On May 11 2015 23:40 batsnacks wrote: I wish I had some nukes. My abilities are pleb tier.
You sound more like your pleb, here.
Basically I claimed vt subtly and Jat, rs, and oats picked up on it immediately. I think this was early enough in the game that mafia wouldn't have asked for fakes yet.
VE, yamato, BH, LS, and you (GB) all blatantly missed it so you're all most likely either blues or mafia.
Sandro also picked up on it btw but I missed it because I wasn't reading and was afk at eod. So voting Sandro was a mistake.
EBWOP - "Marv, scum Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as being both alignments...."
Sidenote for Yamato - I won't speak for LS, but I am not experience with either your or sandroba's town games. At all. Not everyone refuses to play as scum and I learnt the hard way just now with Vivax changing his meta the way he has (still I think that's lol, but I digress). Point is, to be blunt for a player unfamiliar with your play to an extent, no you were not "blatantly town" certainly not at the end of D1, let alone a top town pick and sandroba didn't really clear up for me until close to the end of N1.
I incorrectly read him D1, blame that on inexperience on my end, and as for you, I'm not really familiar with your style of posting.
Even if I gave sandroba my power, he wouldn't have gotten it if killed (night actions out of my control), or if another one of my town picks were higher than him on the playerlist had he have lived (I explained all that in my claim post) that person would have gotten it. And upon inquiry (never encountered my role before) I unfortunately could not put myself on that list either.
Just saying.
I need to AFK for a few hours but I'll be back.
Honestly I felt like GlowingBear is the type of guy that can drive a lynch while Sandroba doesn't seem that type of person which is why I went on GlowingBear. I had only seem a glimpse of his town but in Student VII but that was it(I was coaching students that game and was more focused on my students there).
No offense but that is the worst read in the whole game.
None taken.
Why is nobody talking about 2 mason recruiters in the same alignment being weird and so one could be Mafia?
EBWOP - "Marv, scum Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as being both alignments...."
Sidenote for Yamato - I won't speak for LS, but I am not experience with either your or sandroba's town games. At all. Not everyone refuses to play as scum and I learnt the hard way just now with Vivax changing his meta the way he has (still I think that's lol, but I digress). Point is, to be blunt for a player unfamiliar with your play to an extent, no you were not "blatantly town" certainly not at the end of D1, let alone a top town pick and sandroba didn't really clear up for me until close to the end of N1.
I incorrectly read him D1, blame that on inexperience on my end, and as for you, I'm not really familiar with your style of posting.
Even if I gave sandroba my power, he wouldn't have gotten it if killed (night actions out of my control), or if another one of my town picks were higher than him on the playerlist had he have lived (I explained all that in my claim post) that person would have gotten it. And upon inquiry (never encountered my role before) I unfortunately could not put myself on that list either.
Just saying.
I need to AFK for a few hours but I'll be back.
Honestly I felt like GlowingBear is the type of guy that can drive a lynch while Sandroba doesn't seem that type of person which is why I went on GlowingBear. I had only seem a glimpse of his town but in Student VII but that was it(I was coaching students that game and was more focused on my students there).
No offense but that is the worst read in the whole game.
None taken.
Why is nobody talking about 2 mason recruiters in the same alignment being weird and so one could be Mafia?
What are you talking about? Only marv is a mason recruiter...unless I'm missing something somewhere?
On May 15 2015 06:16 GlowingBear wrote: TD and VE: how did marv influenced mason recruits reads on the mason qt, specially at the EoD
For the most part, Marv made his points but he was happy to let Damdred and I do whatever we felt was best. He was fine with me waiting to join BH so I could watch how votes/wagons formed and he was interested in the Vivax thing despite being high.
Damdred and Marv I picked because I feel like I can read him well and he's a really strong player. Damdred I didn't think woudl try to figure out (or out if he knew) my smurf and Marv wouldn't either as he hates when his smurfs are outed.
Yamato I picked because he's a strong player that I wanted connected in the mason chain. Rsoultin I picked because I didn't think she had much experience with QT play from both sides and would be easier to get a read on in direct contact
I was going to pick Sandroba and Rsoultin, but Marv wanted to grab Sandroba and he knows Sandroba much better than I do so it was fine.
On May 12 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: you're right that was a bit dick-ish, sorry LS
But the point stands. Sandroba not posting as mafia in one game does not mean he cannot post in another, and because of the filter limitations it's not exactly hard to post 3 pages of stuff in one game.
Same with RoL. He's lazy and shit as either alignment. But he did jump a dumb remark from me (apparently a lot of people here are literally sheldon).
