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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 18 2015 23:33 GMT
#401
and...why shining and zealos when you want obi and palmar gone?
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 18 2015 23:35 GMT
#402
OK I've changed my mind.

##unvote
##vote shoCkeyy

shoCkeyy if you want to convince me you're town, I need to clearly understand who you think is mafia and why.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 18 2015 23:37 GMT
#403
He asked me a hypothetical question and I gave him a hypothetical answer.

I think Palmar or Obi are mafia. If Palmar flips mafia, GB is mafia and Obi is just bandwagoning. If Obi flips mafia, then Palmar is mafia, GB is town. That is my current thought process.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 18 2015 23:38 GMT
#404
That's nonsensical though, that's like saying if I flip mafia scib is mafia because we are thread bros.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 18 2015 23:39 GMT
#405
Or they can all be mafia and have you guys thinking none of them are mafia. It's hard to even try to say any more than that - the lack of participation in this thread is astonishing.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 18 2015 23:40 GMT
#406
On May 19 2015 08:38 Damdred wrote:
That's nonsensical though, that's like saying if I flip mafia scib is mafia because we are thread bros.


How is it nonsensical when all their posts line up to them being on a team?
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 18 2015 23:44 GMT
#407
Pre flip associations are really bad, if any of them are scum it wont' be because there postings line up or one is sheeping the other.

For another you are completely ignoring the reasons why GB is town.

The level of mafia play is really high now adays sometimes you get a really bad team, but distancing from yoru team mates is extremely encouraged at points, so that you can't do associative reads.

Like honestly theres nothing in there postings that directly point to them being on a team besides them being close together on voting.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 18 2015 23:47 GMT
#408
On May 19 2015 08:37 ShoCkeyy wrote:
He asked me a hypothetical question and I gave him a hypothetical answer.

I think Palmar or Obi are mafia.

1)If Palmar flips mafia, GB is mafia and Obi is just bandwagoning.
2)If Obi flips mafia, then Palmar is mafia, GB is town.


Dude this doesn't make any sense. If you are town, really think about what you are saying here.

According to premise 1: if Palmar is mafia, then GB has to be mafia. Let's assume that is true.

Now in scenario 2 where Obi flips mafia, Palmar is mafia and GB is town. This is logically inconsistent with premise 1, which states that if Palmar is mafia, then GB has to be mafia.

Like imagine both Obi and Palmar are mafia. Now what you are essentially saying is that GB is mafia if and only if we lynch Palmar before Obi, which doesn't make any sense.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 18 2015 23:50 GMT
#409
On May 19 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:
Pre flip associations are really bad, if any of them are scum it wont' be because there postings line up or one is sheeping the other.

For another you are completely ignoring the reasons why GB is town.

The level of mafia play is really high now adays sometimes you get a really bad team, but distancing from yoru team mates is extremely encouraged at points, so that you can't do associative reads.

Like honestly theres nothing in there postings that directly point to them being on a team besides them being close together on voting.


What is it about his posts that make you think he's not mafia and/or associated with Palmar?

This still doesn't change my vote from Palmar. I just find it suspicious that he hasn't been around, throw his vote based on GB's with out having much to say in regards. Obviously he mentioned he'll follow GB's post afterwards, at least Shining who apparently is heading to ER has time to post.
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sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 18 2015 23:53 GMT
#410
On May 19 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:
Pre flip associations are really bad, if any of them are scum it wont' be because there postings line up or one is sheeping the other.

For another you are completely ignoring the reasons why GB is town.

The level of mafia play is really high now adays sometimes you get a really bad team, but distancing from yoru team mates is extremely encouraged at points, so that you can't do associative reads.

Like honestly theres nothing in there postings that directly point to them being on a team besides them being close together on voting.


@Damdred
I agree with this, but before I even start to criticize his beliefs, I want his beliefs to be internally consistent. For now I would be happy if he could just state a consistent set of beliefs, even if I don't agree with some or all of them.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 19 2015 00:01 GMT
#411
On May 19 2015 08:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:
Pre flip associations are really bad, if any of them are scum it wont' be because there postings line up or one is sheeping the other.

For another you are completely ignoring the reasons why GB is town.

The level of mafia play is really high now adays sometimes you get a really bad team, but distancing from yoru team mates is extremely encouraged at points, so that you can't do associative reads.

Like honestly theres nothing in there postings that directly point to them being on a team besides them being close together on voting.


What is it about his posts that make you think he's not mafia and/or associated with Palmar?

This still doesn't change my vote from Palmar. I just find it suspicious that he hasn't been around, throw his vote based on GB's with out having much to say in regards. Obviously he mentioned he'll follow GB's post afterwards, at least Shining who apparently is heading to ER has time to post.


I've given my thoughts in my filter a few posts ago on GB in detail why I think hes town.

I don't think Palmar has anything to do honestly with GBs alignment.

Of course its suspicious that palmar hasn't been around but its weird that you are spending more of your time talking about Palmar and voting Palmar when your strongest suspicion is in fact GB, and he really didn't say he would follow GB he took a jab at GB being bad.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 19 2015 00:15 GMT
#412
What? These were your only thoughts on GB

On May 18 2015 12:34 Damdred wrote:

GB is kinda weird now though idk what he's doing


On May 19 2015 00:01 Damdred wrote:
Good you now think the towniest person in the thread is town, nice.

Anyeay I don't think GB is mafia just a town


You never explained why you thought he was town.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 19 2015 00:17 GMT
#413
On May 19 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote:
Palmar don't leave, you are sure i'm mafia so why not chat </3.

