was interacting with ritoky to see what he would do. Mostly I saw him deflecting and not wanting to get pulled into the discussion there. I did find it interesting how me mentions that he doesn't agree with GG being a good lynch.

Actually...
@milo
Care to expand on your thoughts on GG?


I really hate Kickstart's play this game if he is town because I think it's like super scummy, but just based on how the game has gone I think there is no way you can both be mafia and this post you made right here reads scummier than Kickstart's which i would have to attribute to misguided town at this point.

You already have Kickstart's support at this point and both want to kill me. Why openly start doubting him now as a town? I think you are worried about losing the 'pocket' you have on him so you are intentionally expressing fake 'distrust' in an attempt to continue projecting town.

You end your post simply concluding again that you continue to like your 'ally' though and think he is town for 'looking elsewhere in the game besides templar' for pushing scum on milo. I think it was all just very fake.

Plus it lines up with the Chezinu Rule (which, again, I feel Scott misused here as Ritoky noted, but that it can be used as an accusation against Ticktock more accurately)


Rereading this post after we know now Ritoky and Kickstart are town is fairly interesting. GG doesn't OMGUS the guy (GG doesn't actually vote so...) I still got my "one of the mafia pocketing me" sense. He doesn't see a KS/Tictock team, and neither do I. I didn't mind KS's playing though. And I said before, Tictock kicked it up if he is mafia. I think I want Fidei gone instead.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 06 2015 22:18 GMT
#1187
Oh and I have this magical thing called the Subscribed viewer counter. I know it gets thrown off at times by Observers like myself, but when peeps refresh the thread and no body posts it is noted.
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NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 06 2015 22:27 GMT
#1188
So I'm at work right now reading from my iPad and I want to say fuck you Scott. I had an exciting scum case built up against you and now I think you're leaning town... More to be posted in a couple of hours when I'm home -_-
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 06 2015 22:32 GMT
#1189
Sorry to burst your bubble Nydus buddy.
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NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 06 2015 22:33 GMT
#1190
My main question is, at Scott, how much do you trust your onegu because the shit he posted when you went super excited looked like something my 8 year brother could've posted as scum
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 06 2015 22:37 GMT
#1191
A bit, I would put it about 60 to 65% town. I could see him trying to switch it up as scum as well, but at this moment, we have bigger fish in my opinion.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 06 2015 22:42 GMT
#1192
I've obs'ed more then 20 games of Mafia before I started playing - I want to learn things before I jump into it, just my nature. I've obs'ed at least five games from him and beyond the claiming VT in XXX when he was mafia, he does not change much, and reads inconsistencies well. If we need to light a fire under his ass I have no problem with that, but he's a town read at the moment.
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NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 06 2015 22:46 GMT
#1193
I'm not gonna lie I want to have everyone have their vote on him and then if he doesn't do something for me where I can personally read him, just keep the vote there and lynch him. If he does persuade me, I want to probably vote on chocolate. Bah back to work.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
June 06 2015 22:47 GMT
#1194
Also before I go back to work, what stops scum from like bussing each other for town cred in a game with no blues? Happens tons in video mafia...
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 06 2015 22:52 GMT
#1195
Okay, so I thought I might provoke a reaction here, but woooooooow.

Your first post made no sense. We had plenty of time to get an alternative wagon going. KS only got four votes - two or three thrown somewhere else would have been enough. And moreover, it shouldn't really matter - if you thought Chocolate was town, you shouldn't have been voting for him, period. Looking back at it now, it looks like you could have been just laying the groundwork for reticence after the event.

Your second post comes across horribly, to me anyway. Why would you want me to vote for you? If you're town, you'd want to convince me I'm wrong. I wasn't aggressive in my post, and I don't think I was rude (certainly much less than others have been in this thread). so rather than swearing, why not make a case? and if there is something you think I'd missed (ie the other ritoky game) then you could have at least linked to it and explained why my interpretation is wrong. You didn't do that.

Then you immediately transition to making a more substantive post, but without referencing my accusation that your posts aren't overly detailed. if I was wrong, you could have pointed out previous posts where you did (ie that I was wrong), but you didn't.

Finally, you say that you want me gone. But you don't actually give a reason. The natural town thing, if you want to get a Mafia lynched, is to make an argument that other townies might buy. But you didn't do that either.

Overall, your posts come across like you're panicking at having been called out.