Like maybe I'm just wrong and bad about sandroba, projecting my own personality on him too much but he's now done two things this game where I just think "If I was towndroba in this situation I'd have reacted completely differently". Aside from my initial point about how him saying he'd keep an eye on marv was basically a pointless sentence that doesn't fit in (If he doesn't say that, can we then assume he's not keeping an eye on marv? Isn't the default position in all mafia games to always keep an eye on everyone?), there is more too.
1). Sandroba's reaction to me calling him scum.
On May 11 2015 23:30 sandroba wrote:
On May 11 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote: Every time I say something really dumb the thread dies.
fixed it for you.
I wouldn't mind killing jat either.
Dismissal. He doesn't defend against my point and he doesn't try to use it to pry into my own alignment. He just outright dismisses my stuff, only to come back later and say:
On May 12 2015 19:55 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
Which implies he doesn't know why I think he's mafia, when I had already explained it then.
Also
2). His reaction to the BM pardon.
Sandroba literally just made this case on BM:
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
And his primary scumread gets pardoned.
This is fucking sandroba people. Not some random scrub who doesn't know jack shit about the game. Again, I may be projecting my own personality but I'd be so mad at this.
Think how I would've reacted if anyone would've pardoned GB in mini mafia mini thing or someone had pardoned WoS in noir 3. I was mad enough with people just not listening to me. But someone actively shutting me down? Fuck that.
I don't think sandroba cares, I think he didn't defend my case and instead chose to dismiss it and I think my initial point was very good.
We should lynch sandroba.
Palmar is scum. This post is the biggest BS in this thread besides bill murray. You are not projecting anything, you know how I play and "sandroba isn't defend against my case" is completely dumb since you posted something retarded that I dismissed as troll. You aren't reading anything, you are trying to force this read and haven't given any insight on any of the suspicious people that are being discussed. We should lynch palmar.
Dismissal count: 2
Go on
And yes, I told you didn't think BM is mafia and I still don't think he is. There is no reason at all for him to antagonize a ton of potentially strong townies and to use nukes randomly as mafia. I loved Gb's pardon and I also had already given a semi-tone read on him.
I've talked about rol and I've talked about you. I've hinted I think VE is town.
So yes, I have given plenty of insight.
So you are saying I'm mafia because 1: I said i would keep my eye on marv (????) 2: I didn't rage at GB who I think is town. (????) Which is completely retarded and doesn't make anyone mafia in any world. Despite my current level of activity and the content which I'm posting which I abosolutely never do as mafia because simply I can't keep up. Knowing who the scum team is simply crushes my interest and I have to try really hard to even pretend I have a scum read and I'm a lot more sucint and direct about my reads which I can't justify. You've talked about RoL who I'll give a prise to anyone who can guess his alignment at this point with a good margin of success. You've said you think VE is town, but didn't say why. You haven't talked about Xatalos and Vivax at all which are the main people being discussed. You simply ignored what I've pointed out about BM and read him town randomly. Palmar isn't this bad. He is mafia.
I'm not sure I get the rationale of a mafia-Palmar honing in on a target with the history that you have with each other. Palmar's played plenty of games with you (probably only more with me + VE) and realistically if he wanted to choose a prominent player to target, he should have chosen me, because he loves to scumread me no matter my alignment. Instead he chose you, when (if i'm wrong, correct me) you have quite a good history of trying to read each other.
I like to think I am pretty good at reading Palmar normally and he can easily get into stupid dumb tunnels as town
in the situation of sandroba-town and palmar-mafia, gunning for you seems like a kinda suicidal play with no upsides for him, so i think this can be town-town
On May 12 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: you're right that was a bit dick-ish, sorry LS
But the point stands. Sandroba not posting as mafia in one game does not mean he cannot post in another, and because of the filter limitations it's not exactly hard to post 3 pages of stuff in one game.
Same with RoL. He's lazy and shit as either alignment. But he did jump a dumb remark from me (apparently a lot of people here are literally sheldon).
Like maybe I'm just wrong and bad about sandroba, projecting my own personality on him too much but he's now done two things this game where I just think "If I was towndroba in this situation I'd have reacted completely differently". Aside from my initial point about how him saying he'd keep an eye on marv was basically a pointless sentence that doesn't fit in (If he doesn't say that, can we then assume he's not keeping an eye on marv? Isn't the default position in all mafia games to always keep an eye on everyone?), there is more too.
1). Sandroba's reaction to me calling him scum.
On May 11 2015 23:30 sandroba wrote:
On May 11 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote: Every time I say something really dumb the thread dies.
fixed it for you.
I wouldn't mind killing jat either.
