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On May 28 2015 09:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2015 07:04 batsnacks wrote:
Alright. I'm the cop. Barakos and 27nb are town. We're lynching sulfur today.
##vote sulfurus BAM BITCHES! Told you I was town
Yeah I wish you had been townie enough that I could have checked someone else e.g. sulfur. >.>
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@Batsnacks How do you know Bunnies is not the GF?
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Would there be 2 mafia prs in a roleblocker and godfather?
If so, then yeah, you cant believe the cop checks.
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On May 28 2015 09:48 Sulfurus wrote:
@Batsnacks How do you know Bunnies is not the GF?
I don't. If you are town and have a case it is imperative to your survival/win condition that you post it. You shouldn't be asking me questions you should be answering questions.
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Okay folks. Let me solve this stuff...
- barakos and plotspot claimed RB.
- batsnacks claimed cop.
- greenchecks: bunnies and barakos
leaving: Tictock, boxerfred, Sulfurus, sicklucker
we are missing the second mason and of course there is no guarantee, that one of the greenchecks isn't the GF.
ticktoc looks to towny in my eyes (hopefully he will claim mason later).
PoE list is (not ordered):
- boxerfred
- Sulfurus
- sicklucker
I was doing a bit of VCA today evening and boxerfred and sicklucker ended up making that list, too... so here you are:
- sicklucker: could have attempted to save scott in this position, hammers him instead. Could have been engineered.
- boxerfred: looks super bad. this sparks my "fight" with him.
Evidence B: looking at these suspects and their votes/reasons for D2:
- boxerfred
List post:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 17:56 boxerfred wrote:
Shady people:
- sicklucker (strong scum read by now)
- bunnies (scum read thus far, want to hear her answers to raised questions)
- that guy whose name I already forgot because he types so seldomly (sulfuras)
- disinformation (weak sk read by now, close to a null read)
Null reads:
- bill murray
gives me null after that: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/4852...afia-x?page=55#1085
Switches to 2nd scum target (bunnies) here:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 23:02 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 22:31 Barakos wrote:On May 26 2015 22:20 boxerfred wrote:
This game took a turn for the worse by now, arguing whether a role is in or not should not be an issue IMHO. As batsnacks and I said - stop talking about sk please and focus on important stuff. Well if SL is SK and we all agree on "there is no SK" it wouldn't be the most intelligent move to kill someone next night, would it? So we can all just vote bunnies now. ##unvote ##vote 27ninjabunnies
Switches to Bill Murray... because I called him lurky? Wasn't I the big bad SK just a few moments ago?
+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2015 00:18 boxerfred wrote:
I'll be around for 15 more minutes, then I'll be out for some hours. I think I'll be there in time for EoD. I want to see more pressure on Bill Murray, now that disinformation calls him lurky. I'm willing to give batsnacks a clean town lean by now, I'm unsure about SL by now and I don't see 27nb responding too well. Her points raised on BM are not too bad though.
##unvote
##vote Bill Murray
I'll be soon enough here to unvote BM if he responds in a good way. I'd like to see a bit more pressure und Sulfuras.
If you guys decide to pressure me in the meantime, be sure that I'll check the thread before EoD, roughly one hour before. Seeya then.
Votes bunnies. Doesn't like to vote Bill Murray for the same reason he didn't like to vote scott (but did anyway):
+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2015 05:30 boxerfred wrote:
Let me elaborate further: while I think that putting pressure on BM is a good idea, we shouldn't toss another coin into the inactivity well and hope for a miracle. We were lucky enough to flip scott as scum. Not very likely that it happens a second time.
##unvote ##vote 27ninjabunnies
- sicklucker
scum read on BM:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 08:32 sicklucker wrote:
10) Bill Murray Im his only push apparently. I think hes the vote today
votes BM:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 08:35 sicklucker wrote:
##vote bill murray
gets stuff from scott's filter and takes that as evidence to unvote on BM:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 09:19 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 11:44 scott31337 wrote:Dinner was good and now time to get to work... I'm unsure what to think of BM's early vote, maybe just to get some discussion started? He unvoted though. On May 22 2015 11:20 sicklucker wrote:On May 22 2015 10:24 Sulfurus wrote:
@sicklucker is it not normal for the mafia QT to be open during pregame b/c if it is you shouldn't have made that dumbtell
also ##Vote: Breshke actually I forgot their was coaches. It looks coached This was probably a pocket attempt. No one ever agrees with me unless they have a motive. Also I think breskes town because if his mafia game is to attack me of all people in a newbie game with really weak reasons I will berate him post game so hes probably town. Sulfurus Sulfurus I got a n0 red check no you what say you? SL loves to fakeclaim as town. +1 if anything scott spewed me as town not you. Scott talked about me more then you. If im mafia with scott why does he talk about me? Im willing to give you another day tho bill he did mention voting you. Good idea reminding me to read scotss filter. But im going to remind you to reread it because the way scott talks about me makes me town. On May 25 2015 09:19 sicklucker wrote:
##unvote
updates reads:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 09:32 sicklucker wrote:
9) 27ninjabunnies - Was at first suspicious but leaned slightly town because I noticed we had same reads on people like sluf
10) Bill Murray - him getting soft pushed by a 3 post confirmed mafia is probably a great reason to keep him around
votes bats:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 09:40 sicklucker wrote:
Bats your backtracking again. That was you who said only you would make a huge chart as mafia? You said no towns do that. Now your trying to put scum on him?
