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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 16 2015 20:41 GMT
#2321
Hello?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 16 2015 20:42 GMT
#2322
@VE
Ah yea that post. Pretty sure I was townreading scott from it as well at that point in time. He was the first person to spell out the Chez rule for me and I agreed that GG was looking really scummy that day.

I probably would have been townreading scott going into D4 as well if it weren't for his posts N3 and the case Damdred brought up on him.

Do you disagree with the points I raised in this post? or the follow up post?

I was surprised I found as much scummy stuff as I did in his filter, but maybe I was getting confirmation bias since I was kinda looking for scummy posts.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 16 2015 20:44 GMT
#2323
Like I'm sorry, but one post that looks towny doesn't convince me I might be wrong about scott...
I can take that responsibility.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 20:44 GMT
#2324
On June 17 2015 05:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2015 14:18 scott31337 wrote:
On June 04 2015 09:39 Tictock wrote:
Ok, took me longer to get back to this game than I thought thanks to a rough day at work, bit disappointing that there has only been ~4 new pages in the thread though, activity seemed better right at the start.

Couple of things that I wanted to respond to right away, before I reread the thread and start putting together more solid reads for EoD.

On June 04 2015 00:35 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On June 03 2015 16:19 Tictock wrote:
Was just checking in before bed, game has been somewhat dead past few hours, so I'll just leave a few of my thoughts.

GG is my top scum right now. No questions. Was expecting him to at least react to my response or something...

I'm unsure of Damdred, though he's earning town points in my book for reacting the same way I did to GG.

I'd really like to hear from Onegu and def need to see more out of Scott. I hate to say it but scott could be scum atm. I've seen him lynched D1 twice now, when he was town he was active until he got tunneled and when he was scum he posted very much like he's doing this game. Quick little reads and short response posts. Also half his posts atm are just stating facts, nothing game relevant.

Milo does look kinda scummy but I'm not sure yet, I'd like to see more out of him. Right now I cant tell if he is actually scum or if he just looks out of place because he isn't used to this style of mafia. His frustration over being insta-scummed by several people is understandable, especially being new here.


Could you restate your response please?


GG, dude, it's D1 and your already asking me to repost/restate stuff I've said? It's not a long thread to read yet, and my filter is def not that long... Besides, shouldn't you be paying attn to my posts more than anyone's if your scum reading me?
On June 04 2015 04:45 scott31337 wrote:
On June 03 2015 09:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote:

On June 03 2015 06:05 sicklucker wrote:
##Vote Tictock I feel morally ok policy voting in non newbie games untill he proves hes town


My gut tells me the specific diction you chose with regards to being 'morally' okay with it inclines me to believe you are townie.

On June 03 2015 06:17 Tictock wrote:
In regards to kicks question.

I am pretty new to TL forums. Have played in 2 of the newbie games (the 2 most recent ones, including the ongoing one).

I see a few familiar names, but most of you I don't know... and am HIGHLY suspicious of...

And of course I know SL, who I may have to ignore. I apologize in advance if I start tunneling him, I have a tendency to do that.


I think your intentional emphasis on the fact that you are 'HIGHLY' suspicious of people is scum-indicative. You are making sure we all know you are 'suspicious' of people, aka have imperfect information aka are town. A very roundabout and subtle way to go about telling people you are town.

I think this is an excellent policy vote.

##Vote Tictock

He never actually voted in the voting thread, but this looks like a Chezinu rule vote to me - A misguided understanding of a fairly new guy - when town would be afraid to vote so early but scum wants to start a easy ML.

@Scott,
I'm not familiar with the bolded term, mind elaborating?

I agree that this completely looks like a scum play to me. He's mimiking a vote already on me, his reasons for voting me aren't bad per say but they are far from solid. GG dropped into the game and just made that read without trying to interact with me and ignored my response to him + Show Spoiler +
and I have to assume any of my other posts, I'm active enough that you should be able to expand on that read on me by now
. I know I've been guilty of doing the former, but I've always been on the lookout for responses from people I'm putting pressure one. GG is not even bothering to look for my responses to him, and acting like I still need prove something to him. I def feel like I'm being slow pushed here for no reason, total scum move.

##Vote: GGTeMpLaR


The Chezinu Rule has always been true in teamliquid. I've used this rule many times and it has never failed me. Of course, this is my first time playing forum mafia outside of teamliquid. I'm quite renowned there and I expected to be taken strange here with my unique play style. If you are town, please read up on the Chezinu Rule on teamliquid.

What is the rule?

The rule is that the first person who doesn't know Chezinu to vote Chezinu is mafia.

Why the rule works?