Dismissal. He doesn't defend against my point and he doesn't try to use it to pry into my own alignment. He just outright dismisses my stuff, only to come back later and say:
On May 12 2015 19:55 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 sandroba wrote: [quote] Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
Which implies he doesn't know why I think he's mafia, when I had already explained it then.
Also
2). His reaction to the BM pardon.
Sandroba literally just made this case on BM:
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
And his primary scumread gets pardoned.
This is fucking sandroba people. Not some random scrub who doesn't know jack shit about the game. Again, I may be projecting my own personality but I'd be so mad at this.
Think how I would've reacted if anyone would've pardoned GB in mini mafia mini thing or someone had pardoned WoS in noir 3. I was mad enough with people just not listening to me. But someone actively shutting me down? Fuck that.
I don't think sandroba cares, I think he didn't defend my case and instead chose to dismiss it and I think my initial point was very good.
We should lynch sandroba.
Palmar is scum. This post is the biggest BS in this thread besides bill murray. You are not projecting anything, you know how I play and "sandroba isn't defend against my case" is completely dumb since you posted something retarded that I dismissed as troll. You aren't reading anything, you are trying to force this read and haven't given any insight on any of the suspicious people that are being discussed. We should lynch palmar.
Dismissal count: 2
Go on
And yes, I told you didn't think BM is mafia and I still don't think he is. There is no reason at all for him to antagonize a ton of potentially strong townies and to use nukes randomly as mafia. I loved Gb's pardon and I also had already given a semi-tone read on him.
I've talked about rol and I've talked about you. I've hinted I think VE is town.
So yes, I have given plenty of insight.
So you are saying I'm mafia because 1: I said i would keep my eye on marv (????) 2: I didn't rage at GB who I think is town. (????) Which is completely retarded and doesn't make anyone mafia in any world. Despite my current level of activity and the content which I'm posting which I abosolutely never do as mafia because simply I can't keep up. Knowing who the scum team is simply crushes my interest and I have to try really hard to even pretend I have a scum read and I'm a lot more sucint and direct about my reads which I can't justify. You've talked about RoL who I'll give a prise to anyone who can guess his alignment at this point with a good margin of success. You've said you think VE is town, but didn't say why. You haven't talked about Xatalos and Vivax at all which are the main people being discussed. You simply ignored what I've pointed out about BM and read him town randomly. Palmar isn't this bad. He is mafia.
I'm not sure I get the rationale of a mafia-Palmar honing in on a target with the history that you have with each other. Palmar's played plenty of games with you (probably only more with me + VE) and realistically if he wanted to choose a prominent player to target, he should have chosen me, because he loves to scumread me no matter my alignment. Instead he chose you, when (if i'm wrong, correct me) you have quite a good history of trying to read each other.
I like to think I am pretty good at reading Palmar normally and he can easily get into stupid dumb tunnels as town
in the situation of sandroba-town and palmar-mafia, gunning for you seems like a kinda suicidal play with no upsides for him, so i think this can be town-town
Are you sure?
That was made a few irl days ago so ofc we now know it was Town on Scum there between Sandroba and Palmar.
LS, you don't get it.
Marv makes a mason qt with both palmar and VE. He doesn't trust these guys to tell them he was RECRUITED in another qt, but he trusts Damdred, Yamato AND TD (which he trusts is another town mason) to say he IS a POWER ROLE???
Then he ASKS to let Sandroba being added to his qt, and Sandroba is dead at night, and rsoultin is shot at the exact moment she starts suspecting marv and VE
On May 14 2015 04:20 TalkingDead wrote: A few important things. Rsoultin's large posts are really, really off. When I have more time to write up a whole thing I'll do so, but there's very little sense being made in them and she's flat out lying about a few things.
More importantly, I want to address Blazinghand's recent scumclaim here. Blazinghand is an experienced player.
On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote: ...so I'm tentatively going to say I think she's (rsoultin) scum.
This is the most absolutely passive way I've ever seen BH talk about someone as scum. Blazinghand as a player and as a person is exceptionally cocky. Not confident, cocky. He is not unknown for screaming that someone's scum. He will out-talk, speak over other players, bully players, wiggle and litigate arguments, etc. just to get his point across. Blazinghand as town in no fucking way is he ever passive. Occaisionally, he will not play as town or not play as scum. But he's not a player to beat around the bush. As town, he's not going to mince his words. As town, BH will flat out call people scum; scream it from the heavens repeating and readjusting his argument just to convince people to vote with him. THIS IS NOT TOWN BH!!!! Town BH doesn't loosely be willing to agree to talk about how BH thinks a person is scum.
