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On May 13 2015 09:38 Stutters695 wrote: ##give 10 posts Blazinghand I plan on getting some stuff out tomorrow, don't waste those plz BH. Thanks, Stutters. I'll make sure to meet and/or exceed your expectations. I won't specifically mention any pms the host may or may not have sent me, but if *I* were hosting this game, I think the correct way to deal with Blazinghand's overposting would be to allow him 5 posts during N1 and 10 posts during the combined D2+N2 cycle. I'd be pretty surprised if Hapahauli diverged from this gold standard. Not saying anything about any PMs I may or may not have recieved from mods though, since that would be against the rules, just saying that I'd expect someone in my position to be allowed 5 posts N1 and 10 posts during D2+N2, and so some donations (AFTER THE START OF D2) would potentially be useful. Since I have 14 posts for tonight, I'll make sure to stay focused. I definitely pushed it with the amount of posts near the end of D1 there but it prevented me from getting lynched. Sadly, I didn't have the thread influence to make the yamato lynch happen. My initial plans for the N1 involve talking about Yamato a bit, and investigating a couple other scumreads. Probably not rsoultin, since I think it's not important to consider her unless she lives to D2 (she's a very very popular N1 shot since she's universally townread in very game). Then it would be time to talk about her. I'd be interested to hear a bit more from damdy about the his thoughts on what happened with BM and the nature of his Policy Shot. Although I appreciate stopping BM dominating the D1 discussion, what happened to the follow-up on LS and Xat? It's not the strangest thing you voted me (given that you didn't like the fact that I hesitated for like 30 seconds in thread to save Marv), but it *is* strange that you completely fell off on those reads. Maybe they just fell to the back of your mind, but I'ld like to hear what you have to say about them now, Damdred. KSC, I'd like to talk to you about the evolution of your reads on Rsoultin. Early on, you chat with her a bit, then you express some skepticism about her play early on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24234567 and wonder why people are so quick to (link) call her town. In your consolidated reads post (link) you judge a lot of people on their interactions with her then say she gives you brain cancer. you then adds Rsoultin to your "town cricle and Trfel, to his enormous credit, calls your out on it. KSC, your response is (link): rsoultin - I have trouble reading her posts , it seemed like she was reluctant to label anyone town or mafia hence my questioning, my town read comes from the fact that if you put the effort to decipher the posts she does give reads and the fact that I remember her as a standout from n0 makes her town to me. which does not actually jive with n0, unless by standout you mean "person who made lots of posts.". The fact that she made lots of posts isn't new information at this point, so I'm wondering if you could elaborate a little on your thought process back there, or was it just you decided that peopel who posted extensively N0 were town, and hadn't thought of that until later on? Your followup is to point out some posts by rso (link) then say (link) that her reasons for calling mafia are bad becasue she called people town. Now here's the thing, I think rsoultin's reason for her 180 on Xata, which is, and I quote, nd i dunnae xata just...eh. lol he can fool me easily. carol proved that. and i find it really difficult to believe he's already forgotten carol -_- and vivax going after him hard, cause i remember it quite clearly is probably one of the least convincing cases I've ever read. In fact, you definitely read this cause you bolded the text next to it. rsoultin then tells you about this reason, and your rsponse is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24246204 ok, i just didn't think "eh he fooled me before" was a good enough reason to do a 180 on a read. i'm sorry Rsoultin calls you out on it and phrases the read more forcefully (if she did this before then I could see it be a little more convicning and you have this interaction (link) in which rsoultin basically calls you bad and your response is to apologise and make excuses, and remember, this is after you say rsoultin's like, in your town circle or whatever, then you say this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24246281 and then this: On May 12 2015 11:37 KelsierSC wrote: okey dokey i don't really care about lynching you today. So now I'm confused. Are you null/confusedreading rsoultin, and don't know why people were townreading her (as earlier)? are you townreading her as part of your town circle? or are you scumreading her? or do you not want to lycnh her? Obviously there's a progression here, but I'm very very confused about what you are thinking near the end here. You then call Vivax's read on rso confusing (link) or confused, then vote Xat. Eventually, you end up here: On May 13 2015 09:51 KelsierSC wrote: i'm not sure how to evaluate RS actions EOD as apparently she had some personal vendetta to get bh lynched . not too happy if that is the case. I personally think there's quite a lot fish about RS (with the unusual amount of emotes, the super dense and difficult to read posts, and the "joking" vendetta that became serious during D1). I'd like to hear more about RS from you, KSC. IT seems like you're confused about your read WRT EoD stuff, but I'd also like to hear about what you were thinking as time went by during N0/D1 as well, when you have the chance. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Thanks for taking the time to respond! On May 13 2015 11:16 KelsierSC wrote: sure I can talk about that. N0 I didn't understand the town reads she got because of her style and it felt like she wasn't committing to any reads so she was hard to evaluate for me. when we got into day phase I wanted to evaluate her. I read what she had put down and i thought going through it that she was making reads it just took a bit of time to fish them out so I had her as town. I also based it on other people calling her town and at the time it was just how I felt about her. She was indeed a standout in my mind from the N0 because she had made a significant contribution in terms of posts. as for the interaction about her xatalos read, I think the 180 she did was absolutely terrible but sarcasm doesn't really come across well over the internet. the "i'm sorry" was a sarcastic response , basically continuing to state that her read switch was terrible. I made it clear with my follow up that I hadn't dropped any reads but that arguing that particular point wasn't going anywhere because she would just insult me or my reading and she is rather unpleasant to talk to. Maybe I could have committed more to that exchange but it was late , i'd been drinking , didn't really feel like carrying on. to clear up confusion at that point I was scum reading her but I was also aware I was drunk and didn't feel like pushing it along. I did say "i haven't dropped any reads" I still have a scum read of rs at this point but I haven't really read into what she did EOD, I need to see if her actions were motivated, as you pointed out, by a pathetic personal vendetta, or if she truly thought you were scum and had a good case. as for ending up on xatalos, he was my strongest scumread at the EOD , I made a case on him and pushed him for a long time. around EOD it was clear that no one wanted xatalos anymore and with the choice being you or vivax I decided that I thought you were town, i liked the post trefl and HTS made on vivax and other people on my town list had also voted him. I didn't want to waste my vote. hopefully that clears things up Hmm, okay, I see how your read progression worked. Thanks again for taking time to outline this. I haven't had a chance to seriously filter dive rsoultin yet, but it seems like a lot of her posts are really hard to read, even though she's giving solid reads. Her fake joking or non-fake non-joke (still not clear what's going on there) generally rings hollow for me, so I'm tentatively going to say I think she's scum. I'll take some time to read her reactions to the BM nuke situation in detail and see if what she said and thought makes sense. Let me know when you've had a chance to analyze her EoD stuff. The fact that something seems very off about her play to me makes me like, really suspicious of her. I'll have to figure out a way to write a case that everyone can get behind, but I'll make it happen. I promise on my honor as a Spaniard. I view there to be like, 4 or 5 pivotal events throughout D1 that could potentially have generated a lot of reads. BM's 2 nuke launches, the 2 anti-nukes, the pardon, the dayvig, and the wagon developments on Vivax, Xat, and myself (as well ast he EoD shenannigans). I'm going to be using that structure for the basis of my analysis of what people think. Batsnacks Hey Batsnacks, hope you're doing well. I'd like to chat with you about your (link) scumread on Sandro. As far as I can tell, this is your only scumread this game, and in fact that post represents the entirety of your contribution. That, plus the weird poem thing makes me think you've got some kind of Blue role, but nothing actually FITS you knowing Sandro is town or scum during D1. During N0 blue roles get the pm "town" so there's no actions. During D1, msot roles, especially inbestigative ones, don't have actions. For example, I could see you being a Coronor, who can "Can check the alignment and/or roles of unflipped players." according to the OP, but again, it's D1. When I was scumreading Sandro, I didn't think much of it, but since Sandro came through and actually did research about my meta, I don't really think it's possible that Sandro can be scum. He's gotta be town. So now I'm concerned about your read. What's the deal, man?' posts like this: On May 14 2015 01:43 batsnacks wrote: If you're town I strongly suggest you focus on something else for a while... At the very least until you can vote me  are obviously softclaiming Blue, except that no Blue would ACTUALLY do this. What's the deal, bats? You have the capacity in you for good play, and you must know as well as I do that with me and Palm protecting Sandro there's no way he's getting lynched. You'll have to convince us with an actual case, rather than strange hints, or this guy you think is scum (assuming you're not lying) won't get lynched. Fill me in brometheus? | ||
