EPTAssassination Mafia!
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
| ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
Not really sure that I'm qualified to play in a Ver game, but it can't hurt to try. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 07 2015 11:08 Foolishness wrote: Despite you putting my name there, I'm still not playing.  Way to ruin my day. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
| ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 09 2015 04:29 Alakaslam wrote: Hopefully you can return to playing soon. Always enjoy your posting /obs Or see PM  (well, almost always, anyway) | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
Hello. I was going to make some huge entrance post for this game, which I figured that approximately zero people would read. But then I didn't have enough time, so I didn't.My name is Trfel. So instead, I'll just cut to the point. I had this great toneread on Half the Sky, and then I realized that rsoultin already commented on the same thing. I agree that Half the Sky's "happiness" does feel very forced. I'm also somewhat suspicious of LightningStrike. Not for wasting posts, but for justifying a lower posting (and higher content) style by saying he will play like someone else did in a game isn't necessary at all. If LightningStrike wanted to use a low post count style because of the post limit, I would expect him to just go ahead and do that (and quite possibly announce what he would be doing). But I really don't understand why he would justify this by comparing it to someone else in a different game. I would be inclined to think that KelsierSC is town, but this post gives me pause. On May 10 2015 09:58 KelsierSC wrote: Rsoultin already expressed that she is suspicious of Half the Sky, so I'm really not sure why KelsierSC is asking this. KelsierSC has no reason to say this, so it feels like buddying to me.rsoul you got a mafia yet? | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 10 2015 10:33 KelsierSC wrote: Which shows that you did not read the post very carefully at all. You seem willing to be present in the thread and to talk with people, but you aren't reading carefully. Suspicious.she made a post with a lot of words in it but I had no idea who was mafia. + Show Spoiler [Explanation] + On May 10 2015 09:43 rsoultin wrote: First, there aren't actually that many words. It's just a post with a lot of quotes and white space.2! ay! but don't you want to be the same alignment as me?  since you think i can suss you out 100% of the time? lolmmmm happy dance doesn't seem too happy town here. stop. again. stop. then happy dance? i dunnae hts we may be on opposing sides again :/lol yeah? oh damn, you caught me xP shoulda read my pm! (the role changes how towny i am, does it? xP such odd ideas you have, ksc) hmmm try hard right from the start, ja? pero i don't know why you'd want to waste a post on saying my role pm changes my level of towniness, any more than why ls would waste a post saying hi before commenting on a geript student V style posting strategy one post and i'm already your favorite person, net hubby? lol >< that's awfully quick, no? what makes you think so? (besides me saying so )Yamato-kun! how happy are you today? lol...finally ending that scum streak maybe? I colored rsoultin's post as indicated by her statements. She's pushing at least the same level of suspicion on multiple people as you are with you own accusation (that rsoultin's made a wordy post with no scumreads). | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
1. marvellosity 2. Onegu 3. GlowingBear 4. Trfel 5. sandroba 6. Half the Sky 7. Xatalos 8. yamato77 9. batsnacks 10. ObiWanShinobi 11. rsoultin 12. Oatsmaster 13. LightningStrike 14. Blazinghand 15. RebirthOfLeGenD 16. Bill Murray 17. Damdred 18. KelsierSC 19. TalkingDead 20. Palmar 21. VisceraEyes 22. justanothertownie 23. Vivax 24. Stutters695 | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 10 2015 10:52 KelsierSC wrote: What do you currently think about rsoultin, then?pushing suspicion isn't calling someone mafia, hence the question. On May 10 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote: Oh hush, you...hrum, truffle-bby you talk of buddying while mirroring my obviously wonderful preliminary reads but lol >< you don't see the humor in that? xP i presume since you're suspicious of ksc and talking of buddying you find me town (another easy read and i already told everyone as much xP) what's with reposting the player list? Anyway, I didn't repost the player list... I originally added the filters, the official player list is a copy-paste of the player list that I posted On May 10 2015 11:20 Damdred wrote: I'm obviously biased about myself... but Half the Sky only made one post, with nothing of actual value.HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans. On May 10 2015 09:12 Half the Sky wrote: Do tell me how you managed to arrive at your conclusion from this post?1/10 Town here. Again. *happy dance* Excited for this game, particularly with some of the possible roles I've not seen yet in normal games (puppeteer, dreamflower, pardoner, nuker etc). | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends. The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day? I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
If you're trying to get rid of an inactive, wait for the later part of the phase, so you can see if they start playing more. Especially because I specifically announced that I would be playing more tonight. If you want to make an inactive play, you don't nuke them... that's the most anti-movitational thing you can possibly do. Thanks a ton. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
| ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 11 2015 16:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Please explain this? I don't see this listed as a possible role in the role list, and I was unable to launch a nuke, so...Nukes can be duds, which means they don't kill anyone even though there are mod posts and all that. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 11 2015 16:31 Blazinghand wrote: If my play doesn't speak for itself, then I don't deserve to be saved.i have the power to save you from the nuke. why should I use this on you | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