I think this was a slip ##vote batsnacks
Clarifies that his read on bunnies is null:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 09:42 sicklucker wrote:
Thats fair I think. Bunnies more null
mentiones having to vote bunnies for survival:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 16:34 sicklucker wrote:
she ninjaed that read on sulp is what got me. I mean I dont think my read on her matters im going to have to vote her for survival it looks like and i think shes a good vote and not in my poe list
Digs up stuff on bunnies + votes on her:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 17:24 sicklucker wrote:
wait bunnies was pushing scott but never voted him. strange? she voted disinfo but you quote where she calls disinfo town yet voted him over a confirmed mafia On May 25 2015 17:26 sicklucker wrote:
so bunnies afks her vote on the second wagon. While still saying scotts a great lynch. Sounds like a likely scott partner tbh On May 25 2015 17:28 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
We have 15 mins to EOD right? And scott still hasnt shown up. Can anyone give a a semi vote count? shows up just at eod. Thats more likely as mafia then town from my experience On May 25 2015 17:34 sicklucker wrote:[...]this is interesting. This is the vote count right before bunnies voted. at the time she voted it was very close so her being in a mafia team makes so much sense I think im voting her today and never changing. Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 08:25 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Oh, and I think the above post is a great basis for
##Vote:Disformation So we have bunnies being the third vote on disinfo to scotts two votes. At this point of the game it didnt look like scott was the lynch so if shes partners with him getting the vote on the other guy with votes is your only play. ##vote bunnies
digs up stuff on barakos:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 09:37 sicklucker wrote:This is interesting. Barakos does not mention scott once day 1. Pretty strange for the lading mafia wagon. Then when day 2 starts he makes this post trying to discredit people who voted scott (classic mafia tactic) Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 18:41 Barakos wrote:
The votes on scott mean just about nothing.
27nb asked if people thought there was mafia voting for scott shortly before eod... there sure was.
People said scott rolled mafia in several of his newbie-games and wasn't very happy about this, so I am pretty sure his scum-partners in the qt knew this, too.
So there might very well have been plans about voting him, if it becomes apparent, he will not return to the thread. Him not returning and posting as less as possible might even have been the plan right from the start.
Which is also why what bm said about scotts post making him look good is complete bs since this might as well have been a planned breadcrumbing, which a scum-bm could later on use by saying "look, he tried to make me look bad and he was mafia, so i must be town". Just look at the scum-qt of assassination-mafia. bm is perfectly capable of hatching such a plan and scott - already not excited about having rolled scum - would have happily followed, since he wouldn't let his team completely hanging.
I guess all i am saying is, that we can't really interpret anything into scotts posts, because him leaving the thread and giving up is most likely a thing, he discussed with his teammates, so there surely was a plan about how he should behave in the few posts he made, which is why everything he said could be interpreted one way or the other. you dont say? ty for that qt info
votes barakos:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 09:42 sicklucker wrote:
##vote barakos
time to play the game G
updated scum list:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 14:41 sicklucker wrote:
barakos bunnies sulf. Two scum in there probably
bit of interaction with bunnies:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 16:22 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2015 15:42 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So is anyone actually trying to figure this game out, or nah? not you thats for sure got anything else?
Votes 27nb again. mentions that bill murray could also be mafia...
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 21:37 sicklucker wrote:
Well im pretty convinced. One scum is definitely [b##unvote ]##vote 21ninjabunnies
When she flips ill figure out which one of sulp/barak/boxerfred made up fake reasons to scum read. Could also be bm On May 26 2015 21:38 sicklucker wrote:
##unvote ##vote 21ninjabunnies
Goes to sleep, after the coast seems clear...
+ Show Spoiler +On May 27 2015 03:11 sicklucker wrote:
i might go sleep for 20 hours
- Sulfurus:
Super short filter, not much of worth.
Scum list, which at this point contains a LOT of confirmed town. Also throws away his vote on sicklucker:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 26 2015 13:29 Sulfurus wrote:
As of this moment my lynches are
Sicklucker
Batsnacks
27NinjaBunnies
Bill Murray
BoxerFred
in that order
I admit it's kinda weird that 3 of those names voted for confirmed mafia but considering how Scott was playing the idea of a bus isn't too far-fetched.
