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On May 19 2015 06:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
@sci As mentioned, my suspicion grows of GB but my vote stands - I can't confirm he's mafia until Palmar goes first. Isn't it just weird that Palmar is voting right after GB consistently. Then Obi earlier started to throw my name into the mix after calling him out. Which Obi isn't in Palmar's "shit list", but GB is? Once Palmar goes and he is confirm mafia, then I can truly call GB out for being mafia as well.
OK I don't know whether you have ever played with Palmar, but I have, and I can tell you that it is very likely a coincidence that he has copied two of GB's votes. By putting GB on his shitlist, Palmar has effectively said that in his opinion, GB "should be treated as incapable of being useful regardless of their alignment". Now why would Palmar copy votes from a player that he thinks is useless? He wouldn't do this even if he were mafia. If he were going to copy votes, he would at least copy them from a player he thinks is good.
I think you are reading far too much into Palmar's "shit list". Palmar put people on the list because in his opinion they have said stupid things and therefore should not be listened to. As Palmar said, it is completely irrelevant to them being mafia or not.
On May 19 2015 06:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Once Palmar goes and he is confirm mafia, then I can truly call GB out for being mafia as well.
On May 19 2015 06:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Or maybe the two fronts is two posters misguiding the town by throwing votes around, while you act as a vocal townee?
ShoCkey these two quotes are completely inconsistent. Like, your entire stance on GB and Palmar is baffling and needs to be clarified. You say that you have built suspicions against GB, but his guilt will only truly be confirmed once Palmar is confirmed as mafia. But then you say that maybe Palmar and Obi are mafia but GB is just a vocal townie.
So what's the deal?
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Actually you really missed the most inconsistent part of the post
This all some how ties GB in here since he is one of the most active players. So I just question him first due to Palmar shitlist and see what kind of posts I can get out of him and I just don't feel like GB is mafia for now.
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On May 19 2015 07:12 Damdred wrote:Actually you really missed the most inconsistent part of the post Show nested quote +This all some how ties GB in here since he is one of the most active players. So I just question him first due to Palmar shitlist and see what kind of posts I can get out of him and I just don't feel like GB is mafia for now.
I don't even understand what he is saying there.
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The gist if I don't misunderstand is that he doesn't think GB is mafia atm, however in subsequent postings he still infers that gb is scum?
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On May 19 2015 07:16 Damdred wrote:
The gist if I don't misunderstand is that he doesn't think GB is mafia atm, however in subsequent postings he still infers that gb is scum?
oh yea I mentioned that here
He replied by saying that GB is not scummy atm, but will be scummy if palmar/obi flip scum. This is what he really has to explain.
On May 19 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote:
So you really need to walk me through this shockey and why you can't do anything when obi and Palmar are still alive. It doesn't make sense to me
Basically this^
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Also why is it only Lurker Palmar and Lurker Obi and not Lurker Qwerty as well? I know that there isn't any associative tells to go on, but i'm like really really sure that GB Palmar and Obi aren't the scum team in this situation. I highly doubt at like 99% that Obi and Palmar could be scum together honestly, but we are getting into turbulent waters with this post.
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On May 19 2015 06:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 02:52 GlowingBear wrote:On May 18 2015 23:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:Three things: Instantly votes (to drive discussion ok) Says he's Vet on first day (weird) List of people (Creates a list of people in the game who he thinks may be mafia or townie, which didn't really bring anything to the table. It was just copy and paste of some of people's opening posts). To me, it can either be he's trying to drive away any finger pointing to himself or he's really some one has that has a role. On May 16 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:
/in
Gonna try a different approach What if that different approach is being mafia? On September 12 2014 11:38 GlowingBear wrote:On September 12 2014 11:09 kushm4sta wrote:
@gb you are being active and i like it.
Scum is probably oats would be my best guess.
Not vivax cause he has tried really hard I guess? it's possible though.
The reason why I want to know how many mislynches we have is I want to know how hard I have to try.
