Assassination Mafia!

On May 08 2015 13:32 Bill Murray wrote:
HF is overrated

On May 08 2015 15:19 Blazinghand wrote:


Unless HF's credibility took a HUGE hit because of his play in that game, this isn't a valid objection. BM isn't saying HF is bad, just that he's overrated hue

On May 09 2015 03:37 KelsierSC wrote:


get in line

Setup Information

Semi-Closed Setup
Alignment-only flip with 2 exceptions (Janitor/Day Vigi)
Mafia receive a pool of roles to select from pre-game.
Mafia KP is #Mafia/2 rounded up. Cannot ever be 3.


Plurality Lynch
PMs: Maybe (up to you, see poll below)
Replacements: Yes. If you don’t make the player list you go on replacement list.
Time Cycle: 48/24, Deadline at TBA

On May 11 2015 09:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Yo what gives?

@BH: Why am I town?

On May 11 2015 09:43 Blazinghand wrote:


point out a flaw in my logic if you see it. GB tried and turned out he wasn't reading the host posts. unless of ocurse you got a scum pm and that's why I'm wrong?

On May 11 2015 16:25 Oatsmaster wrote:

Nukes can be duds, which means they don't kill anyone even though there are mod posts and all that.

On May 11 2015 16:31 Blazinghand wrote:

i have the power to save you from the nuke. why should I use this on you

On May 11 2015 16:52 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah you seemed pretty mad at getting nuked so i stopped it. i figure that anger was real. welcome back to life trfel

now I sleep

On May 11 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote:
Btw if Trfel flips town we lynch BH for TMI and if he flips mafia we lynch BH for saving scumbuddy.

In conclusion we lynch BH.

On May 11 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote:
Btw if Trfel flips town we lynch BH for TMI and if he flips mafia we lynch BH for saving scumbuddy.

In conclusion we lynch BH.

On May 11 2015 23:25 justanothertownie wrote:

You want to lynch BH for saving a townie. What...?

On May 12 2015 07:52 GlowingBear wrote:


Consider yourself with the anti nuke ability.
You see a town read with one page of filter getting nuked after 48 hours.
You don't know anyone's alignment (you're town, duh). Will you further investigate this guy alignment to decide if you really waste your anti nuke or you immediately use it and shut down thread progression?

Only a guy with perfect information would react that way.

To me, Kelsen, BH asked Palmar's permission so he could blame Palmar once marv flips read. This is somehow approaching WIFOM territory, but very plausible.

On May 12 2015 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:






haha, i have no idea dude. shouldn't you be asking me about my reads on JAT (who I voted), or Trfel and Marv, who I saved? lern 2 interrogate



No need to get yourself down dude you can just move on to another person

On May 11 2015 23:30 sandroba wrote:

fixed it for you.

I wouldn't mind killing jat either.

On May 12 2015 19:55 sandroba wrote:

If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.

On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote:
I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:

He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post.
Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it.
##vote: BM

On May 13 2015 06:00 Blazinghand wrote:
waho whoa whoa whoa don't lump me in with vivax, i'm useless yess, but i used my power for good instead of evil, surely that earns me not getting lynched until D2 hue

On May 13 2015 06:00 Blazinghand wrote:
waho whoa whoa whoa don't lump me in with vivax, i'm useless yess, but i used my power for good instead of evil, surely that earns me not getting lynched until D2 hue

On May 13 2015 07:31 Blazinghand wrote:


eh, now I kinda believe it, this seems like GB actually thinks I'm town rather than just trying to fake it for cred

On May 13 2015 07:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I found yam suspicious for defending me ibn noir. I was town he was scum

More bad meta. Literally every game, the bad meta. Lynch the meta liars first

On May 13 2015 07:45 Blazinghand wrote:


Read obs qt or ask yam. I was lynched and immediately cashed yam scum

Sandro town now btw

##unvote
##vote xat

I must live

On May 13 2015 08:06 Blazinghand wrote:
bah, this is why I should just RNG, so I don't have to deal with garbage like this D1. back to RNG starting next game

On May 13 2015 07:45 Blazinghand wrote:


Read obs qt or ask yam. I was lynched and immediately cashed yam scum

Sandro town now btw

##unvote
##vote xat

I must live

On May 13 2015 08:09 Blazinghand wrote:


Yamato is definitely scum for this post, btw, for knowing I'm flipping town, and posting this, and voting me.

On May 13 2015 08:10 Blazinghand wrote:


Xat has more votes. I'll vote whoever has the most votes and isn't me

On May 13 2015 08:11 Blazinghand wrote:

no denial, no backtrack, because he can't; all he can do is joke and try to draw attention away from it.