Wasn't expecting that, but I suppose I can't complain. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 11 2015 16:52 Blazinghand wrote: Thanks for saving me, I really do appreciate it.yeah you seemed pretty mad at getting nuked so i stopped it. i figure that anger was real. welcome back to life trfel now I sleep But why wouldn't Trfel be mad about being nuked as well? | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
A Post from Trfel! Table of Contents 1. Preface 2. Bill Murray 3. GlowingBear 4. KelsierSC 5. Townreads 6. Questions Preface Some of this post (including this preface) was written before the anti-nuke. I'm tired and too lazy to edit it. If I'm going to be playing this game knowing that I get nuked at the end of the cycle, at least I'm going to play it my way. So you will be dealing with extremely long posts, random Styx songs, and complete lack of self confidence. I'm not going to adjust my play to please people who nuke me for inactivity on Mothers' Day. If you don't like it, be glad I won't be here for very long. On the bright side, at least I'm not going to be lynched today. Listen to the above song, it's really quite good. And fitting for the occasion. This song is a good example of why I like Styx: their songs have good melodies and good chord progressions, but they all have fairly good lyrics and most of them actually say something rather profound, or evoke a deep emotion. This song in particular makes me think of my friends and family separated by time and space, and pains me because in many cases, there is no more time. Bill Murray I do not have the ability to call down nukes. I have learned that Bill Murray's nuke is real or he has a role specifically allowing him to fake nuke people (which I do not believe is specified by the OP, can anyone else confirm this?). So, I'm obviously biased against Bill Murray. We didn't get along all that well in Student Mafia VIII, despite both being town. He really doesn't like my style of using longer posts. And I'm obviously very annoyed at being nuked for wanting to spend time with my family on Mothers' Day, while saying that I would catch up with the game this evening (and Bill Murray supposedly read my filter). Everything about Bill Murray's play is screaming mafia. But can town really be completely lazy, and decide to do this? I can't rule it out, especially knowing that Bill Murray really doesn't like me. So I think that it is best if I refrain from posting reads on Bill Murray, because anything that I say is clouded in personal bias and frustration. GlowingBear On May 11 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote: So, GlowingBear doesn't want mafia to shoot other mafia, thus wanting mafia to stay alive?JAT and Marv are underwhelming. Mafia please shoot one of them if they're town so I don't have to think about them. More seriously though... he provided an early townread on batsnacks, and then reverses that townread for poor reasons (remembering that batsnacks' first post, and an unflipped association read). However, I do like his early pressure on Damdred. And his posts seem to have a carefree attitude, he really doesn't seem like he cares what people think about him. I'm not too certain about this, but I'm slightly leaning town on GlowingBear at this time. KelsierSC I'm suspicious of KelsierSC. He opened the game very aggressively, pushing suspicion at many players (LightningStrike, rsoultin, and Damdred). His read development on these three players is very interesting. LightningStrike + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 09:37 KelsierSC wrote: The initial scumread.you have used 3/10 already 1 to say hello and then 2 more to say you are going to play like someone else and that you will have a hard time posting seems like you are trying to cover potential inactivity/shit posts already, not looking good. for you. On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: Lightningstrike - called him scum because his first 3 posts were terrible and he has run away like a scaredy cat. pretty weak response overall On May 10 2015 21:34 KelsierSC wrote: LS, that wall of text is hard to read but it's good you are putting reads and stuff forward, I will retract my scum read on you for now. I don't think you have said anything particularly controversial in your post, things are sort of "odd" "pretty bad" "we shall see", can you go against the wall of text style and maybe give some towns and some scum? if you don't have any then just say that On May 10 2015 23:45 KelsierSC wrote: well, my initial scum read on him was because the first few posts were terrible and didn't say anything. He said he was going to post in a specific, albeit terrible, way and now he has actually made a contribution to the game I don't have any reason to scumread him anymore. I'll reevaluate him when he gives more as his post didn't break any new ground, null for now I don't see how KelsierSC's read progression matches LightningStrike's play. KelsierSC was very suspicious of him early on, and then dropped these suspicions for seemingly little reason at all, while still stating reservations (specifically, that LightningStrike's post didn't make any strong reads). Later, KelsierSC says that LightningStrike being all over the place isn't alignment indicative, suggesting that he has some knowledge of LightningStrike's meta. But this indicates that KelsierSC's early suspicion of LightningStrike is false. KelsierSC keeps going back and forth with his LightningStrike read, and this doesn't look good to me. rsoultin + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 09:58 KelsierSC wrote: No if you were traitor you would know by now. rsoul you got a mafia yet? On May 10 2015 11:35 KelsierSC wrote: I don't really understand why people are so quick to call rsoul town. Nothing jumps out at me as being particularly townie. A lot of people seem quick to call her town and sort of buddy up. She is bringing up the points she things are important but I don't agree with all of it. i don't agree with the HTS read and the rest of what she says is pretty lacklustre On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: rsoul - Lot of people call her town but I don't really know her