Like if we have 4 mislynches, we can just lynch down a list and win with a very high certainty. I don't like your idea. I understand it, but I don't like it. You're being too careless here. Making a list and not caring much for mislynches is irresponsible. It makes game easier to mafia, there will be less effort from town and we will have more chances of mislynching townies. I think you might be mafia for considering it. Being careless, specially now at late game, is pretty much a mafia mindset. You point out earlier that I instantly vote, comparing it to Palmar's vote, like it is scummy. Then you point out again that I instantly vote, but understands it was for discussion driving only. So why even pointing that out as scummy? And why not raising suspicions on Palmar, for instance? I'm your only scum read as far as I know. Regarding the veteran claim, it was a joke. You should be able to see it because it was a direct answer to stutters "don't claim unnecessarily" thing. Also, you also admit I could be town trying to take a shot, so I have no idea why are you pointing this out again. Your opinion on my list post is wrong since you say I only copy paste openings, when that's not it. I was also the first one to bring suspicions on sciberbia, so I do bring something new. Bad reason again. This means you didn't even read something you called me scum for Then you bring something from pre game to call me Mafia, before I even know my alignment. Sounds like a joke but... Who knows... Shockey, address to this directly, please.
On May 19 2015 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I poked at both of you due to opening posts but Palmar has been gone since early today, hard to read. I just find it funny that you posted that joke post to start discussion, Palmar instantly votes for damdred as his opening post, talks smack then leaves with this as one of his last posts:
I pointed you out because you were the most vocal, but you didn't even respond to any of my posts from the beginning, instead you asked me this:
On May 18 2015 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Shockey, have you played on these forums before?
Which lead me to keep going after you, also, that first post can be scummy or discussion which is why I mention both. There's no true way to tell. Now that Palmar mentions he will follow you through and through, gives me the reason to believe he's mafia.
On May 19 2015 07:08 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 06:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
@sci As mentioned, my suspicion grows of GB but my vote stands - I can't confirm he's mafia until Palmar goes first. Isn't it just weird that Palmar is voting right after GB consistently. Then Obi earlier started to throw my name into the mix after calling him out. Which Obi isn't in Palmar's "shit list", but GB is? Once Palmar goes and he is confirm mafia, then I can truly call GB out for being mafia as well. OK I don't know whether you have ever played with Palmar, but I have, and I can tell you that it is very likely a coincidence that he has copied two of GB's votes. By putting GB on his shitlist, Palmar has effectively said that in his opinion, GB "should be treated as incapable of being useful regardless of their alignment". Now why would Palmar copy votes from a player that he thinks is useless? He wouldn't do this even if he were mafia. If he were going to copy votes, he would at least copy them from a player he thinks is good. I think you are reading far too much into Palmar's "shit list". Palmar put people on the list because in his opinion they have said stupid things and therefore should not be listened to. As Palmar said, it is completely irrelevant to them being mafia or not. Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 06:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Once Palmar goes and he is confirm mafia, then I can truly call GB out for being mafia as well. Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 06:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Or maybe the two fronts is two posters misguiding the town by throwing votes around, while you act as a vocal townee? ShoCkey these two quotes are completely inconsistent. Like, your entire stance on GB and Palmar is baffling and needs to be clarified. You say that you have built suspicions against GB, but his guilt will only truly be confirmed once Palmar is confirmed as mafia. But then you say that maybe Palmar and Obi are mafia but GB is just a vocal townie. So what's the deal?
On May 16 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:
/in
Gonna try a different approach
Maybe just by playing with them often has lead you to think they play a certain way? As I mentioned before, I haven't played in over five years, I don't know any of you here or how your playstyle is. I'm just also trying to learn for myself. By Palmar instantly throwing his vote where ever GB goes, maybe that's a different route. Remember that the motive is for Mafia to win the game, if GB is the leader he can easily tell palmar and obi to go after who he thinks is necessary. Would people believe it? Of course not because that's not their "style".
On May 19 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote:
So you really need to walk me through this shockey and why you can't do anything when obi and Palmar are still alive. It doesn't make sense to me
Because by being the least vocal and least responsive in terms of the allegations towards them, it makes GB look like he's in it for the town. With out either or, the town can start seeing what is going on here.
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On May 19 2015 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Also why is it only Lurker Palmar and Lurker Obi and not Lurker Qwerty as well? I know that there isn't any associative tells to go on, but i'm like really really sure that GB Palmar and Obi aren't the scum team in this situation. I highly doubt at like 99% that Obi and Palmar could be scum together honestly, but we are getting into turbulent waters with this post.
