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I could defintely be toast tonight. Now that our only blue is gone, all the roles (Mafia GF/RB/etc) are pointless.
KS didn't like Damdred, he likes Nydus -
On June 05 2015 11:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 02:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Temp will you explain your Milo townread plz? It's been around since the beginning and you've never explained it, and I've been steadily pushing on milo since like 4 hours into the game. It seems to me like you'd have more of a read on me than "I don't find the Chocolate/VE interaction to be very telling" since I've been pushing on one of your stronger townreads. I suppose you're right I never did explain it (I thought I made a post on it but can't find it anyways). I sort of just read the way in which he was posting as genuinely honest I guess I thought I quoted the exact post where I 'townread him' but I guess I didn't. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 03:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like I expected GGTemplar to try and read me FIRST, because I'd say that of everyone here, he probably knows my play the best - I've mentored him in Video mafia and we've played together on All-Stars. But it's like he's been ignoring my posts...only interacting with me when I DEMAND his attention. It's really odd and plays into my mafia read on him.
It's kinda the opposite with Nydus, I didn't really expect Nydus to try and read me first considering we barely play together anymore and we haven't had many actual "post-game" interactions so-to-speak. But he read me relatively quickly (though he DID state reservation to reading me) and that kinda plays into my townread of him. I really like your analysis of my interaction with you this game it reads very townie to me if you're doing it as mafia you've done a great job replicating how I think you would feel as town. I have always been told I play very differently on the forum medium versus video medium of mafia. I also believe that, as a general rule, people are going to play differently across these medium and, at least with regards to how I scumhunt in both mediums, I believe 'tells' that you might have on one person in video-mafia and 'metareads' on a player aren't exactly the best way to read the game. I never considered myself to have a 'strong' read on you either in videomafia, sometimes I read you well, sometimes I don't. For that reason, if I am mafia and you are town, rather than attempt to fabricate an easy 'I think VE is town' read and go for a pocket, I merely avoided giving a read on you because, as I said before, I am largely uninterested in your push on Chocolate and don't really have a read on either of you from it. That being said, I am mildly inclined to believe you are town for the post quoted above. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 04:22 Kickstart wrote:
Well I am back, took me a bit to reread through the thread. :waves at Damdred:. Don't like Damdred railing on me at all and I still don't think he has given us what he promised earlier in the day, but I will save that for cycle 2.
Don't know how much time we have so I will make this quick, I actually really like GGT's posting and defense recently, and on the complete opposite end I think Chocolate's has been just terrible. It doesn't seem like there will be enough support for a milo vote, and I agree that while SL does seem off, there should be enough information to work with to go for someone else at the moment. I would just like to say that I don't like Onegus posting either, but I asked about it and everyone who has played with him tells me that this is normal from him, so I won't vote him today but if he continues like this I would never allow it to get towards the end of the game if this is all his posting is like. Also wan't to note that my two town reads are both on Chocolate, and that chocolate has put his vote on Onegu which will tell us nothing, which I find odd.
I posted my initial concerns on him earlier and like I said his defense of himself has not been good at all, I can explain more later if necessary.
##Unvote
##Vote: Chocolate Multiple people, including this now confirmed town and another strong town read of mine (ritoky) have now posted speaking very positively of my recent posting yet Tictock continues to insist that it 'doesn't make sense'. I readily assume that if this many people are capable of reacting positively to it while TT continues to insist a tentative read in regards to my push on him, wanting to push back on me, but having too many people speak positively of my posting, that it would be natural for a mafia to be inclined to feign 'confusion' rather than continue to 'tunnel back against me' or 'flop on me and read me as town'. Also, I would like to point out that in the end, my conclusion to townread Kickstarter was correct. I say this to promote the integrity of my reads so I can get other villagers to follow me when I say 'vote ticktock' and 'I will add kickstarter to my town list' so that you people stop lynching my townreads and I'm not the only one voting my scumread at EOD.
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On June 05 2015 12:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Actually sicklucker was voting on Tictock as well.