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Blazinghand
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Table of Contents (with links!) (link) Calling out Rso (link) Batsnacks Convo (link) RE: Gb's read on BM (link) BASICALLY A MONDO CASE ON GLOWINGBEAR resoultin On May 14 2015 03:13 rsoultin wrote: 79/79 Someone bothered to read it! \o/ Blazinghand and to a lesser extent VE clearly didn't, but that's okay. I realize that um...reading is like, hard. And stuff. Apparently. Or I'm just boring when I'm not giving people head cancer. I read it. Your stated read is that scumread me because I was inactive, despite the fact that I shot down nukes that you thought were a good idea to be shot down. It was actually WAY more legible than your usual post, and I think you for putting effort into it. The fact that you were willing to produce a post that wasn't punctuated with weird emoticons makes me less likely to scumread you for intentional obfuscation of yrou posts. In regards to what you consider joking or not, the fact of the matter is that you're either bad or scum, and when you try to make yourself legible like this, the third possibility (which is that you're actually good) shines through. Keep up the good work. I haven't had time to read your filter, becasue reading your writing is actually pretty awful usually, but I'll get around to you. Keep on claiming you're joking, though. That's a classic. The fact of the matter is, your reads on me are shit. They've always been shit, and it looks like unless you are wililng to learn from experience, or like actually read meta when you make or accept meta reads, they always will be. I'm sure you're a capable player in your own way, though. Here's what I want from you, rsoultin. For the rest of your game, post in a way that's comprehensible to other players. Every time you write a post that's mostly waffling, "..."s and smileys, or trying to make your reads seem non-serious or generally nonsensical, I will ignore that post except to note that it seems scummy (in effect, this is how some players already treat your posts. I was talking to some guy earlier, I think KSC? who legit was almost scumreading you, becasue of how you strcuture things). If you communicate in a responsible way, you can expect responsible communication from me. Otherwise, if you act like garbage, I'll treat you like the trash you are and take you out. Batsnacks On May 14 2015 03:02 batsnacks wrote: @BH would you have voted Sandro if not for survival purposes? Given that sandro only got like 1 or 2 not-me votes, your question doens't seem relevant. When I vote people for survival purposes, I generally announce that I'm doing so (as I did with Vivax). For some reason people like to think this is a scumtell, and almost wagoned back on to me for being honest about it. I don't hide my motivations from the town about these things. In any case, I voted Sandro cause Palmar voted him, and that's basically it. Palmar is usually right. When Sandro actually investigated my meta and like, did reading (he was literally the only person who bothered) I unvoted him. There's no way scum would bother ACTUALLY doing research about the case when literally nobody else was researching my meta, just making stupid uninformed statements about it. He had no reason to do that as scum, so I unvoted him. I trusted my own read more than Palmar's. Palmar apparently is now townreading Sandro also, so I feel pretty good about that. Nice try dojjing my questions though. What's the deal with the Sandro read? THE PARDON and GB's thoughts on BM: Nothing suspicious here, just some obesrvations and questions Hey Stutters, I'm sure you've got a lot on your plate, but I'd like to hear a bit more on your thoughts about THE PARDON. On May 13 2015 01:41 Stutters695 wrote: ##give 10 posts to Rsoultin Finishing catching up, what the fuck was that pardon? Sorry about my absence. Let's talk about the Pardon. note: GB Pardoned BM, in this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24247342 On May 12 2015 20:14 GlowingBear wrote: ##Pardon: Bill Murray Now lynch someone that is scum. Bye. basically, he's like "BM is town, don't lynch him" and pardons him, after both nukes and anti-nukes. This is pretty fitting with his hard defense of Bill (link) though it's worth noting he wavers(link) before later making up his mind that he will save Bill (link) after there's an outpouring of people giving BM posts (an outpouring that was never given to me in my time of need; my warning and censure is a result of that. if you get mad that my posts are super consolidated / long that's because you didn't give me posts yesterday. Give me some at the start of D2 and I will be more conversational) On May 12 2015 07:31 GlowingBear wrote: If truffle is town, BH was trying to get town cred If truffle is Mafia, BH was protecting a scum partner. I'd also like to note that this is pretty hilarious. You won't let the evidence get in yoru way GB???? Also, GB seems to have a major boner for getting me to give some kind of read on the essentially illegible BM: On May 12 2015 08:17 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I love you BH But no, I should be asking you. How can you stop two nukes without considering the launcher's alignment? Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, after BM was pardoned D1, it may not have been the worst idea to kill him, just cause he'd be a pain in the discourse. The no flip, though. that fuckin noflip gets me good because even though BM was probably town, if he was scum I'd be on e-z street collecting all mah towncred GB's thoughts on Blazinghand and weird EoD activity D1 Ok, getting a bit off topic here. I guess GB really had a described townread on Bill Murray. GB, I'd be interested to hear more from you about this. Clearly you were townreading Bill Murray hard, then you said there's no way we're lynching him, then when we tried, you PARDONED him. So here's an interesting question for you, GB. You very accurately pointed out it's pretty much impossible that BM and I would be on a scumteam together. It would be the hieght of stupidity for hte scumteam to waste two nukes AND two anti-nukes in such a fashion. It seems that even after BM got no-flip vigied, you're pretty confident he's town (not that tehre's anything wrong with that). You pardoned him. You gave him votes. You fought for him. And when people pointed out the possbility of weird things with his alignment (like Oats' suggestion of a BM BH scumteam) you pointed out the various flaws there. That's all fine, but I'm confused in how that plays in with your read of me. Your only actual vote of me was literally because you didn't want to vote with Marv (link) and otherwise your posting about me has been a little confused, to say the least. You scumread me for a strange reason here: On May 12 2015 07:52 GlowingBear wrote: To me, Kelsen, BH asked Palmar's permission so he could blame Palmar once marv flips read. This is somehow approaching WIFOM territory, but very plausible. when, there was like 20 seconds of me hesitating to save marv. wtheck dude, I didn't actually ask Palm's permission, IWas like "hey palm what should I do" since he has good reads then I was like "fuck it, I'll save marv". Now maybe your theory is I saved marv because like, I'm scum with him. Sure. But why the weird Palm permission thing that's obviously literally false? Then, starting after the Pardon you keep on asking people to lynch me without writing a case (link) (link) before voting Oats for reasons that you don't super elaborate until like, tonight (link) though of course you mention the inconrguities earlier. So at this point, you've scumread me and made vague efforts to form a lynch on me, and scumread oats and voted him. Then the vivax wagon collapses and everyone starts voting me, who is one of your scumreads. At this moment, people are unvoting vivax and voting me. On May 13 2015 07:25 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, this switch to BH wagon feels unnatural and I bet we have at least one scum in the main wagons. I'm voting Vivax or Oats today. No one else. On May 13 2015 07:28 GlowingBear wrote: YOU STUPID TOWN LOOK HOW EASILY THE WAGON ON BH WAS FORMED AND HOW EASILY VIVAX WAGON WAS DISBANDED JUST USE YOUR FUCKING BRAINS!!!!! This is after you say, On May 13 2015 00:53 GlowingBear wrote: Could you point out why Vivax or Xatalos are better lynches? Even if you already have. I'll save posts now. I'll probably deliver a case on oats for you to evaluate, and maybe that consolidated list post I am promising since start of the day To marv, and On May 13 2015 07:25 GlowingBear wrote: By the way, this switch to BH wagon feels unnatural and I bet we have at least one scum in the main wagons. I'm voting Vivax or Oats today. No one else. This is all very strange. Let me summarize my confusion on GB: So, to be clear, your first mention of vivax is like "why are vivax or xat better lynches??". Half the Sky responds with a SUPER lackluster case (link) which you never respond to, and then you're like "I'm only voting Vivax or Oats" about 6 hours later with no explanation (link) AT ALL. Okay, fine, whatever. And then, when people jump off the Vivax wagon and onto me, your fllip the FUCK out (link) DESPITE the fact that your'e also scumreading me apparently, so I guess I'm town now? Or maybe you mistrust the shenannies, I guess. But then, when people move BACK onto Vivax, who you reallyw anted to lynch over me, your other scumread, you vote me, the guy who you were really mad people were wagoning onto, on the basis of "not voting with marv" (link). So, I'm really confused here, GlowingBear. It seems like the obvious explanation here is that you're scum and wanted to seem frantic and cause confusion around the deadline as town waflled between two townies. However, maybe there's some actual thought process that coudl explain your actions right a deadline? Maybe some reasoning as to why you flipped out when people moved off of your vivax scumread and onto me? Was I not a scumread of yours, or was I? When people voted me, you were worried, but then when they voted vivax, you switched to me, despite being only willing to vote oats or vivax. Before you make up a | ||