I have a very unique playing style that I can't help. I tried many times over the years to play like everyone else, but it just fails. So what happens is in the beginning of each game with new players, they find me strange. Since they can't read me, they accuse me. But MAFIA has always been the first to accuse as a townie wouldn't have as much confidence. To mafia, I am an easy target.


It was not exactly the Chezinu rule, but on the same idea. A confusing/cryptic town Chezinu is voted as an easy target. I see GG's vote on a easy target and the first one.

On June 04 2015 10:57 Kickstart wrote:
Took a nap cause I was feeling like shit and moody, probably came through in my posting. Lots of people have taken issue with my Nydus town read. I just want to say again that it was hastily done and I just said it off the top of my head because people were pressuring me to give more town reads (which again I don't find fair since I gave them, but people are greedy and wanted more and I reacted badly). It can be ignored and I have tried to explain why it happened, I will have to reevaluate him later but like I said I would probably not lynch him at the moment.


I saw you as a slight town read when most of the people are reading you scummy, but I did not need to defend myself for it. I was seeing you in a different point of view then others (you've brought up some good points, do not seem to be afraid to post, etc.) This post seems pressured to me though.

On June 04 2015 11:23 Kickstart wrote:
On June 04 2015 11:17 Chocolate wrote:
On June 04 2015 10:57 Kickstart wrote:
Took a nap cause I was feeling like shit and moody, probably came through in my posting. Lots of people have taken issue with my Nydus town read. I just want to say again that it was hastily done and I just said it off the top of my head because people were pressuring me to give more town reads (which again I don't find fair since I gave them, but people are greedy and wanted more and I reacted badly). It can be ignored and I have tried to explain why it happened, I will have to reevaluate him later but like I said I would probably not lynch him at the moment.

this post is scummy as hell and just screams to me that you're just trying to survive

If that is what you think then fine, I messed up and admitted it and can't change it now. I did retract it almost immediately though. You sure you not just looking for something to jump on? I'm far from just trying to survive.

Can't help but feel you and others have this convenient manufactured surprise and outrage at me.


Well you already got called out on it.

How do you feel about Chocolate? I wasn't liking him too much until he also saw how bad this post was.

On June 04 2015 11:58 Chocolate wrote:
On June 04 2015 11:32 Tictock wrote:
Ok last thing I was wanting to reread and look at for now. This whole VE, Chocolate, and Milo thing.

VE struck me as town pretty easily, prob something I need to recheck but I'm prob going to go with it today. Not sure I like how tunneled he seems to be. He made one post which looked like he was willing to drop it, but now he seems to be right back on Chocolate like he's peanut butter or something... + Show Spoiler +
Sorry, that was weak. I'll stop trying to be funny...


As for choclate himself, he''s kinda just OMGUS right back at VE. Milo isn't going this route, but he is clearly frustrated by the whole thing...

My personal opinion is that that all 3 are probably town here and are just over reacting to a rather stupid "he's afk" comment. I don't expect anything fruitful to come from this interaction.

This post in Chocolate's filter caught my eye though...
On June 03 2015 10:41 Chocolate wrote:
I don't play forum mafia very much but I don't like the idea of having town reads. To me that seems somewhat counter-productive since at this point any player could be town. It's easy for a scum player to post in a "town-friendly" way (which is I think a reiteration of the "tryhard" vibe). I believe it would be much more productive for people to look for scum reads than to try to identify people as town

@ VE do you have any opinions about people other than me and milo


At first that sounds reasonable, but then I have to stop and think. Isn't it just as easy, or beneficial, for Mafia to be putting a lot of scum onto people? Also for someone who is putting alot of emphasis on scum reads being important I can't help but look at his list of people he'd like to lynch.

On June 03 2015 23:30 Chocolate wrote:
Scott
VE
Onegu
GG

I would pick Scott as my #1


2 people who were not very present in the game, VE, and GG. I can't find a read on GG from Choco in his filter at all, so really VE is his only real read here. That doesn't seem like very decent scum reads to me from a guy who is stressing their importance.

@ Choco
I see your more active atm. Care to update us on your scum reads?


VE for previously stated reasons, it isn't purely an OMGUS though of course that is probably it to a large extent

KS I'm beginning to think is a bit fishier but it's a small hunch

I have a very hard time reading damdred , you, and ritoky. Admittedly I kinda have a hard time reading the newer players too (because I subconsciously associate posts with icons lol) but tomorrow I'm going to go through them all again

Onegu has pretty much been a shitposter so far which I don't like and don't think is good for town

As for not liking town reads, for me it's because anyone I don't think is scum I am leaning towards null or town on (in which case I wouldn't want to lynch them). It can also restrict thinking - we need to, and do, change who we think may be scum somewhat frequently. With town, since calling a given poster town is usually held to less scrutiny, we can let that label linger and it can affect our reads

[to everyone] Don't be offended if I call you or something you did scummy especially on the first day. There's very little to work on and since I don't think calling people town is productive I don't make a lot of friends


I see this as Onegu's town game. He tries much harder as mafia and likes rolling mafia - but we can agree to disagree for now. He'll show some more when he feels the need.