More reason to like him imo.
I am going to say based on Onegu's play and his push on damdred, one of them is likely mafia. The way Onegu is playing though there will not really be a way to get an accurate read on him, therefore it's going to be up to Damdred to project town to discern which of them is mafia.
That being said, I already made sure to do this in the vote thread so here it is here as well
##Vote: Tictock
You have played back in the day and this is a shit post.
On June 05 2015 12:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Just to make my logic a little more clear on the Onegu-Damdred situation since nothing else is happening -
Onegu is basically playing a game that is going to be very hard to discern his alignment. He probably has really strong reasons for thinking Damdred is mafia if Onegu is actually town (it would be nice if he could share these instead of just claiming 'amazing at this game').
So my logic can be summed up as 'onegu is likely town with very good reasons for thinking that Damdred is mafia and I have no read on Damdred despite the quantity of his posting so it more likely correct than not"
or
Onegu is just lazy mafia.
I know that isn't really a read but I've already given a bunch of reads and who I think should be lynched today (or preferably vigi-shot tbh, that is Tictock).
I would love for the vigi to shoot Tictock thank you.
You have not read the OP and knowledge that our only blue is dead already.
You have not won any points with your post here, BTW.
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On June 05 2015 12:52 NydusHerMain wrote:These are my thoughts on the last couple of pages because I came home late and have to go to sleep soon. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 06:27 Chocolate wrote:
I would have killed myself if there were time lol Seems like a really weak reaction to me. It doesn't really feel genuine at all. Also, I'm not sure about Chocolate but if I were getting potentially lynched and it was getting close to EoD, I would've constantly refreshed. I call BS on him not noticing the time and saying "I would have killed myself" because he posted his last words before the EoD was over. Also, if he truely had the intent of dying for the blue, he probably would have at least tried to vote even if it was exactly on EoD (which would probably have been too late) just incase but he didn't even try. [TL;DR: Chocolate was there to take the death for the team and he lied about sacrificing himself had he had more time With respect to Milo, people have already said this but I'm town reading the hell out of him now. Day 1 it was a light town read but his switch to a nonvote when the blue claimed solidifies him to my top town. The only doubt in my mind is if Chocolate flips as scum because the only reason for Milo to nonvote in my opinion is either he was panicking town or he was mafia with Chocolate and just didn't know what to do or knew that the blue was going to die by default anyways. Regardless, I'm tending to lead more super town on Milo and just going with Occam's razor on this. VE's reaction felt kind of fake to me right now as well BUT he did want to go on Chocolate over the blue AND on top of that, I'm kind of scared because everytime I read his posts, I read it in his voice and if he starts going on me... basically I don't want to see the torrential downpour of VE rage falling on me. (In all seriousness, I'm slightly reading him town for his earlier posts but in the case of my death, I do want people to keep a close eye on him). I'll have to reread filters when I wake up but for now, I had a scum read on onegu and damdred as well but I don't remember the reasons well enough to confidently explain why. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 06:49 Tictock wrote:On June 05 2015 06:39 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure why ritoky and myself should get all the blame? The logical,thing is if you are so scared you are getting lynched claim when there's time to parse the information.
My points had value, he did do questionable,things .