Anyway, I don't think Mafia!Palmar and Mafia!GB would so closely align themselves this early by voting as they are doing like you are implying. For example even though GBs reads don't make sense all fo the time they are there and he is taking a firm stance in the thread and trying to guide it to a better spot that he feels it should be in.

Also has the 2nd biggest filter at this time I believe, and even though hes dealthy wrong on me he seems to be looking in the general right direction and re-evaluating almost all of the time. And isn't dropping questions and not really following up, it just all looks really towny.

So you really need to walk me through this shockey and why you can't do anything when obi and Palmar are still alive. It doesn't make sense to me


....please read
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 19 2015 00:21 GMT
#414
So, because he has the most posts and they won't team up because "he doesn't play like that" makes him immediately town? Lol. Great basis. You never know he may be guiding it into the hands of the mafia.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 19 2015 00:24 GMT
#415
Actually its a general heuristic that the person with the most posts or one of the biggest filters and is involved in everything is generally town and shouldn't be lynched day 1. Besides a select few players who are the best at being mafia it is a good general rule of thumb.

I'm giving you excellent advice of how mafia teams generally work, if you get one you do not want to be lined up and super associated or else the entire team will go down in quick succession and the game will be lost.

Also constant re-evaluation and involved in everything is a highly sought after town role, and this is so much town for gb that its not even funny.

You also ignore a lot of points just to make a joke out of a couple of points. You don't even think GB is mafia as you have said so i'm not sure why you are making light of what i'm saying.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 19 2015 00:24 GMT
#416
ShoCkeyy can you respond to my previous post please?
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 19 2015 00:42 GMT
#417
On May 19 2015 08:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:
If you were a town, I'd be going after Shining or Zealous, but it doesn't look that way to me as of yet.


Let's get this further.

Why?
I'm adorable.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 19 2015 00:58 GMT
#418
I'd like to change the topic until he comes back and answers, Shining came into the thread and gave some posts that I feel were really alignment indicative for him, and there were three rapid fire townings on shining.

Damdred
GB
Obi

Mine is completely meta based that I would be willing to talk about.

I would like obi and gb to go into their shining reads I think and talk a bit about it, I think gb is town but Obis is a bit strange I think.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 19 2015 01:14 GMT
#419
On May 19 2015 04:26 The Shining wrote:
Shining doesn't play very actively at all on Mondays/Tuesdays. He plays at work and doesn't work Mondays/Tuesdays. Check any game I've been in in the past and it's a pre-game excuse, I didn't realize D1 would land squarely on my days off.

Also, I'm dying, literally, and I'm omw to the ER. Good thing is, I'll have my phone there so I'll catch up and put out some reads tonight.

Also I haven't really read up to date, just skimmed, so if I come back to the policy lynch train, I don't really mind or care. Hopefully I won't die tonight and will be able to come back lmao. /darkhumor

+ Show Spoiler +
All jokes aside, though, I really am town. Should my condition get any worse tonight, I'll just replace out to keep the game fair for my fellow townies and give you a shot to win <3


On May 19 2015 04:31 The Shining wrote:
Fck it, I'll just keep posting until I get where I'm going.

Stutters, why would you point out we've been in 3 recent games together, call me out saying I "should know" you don't D1 and that you're a bad policy lynch, and then turn around and do pretty much the same to me? If I "should know" you and your D1, you "should know" I open every game just talking shit and defensive to anyone who so breathes my way as town on D1. You should also know I don't play much on Mondays/Tuesdays, similar to your "I dont play weekends" excuse that you said I also "should know."

So why the hell do standards for me reading you apply due to past games but you don't apply to the same standards? Seems like a shit attempt at trying to scum me for things I've done in all of my town games, to varying degrees.


Damdred, these couple of posts felt really genuine. I don
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 19 2015 01:17 GMT
#420
EBWOP (I pressed "space" and the computer posted this LOL):

On May 19 2015 04:26 The Shining wrote:
Shining doesn't play very actively at all on Mondays/Tuesdays. He plays at work and doesn't work Mondays/Tuesdays. Check any game I've been in in the past and it's a pre-game excuse, I didn't realize D1 would land squarely on my days off.

Also, I'm dying, literally, and I'm omw to the ER. Good thing is, I'll have my phone there so I'll catch up and put out some reads tonight.

Also I haven't really read up to date, just skimmed, so if I come back to the policy lynch train, I don't really mind or care. Hopefully I won't die tonight and will be able to come back lmao. /darkhumor

+ Show Spoiler +
All jokes aside, though, I really am town. Should my condition get any worse tonight, I'll just replace out to keep the game fair for my fellow townies and give you a shot to win <3


On May 19 2015 04:31 The Shining wrote:
Fck it, I'll just keep posting until I get where I'm going.

Stutters, why would you point out we've been in 3 recent games together, call me out saying I "should know" you don't D1 and that you're a bad policy lynch, and then turn around and do pretty much the same to me? If I "should know" you and your D1, you "should know" I open every game just talking shit and defensive to anyone who so breathes my way as town on D1. You should also know I don't play much on Mondays/Tuesdays, similar to your "I dont play weekends" excuse that you said I also "should know."

So why the hell do standards for me reading you apply due to past games but you don't apply to the same standards? Seems like a shit attempt at trying to scum me for things I've done in all of my town games, to varying degrees.


Damdred, these couple of posts felt really genuine. I don't know, it's a tone read. It's hard for me to see mafia faking this ER thing. It's hard for me to see mafia faking the spoilered wording.

She could be mafia, but for these tone reads, I think there are better lynches than her. I still have a town lean on her.

And I'm about to flip my read on you. Reevaluatin why I scumread you now.
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