style, her posts give me brain cancer. If you break down what she has said so far the only real commitment is HTS is scum, everyone else is "leaning town" or "town" From there, KelsierSC adds rsoultin to his town circle. On May 11 2015 09:53 KelsierSC wrote: I decided to add Rs because she is someone I remember being active in the night and did give lots of reads and explanations, it takes a bit of digging but it is there. mostly the fact that I remember her , some people called her town and some people, myself included, saying "woo take care don't town read her yet", probably means she is town. I don't understand what KelsierSC was doing with his initial question to rsoultin. Initially, I thought it was most likely asking for rsoultin's townreads because he was townreading rsoultin and wanted to know. However, KelsierSC denied this, so he was either genuinely curious (in which case he didn't seem at all interested in the answer or its implications) or using the question as a means of pushing suspicion onto rsoultin (which didn't result in a read of rsoultin). Either way, when I asked KelsierSC for a read on rsoultin, he just complained that people were townreading rsoultin for bad reasons, and his read seemed to end up at null. He basically is suspicious of rsoultin for no good reason, and then is more focused on showing why other people's townreads of rsoultin are bad than doing anything else, while his own read on rsoultin is null. Damdred + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 11:29 KelsierSC wrote: you believe HTS has a forced tone and is mafia? but you just wrote she has a good tone about her. that is what is confusing me, how can rs have good ideas about hts but hts have a good tone to you? Initially, KelsierSC is suspicious of Damdred for a contradiction in his reads. On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: Then KelsierSC included Damdred in his town circle. But then, he proceeds to argue with Damdred over some townreads, eventually resulting in this:Damdred - probably the person i've been struggling with the most. I didn't like his early rsoul read but he has defended it pretty well, I also didn't like his prepared play, to be honest it didn't look like it achieved much, but I guess Damdred decided Trfel and I were town from it and got called scummy for it. It seems a strange thing to do as scum, so i'm not going to wide eyed over it. I think his GB reads were actually quite strong post (8), they seemed to come from a town perspective. following on from that he has been active this phase and generated a lot of discussion so overall I think he is town for now. On May 11 2015 13:11 KelsierSC wrote: KelsierSC has no reason to argue with his townread, and eventually reluctantly agree that he went nowhere and Damdred is still (grudgingly) town.as for my fight with damdred...i guess town can disagree with eachother sometimes KelsierSC seems to be playing to keep his options open. He is throwing a lot of suspicion around, especially early in the game, and his reads change in a way that I have difficulty explaining from a town mindset. However, KelsierSC has been extremely active and promoting discussion. He completely ignored the Night 0 post limit. This makes me much more hesitant to scumread him, because I don't think that scum would be posting so much. But I do not think that activity alone is a good enough reason to townread him here. Town Reads Damdred + Show Spoiler + Initially I felt that Damdred was suspicious for making reads that felt strange to me (for reasons I don't care to elaborate on at this time). However, he has been widely townread. Were Damdred mafia, I would have expected him to back off a bit, but he has continued to change his reads and find new suspicions. Furthermore, he's brought up some better points lately. I don't really see Damdred being mafia with this play. Half the Sky + Show Spoiler + Good analysis and focused. My tonereads still need work, apparently. (not that this is anything new) sandroba + Show Spoiler + He's extremely focused on his scumreads, for which he provides some good points. And he also seems willing to discuss and reconsider. Enough to townread him for now, at least. rsoultin + Show Spoiler + I'm sleepy. Questions Damdred and VisceraEyes: + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2015 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote: I really don't like what batsnacks is doing so far this game, he comes across as trying intentionally to be mysterious and nonsensical. A style we can all pretty much recognize I'm sure. On May 10 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote: Firstly VE, I like your batsnacks part about how he is trying to be intentionally mysterious. Please explain what you mean in these quotes, about batsnacks being "intentionally mysterious"? What does this make you think about his alignment? KelsierSC: Can you please respond to the above points that I made? (just the main points will suffice) | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
Last game that I played with Bill Murray, he seemed somewhat willing to change his reads due to the thread sentiment. The biggest example of this is that he posted a case on scott31337 (and was correct), but many people said that he was wrong, so he felt that his case was terrible. Here, he isn't acknowledging other people's reads at all, he feels determined to make all of his reads alone. Bill Murray, you played one game with me, in which I was shot by the vigilante for being bad. In that game, I played differently from my normal playstyle, and the result was not very good. Do not nuke me for meta that is incorrect (as stated by several people other than myself) without at least acknowledging them. The tone point that Palmar brought up against sandroba is pretty interesting. Though I don't think it is anywhere near enough to make me want to lynch sandroba. Other than that, there are lots of less active players to be suspicious of, and that I would be willing to lynch, but nothing really concrete. I guess I'm probably wrong on KelsierSC, his posts are frequent and he really does appear to be trying to solve the game. I really think it's best to wait for Blazinghand to provide reads before deciding one way or the other about him. However, I don't think that scum would be overly opposed to using an anti-nuke on town. I can't really judge how much towncred it would gain him, but I feel that an anti-nuke to save a scum buddy (who is likely going to be somewhat suspected) would give him a lot of suspicion, while an anti-nuke on a random early nuke makes him look good and potentially allowing him to save a scummy person later without consequences. I'll go dive some filters in a bit. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 12 2015 03:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Again, how can the nuke not be real? "Secret role" aside, I see no mention of fake nukes in the role list.Vivax will hop back on my lynch list if he continues to do as little as possible. Also if that nuke is real then we are 100% lynching BM either today or tomorrow. And I think that maybe lynching Bill Murray is a necessity, just to make him stop nuking people. Or maybe he is out of nukes now? | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
| ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 12 2015 03:48 Bill Murray wrote: Oh, good.This one wont fire because I have the most votes. ##vote Bill Murray Let's keep it that way. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 12 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote: Can you prove the bolded?yeah i was going to clarify that for you, but trfel instantly responded to my proving it to you... because he is ac... wait he was actively lurking as town last game too... maybe he is town... | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
If Bill Murray ever becomes not the leading wagon, I get nuked. So if I want to actually scumread someone else, I need to be sure enough about it that it is worth me dying and leaving a huge potential mislynch target alive (assuming Bill Murray is in fact town, which is by no means guaranteed). It's actually quite frustrating. I have an additional reason to be suspicious of Bill Murray, but it's best if I keep that to myself for now. Furthermore, Bill Murray's play last game (Student Mafia VIII) was quite reasonable and good, while Bill Murray has played erratically as town in the past, given his /in post: On May 04 2015 11:21 Bill Murray wrote: I would expect him to be willing to interact with people and play reasonably. And his play here is very far below the play he showed last game./in i am done with finals and promise to not be disruptive The best reason to townread Bill Murray is that it would be really weird if scum had a role that could launch multiple nukes in one day. But if scum did have this role, I would see them giving it to Bill Murray, and I would see Bill Murray doing something rather like this. Other than Bill Murray? I'm working on it. I have several suspicions, but they are best kept to myself at this time. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 12 2015 04:02 Trfel wrote: Bill Murray, can you please respond to this?Can you prove the bolded? | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
| ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
| ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
But I'm not really seeing many good lynches right now at all. I'll keep my vote on Bill Murray for the time being, mostly due to the extreme change in his play after he fired his second nuke. Initially, Bill Murray seemed extremely determined to solve the game on his own. He nuked twice without really interacting with other people or trying to talk about reads, and ignoring the people who provided reads to the contrary. After both of these nukes were used, Bill Murray changed his play to start interacting with people and being willing to talk to them. He's been much more open and helpful recently. But his latest post didn't look very good at all. And I don't see why Bill Murray would not want to interact with others, and then would be frustrated by having both of his nukes countered, and then be much more willing to talk to people. I can't figure out LightningStrike this game at all. Onegu could very well be scum, maybe there is something to the Xatalos push. I could see myself lynching a less active player as well. I don't really want to lynch Blazinghand today, while I don't think that his use of anti-nukes was towny, I'd prefer to wait for him to provide actual reads before reading him. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 12 2015 08:19 Onegu wrote: Which is exactly why he might do it...Because he instantly going to get mafia read for it. Seems counter intuitive to do on day 1 as mafia... Only way I could see it is if he couldnt save them but even then or had to shoot them... He gets to take two shots at townies which may or may not get saved. And it's a play that no one expects, and it comes from someone known to do crazy plays. But ugh, it still doesn't matter. ##unvote I can't lynch Bill Murray today. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
One of the main reasons that I was previously townreading Bill Murray is that I didn't think that scum would have a nuking role. This role feels extremely difficult for scum to use, as it ties the player to their shot. For a nuking role to be used by scum, it would have to be used in a way similar to this, and by a player somewhat like Bill Murray. This still isn't a very ideal role for scum to have. But I think that playing this way actually has a lot of appeal for scum (it's fun, even if not objectively the best play). So there's the mafia incentive. On May 11 2015 13:14 Bill Murray wrote: Bill Murray giving posts to Damdred and then saying this feels somewhat like buddying to me. Especially if his intention was to nuke people in Day 1, he needs his posts to help interact with people and share his reads. Furthermore, I find it very interesting that Damdred townread me, and Bill Murray apparently trusts Damdred enough to give him most of his Night 0 posts.That town-town shit was shady. I didn't like how rude he was to you, and it was very frustrating not being able to post about it due to giving my posts away to Damdred. Every single post Damdred made, however, made me smile. Whoever it was... OWS or someone... Who said Damdred was crazy... Completely disagree with them Bill Murray's usage of his nukes was very