Tick immediately moving to discredit someone who steeped and the leader of the wagon is interesting Before I head out the door let me respond to this, kus it is pissing me off a little. First, I'm upset that you guys just got our jailkeep lynched. I stated time and time again that i was against it and tried to go against your push on him. Maybe you and ritoky aren't scum for starting the wagon on Kick, I get that. However this subtle deflection back to me when I just stated I was about to head out for awhile looks super shitty. You guys def deserve some blame for that lynch. I wasn't going to scum you for it, but I sure as hell scum you after posting that. I already thought Choco was scum. Why should I feel any different now? OHHH and don't get me started on TickTock's reaction. How did I miss that one. The fakest thing I've ever read in my life. I'm almost ready to vote on him instantly when the day starts off that. God, it's because the two letter acronyms are so confusing... TT, GG, SL, KS, VE, blah blah blah.... Templar also feels townier post EoD but I don't know if I can wipe his slate clean mentally after day 1... Actually, that's kind of a lie. He doesn't really feel townier to me but I like his reads so I'm just going to call him leaning town. He doesn't like damdred and onegu, he doesn't like ticktock, I just need him to say his stance on chocolate and I need it to be "chocolate is mafia we should lynch him." I'd say shame on you templar for voting on our blue but if you're town, I would've had you dead so either way one of us would be at fault. (P.S. say chocolate is scum and you'll have me in your pocket for the next 1-2 days) Honestly, it was kind of hard for me to follow this game and I could feel myself getting lurkier and lurkier but I think this blue kill got me all worked up. Despite how bad it is for us (is jailkeeper dying even that bad? is it a strong role?) it's pretty exciting and I think the game is really starting to move forward.
The second paragraph is crap - Kick announced at 59 after and nobody would have time to change their vote. I was suspicious of the unvote because who had both threads open at the time? Even my having the internet in 1992 linux skills and bolding in time I would not have been able to pull it off.
I do not like your coloring either.
Dumb town or try to hard scum.
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Nydus can you give us a list of your scum to town? You wasted time with the green/red, and I know that takes time to do so, so this won't ask for much.
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On June 05 2015 14:31 milo109 wrote:
Alright, looking back I think I've focused too much on defense and not enough time pushing my reads. Here's where I'm at
Chocolate Town
VE Mafia
I really don't want to get into that again. But I think that this is the way things do and should line up.
Other reads:
Ritocky is super town from the combination of both his activity level and the thought he puts into the game. I called him nitpicky earlier, but as the game goes on I appreciate the pressure he is putting on.
Nydus is a light town. I'm sorta getting a dimwit silly impression from him, and it seems hard to understand why mafia would want to fake that. I realllly don't like his last post though, so that bumped him down.
Fidei is town just for doing for the long, clear, and well-written way he conveys his thought processes. I've never felt jarred by of his logic.
Damdred is scum. His vote on Kickstart and the way he has been playing is so noncommital.
I still like Templar. You people don't understand his utterly dopey playstyle in video mafia. He plays here like he does there.
The problem with these reads is that means only one scum voted on Kickstart. And that's a real problem. I'll rethink this in the morning with my Onegu/Ticktock/Scott/New Guy sequel.
Maybe - Chocolate town? EZPZ read - scum don't like scumming anybody.
Rit super town? No, he's a light town.
I see Fidei's ideas of "if this one mafia, etc" but he could be coached that as well, do not see any of it.
## Chocolate / Milo / (one of my pocketed vets, Ritoky/VE/Damdred) with a lean on Damdred. Damdred is playing his shit game, at least Onegu is pulling more off. I'm about 85% sure one of these are mafia, a slight lean on two.
Ritoky looks a lot better then the other two, but worry when none of them die Day 3, check them out again.