On May 13 2015 08:12 Blazinghand wrote:


given that part of the case on me is literally "blazinghand isn't putting up much resistance, which he usually does as town" (a statement that is, of course, once again people not understanding my meta because people is bad) your quesiton is invalid

plus you're changing things up

On May 13 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote:
BH could be mafia after all, because he's joined what is a pretty terrible sandroba wagon when what I posted should at least be enough for sandroba not to be lynched today. I don't understand how he can on one hand shoot down a nuke headed for me and then on the other hand completely ignore my fleshed out opinion on sandroba. I said earlier that I wasn't going to lynch someone who shot a nuke coming down on me, but the arguments about his lack of scumreads ---> sheeping this case on sandroba made my read do an about turn

I was leaning town on Palmar as well, but I also don't understand how he can ask me a question about sandroba, get a fuller response than I normally bother to give (apparently i like talking about good players or something) and then say "well, marv said all that but my points still stand herp derp"

There are also too many outlier votes right now.

I dislike Xata a little less than before, but would lynch in a pinch. Still finding it very difficult to believe that Vivax plays like this as town

##unvote
##Vote: BlazingHand

I don't believe BH "buys" Palmar's case. I think Palmar's case on sandroba is at best misguided tunnelly town and BH has been around long enough (and played with sand enough) to be able to at least grapple with this

On May 13 2015 05:50 marvellosity wrote:
There are 2 lynches that I just introduced where I find it hard to say "the townie motivation is kinda likely". Vivax's play is just SO far off his townplay, it's very very difficult to handwave away.

BlazingHand saving me, and jumping on a weak case on sandroba while not entertaining the counterarguments is also very very difficult to handwave away with a town motivation.

Note: I'm not trying to say Onegu is definitely town here, he may or may not be, but I think lynching him on conjecture is not the right play when we can lynch people with far clearer differentiations

On May 13 2015 07:09 marvellosity wrote:
BlazingHand made a lolreply (more scumpoints from Palmar for me \o/) to Obi where he altered his quote to try to say "well i do this as town as WELL as mafia". The thing was, in... er... Aperture, kita made quite a good meta case about how scumBH doesn't actually do anything where town-BH is strung into action. And that's what's happening here.

The thing with BH is that he's very obviously selectively reading the thread, and disregarding the stuff that he doesn't like.
So it goes

1.Palmar case on sandroba
2.sometime later marv makes a sandroba defence
3.BH sheeps 1, disregards 2

Then I also made my case on BH based on this, but BH ignores it completely and later only responds to my post where I lumped him (or something) in with Vivax, and saying he's not like Vivax. but it totally disregards what i said in the first place. So that's 2 strikes.

I literally cannot reconcile, at all, how he keeps saying we should sheep this Palmar case d1 when it was a really bad case.

Even earlier in the thread he made some post about "Palmar and marv being the only ones possibly more skilled than me" yet it seems like he's totally ignoring me for convenience.

On May 13 2015 08:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmm, so in terms of lurkers, I think batsnacks is a good shot. I think for example calling me, Trfel, and BM all town right out the gate for this reason http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24244396 doesn't really ehelp you find scum (even though he's probably right) so not sure why he'd do it. His weird filter statement and his odd reason for scumreading Sandro all stand out to me. When I thought Sandro was scum, it didn't bother me, but now that I think Sandro is town (mostly for the fact that he decided to actually do some research) I feel like bats is just pulling our leg with the blue softclaim. I think if he were a real blue he'd fabricate a case on Sandro rather than saying "sandro is scum, I habe a blue role that says so". Heck, if his blue role really says Sandro is scum, why isn't batsnacks pushing? why the vote and afk?

batsnacks is scum

On May 13 2015 08:17 Vivax wrote:


Then go and find the people who went off me in a scummy way, cause as I see it there's nothing inherently scummy in not wanting to lynch me.