strange. Many of the reasons have been brought up already, I won't bother repeating those. But there is one more thing I noticed. Bill Murray read my filter and then was willing to nuke me immediately for low activity (despite a post that said I would be more active that very evening...). Then he kept reading filters and found even less active players: On May 11 2015 13:18 Bill Murray wrote: Since he is capable of nuking twice in one day, why didn't he fire his second nuke at Palmar? If he was confident enough to nuke me, and he wished he nuked Palmar, then he ought to nuke Palmar here after reading his filter.Wow I should have nuked fucking Palmar Guy has even less activity than Trfel Very unusual for Palmar Despite Bill Murray's reads being based almost primarily on activity (unexplained townread on Damdred, but then scumread on me for low activity, agrees with KelsierSC about TalkingDead being suspicious, suspicious of Palmar for activity, not wanting to lynch sandroba and TalkingDead for their higher activity, mentions Vivax with only one post, and says that RebirthOfLeGenD is scummy for only one post with lots of capital letters, then agrees with Damdred that Xatalos's low activity is scummy). Almost all of his reads are activity based, and he even shows that he is caring more about activity than other reasons through his posts on TalkingDead. But he uses his second nuke on marvellosity for reasons completely aside from activity. Bill Murray has also been very inconsistent and lying when justifying his read on me. On May 11 2015 13:10 Bill Murray wrote: When I bag scum with this (Trfel was super active last game, and is literally just skimping by posting to not put his neck out there this game) I want you all to bow down to me. ##Nuke: Trfel On May 12 2015 02:01 Bill Murray wrote: it's about timing. the last game i played with him he was literally the first post in the thread, and carried the game. we actually had to ask him to quit posting. it wasn't necessarily the gigantic wall posts that bugged me, but he, as town, misrepresents people nearly on purpose to piss them off he is a lot more defensive this game On May 12 2015 03:54 Bill Murray wrote: should have been voting you from the start you were my first suspicion given the discrepancy from how you're posting this game compared to the last one i played in when you were obv town ##vote: trfel On May 12 2015 03:55 Bill Murray wrote: yeah i was going to clarify that for you, but trfel instantly responded to my proving it to you... because he is ac... wait he was actively lurking as town last game too... maybe he is town... So basically, Bill Murray says that last game I was carrying town last game and was an obvious townread. He also states that my play was extremely different between the two games. Then, he suddenly says that my play was the same last game and this game, so I am town. I can't be posting so much that "we actually had to ask [me] to quit posting" and "actively lurking", and even so, my play can't be so distinctly different in these two games but with me being lurking in both. This is a blatant contradiction. Furthermore, read Bill Murray's filter from Student Mafia VIII (the game he refers to). He was scumreading me for the entire game. I was carrying town and an obvious town read, so obvious that he scumread me the whole time. Bill Murray is scum because:
| ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 12 2015 09:13 yamato77 wrote: Did you read his Student Mafia VIII filter like I asked?That's fine and all, but none of the reasons you posted are conclusive for a player like BM. It is a policy lynch, plain and simple. I generally don't do policy lynches. In that game, he was actually being mostly reasonable and trying to solve the game. In this game, his /in post said that he would not be disruptive. I don't see Bill Murray suddenly deciding to ignore everyone, including his town reads and randomly nuke two players and only then listen to people, given that he showed that he is willing to discuss with people and said that he would not be disruptive this game. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
##vote Bill Murray If there is anything I am missing or have missed, please let me know (or link me a previous post explaining it, or whatever you want to do). But just describe it in a way that I can understand (and I'm not very smart, so you'd better make it really obvious). Thanks! I really think that marvellosity was correct that TalkingDead's analysis of GlowingBear and Damdred's argument being town-town or scum-scum is irrelevant. Despite the reasoning being poor for this conclusion, there is no reason for TalkingDead to do this as mafia, so it doesn't matter. I have generally liked TalkingDead's analysis this game. The lynches (other than Bill Murray) that I think I'm most willing to support are Xatalos and Onegu. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
Otherwise, I might have to lynch you. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 12 2015 10:55 Bill Murray wrote: I'm having a lot of trouble reading this post, but I assume that it is a response to my case on Bill Murray here. And as such, it is factually completely incorrect.1) I don't believe he is mafia, so there can't be a contradiction. My read changed. Get over it 2) You say that Damdred townread you and that makes me mafia because I gave him posts a. you're being very illogical b. you hadn't posted at all so you are misrepresenting this scenario - if you had posted, it was at most once. You posted 1 time before I launched my nuke. These things occurred a day apart. - you are now acting like you were here on Mother's Day when you weren't. Synopsis: If you had been less terse in your opening post, perhaps I wouldn't have had to have nuked you. Sorry if you end up flipping town like I expect you to, now, but compare your opening post in this game to the one you posted in Newbie Mafia VIII that we just played in less than a month ago Your post was something you spent a couple hours on that game. This one was just bland, without the punch that the other had. It made me think you were a different role. I was thinking there was a very good possibility I would be getting praised for nuking you before the day way out.... now I'm worried