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On June 05 2015 12:52 NydusHerMain wrote:These are my thoughts on the last couple of pages because I came home late and have to go to sleep soon. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 06:27 Chocolate wrote:
I would have killed myself if there were time lol Seems like a really weak reaction to me. It doesn't really feel genuine at all. Also, I'm not sure about Chocolate but if I were getting potentially lynched and it was getting close to EoD, I would've constantly refreshed. I call BS on him not noticing the time and saying "I would have killed myself" because he posted his last words before the EoD was over. Also, if he truely had the intent of dying for the blue, he probably would have at least tried to vote even if it was exactly on EoD (which would probably have been too late) just incase but he didn't even try. TL;DR: Chocolate was there to take the death for the team and he lied about sacrificing himself had he had more time With respect to Milo, people have already said this but I'm town reading the hell out of him now. Day 1 it was a light town read but his switch to a nonvote when the blue claimed solidifies him to my top town. The only doubt in my mind is if Chocolate flips as scum because the only reason for Milo to nonvote in my opinion is either he was panicking town or he was mafia with Chocolate and just didn't know what to do or knew that the blue was going to die by default anyways. Regardless, I'm tending to lead more super town on Milo and just going with Occam's razor on this. VE's reaction felt kind of fake to me right now as well BUT he did want to go on Chocolate over the blue AND on top of that, I'm kind of scared because everytime I read his posts, I read it in his voice and if he starts going on me... basically I don't want to see the torrential downpour of VE rage falling on me. (In all seriousness, I'm slightly reading him town for his earlier posts but in the case of my death, I do want people to keep a close eye on him). I'll have to reread filters when I wake up but for now, I had a scum read on onegu and damdred as well but I don't remember the reasons well enough to confidently explain why. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 06:49 Tictock wrote:On June 05 2015 06:39 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure why ritoky and myself should get all the blame? The logical,thing is if you are so scared you are getting lynched claim when there's time to parse the information.
My points had value, he did do questionable,things .
Tick immediately moving to discredit someone who steeped and the leader of the wagon is interesting Before I head out the door let me respond to this, kus it is pissing me off a little. First, I'm upset that you guys just got our jailkeep lynched. I stated time and time again that i was against it and tried to go against your push on him. Maybe you and ritoky aren't scum for starting the wagon on Kick, I get that. However this subtle deflection back to me when I just stated I was about to head out for awhile looks super shitty. You guys def deserve some blame for that lynch. I wasn't going to scum you for it, but I sure as hell scum you after posting that. I already thought Choco was scum. Why should I feel any different now? OHHH and don't get me started on TickTock's reaction. How did I miss that one. The fakest thing I've ever read in my life. I'm almost ready to vote on him instantly when the day starts off that. God, it's because the two letter acronyms are so confusing... TT, GG, SL, KS, VE, blah blah blah.... Templar also feels townier post EoD but I don't know if I can wipe his slate clean mentally after day 1... Actually, that's kind of a lie. He doesn't really feel townier to me but I like his reads so I'm just going to call him leaning town. He doesn't like damdred and onegu, he doesn't like ticktock, I just need him to say his stance on chocolate and I need it to be "chocolate is mafia we should lynch him." I'd say shame on you templar for voting on our blue but if you're town, I would've had you dead so either way one of us would be at fault. (P.S. say chocolate is scum and you'll have me in your pocket for the next 1-2 days) Honestly, it was kind of hard for me to follow this game and I could feel myself getting lurkier and lurkier but I think this blue kill got me all worked up. Despite how bad it is for us (is jailkeeper dying even that bad? is it a strong role?) it's pretty exciting and I think the game is really starting to move forward.
I'm pretty confident you wouldn't stick yourself out with this coloring as scum. 65% or so - But you have played here before back in the day and you and milo failed to vote.
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I'll have this game solved night two/day three if you do not kill me tonight anyway
GG
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And Onegu needs to do some towny good Day two as well if he is town. He only gets a pass Day One.
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11:30pm - thoughts
One of VE/Damred/Ritoky is mafia, maybe two. VE pocketed me early, a little too early. I'm suspicious of him.
Ritoky is playing really well if he is mafia, better then what I have read. I really want to town read him, but, see above.
Onegu is a meta town read - Needs to show up D2/D3 - which he normally does.
GG Is a town read, and maybe ritoky is throwing my chain, but I got lynched in Newbie X D1 for the same reasons. Keep an eye out - like I mentioned, when Day three comes and they are not dead, start to worry.
Chocolate I have not liked since the start - and maybe mafia moved their votes to protect their guy - It's too early to tell. I still do not like him - still scummy
Ritoky - I really like his thoughts and I want him to be town so we can win - I have seen his play before as well though confusing us - and Kickstart saw it a little bit as well - Another D3 worry - I want to like him though.
Fidei86 - crap.
Milo - crap.
TicTock - He improved his game a lot if he rolled scum this time. We talked back and forth and I think he's town. Day 4 then be worried.