On May 13 2015 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:


I think we all kinda know what's going on here. A lot of people moved off of Vivax as soon as there was a lynchbaity wagon (my wagon) to move onto. Wagons that fall apart easily like this in non-PM games tend to be wagons on scum. I think Vivax would be an acceptable D1 lynch, but I actually haven't read his filter or his case. I'm basing this entirely on the fact that Vivax is a really good town player with heroic tier reads and pushing ability, and I haven't passively just NOTICED that he's playing well, which is what I'd expect from him

On May 13 2015 08:35 Blazinghand wrote:




So... what's the deal here yamato? Do you actually have a reason for lynching me? I think it's pretty obvious what's going on here, and anyone listening to you on townreading you should be seriously questioning the yamato townread

On May 13 2015 08:39 Blazinghand wrote:


So, this isn't an actual objection given that I've like, had a fair number of contributions, even if they're not literally that enormous case on Damdred I made that last game that was so long I got lynched because people didn't read it. Also, all of this is dodging the issue, which isn't how I've been playing....

it's about how your heuristic doesn't make sense. "lynch BH becasue he's inactive" is fine, but saying that WHILE saying "Bh being active is a thing scum bh does" says to ME that you aren't trying to hunt scum, because your throught process isn't progressing naturally.

On May 13 2015 08:41 Blazinghand wrote:


bolded is something you didn't say, scummato

On May 13 2015 08:44 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm never voting with marv

##Vote: BlazingHand

Bye

On May 13 2015 08:43 Blazinghand wrote:
hahaha rsoultin cry all you want, I get to LIVE! You said you'd try to get me lynched no matter what in the next game D1, and guess what? you fuckin failed

I hope you're scum

On May 13 2015 08:51 Blazinghand wrote:
oh vivax has like, a decent chance of being town, I just need to live so I'm totally down with lynching him

On May 12 2015 11:30 rsoultin wrote:
fine. so maybe the problem is that you apologizing to me looked to me like you were retracting your read. am i scum or aren't i, ksc?

On May 12 2015 11:35 rsoultin wrote:
...

i'm going to assume that was meant for me and not ksc -_-

not sure why you seem so damn timid around me, ksc, if you really think i'm scum. i really don't think i'm that scary a person. can tell you one thing, though...that half-assed bullshit isn't going to get me lynched any more than onegu's non-points lol ><

On May 13 2015 10:48 Blazinghand wrote:
1/15 (including the generous donation from stutters)



Thanks, Stutters. I'll make sure to meet and/or exceed your expectations. I won't specifically mention any pms the host may or may not have sent me, but if *I* were hosting this game, I think the correct way to deal with Blazinghand's overposting would be to allow him 5 posts during N1 and 10 posts during the combined D2+N2 cycle. I'd be pretty surprised if Hapahauli diverged from this gold standard. Not saying anything about any PMs I may or may not have recieved from mods though, since that would be against the rules, just saying that I'd expect someone in my position to be allowed 5 posts N1 and 10 posts during D2+N2, and so some donations (AFTER THE START OF D2) would potentially be useful.

Since I have 14 posts for tonight, I'll make sure to stay focused. I definitely pushed it with the amount of posts near the end of D1 there but it prevented me from getting lynched. Sadly, I didn't have the thread influence to make the yamato lynch happen. My initial plans for the N1 involve talking about Yamato a bit, and investigating a couple other scumreads. Probably not rsoultin, since I think it's not important to consider her unless she lives to D2 (she's a very very popular N1 shot since she's universally townread in very game). Then it would be time to talk about her.

I'd be interested to hear a bit more from damdy about the his thoughts on what happened with BM and the nature of his Policy Shot. Although I appreciate stopping BM dominating the D1 discussion, what happened to the follow-up on LS and Xat? It's not the strangest thing you voted me (given that you didn't like the fact that I hesitated for like 30 seconds in thread to save Marv), but it *is* strange that you completely fell off on those reads. Maybe they just fell to the back of your mind, but I'ld like to hear what you have to say about them now, Damdred.

KSC, I'd like to talk to you about the evolution of your reads on Rsoultin. Early on, you chat with her a bit, then you express some skepticism about her play early on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24234567 and wonder why people are so quick to (link) call her town. In your consolidated reads post (link)
you judge a lot of people on their interactions with her then say she gives you brain cancer. you then adds Rsoultin to your "town cricle and Trfel, to his enormous credit, calls your out on it. KSC, your response is (link):



which does not actually jive with n0, unless by standout you mean "person who made lots of posts.". The fact that she made lots of posts isn't new information at this point, so I'm wondering if you could elaborate a little on your thought process back there, or was it just you decided that peopel who posted extensively N0 were town, and hadn't thought of that until later on?

Your followup is to point out some posts by rso (link) then say (link) that her reasons for calling mafia are bad becasue she called people town.