He hasn't posted at all. He'll either get MK'd or replaced and we can deal with it then. No sense in stifling discussion and denying ourselves info to lynch someone who we don't even know if they've seen the thread.
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On May 19 2015 07:29 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Also why is it only Lurker Palmar and Lurker Obi and not Lurker Qwerty as well? I know that there isn't any associative tells to go on, but i'm like really really sure that GB Palmar and Obi aren't the scum team in this situation. I highly doubt at like 99% that Obi and Palmar could be scum together honestly, but we are getting into turbulent waters with this post. He hasn't posted at all. He'll either get MK'd or replaced and we can deal with it then. No sense in stifling discussion and denying ourselves info to lynch someone who we don't even know if they've seen the thread.
That's not the point, the point is that its an uneven way of doing things currently.
You see when you decide to policy lynch Obi/Palmar because of lack of information but ignore someone who literally has no information but has been active on this forum its a weird way to go about things.
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Dunno about ShoCkey. Not sold on that lynch. Some stuff in his filter worries me, but such wild conspiracy and connectionist theories are a town trait I think. I'll think more on it as we get closer to the deadline.
##vote: Palmar
This feels like the right thing to do. I'll be in and out of the thread for the next few hours.
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Mafia!Palmar, Mafia!Obi and Mafia!GB wouldn't throw there votes together like this, (this is wifom but its also sorta true). While its certainly POSSIBLE that they would do this to throw everyone off of the track if one of them flips it automatically raises the pressure/attention on any of the two remaining by a large degree and actually gives us a lot more information than mafia would ever want us to have.
So no I don't believe that mafia would collude together on one target this early in the day for example, could some of them end up together end of day yes, but I think its a pretty low success level play for everyone just to randomly follow each other and vote together without much thread presence.
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On May 19 2015 07:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 06:51 GlowingBear wrote:On May 19 2015 02:52 GlowingBear wrote:On May 18 2015 23:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:Three things: Instantly votes (to drive discussion ok) Says he's Vet on first day (weird) List of people (Creates a list of people in the game who he thinks may be mafia or townie, which didn't really bring anything to the table. It was just copy and paste of some of people's opening posts). To me, it can either be he's trying to drive away any finger pointing to himself or he's really some one has that has a role. On May 16 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:
/in
Gonna try a different approach What if that different approach is being mafia? On September 12 2014 11:38 GlowingBear wrote:On September 12 2014 11:09 kushm4sta wrote:
@gb you are being active and i like it.
Scum is probably oats would be my best guess.
Not vivax cause he has tried really hard I guess? it's possible though.
The reason why I want to know how many mislynches we have is I want to know how hard I have to try.
Like if we have 4 mislynches, we can just lynch down a list and win with a very high certainty. I don't like your idea. I understand it, but I don't like it. You're being too careless here. Making a list and not caring much for mislynches is irresponsible. It makes game easier to mafia, there will be less effort from town and we will have more chances of mislynching townies. I think you might be mafia for considering it. Being careless, specially now at late game, is pretty much a mafia mindset. You point out earlier that I instantly vote, comparing it to Palmar's vote, like it is scummy. Then you point out again that I instantly vote, but understands it was for discussion driving only. So why even pointing that out as scummy? And why not raising suspicions on Palmar, for instance? I'm your only scum read as far as I know. Regarding the veteran claim, it was a joke. You should be able to see it because it was a direct answer to stutters "don't claim unnecessarily" thing. Also, you also admit I could be town trying to take a shot, so I have no idea why are you pointing this out again. Your opinion on my list post is wrong since you say I only copy paste openings, when that's not it. I was also the first one to bring suspicions on sciberbia, so I do bring something new. Bad reason again. This means you didn't even read something you called me scum for Then you bring something from pre game to call me Mafia, before I even know my alignment. Sounds like a joke but... Who knows... Shockey, address to this directly, please. Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 05:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:
I poked at both of you due to opening posts but Palmar has been gone since early today, hard to read. I just find it funny that you posted that joke post to start discussion, Palmar instantly votes for damdred as his opening post, talks smack then leaves with this as one of his last posts:
I pointed you out because you were the most vocal, but you didn't even respond to any of my posts from the beginning, instead you asked me this: Show nested quote +On May 18 2015 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Shockey, have you played on these forums before? Which lead me to keep going after you, also, that first post can be scummy or discussion which is why I mention both. There's no true way to tell. Now that Palmar mentions he will follow you through and through, gives me the reason to believe he's mafia. Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 07:08 sciberbia wrote:On May 19 2015 06:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
@sci As mentioned, my suspicion grows of GB but my vote stands - I can't confirm he's mafia until Palmar goes first. Isn't it just weird that Palmar is voting right after GB consistently. Then Obi earlier started to throw my name into the mix after calling him out. Which Obi isn't in Palmar's "shit list", but GB is? Once Palmar goes and he is confirm mafia, then I can truly call GB out for being mafia as well. OK I don't know whether you have ever played with Palmar, but I have, and I can tell you that it is very likely a coincidence that he has copied two of GB's votes. By putting GB on his shitlist, Palmar has effectively said that in his opinion, GB "should be treated as incapable of being useful regardless of their alignment". Now why would Palmar copy votes from a player that he thinks is useless? He wouldn't do this even if he were mafia. If he were going to copy votes, he would at least copy them from a player he thinks is good. I think you are reading far too much into Palmar's "shit list". Palmar put people on the list because in his opinion they have said stupid things and therefore should not be listened to. As Palmar said, it is completely irrelevant to them being mafia or not. On May 19 2015 06:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Once Palmar goes and he is confirm mafia, then I can truly call GB out for being mafia as well. On May 19 2015 06:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Or maybe the two fronts is two posters misguiding the town by throwing votes around, while you act as a vocal townee? ShoCkey these two quotes are completely inconsistent. Like, your entire stance on GB and Palmar is baffling and needs to be clarified. You say that you have built suspicions against GB, but his guilt will only truly be confirmed once Palmar is confirmed as mafia. But then you say that maybe Palmar and Obi are mafia but GB is just a vocal townie. So what's the deal? Maybe just by playing with them often has lead you to think they play a certain way? As I mentioned before, I haven't played in over five years, I don't know any of you here or how your playstyle is. I'm just also trying to learn for myself. By Palmar instantly throwing his vote where ever GB goes, maybe that's a different route. Remember that the motive is for Mafia to win the game, if GB is the leader he can easily tell palmar and obi to go after who he thinks is necessary. Would people believe it? Of course not because that's not their "style". Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote:
So you really need to walk me through this shockey and why you can't do anything when obi and Palmar are still alive. It doesn't make sense to me Because by being the least vocal and least responsive in terms of the allegations towards them, it makes GB look like he's in it for the town. With out either or, the town can start seeing what is going on here.
Win the game is the objective of any alignment.
You have to think how mafia would act.
Do you think mafia would act aggressively, having a vocal player choosing a target early on and having ALL HIS TEAM locking in the target? Or do you think mafia would let town try to ruin themselves and instigate confusion?
I find myself more likely to be completely disconnected from the game, having my own reads and tunneling, or completely instigating wrong reads instead of leading them. I would never hard align with my team mates on early day1.
Also, all you've brought against me you could see from both alignments, which means what you're bringing to the table isn't alignment indicative at all. So you're basing your whole scumread on me on things that aren't alignment indicative, and the worst part is that YOU KNOW IT ISN'T INDICATIVE. I also showed you that your statement regarding my list post having nothing new/only a copy+paste is a lie, and you never reevaluated on that.
Your behaviour is just the first one I described about my mafia play: tunneling on someone, being disconnected of the game. All your reads are too easy. Palmar and obi mafia because they are inactive/voting weirdly, and I'm mafia for reasons that doesn't make me mafia at all. Instead of reevaluating, you are insisting in it.
Just... no.
Also, forgot to explain to you: "sheeping" is acting like a sheep and following someone's vote instead of having one scumread for yourself and going for it. "plynch" is "Policy Lynch", like "Lynch all lurkers".
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On May 19 2015 07:40 sciberbia wrote:
Dunno about ShoCkey. Not sold on that lynch. Some stuff in his filter worries me, but such wild conspiracy and connectionist theories are a town trait I think. I'll think more on it as we get closer to the deadline.
##vote: Palmar
This feels like the right thing to do. I'll be in and out of the thread for the next few hours.
His conspiracy doesn't sound genuine. So, no.