that I'm going to get mislynched and that I might have ended up nuking something that we will end up needing. I'm not really sold on believing BlazingHand. If he's not lying, you're dead. One last thing, the fact you would nuke me right back shows the facet of your play you need to fix. You demonstrate a wrathfulness that borders on OMGUS. Now, you admitted to doing that last game, so I have hope for you, or I wouldn't be trying to help you right now, but know that the person accusing you is not always the best option to lynch. the other 10% is referred to as "VI" in some circles, and I am not talking about the league of legends champion. I don't feel that way about you; I just feel like you're a guy that is trying to have fun dumbtelling as scum to get recruited ... it is what it is. I made four posts (not counting posting the player list with filters) by the time that you nuked me. By the time you nuked me, I had provided more reads than you. Please check your facts. I've already explained that my "nuke" on you was a test to investigate fake nukes, it was obviously not a real nuke. You're obviously not reading the game, your post doesn't talk about anything of any relevance. On May 12 2015 11:35 Bill Murray wrote: You can really stop attacking my playstyle with things that are obviously false.... my play has an extremely large number of flaws, and believe me, I'm more aware of them than anyone else.Been catching up on some pages I've missed. I'm a little bit behind on reading. I am going to go back and fill in the blanks with what we need to do to win this game. Well, if I get to live long enough to do anything to help you guys. Trfel, I wish we could be friends. There are just some differences between us. I want to point something out, and it's another reason I don't like your play. Trfel, you take thread sentiment (Cases on Xatalos, Onegu) and you pass it off as if you created them. Your case on Xatalos is probably coming from Rsoultin Your case on Onegu would probably be less of a reach than if it was coming from me Your case on me is regurgitated from TD. Just don't take that too harsh. I'm sorry I have a nuke going at you, potentially, but it is what it is. I don't have a case on Xatalos, and I never said I did? I don't have a case on Onegu, and I never said I did? I have a small case on you, certainly built on what others have posted, however I have taken additional efforts to show why your play fits a mafia motivation. So you're accusing me of being a flawed player for doing things which I'm going to do?!?! Bill Murray, why are you voting for Onegu instead of your other scumreads? And why do you think that my filter (at the time of you firing your nuke) was only one post, when it was actually four, and ignore the fourth post saying that I would get back to the game the very evening you fired? But I almost can't see scum playing with such obvious lies... it makes me more inclined to think that he somehow completely missed 75% of my filter and is unable to understand my post on him (despite the TLDR), and if that is true maybe Bill Murray is town here. And while it's extremely frustrating, I don't think that Bill Murray would attack my playstyle when it is not at all necessary (and is false). ##unvote If he fires any more nukes he gets policy lynched, 100%. If not, hopefully more time will allow him to actually demonstrate a townie mindset. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
Why is he present enough to vote in the voting thread, but not to read/post in this thread? I heard justanothertownie say that he can be extremely lazy as town, can someone confirm if this is true? Otherwise I could very easily lynch him. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
But GlowingBear and Damdred are most likely town anyway, their actions had no solid mafia motivation. I think that I want to lynch Onegu today. ##vote Onegu On May 12 2015 07:22 Onegu wrote: He says this when it benefits himself. He only made one post which I consider "more serious" than his normal play. And he hasn't been following through with this since.Its a Ver game Im going to take it more serious. This would be true for either alignment. But it's his continual usage of hearts to annoy rsoultin that pushes it over the top. That's just not a towny thing to do. And he hasn't been keeping up with the greater seriousness that he mentioned earlier. His constant frustration at rsoultin is perfectly in line with how he would feel if he loves playing scum and finally rolls scum, but then has rsoultin scumreading him from the very start of the game. It's not great, but I don't really see most of the other wagons. Though I could definitely see myself lynching sandroba. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
Onegu has a good shot at being scum. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 13 2015 05:01 Xatalos wrote: He's just being obnoxious. He's capable of playing way better than this as town or as scum.You haven't really mentioned Vivax Trfel? It's just a policy lynch. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 13 2015 05:22 justanothertownie wrote: Game of Thrones Mini Mafia. His play there is much better than his play here.Show me one game where Vivax played well as scum recently. Only one. What makes Vivax mafia and not lazy, obnoxious town? | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
But I still prefer lynching Onegu. I would appreciate it if someone would tell my why they do not want to lynch Onegu. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
##unvote ##vote Vivax | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 13 2015 07:43 sandroba wrote: Blazinghand has this weird thing going on where he talks about the amazing game solving he did in the obs QT as if he was alive.I suspect you are talking about noir 3. Did a quick skim of the game and you did no such thing. He was the town hero whose only read was pushing the one blue role. Because he caught the scum after he died. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