Now here's the thing, I think rsoultin's reason for her 180 on Xata, which is, and I quote,



is probably one of the least convincing cases I've ever read. In fact, you definitely read this cause you bolded the text next to it. rsoultin then tells you about this reason, and your rsponse is:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24246204



Rsoultin calls you out on it and phrases the read more forcefully (if she did this before then I could see it be a little more convicning and you have this interaction (link) in which rsoultin basically calls you bad and your response is to apologise and make excuses, and remember, this is after you say rsoultin's like, in your town circle or whatever, then you say this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24246281



and then this:



So now I'm confused. Are you null/confusedreading rsoultin, and don't know why people were townreading her (as earlier)? are you townreading her as part of your town circle? or are you scumreading her? or do you not want to lycnh her? Obviously there's a progression here, but I'm very very confused about what you are thinking near the end here. You then call Vivax's read on rso confusing (link) or confused, then vote Xat.

Eventually, you end up here:



I personally think there's quite a lot fish about RS (with the unusual amount of emotes, the super dense and difficult to read posts, and the "joking" vendetta that became serious during D1). I'd like to hear more about RS from you, KSC. IT seems like you're confused about your read WRT EoD stuff, but I'd also like to hear about what you were thinking as time went by during N0/D1 as well, when you have the chance.

On May 14 2015 01:41 VisceraEyes wrote:

By all means! Nothing else you're doing is convincing me of anything!

On May 14 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote:
Ok LS is lieing he doesnt have any strong scum reads at all this game. He scum read vivax for being different than what he remembers. Then after scum reading Vivax all game he wants to switch to xata because, well Im not really sure he never really gives a good reason to...

A town LS actively looks for scum. He is not doing any of that this game.

Second read his filter he is basicly only giving town reads. And commenting on what is popular in the thread. I mean he made 3 posts on who the smurf is...

This isnt a LS town game.

@rsoul. LOL at making a novel and then putting inside of it that people wont read it because it is a novel... <3. Still think you are scum with LS this game. You should have no reason to townread him at this point.

On May 12 2015 08:13 Blazinghand wrote:






haha, i have no idea dude. shouldn't you be asking me about my reads on JAT (who I voted), or Trfel and Marv, who I saved? lern 2 interrogate



No need to get yourself down dude you can just move on to another person

On May 13 2015 00:47 Half the Sky wrote:
45/60

Marv - by that same token, do you think he's being vague in regards to Vivax or is that read from him reasonable? He's using meta as a reason to townread Vivax despite Vivax's wanting to trash his town meta (which I would think should make Sandroba disregard meta as well??).

But I was asking him to look into the content. His first few reads in the beginning were fine.



I can't comment on the VE read as I'm not even that familiar with VE now other than he doesn't strike me as a town leader. But I just didn't like his responses on Vivax.

In any case he's probably and shouldn't get lynched today for it, but I just found it dicey.

GB - Oatsmaster is a third choice for me behind Vivax/Xatalos. I think either of the latter two are more likely to get lynched over him.

Going to be back around EoD although I don't have too many posts left either.
(Any questions (anyone) ask away and I'll consolidate them to save posts.)

On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:
...so I'm tentatively going to say I think she's (rsoultin) scum.

On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:
Hey Batsnacks, hope you're doing well. I'd like to chat with you about your (link) scumread on Sandro. As far as I can tell, this is your only scumread this game, and in fact that post represents the entirety of your contribution. That, plus the weird poem thing makes me think you've got some kind of Blue role, but nothing actually FITS you knowing Sandro is town or scum during D1. During N0 blue roles get the pm "town" so there's no actions. During D1, msot roles, especially inbestigative ones, don't have actions. For example, I could see you being a Coronor, who can "Can check the alignment and/or roles of unflipped players." according to the OP, but again, it's D1. When I was scumreading Sandro, I didn't think much of it, but since Sandro came through and actually did research about my meta, I don't really think it's possible that Sandro can be scum. He's gotta be town. So now I'm concerned about your read. What's the deal, man?'

On May 14 2015 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Saving Trfel
So people seem to have confusion or be scum reading me both for saving Trfel, and for like, questioning him first. In retrospect, if I was bringing my A game, probably the right move would be to reveal that I *could* save Trfel, then question him a bit, THEN save him. This would require a lot of effort and be the right move. What I did was basically be like “truffle are you town” and he was like “yarp” and I was like “ok i save u” and that was all there was to it. I don’t think having a scum read on BM or a town read on him is really relevant or necessary for this. Also, I’m not saying that mods sent me the wrong PM, but it’s entirely POSSIBLE they sent me the wrong PM and I thought I had infinite anti-nukes, so why not? Truffle wasn’t a good nuke target, and more likely to flip town then scum, so I Stopped the nuke. Didn’t think it was a big deal.

On May 17 2015 02:56 Blazinghand wrote:
Thanks hosts.

Another town carried to victory by the tireless blazinghand!