Assassination Mafia! - Page 6

On May 14 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
60/65
3 from Bats, 2 from Onegu

I'm back, gonna cram as much stuff I can in the last half hour here....

Bats



I wasn't clear on why you were voting Sandroba. I'm not clear on where you stand now. You'd probably be in all honesty a slight scumlean at this point.

I wasn't even scumreading you (Sandroba was) the first time you asked this and you seemed worried I was going to push your lynch.

This go, I just did a voting analysis even though I had stronger reads on other people for other reasons. I get a paranoia feeling from you, I don't recall you asking questions like this before.

Kelsier I had some questions to TD - what do you think of TD's answers? It's a few posts after my post on Stutters.

As an aside, I'm getting more irritated with LS's posting. He's not coherent but that's not my problem with him. He's not particularly being helpful either even with the use of meta. I know he throws meta links and he's been criticised for that before as town, but the one distinct thing I'm noticing as this thread grows is that LS will post mainly after he's called out. I've noticed that 2-3 times. From what I'm reading, he's sheeping his town reads, but I am having difficulty discerning from a scum who is sheeping a wrong read. Tone wise, I townread him in his scumgames, so I am ignoring that. The main scum tell for him is not posting as much.

LS, do you have any stances on anyone new besides those you have mentioned?

On May 14 2015 09:03 Stutters695 wrote:
So, if it wasn't obvious it is now. I shot palmar.

On May 11 2015 21:01 Palmar wrote:
Btw if Trfel flips town we lynch BH for TMI and if he flips mafia we lynch BH for saving scumbuddy.

In conclusion we lynch BH.

On May 11 2015 23:46 Palmar wrote:

You have a new quest now JAT.

Find one person, outside of yourself, who took this post I wrote regarding BH seriously, as in something I actually wanted to do, and you will not be lynched.

However if you happened to be the only person in the thread boring enough to not notice that I was clearly just saying random shit, that makes you mafia because you're like the least funny, witty, relaxed person on earth when you actually are mafia.

##vote justanothertownie

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On May 12 2015 00:22 Palmar wrote:

You're so bad.

goddamnit rol

On May 12 2015 03:22 Palmar wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch RoL, his first post sounds really forced and picking on my obvious bs post was super opportunistic. I might elaborate a bit more tonight.

On May 14 2015 09:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey marv, why didn't you die?
Also why was damdred a mafia kill. Weird.

On May 13 2015 00:58 TalkingDead wrote:
I'm going to take a nap. I'm going to place my vote on Vivax. Palmer told me he was a 1.5 of the sexy scale and I've heard that he's nailed at least 1 scum team solely based on that. He also told me that if he weren't straight, that he would totally let me get in his pants. I don't think I believe him about that. He's never even had sex so I don't think he even knows what he would like.

On May 12 2015 08:55 TalkingDead wrote:
The best lynch right now is the BM policy lynch.

I disagree with yamato about GlowingBear's read on Blazinghand. It was something I was thinking at the time and reaffirms my townread on GlowingBear. It's less about how Blazinghand is using his role than it is about Blazinghand's approach to the game that's telling to me. I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand instantly negates the nuke on Trfel (empathy/sympathy/whatever) and I can imagine scenarios where Blazinghand tries to engage Palmer regarding shooting down the marvellosity Nuke (trying to get separate reads on a player who can be difficult to read). However, it's the contrasting approach which is quite interesting and relevant. Blazinghand while relatively insane is not stupid; he has far more to gain (as town) from interacting with Trfel to get a read on him. Trfel as I recall had a handful of posts at the time and, while I and many if I recall were soft townreading him, I don't think there's any strong definitive read to be made at that point. Rather, when the marvellosity (who was obviously town at that point) nuke is confirmed seeks approval. Blazinghand is the type of player who will literally march to the beat of his own drum to his own detriment. So the fact that he's seeking approval for doing something that's quite obviously townie is exceptionally out of character.

The closest thing to being semi-productive that Blazinghand has done this game is this post:


Normally, BH would have some crazy insane convoluted plan to find scum. He usually uses RNG to decide the day 1 lynch (more often as town than as mafia in my experience). Yet this game the closest thing to insane that he's done is the Trfel anti-nuke. His play is out of character even for him. Yes, the action usage is marginally useless, but the reasons (or more appropriately lack of reasons) behind his actions point towards him not being town.

On May 13 2015 08:56 TalkingDead wrote:

I'm not. I preferred the Blazinghand lynch. They're both good for entirely different reasons. Blazinghand is definitely more fun to lynch though.