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Damdred posts a lot of null/blah shit when he's mafia (or town) and it's hard to distinguish which side he's on. He's more of a busser (votes for his mafia peeps) - And doesn't want to take a stance so it'll mess up his "meta" for future games.
VE is a little more aggressive as town but to be honest he's a tough one to read as well. He has more of a hard-on as mafia. I do not see that as of yet.
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They worry about they are read for this game instead of for the game in the future that may or may not happen.
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I meant the other way around, but you get the idea.
Going to sleep now.
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On June 06 2015 10:33 Onegu wrote:
Chezniu rule is what is about to apply to me. And we are going to us it to get our lynch today on Shendelzare. Basicly it means I play so randomly that who wants push my lynch is scum. Chez rule is first to call him scum. Onegu rule is people continuing to push his lynch.
##Vote Shendelzare
Milo would be a ok vote also. Willing to vote either.
You haven't been reading the thread have you? Milo is probably confirmed with his unvote, I see very little reason to scum plan that - and with Ritoky confirmed town (Wuf you man) I do not know why you going for Milo - or even Shen.
On June 06 2015 10:58 Damdred wrote:
Why did both of you suddenly drop your scum reads on damdred?
tick built a case on me and oneg was so sure I was scum he single voted on me.
Neither of you are pushing me now when... Nothing had happened
This post is another stir the pot bullshit and I do not like it. You have me shit on my meta read post earlier. Yes your play is so generic as either side and not willing to help town when you are actually town.
TicTock gets tunneled as town and he may be trying to switch it up, but I was right on KS when you all thought he was scum, and look - I was right. I don't make great cases but I read people decently. I've read text since my BBS days in the 80's and that's what I like about this game, read text and find out who is lying. IRC I read people well, figured this game would be fun too. It is 
Milo isn't the lynch today with the unvote. There's no way that could've been planed, and I'll listen to my dead Ritoky bud.
Fidei and his walls of text still annoys me.
GGTemplar fought back on my drunk typing and looks slightly better.
I'm tired of people not reading the OP.
VE gave me shit and fell off -
On June 05 2015 21:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
scott can you level your accusation at me ONE more time? You say that I "pocketed" you early? Can you maybe go through that one for me? You say you're suspicious of me. Tell me why.
I'm just suspicious of you, I know you are a good player, and fell off again like Onegu. But tonight Onegu gets my vote.
On June 04 2015 23:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here's where I'm sitting currently:
Town:
ritoky
scott
Nydus
Kickstart
Fidei
Ticktock
Won't Lynch Today / I WANNA say town, but I just can't yet for some reason:
Damdred
Onegu
People I'd probably lynch in spite of them probably being spewed town:
sicklucker
People I'm looking at filters right now to decide if I think they are the lynch today instead of Chocolate:
GGTemplar
People I'd lynch remorselessly:
Chocolate
milo
People I'll worry about later:
Everyone else.
This looks good and is most of my thoughts as well.  I just felt you may have been trying to pocket me for a town lean - and if you are scum, it worked, but I am doubtful you are at this time.
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## Damdred / Chocolate / Fidei86
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Yep I voted Onegu but I just need some love from him.
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On June 06 2015 12:52 Damdred wrote:
So let me get this straight, you e played like one game with me and think you can mets read me and have a firm grasp of my game?
But your meta read is that I don't help town as either alignment that's bullshit Scott, total bullshit.
How about a read list then and stop the defending?
Onegu still sucks Day 2, you want to vote/lynch him?
Who would you like to lynch?
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And don't pull no rsoul BS "I've already posted it are you blind"
Just please repost.
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You mean your vote list analysis? I checked it out.
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We'll say you are town - but you did a nice VCA in that one game and it was for shit.
Who would you like to lynch?
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Sorry man, I'm just pretty paranoid about you, forgive me.
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Do you think I would pressure you if I was scum, or instead ride the town read you gave me?
So cute.
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