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On May 19 2015 07:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 07:29 Stutters695 wrote:On May 19 2015 07:22 Damdred wrote:
Also why is it only Lurker Palmar and Lurker Obi and not Lurker Qwerty as well? I know that there isn't any associative tells to go on, but i'm like really really sure that GB Palmar and Obi aren't the scum team in this situation. I highly doubt at like 99% that Obi and Palmar could be scum together honestly, but we are getting into turbulent waters with this post. He hasn't posted at all. He'll either get MK'd or replaced and we can deal with it then. No sense in stifling discussion and denying ourselves info to lynch someone who we don't even know if they've seen the thread. That's not the point, the point is that its an uneven way of doing things currently. You see when you decide to policy lynch Obi/Palmar because of lack of information but ignore someone who literally has no information but has been active on this forum its a weird way to go about things.
Not sure if you are talking about shoCkey or in general. shoCkey is not saying obi/palmar as a policy lynch. Rather, he wants to lynch them for being scummy.
I could maybe be persuaded to vote for qwerty. But probably that slot will be replaced on D2, and I think I'd like to get a chance to read the replacement. Also, I feel like we get no information from the lynch if we all just hold hands and lynch qwerty. So if we are going to policy lynch, I think I would prefer Palmar/obi.
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If i'm to be perfectly honest i'm not really convinced that he thinks that they have done scummy things, maybe its because its difficult to follow. But its some web of associative reads where the people just haven't done much else besides vote together or close together.
It's a bit strange but i'm just not sure.
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On May 19 2015 07:43 GlowingBear wrote:
You have to think how mafia would act.
Do you think mafia would act aggressively, having a vocal player choosing a target early on and having ALL HIS TEAM locking in the target? Or do you think mafia would let town try to ruin themselves and instigate confusion?
I find myself more likely to be completely disconnected from the game, having my own reads and tunneling, or completely instigating wrong reads instead of leading them. I would never hard align with my team mates on early day1.
I am thinking how mafia would act. I'm thinking of a new approach on how a fast alignment can win this small mafia game and kill out the real townees faster than they can lynch off real mafia members. The alignment is what is confusing people they don't know if it's real or not. The vocal townee can just be an act, who knows?
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On May 19 2015 07:54 Damdred wrote:
If i'm to be perfectly honest i'm not really convinced that he thinks that they have done scummy things, maybe its because its difficult to follow. But its some web of associative reads where the people just haven't done much else besides vote together or close together.
It's a bit strange but i'm just not sure.
Damdy he is having the same behaviour I had on Game of Thrones Mini Mafia
He thinks I'm scum and that I am a team with palmar and obi. I am the vocal Mafia leading mislynches and my team is following me to HAVE these mislynches. That is what he is saying.
This kind of associative reads is the easiest form of read for Mafia to do. He sounds contributive, aggressive, but relies on WIFOM, and never reevaluate his read even when confronted with perfect logic. Because if he drops his case, he has nowhere to go.
Do you see him thinking about sciberbia? No.
Do you see him saying you're obvious town? No.
Does he care for what The Shining has said in this game? No.
Does he have an opinion on oats or Onegu? No.
He thinks Vivax is okay because Vivax agrees with him. Sounds too simplistic even for noob players. And he only talked about Vivax when I asked him to.
He is not trying to solve the game. He is just trying to throw suspicions and survive by trying to look contributive. That's all.
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On May 19 2015 08:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2015 07:43 GlowingBear wrote:
You have to think how mafia would act.
Do you think mafia would act aggressively, having a vocal player choosing a target early on and having ALL HIS TEAM locking in the target? Or do you think mafia would let town try to ruin themselves and instigate confusion?
I find myself more likely to be completely disconnected from the game, having my own reads and tunneling, or completely instigating wrong reads instead of leading them. I would never hard align with my team mates on early day1.
I am thinking how mafia would act. I'm thinking of a new approach on how a fast alignment can win this small mafia game and kill out the real townees faster than they can lynch off real mafia members. The alignment is what is confusing people they don't know if it's real or not. The vocal townee can just be an act, who knows?
It can.
It can be a townie too.
So your argument isn't alignment indicarice at all.
Take a step back and assume I'm town for a minute. Who is Mafia then?
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If you were a town, I'd be going after Shining or Zealous, but it doesn't look that way to me as of yet.
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You just called GB town though?
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