On May 14 2015 04:20 TalkingDead wrote:
A few important things. Rsoultin's large posts are really, really off. When I have more time to write up a whole thing I'll do so, but there's very little sense being made in them and she's flat out lying about a few things.

More importantly, I want to address Blazinghand's recent scumclaim here. Blazinghand is an experienced player.

This is the most absolutely passive way I've ever seen BH talk about someone as scum. Blazinghand as a player and as a person is exceptionally cocky. Not confident, cocky. He is not unknown for screaming that someone's scum. He will out-talk, speak over other players, bully players, wiggle and litigate arguments, etc. just to get his point across. Blazinghand as town in no fucking way is he ever passive. Occaisionally, he will not play as town or not play as scum. But he's not a player to beat around the bush. As town, he's not going to mince his words. As town, BH will flat out call people scum; scream it from the heavens repeating and readjusting his argument just to convince people to vote with him. THIS IS NOT TOWN BH!!!! Town BH doesn't loosely be willing to agree to talk about how BH thinks a person is scum.

Second...

Town!BH does not intentially try to out people during the night phase. Generally, outing blues in the night phase is pretty terrible play and BH has scolded people before for doing so. However, this type of play is one that's often seen on video mafia. There are a few potential options that BH is trying to do here:
1. BH is traitor and is trying to get mafia to consider an NK for blue snipe on Batsnacks
2. BH is mafia and is trying to setup a blue claim for his partner Batsnacks
3. BH is town and is trying to get mafia to kill lynchbait Batsnacks
Here's the thing though, BH scolded GlowingBear here for not knowing about no N0 NKs. He knows that roles didn't go out until the end of N0. So BH is in part trying to establish a blue argument on a player based on the 13th post in the game. BH is clearly not trying or thinking critically here because that argument is the dumbfuckfest central. Then he goes on to point out the Batsnacks soft claim. As town, why would BH ever point this out during the night phase? Maybe it's Batsnacks trying to take a bullet. Maybe it's actually a soft. I don't know. But there's literally no point for BH to direct the soft to the thread's attention as town. The potential loss is almost always greater than the potential gain. BH is a player who is will to take risks as any alignment, but this one is that I don't think I've ever seen him take before as town while at least once arguing against such play. So it's pretty easy to eliminate option 3. I don't care if it's 1 or 2, either way he's not town for it.

Marv made an exceptionally sexy post about BH that I want to highlight. When I was looking at BH before and after the lynch, there was at least one exceptionally interesting thing about him. BH deflects from pressure. I don't mean that he pushes it on to other people. Rather, he takes the weakest point of anyone's argument and straw mans the argument so that he looks better. Instead of ever engaging or responding to good arguments (like the one I made that yamato responds to or the extended case the Marv wrote), never once does he address them. In the early case, he engages GlowingBear's weaker argument, never responds to mine and allows thread sentiment to just shift into BillMurray in the silence. In the case of Marv's argument, he interacts with everyone else around Marv's argument. He gets into a shitflinging fest with yamato. He explains how he'll be at dinner for 23 straight hours. He never actually bothers to respond to the main points because it lends credence to the points themselves. While this avoidance is reasonable to good play to avoid being lynched, it is rather telling that BH has continued to play this way.

Building upon a point Marv had made earlier, BH clearly isn't thinking or reading critically in any sense. He tried to point out Batsnacks for being blue based on a post that batty wrote after alignments were handed out but before roles were. I ask you, do you really think that Blazinghand is the type of person or player to not think while he's playing? Does he have a tendency as town to show a pattern of not critically thinking about the game in any realistic sense? Do you not want to lynch the ever living fuck out of him?

On May 14 2015 13:07 TalkingDead wrote:
I'm a little less sure on Marv for a few reasons, but I still think he's town. Mostly tone, thought process, similar reads type of thing. BH I'm thinking might be town. Mostly because of the sheeping Palmer thing. However I think the best reasons not to shoot either of them is that both give significantly more information if you lynch them (or try to lynch them). Right now I'm looking into other people.

On May 14 2015 21:44 Xatalos wrote:
Well I don't think that was the most terrible shot... Even if I was having doubts about BH being scum. At least he still had a fair chance of being scum and we now know that the lynch yesterday was between 2 town in the end.