##Vote: Sicklucker On May 26 2015 13:42 Sulfurus wrote:
EBWOP:
If we get an extra lynch through doc save and vigi shot I would add Disformation's name to the list (There might be a world where Scott's teammate had to vote on him so Dis wouldn't get lynched)
Does NOT talk about BM or bunnies on D2. And notice how good these two look on his scum list.
Evidence C (or TLDR): Results of D2 information:
- boxerfred: him switching a lot seemed strange, but he kept his vote on his scum read rather than a null read. Is in line with him not wanting to lynch inactives... but why doesn't he want us to lynch inactives? scott was super inactive... and Sulfurus is super inactive, too...
- sicklucker: looks good until the very last few posts. As soon as the danger of him being lynched he buggers off. And suddenly BM, who he cleared from being scum via the scott filter dive earlier, might suddenly be scum again?
- Sulfurus: A lot of confirmed town on his scum list. Super lurky... few interactions...
Critical Questions:
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- Sulfurus:
Wasted his vote two days in a row.
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On May 28 2015 10:34 batsnacks wrote:- Sulfurus:
Wasted his vote two days in a row.
Oh yeah, did forget to mention that. My D1 VCA only touched the people on Scott. Since he wasted his vote D1 he wasn't on that list.
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Also: nearing 4 am here. Should go to bed. Looking forwards to the answers, if there will be any. 
As always: feel free to ask questions.
If you want to know who I think looks worse... look where my vote is at.
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My opinion, right SL?^^
+ Show Spoiler + 1) scott31337 Mafia RB
2) Tictock Mafia Goon
3) Rels VT
4) plotspot VT
5) boxerfred Mason
6) disformation VT
7) Barakos VT
8) Sulfurus Mafia Godfather
9) 27ninjabunnies VT
10) Bill Murray VT
11) Breshke Mason
12) sicklucker RB
13) batsnacks Cop
##VOTE: NO LYNCH
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Why the hell are we no lynching?
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EBWOP: Why ARE YOU no lynching?
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The one time I can interact with people, no one is around. lame.
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Ok I skimmed from EoN till now, there's a lot to think about and some stuff I want to look into.
First things first, farewell to Breshke one of our town masons.
2nd off, I really don't think town RB should claim, maybe I'm wrong here but wouldn't Town RB be the strongest role in a cop, mason, RB town setup? Town RB claiming will make them a sure fire target tonight, seems to me town RB will want to hold off claiming as long as possible to avoid being NK'd and allowing potential blocks of NKs.
Masons seem like a weakish role. I don't see much reason why the remaining mason shouldn't claim as it will help confirm one more town.
I notice SL and Dis are expecting me to claim mason. Honestly though, I feel like if I were a role wouldn't I be in the best position to not claim? Like most people are reading me as town anyway, if I were to claim a role it wouldn't really narrow things down at the moment.
Also, why the hell is plots trying to No Lynch?
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Ok now. Why is Sul the insta target here?
We just mislynched BM for being inactive and Sul has actually been more useful than BM, so why is he the best target? Bara also pointed out earlier that Mafia would love to keep using inactives to keep town off their tail... This really feels like that.
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People We are not lynching:
Ticktock
Bats
Barakos
MAybe SL?
Me
People we lynch
Everyone else.
GG Town wins
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Tops lynches
PRP
Dis
Sulf/SL if the other two arent mafia.
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I'm clearly very bad at role speculating + Show Spoiler +carried away by SK nonsense, that is clearly false now
Ok we have Bre as the only confirmed role since he flipped mason.
There is a strong possibility of a town role blocker, but I don't see why it would be impossible for mafia to have 2 RBs it's not very likely but I don't want to rule it out just yet.
Bats claiming Cop is interesting, and it makes sense with how he's been playing. However, there is the (admittedly slim) possibility of Bats and 27nb being scum partners and them pushing inactives for their 3 needed mislynches.
Also, if we assume that town has Masons, a Cop, and a RB it seems VERY likely that mafia would have a GF and means we can't trust the cop checks 100%.
I know I'm getting a bit WIFOM here, but this is what is running through my head and are all things town needs to keep in mind. Town really needs to lynch Scum today because we are starting to loose our ground so I just want us to really think through the options now.
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@27nb
You still need to explain your thinking on Dis. I was not the only one who didn't like your reasoning D1, so telling me to reread it is not a valid deflection.
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7:00 am, here I am and enjoying my day.^^
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Tictock I congratulate both of you, you and Sulfurus for a great mafia team really. I just think Scott kinda destroyed it for you guys. Especially you who put so much effort behind it.
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