On May 14 2015 02:50 Blazinghand wrote: Hey Batsnacks, hope you're doing well. I'd like to chat with you about your (link) scumread on Sandro. As far as I can tell, this is your only scumread this game, and in fact that post represents the entirety of your contribution. That, plus the weird poem thing makes me think you've got some kind of Blue role, but nothing actually FITS you knowing Sandro is town or scum during D1. During N0 blue roles get the pm "town" so there's no actions. During D1, msot roles, especially inbestigative ones, don't have actions. For example, I could see you being a Coronor, who can "Can check the alignment and/or roles of unflipped players." according to the OP, but again, it's D1. When I was scumreading Sandro, I didn't think much of it, but since Sandro came through and actually did research about my meta, I don't really think it's possible that Sandro can be scum. He's gotta be town. So now I'm concerned about your read. What's the deal, man?'
Town!BH does not intentially try to out people during the night phase. Generally, outing blues in the night phase is pretty terrible play and BH has scolded people before for doing so. However, this type of play is one that's often seen on video mafia. There are a few potential options that BH is trying to do here: 1. BH is traitor and is trying to get mafia to consider an NK for blue snipe on Batsnacks 2. BH is mafia and is trying to setup a blue claim for his partner Batsnacks 3. BH is town and is trying to get mafia to kill lynchbait Batsnacks Here's the thing though, BH scolded GlowingBear here for not knowing about no N0 NKs. He knows that roles didn't go out until the end of N0. So BH is in part trying to establish a blue argument on a player based on the 13th post in the game. BH is clearly not trying or thinking critically here because that argument is the dumbfuckfest central. Then he goes on to point out the Batsnacks soft claim. As town, why would BH ever point this out during the night phase? Maybe it's Batsnacks trying to take a bullet. Maybe it's actually a soft. I don't know. But there's literally no point for BH to direct the soft to the thread's attention as town. The potential loss is almost always greater than the potential gain. BH is a player who is will to take risks as any alignment, but this one is that I don't think I've ever seen him take before as town while at least once arguing against such play. So it's pretty easy to eliminate option 3. I don't care if it's 1 or 2, either way he's not town for it.
Marv made an exceptionally sexy post about BH that I want to highlight. When I was looking at BH before and after the lynch, there was at least one exceptionally interesting thing about him. BH deflects from pressure. I don't mean that he pushes it on to other people. Rather, he takes the weakest point of anyone's argument and straw mans the argument so that he looks better. Instead of ever engaging or responding to good arguments (like the one I made that yamato responds to or the extended case the Marv wrote), never once does he address them. In the early case, he engages GlowingBear's weaker argument, never responds to mine and allows thread sentiment to just shift into BillMurray in the silence. In the case of Marv's argument, he interacts with everyone else around Marv's argument. He gets into a shitflinging fest with yamato. He explains how he'll be at dinner for 23 straight hours. He never actually bothers to respond to the main points because it lends credence to the points themselves. While this avoidance is reasonable to good play to avoid being lynched, it is rather telling that BH has continued to play this way.
Building upon a point Marv had made earlier, BH clearly isn't thinking or reading critically in any sense. He tried to point out Batsnacks for being blue based on a post that batty wrote after alignments were handed out but before roles were. I ask you, do you really think that Blazinghand is the type of person or player to not think while he's playing? Does he have a tendency as town to show a pattern of not critically thinking about the game in any realistic sense? Do you not want to lynch the ever living fuck out of him?
I trust none of you. The only masoned person to suspect you guys was Rsoultin. She got shot the exact moment she suspects those things. The other townie who was masoned was Damdred. So convenient.
The other masoned guys were yamato, TD, VE and Palmar. Yamato assumes there are two types of mason when the OP says nothing about it, instead of suspecting people. TD invites his slight scumread to a mason QT LOLOLOLOL. Marv claims to TD because he believes TD is town, never suspecting the oddity of having two town masons, but does not say he was recruited to the guys HE, BY HIMSELF, DECIDED TO RECRUIT.
I don't care for the mason claims anymore. We (especially I) wasted too much time on things that are WIFOM.
Here is what bugs me I think oats is Mafia I think marv is Mafia
My oats case is okay for me Marv keeps scumreading oats but does not consider him for the lynch. He raised suspicions on him TWICE on day1 and never revisited him. When I pointed out weird things on oats, marv ignored it. This kind of dismissal is too weird.
I don't like how Kelsier's activity dropped and he has a good shot on being scum Yamato just comes to the thread to berate me and I think he also has a fair shot on being scum. Truffle interest in the game also dropped too much. I feel he could be Mafia.
I think Onegu is trolly town I think Batsnacks is town for his pleb thing
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