GG still has not impressed me.
SL may sincerely be unmotivated due to the other game, but he really needs to kick it up.
Chocolate had the same idea as me while I was reading the thread, which I like. He moves up a little now.
I like Damdred, Ritoky, VE
Onegu is a meta read slight town


Would lynch
GG
Fidei86

##Vote: GGTemplar

This is the post - I hard townread him based on this post becase of A) the way he explains his thought process and B) the fact that his townreads aligned with mine at the time.


I wasn't sure what point you wanted me to point out - When I wrote this post, I did have a feeling one of the mafia were pocketing me for an easy townread, and it did have me a little paranoid when you had your "ride or die townread" of you - which of course I was feeling good about, but I still had a little paranoid that one of the mafia was pocketing me. A little of it was WIFOM (When Ritoky died) but it was a gut feeling at the time.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 20:45 GMT
#2325
Which post TT?
this one?

On June 13 2015 05:32 scott31337 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 04:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm now evaluating a world in which BOTH Damdred AND Ticktock are tryharding as mafia and I'm just fucking retarded.

Please standby.


Please do check this option. I mean I am thinking about this game, but I do not see swaying Onegu from his vote -I could probably get NHM to change it, but that just leaves too many options for scum. The other wagon is me. I am town.

THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 20:46 GMT
#2326
Your link isn't working properly.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 16 2015 20:48 GMT
#2327
Sorry Posted the wrong link.

On June 17 2015 05:42 Tictock wrote:
@VE
Ah yea that post. Pretty sure I was townreading scott from it as well at that point in time. He was the first person to spell out the Chez rule for me and I agreed that GG was looking really scummy that day.

I probably would have been townreading scott going into D4 as well if it weren't for his posts N3 and the case Damdred brought up on him.

Do you disagree with the points I raised in this post? or the follow up post?

I was surprised I found as much scummy stuff as I did in his filter, but maybe I was getting confirmation bias since I was kinda looking for scummy posts.



Should be this one
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486008-holy-guardians-chapter-1?page=97#1937
I can take that responsibility.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 20:49 GMT
#2328
Oh I see.
On June 13 2015 08:33 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 06:20 scott31337 wrote:
VE is the one I'm most in doubt of. But the other two I'm pretty confident of now - TT should be dead and he's not. After the three mislynches he went after me But if that's the case, there's a mafia on me and can last minute switch anyway and it's over.

I've always had mixed emotions about yourself.


Sure I went after you.

Has nothing to do with me trying to follow Onegu's thinking about Damdred. Reading Damdred's filter and coming to my own conclusion that he is town.

Also has nothing to do with how you claimed you want to sheep me after I made these two posts. Which since you now bring up that I was on multiple (2 btw) mislynches seems like an odd thing to want to do. Unless it was an attempt to pocket me. I has been reading Onegu as town most of this game as well as made a case on Damdred early on when he irked me after EoD. You prob figured I'd fall in line and lynch him next.

Also this post, where you are almost conditionally voting based on the night kill... wth was that?

You say we should dismiss those posts kus you were messing around while drinking... sounds to me more like your trying to cover up your drunken slips since you felt like you had this game won.

I'm gunna have to find some of those fabled Town Rainbows in your filter for me to reconsider my vote.


There's nothing I can say I have not already about my drunken fail post I have not already, I was frustrated at the game at the time. A regret that won't happen in the future. I'm asking you to dismiss them, but not make the wagon on me D4 off of one post.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 20:52 GMT
#2329
I'll try to defend what I can in a couple minutes -

When no body defends on a lynch - it's most of the time town. GG kind of buried himself with his defense though - but yes, It's concerning any one on a lynch when no one will defend him.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 20:53 GMT
#2330
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 16 2015 20:53 GMT
#2331
On June 17 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote:
Oh I see.
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:33 Tictock wrote:
On June 13 2015 06:20 scott31337 wrote:
VE is the one I'm most in doubt of. But the other two I'm pretty confident of now - TT should be dead and he's not. After the three mislynches he went after me But if that's the case, there's a mafia on me and can last minute switch anyway and it's over.

I've always had mixed emotions about yourself.


Sure I went after you.

Has nothing to do with me trying to follow Onegu's thinking about Damdred. Reading Damdred's filter and coming to my own conclusion that he is town.

Also has nothing to do with how you claimed you want to sheep me after I made these two posts. Which since you now bring up that I was on multiple (2 btw) mislynches seems like an odd thing to want to do. Unless it was an attempt to pocket me. I has been reading Onegu as town most of this game as well as made a case on Damdred early on when he irked me after EoD. You prob figured I'd fall in line and lynch him next.