The reason I haven't voted on you yet is because I also think TT is Mafia, and it seems like there's more chance of getting a coalition to vote him off for now. But if there isn't much movement in the next 12 hours or so, I'll vote for you - unless you turn it around and make a real case that you're town.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 06 2015 22:53 GMT
#1196
What stops them is the "Why am I still alive" policy. You can only run that towncred for so long and wonder why that person wasn't shot by the mafia, unless they are mafia. I can get into it more if you would like, but that's the jist of it.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 06 2015 23:01 GMT
#1197
On June 07 2015 07:52 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay, so I thought I might provoke a reaction here, but woooooooow.

Your first post made no sense. We had plenty of time to get an alternative wagon going. KS only got four votes - two or three thrown somewhere else would have been enough. And moreover, it shouldn't really matter - if you thought Chocolate was town, you shouldn't have been voting for him, period. Looking back at it now, it looks like you could have been just laying the groundwork for reticence after the event.

Your second post comes across horribly, to me anyway. Why would you want me to vote for you? If you're town, you'd want to convince me I'm wrong. I wasn't aggressive in my post, and I don't think I was rude (certainly much less than others have been in this thread). so rather than swearing, why not make a case? and if there is something you think I'd missed (ie the other ritoky game) then you could have at least linked to it and explained why my interpretation is wrong. You didn't do that.

Because if you are town, you would not be lazy enough yourself to build this "case" on me and find out for yourself. TL Mafia Database? profile my name? Unless you type at 120wpm you would have been able to find it in the time you took to write this.


Then you immediately transition to making a more substantive post, but without referencing my accusation that your posts aren't overly detailed. if I was wrong, you could have pointed out previous posts where you did (ie that I was wrong), but you didn't.

Finally, you say that you want me gone. But you don't actually give a reason. The natural town thing, if you want to get a Mafia lynched, is to make an argument that other townies might buy. But you didn't do that either.
*Bolded my replies in your quote so they are not missed*

In my latest posts I think I have shown it enough - your vote switch would stick out at me. If you want me to build a case on you, I'm down for that. I got allllll day.

Overall, your posts come across like you're panicking at having been called out.

The reason I haven't voted on you yet is because I also think TT is Mafia, and it seems like there's more chance of getting a coalition to vote him off for now. But if there isn't much movement in the next 12 hours or so, I'll vote for you - unless you turn it around and make a real case that you're town.


We both may be misguided on Tictock and he is mafia, but I'm really doubtful of it at this time. The only thing that makes me wonder is he is not TunnelTock like our last game, but that's not that important. He still gets a townread.

If you are actually town, beyond me, who would you like to lynch? Who do you see as the scumteam?
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 06 2015 23:04 GMT
#1198
"The reason I haven't voted on you yet is because I also think TT is Mafia, and it seems like there's more chance of getting a coalition to vote him off for now. But if there isn't much movement in the next 12 hours or so, I'll vote for you - unless you turn it around and make a real case that you're town."

You don't make a town case, you make a mafia case. You show you are town by your thoughts and words. I'd almost call this a slip.

Your hearts beating a little faster now isn't it?
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Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 06 2015 23:12 GMT
#1199
?
Fidei86
Profile Joined May 2015
United Kingdom2116 Posts
June 06 2015 23:37 GMT
#1200
I still think Onegu is a worthy policy lynch. I was reading a guide to forum Mafia on some wiki, and it said that it was common for towns to adopt a "lynch all lurkers" policy. Onegu still hasn't really contributed anything of value, really. It's totally impossible to get any read on someone who doesn't post anything substantive. I don't think the meta town read is sufficient to exonerate him. I saw he's moderating another game on the forums - he's surely smart enough to replicate his last town game as scum.

I have a town read on milo. I've also come round on Damdred and VE. They both got out in front of their wagons, and I don't think that it's usual Mafia play to do that. I also really liked Damdred's response to my last question. Mafia are usually (I understand) obsessed with getting things right and are wary of admitting mistakes. When I pointed out Damdred had two different reads on Chocolate, he admitted it straight up. That makes me think that he was posting an honest stream of conscience, which I don't think a Mafia would do.

I'm leaning towards Chocolate being town, a lot because his behaviour during the last EOD seemed really genuine.

As to SL's replacement, I'm null. It's too early still. I'm also not sure on Nymus. As for GG, I originally thought that he was scum leaning, as all his posts were just "I think you're town". But he's changed it up since then. I'm null on him too.

Also, yeah, my heart is going pretty quickly. Mafia is a hell of a lot more stressful than I thought it would be. I still feel awful for being the casting vote on KS. Being town and not knowing who to trust is giving me paranoia. It's fun, but once this game is over I think I'll need a break..
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