I'd still want to lynch Onegu the most, but it seems that the lynch is between Vivax, Blazinghand, and Xatalos. In which case I think that the best chance is with Vivax. I don't find Xatalos terribly scummy from the perspective of him being extremely busy and not having the time to make really deep reads. He isn't pretending that he is playing at his full ability. I don't really like Blazinghand, but he hasn't really made reads yet. I mislynched him last game, and he's willing to do whatever he feels like. I just don't feel confident that he is scum because he hasn't given very much to work with. I don't see what is so impressive about Vivax's posting as of late. His posts don't feel like they have any direction or focus, and he isn't elaborating on his main scumreads. He's pushing reads all over the place, but nothing is very well explained or detailed. Furthermore, Vivax is going to be away for a while, so there will be no more information with which to read him. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
| ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
The only reason that I think he is town is meta and activity. Meta being that he was very aggressively poking at people earlier, but in his town games he tends to townread people early (this is uncertain, though, since I did not find a scum game of his where he posted early in the game). His reads have changed with seemingly little reason and his focus has been on the wrong things. I find it hard to see his reads coming from a town mindset. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
| ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 13 2015 08:47 justanothertownie wrote: The timing is not ideal, but deal with it. I've told you why I'm not completely sure on him, but I his weird reads as of late are really making me want to lynch him more.We are lynching your target and now 15 minutes before deadline you are coming up with this? Seriously? | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
Vivax, if you are town, I'm sorry. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
Kill Blazinghand please. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
I remembered that Blazinghand did that weird thing at the start about scum not knowing who was on their team Night 0. He did nothing at all to discuss the potential implications of this or truly analyze them, and he didn't seem to have this included in any of his reads. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
| ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 13 2015 09:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Please. Was I being stupid, idiotic, and even scummy? Yes. Was I trying to distance myself from the lynch? No, I was not. I said Vivax was the best lynch, I was wrong, that's my fault.Life is tough. Trfel posted some interesting things trying to distance himself from the lunch though I'll need to re-evaulate everything tonight, I feel like my reads are in all the wrong places. Be back later. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
In other news, I could be willing to give a few posts to Half the Sky if she needs them. I'm doing pretty well at hitting the 20 posts per 24 hours rate, but my reads are not doing so well.... I also realized that the argument that Blazinghand is town because he could have claimed to have no anti-nukes remaining is really bad. If Blazinghand is mafia and doesn't save marvellosity by claiming to have no anti-nukes left, he can't ever use his remaining anti-nukes without getting immediately lynched. Plus, town would almost certainly have anti-nukes as well, so marvellosity would likely be saved. Batsnacks looks extremely suspicious for the drop in his activity and complete absence throughout the lynch. But I'd like him to come back and explain himself, particularly why sandroba is mafia. I had a townread on him earlier (for getting a very natural balance between jokes/sarcasm and reads), and I can't justify changing that for inactivity alone. Still think that Onegu could very well be scum, though his alignment isn't certain yet. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 13 2015 10:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's a meta read. Scum meta comparisons being Game of Thrones Mini Mafia and Carol of the Bells, town meta comparison being Mini Mafia Down Under (1, not 2).Trfel, talk to me in detail because I've kind of been away from the thread: why is KSC town? As town, KelsierSC opens the game by poking and prodding at people. He's generally moderately active is aggressive with his reads. In contrast, KelsierSC isn't very active as scum. In both of the scum games I looked at, he started the game late (I don't know if this is a trend or coincidence). However, he generally townread most people early on, but made sure to have one scumread. His activity and number of scumreads make him mafia here. It's just so distinct from his normal scum play, and in a way that matches his town play very closely. I still feel that he is making a large number of scumreads and doesn't seem to care between them (scummy because he is giving himself a wide pool to lynch from), and his read progression doesn't always make sense to me, but it isn't bad enough that it outweighs his meta clearly indicating that he is town. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
Oatsmaster: On May 13 2015 15:44 Oatsmaster wrote: What does this mean?Trfel's town meta read on Kiel almost seems too good. On May 12 2015 12:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Can you explain this read in more detail, please?Voting BM. There's no way he takes this game so seriously as town. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 13 2015 16:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Why do you say that Bill Murray is not crazy?bolded is town not mafia right? Your post here is pretty good but it feels a lot like you know hes town and then are giving a bunch of reasons why rather than the other way around. I think that this read wont be so certain if you are town basically. A townBM as he has played over the last day would not have shot those nukes. Shooting nukes is crazy town. BM is clearly not crazy. Therefore he is scum. And yes, the bolded "mafia" should be "town". Sorry about that. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 13 2015 17:03 Oatsmaster wrote: That's what I thought you were referring to. This was misread by many, including GlowingBear in his case, as a reference to Bill Murray's meta instead of your (Oatsmaster's) intent, pointing a strange disconnect in his play in this game.Everything other than his nukes makes it seem like he is trying to play the game and isnt INSANE. anyway, hes dead. NEW TOPIC?? Like why you dont want to kill Xatalos Initially, I really liked GlowingBear's case on Oatsmaster, but when I read Oatsmaster's filter, I didn't get the same impression that GlowingBear claimed. I also felt that Oatsmaster's response to GlowingBear's points one and three was acceptable. I actually really think that yamato77 could be mafia here. His play hasn't been very convincing at all. His constant pressure on Blazinghand seemed strange (despite initially sort of defending him, and saying that pressure on him could make him play and that could be good), and I didn't like his read switch on Xatalos (especially because when he scumreads Xatalos, he mentions something that Xatalos had done before yamato77 had townread him). I'm just not seeing the thought process that I would expect from town yamato77. As for Xatalos... I guess I don't really see anything that makes him scum. His reads feel fluid enough to me, and they're mostly reasonable. He hasn't been following the thread sentiment (shown by pushing Onegu and to a lesser extent rsoultin). Furthermore, he is promising activity for Day 2, and he did say that he would be busy before the game began. I read Half the Sky's case on Xatalos, but I disagree with the conclusions that she arrived at. I'm hesitant to say that Xatalos is town because apparently as town, his reads have a lot of depth, and I haven't noticed that here. But I can overlook that for now. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 13 2015 17:37 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont think following thread sentiment is anywhere near a scumtell as everyone is trying to say. What about his reaction to BM and the whole "DOES HE CARE ABOUT LYNCHING SCUM" thing? He doesnt care about lynching scum and he has weird fucking reactions to shit. On May 12 2015 02:50 Xatalos wrote: This analysis does look suspicious, but it is correct. Even if Xatalos isn't very decisive here, he lets Bill Murray slide until the second nuke on marvellosity actually goes off, which is a sensible progression. Xatalos's actions were reasonably decisive about this, even if his words were not (he did not vote Bill Murray while many others did).About BM: Never played with him before. His nuke spectacle was basically an anti-town way of using the ability, so it might be necessary to policy lynch him or just Vig him. Typically crazy plays come a bit more often from town than scum so that holds me back from just saying anti-town -> scum. And I think that it is good to lynch the traitor. Xatalos's push on Onegu isn't the only thing he's done this game. I really need to go to sleep now. Still suspicious of Onegu as well. Waiting to see what Xatalos and batsnacks come up with. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
| ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 14 2015 08:59 Trfel wrote: Or perhaps town are even more idiots.If I die, then the mafia are idiots. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
I'll take a look at Palmar's filter later tonight. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
Anyway, I'm pretty mad at myself for thinking that Palmar's case on sandroba was good. Be back tonight. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
I think that marvellosity is almost certainly town if VisceraEyes is town. I'm inclined to go town on both of them, but they are very capable of tricking me. I expect this to resolve itself in the near future. I actually kind of liked Onegu's recent posts on LightningStrike. Though I still feel that he's being extremely inconsistent about when he decides to play seriously and when he decides to joke around (the timing feels more oriented on survival than scumhunting to me). I don't think he is a bad lynch. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 14 2015 15:11 Onegu wrote: Tonally, this sounds really, really bad to me.Onegu town. LS scum. LS didnt even respond to me. And he still isnt having reads. Everyone vote him! Onegu, what do you think about: GlowingBear executing Blazinghand The mason circle yamato77 justanothertownie | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
Did you notice anything weird last night? | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
| ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 15 2015 08:12 yamato77 wrote: I think I'm just going to sheep you for the rest of the game.we are you're the one causing problems BY THE WAY, I assumed nothing. I'm masoned with both masons. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 15 2015 10:10 Stutters695 wrote: It is in fact possible that scum was given the dreamflower role. That way they can kill their own teammates twice! Or they could trade 1 for 1 with town.Catching up. Is TD really calling me a scum possibility? Lol Alternatively, it's possible that town has a dreamflower which targeted town, thus causing them both to die, however there is a medic who saved one of them. And scum used one of their KP to target scum, thus resulting in 3 KP. I'm willing to assume that Stutters695 is confirmed town  | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
| ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
Have fun with that. | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
1. Yamato77 is town, and he's a better player than me 2. Yamato77 was pushing the lynch I wanted from Day 1 (Onegu) 3. There are a lot of very complex problems for which the Night 2 kills will shed an enormous amount of light on 4. I'm really, really lazy | ||
|
Trfel
7015 Posts
On May 17 2015 04:29 Half the Sky wrote: I had the option of sending orders to one of:Also what is a captain? (Trfel's role)? day vigilante nuker parity cop dreamflower I could send at most one order per night. It would go to all town players with that role. They would have the choice of responding with "accept" or "decline". I couldn't really figure out what exactly my role was supposed to be used for, so I figured that the most important thing would be to help confirm people. But I'm really not sure what I was supposed to do. | ||
| ||