Also this post, where you are almost conditionally voting based on the night kill... wth was that?

You say we should dismiss those posts kus you were messing around while drinking... sounds to me more like your trying to cover up your drunken slips since you felt like you had this game won.

I'm gunna have to find some of those fabled Town Rainbows in your filter for me to reconsider my vote.


There's nothing I can say I have not already about my drunken fail post I have not already, I was frustrated at the game at the time. A regret that won't happen in the future. I'm asking you to dismiss them, but not make the wagon on me D4 off of one post.

Oh, the wagon boils down to ONE POST does it?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 16 2015 20:55 GMT
#2332
On June 17 2015 05:49 scott31337 wrote:
Oh I see.
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 08:33 Tictock wrote:
On June 13 2015 06:20 scott31337 wrote:
VE is the one I'm most in doubt of. But the other two I'm pretty confident of now - TT should be dead and he's not. After the three mislynches he went after me But if that's the case, there's a mafia on me and can last minute switch anyway and it's over.

I've always had mixed emotions about yourself.


Sure I went after you.

Has nothing to do with me trying to follow Onegu's thinking about Damdred. Reading Damdred's filter and coming to my own conclusion that he is town.

Also has nothing to do with how you claimed you want to sheep me after I made these two posts. Which since you now bring up that I was on multiple (2 btw) mislynches seems like an odd thing to want to do. Unless it was an attempt to pocket me. I has been reading Onegu as town most of this game as well as made a case on Damdred early on when he irked me after EoD. You prob figured I'd fall in line and lynch him next.

Also this post, where you are almost conditionally voting based on the night kill... wth was that?

You say we should dismiss those posts kus you were messing around while drinking... sounds to me more like your trying to cover up your drunken slips since you felt like you had this game won.

I'm gunna have to find some of those fabled Town Rainbows in your filter for me to reconsider my vote.


There's nothing I can say I have not already about my drunken fail post I have not already, I was frustrated at the game at the time. A regret that won't happen in the future. I'm asking you to dismiss them, but not make the wagon on me D4 off of one post.


Yea... it wasn't ONE post...

It was several posts that gave me the willies.

It was the case made by Damdred.

It was my filter dive on Damdred that had me convinced he was town.

It was my filter dive on Scott that convinced me he is Mafia.

So yea, 5 min to go, time to watch Scott flip red I think

I can take that responsibility.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 20:56 GMT
#2333
On June 05 2015 15:40 scott31337 wrote:
11:30pm - thoughts

One of VE/Damred/Ritoky is mafia, maybe two. VE pocketed me early, a little too early. I'm suspicious of him.
Ritoky is playing really well if he is mafia, better then what I have read. I really want to town read him, but, see above.
Onegu is a meta town read - Needs to show up D2/D3 - which he normally does.
GG Is a town read, and maybe ritoky is throwing my chain, but I got lynched in Newbie X D1 for the same reasons. Keep an eye out - like I mentioned, when Day three comes and they are not dead, start to worry.
Chocolate I have not liked since the start - and maybe mafia moved their votes to protect their guy - It's too early to tell. I still do not like him - still scummy
Ritoky - I really like his thoughts and I want him to be town so we can win - I have seen his play before as well though confusing us - and Kickstart saw it a little bit as well - Another D3 worry - I want to like him though.
Fidei86 - crap.
Milo - crap.
TicTock - He improved his game a lot if he rolled scum this time. We talked back and forth and I think he's town. Day 4 then be worried.

Crap doesn't mean they were scum - I should've put null instead of "crap" - doesn't mean I was scumreading the whole team - and yes I did put out for you "D4 be worried!" it has come true. Call it instincts.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 20:57 GMT
#2334
That videos for you VE, BTW.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 20:57 GMT
#2335
You rethought the game after you were tunneled and that's all I could ask.
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milo109
Profile Joined May 2015
466 Posts
June 16 2015 20:58 GMT
#2336
The problem there is the lack of NHM read and the light Onegu read Scott. Back by the way.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
June 16 2015 20:58 GMT
#2337
On June 17 2015 05:57 scott31337 wrote:
That videos for you VE, BTW.

Thx pal. Like, I didn't think you WOULD be mad at me - I feel like my suspicion has been well voiced and justified - but it's good to know that if I'm wrong, there's no hard feelings.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 21:00 GMT
#2338
No worries. GG
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 21:00 GMT
#2339
WP Milo & TT
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 21:01 GMT
#2340
Onegu could've helped a bit more (or showed a bit more towny at the beginning) would've helped, but, can't change the past, have to LET IT GO
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