KSC: I think that case is a bit WIFOMy, especially that part about BH getting shot. What do you mean with "generally obstructive" and how does that make him scum? How does wanting BH to be a lynch candidate instead of being shot contradict the possibility that he might be town? The way I see it, he just meant that having a wagon on him would be informative no matter his alignment.

I'm still thinking we should probably lynch LS today and wait a bit more on Onegu. I've agreed heavily with his posts about LS so that's the main reason.

On May 14 2015 21:48 Xatalos wrote:
HtS thinking about my voting behaviour is a point against her reads being static though. Probably shouldn't lynch her for the time being.

On May 15 2015 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:

Sandro was never in the QT. Marv added him the same night mafia targeted him.

On May 15 2015 01:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Why are you guys ignoring the fact that yamato asked like hell for me to shoot BH becausr it would be informational but does not use his flip and randomly starts talking about Onegu?

On May 15 2015 03:31 Half the Sky wrote:
14/60

A few points - Xatalos shot was not a bad one IMO (I mean seriously, he's fallen off again) although seeing his flip would have been really nice. I really do hope there is a coroner around this game.

My take on Onegu:

Argument between him and rsoultin - based on tone as I said before D1, I was seeing both town and scum tendencies in him. I was very torn that he's going after Rasputin, although basd on meta a key thing that made Rasputin scum was her tendency to hesitate for a post or two when people scumread her. She has adapted her scumgame well, but this game given the reasoning she's had particularly her long novel on n1, really makes me believe she's town.

Yeh the formatting of her posts has hurt my head sometimes, but her reads are pretty clear even if she doesn't use the exact language to scumread someone (ie this person is scum).

The key argument against Onegu regarding the case on Rasputin - to put it in one sentence - is that he's using ONE scumtell on her (instead of multiple that there are, and that he IS aware of, per our experience in NSM7) and a key scumtell I haven't seen is her hesitation for 1-2 posts before she responds if she is scumread. It's hard to articulate, but I haven't seen it here, and he's ignored that particular tell.

Separate from this argument, he's been pushing LS, who I also don't like this game at all either (but that's a separate issue) though I see he's claiming a blue role as well.

I'd say my biggest issue with Onegu is that he's really sparse with the scumreads. There are 4 scum remaining so if LS is blue, who is he scumreading now?

Basically your lynch isn't a bad one at this point.

On May 14 2015 14:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Marv is not confirmed town.

I literally JUST lost a game because people went on about suboptimal masoning in regards to masoning two mafia together, when for all we know a mason link doesn't even exist.

This is entirely wifom.

On May 13 2015 10:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Terrible switch to Vivax that really shouldn't have happened. Just because you read Marv as town doesn't mean you should just up and sheep him whenever he shows up ITT. He said he was stoned and he basically switched off of BH for no reason.



Why do people think this guy is town? He just name dropped more than a third of the game without any real sense of direction or context and just made almost all of them seem suspicious. It's an incredibly unfocused post and reeks of mafia casting doubt.

On May 12 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Beautiful.

Back to townpile with you.

On May 15 2015 06:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


>Quick townreads.
>Calls people suspicious.
>Isn't contributing.

You can't just say someone isn't contributing while saying their contributions are bad. The fact that my posts are small or one-liners is completely irrelevant.

Why are my quick townreads suspicious?
Why is my calling people suspicious suspicious in and of itself?
Where am I not contributing in my posts?

Your case is basically just a bunch of contradictions and buzzwords.

On May 15 2015 06:24 Half the Sky wrote:
22/60



....and I've just told you why your reasoning in of itself does not particularly make him mafia. I just gave an example of my own where he plays suboptimally as both alignments and him not taking your advice, my advice on things does not make him mafia.

So you either need to build a stronger case, or find another candidate for scum. Focusing on 1-2 scum at a time isn't going to save you as you're the leading wagon nor am I buying that argument for you not continually scumhunting.

The chances of you two double bussing as both mafia I'd say are low so if I had to pick a mafia from both of you, I'd say you over him. Given both of your respective gameplaying though I'd highly doubt it's town on town.

Also fairly confident Xatalos was scum, so him pushing LS as an easy lynch was plausible (yeah unflipped association, yeah I know...).

KSC, now that we know BH was flipped, go to the case that TD made on BH. Does anything strike you as potentially off? I am assuming you are more experienced playing with BH than I am.

As for Obi...he always posts one-liners and he doesn't bleed town as either alignment to be fair. His WIFOM post can come as either alignment. Don't agree with his post on you, you just gave a purposes where to start looking post-lynch.