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Blazinghand
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On May 14 2015 04:14 rsoultin wrote: I'm bad and refuse to write legibly. Although I'm good at not getting lynched as a townie, and admittedly bad at hunting scum or pushing my cases, I don't think being useful to town is my main goal this game. Instead, my goal is to survive. Being helpful is not important to me, since i'm an awful person and/or scum kk trash prepare to get taken out. you're obviously secondary to more important/relevant people like GB but you will not survive to and end game town victory this game, on my honor as a Scotsman | ||
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On May 14 2015 04:20 TalkingDead wrote: A few important things. Rsoultin's large posts are really, really off. When I have more time to write up a whole thing I'll do so, but there's very little sense being made in them and she's flat out lying about a few things. More importantly, I want to address Blazinghand's recent scumclaim here. Blazinghand is an experienced player. This is the most absolutely passive way I've ever seen BH talk about someone as scum. Blazinghand as a player and as a person is exceptionally cocky. Not confident, cocky. He is not unknown for screaming that someone's scum. He will out-talk, speak over other players, bully players, wiggle and litigate arguments, etc. just to get his point across. Blazinghand as town in no fucking way is he ever passive. Occaisionally, he will not play as town or not play as scum. But he's not a player to beat around the bush. As town, he's not going to mince his words. As town, BH will flat out call people scum; scream it from the heavens repeating and readjusting his argument just to convince people to vote with him. THIS IS NOT TOWN BH!!!! Town BH doesn't loosely be willing to agree to talk about how BH thinks a person is scum. Second... Town!BH does not intentially try to out people during the night phase. Generally, outing blues in the night phase is pretty terrible play and BH has scolded people before for doing so. However, this type of play is one that's often seen on video mafia. There are a few potential options that BH is trying to do here: 1. BH is traitor and is trying to get mafia to consider an NK for blue snipe on Batsnacks 2. BH is mafia and is trying to setup a blue claim for his partner Batsnacks 3. BH is town and is trying to get mafia to kill lynchbait Batsnacks Here's the thing though, BH scolded GlowingBear here for not knowing about no N0 NKs. He knows that roles didn't go out until the end of N0. So BH is in part trying to establish a blue argument on a player based on the 13th post in the game. BH is clearly not trying or thinking critically here because that argument is the dumbfuckfest central. Then he goes on to point out the Batsnacks soft claim. As town, why would BH ever point this out during the night phase? Maybe it's Batsnacks trying to take a bullet. Maybe it's actually a soft. I don't know. But there's literally no point for BH to direct the soft to the thread's attention as town. The potential loss is almost always greater than the potential gain. BH is a player who is will to take risks as any alignment, but this one is that I don't think I've ever seen him take before as town while at least once arguing against such play. So it's pretty easy to eliminate option 3. I don't care if it's 1 or 2, either way he's not town for it. Marv made an exceptionally sexy post about BH that I want to highlight. When I was looking at BH before and after the lynch, there was at least one exceptionally interesting thing about him. BH deflects from pressure. I don't mean that he pushes it on to other people. Rather, he takes the weakest point of anyone's argument and straw mans the argument so that he looks better. Instead of ever engaging or responding to good arguments (like the one I made that yamato responds to or the extended case the Marv wrote), never once does he address them. In the early case, he engages GlowingBear's weaker argument, never responds to mine and allows thread sentiment to just shift into BillMurray in the silence. In the case of Marv's argument, he interacts with everyone else around Marv's argument. He gets into a shitflinging fest with yamato. He explains how he'll be at dinner for 23 straight hours. He never actually bothers to respond to the main points because it lends credence to the points themselves. While this avoidance is reasonable to good play to avoid being lynched, it is rather telling that BH has continued to play this way. Building upon a point Marv had made earlier, BH clearly isn't thinking or reading critically in any sense. He tried to point out Batsnacks for being blue based on a post that batty wrote after alignments were handed out but before roles were. I ask you, do you really think that Blazinghand is the type of person or player to not think while he's playing? Does he have a tendency as town to show a pattern of not critically thinking about the game in any realistic sense? Do you not want to lynch the ever living fuck out of him? uh dude literally everyone knows bats is claiming blue, unless they're like super bad like rsoultin so fuck off. I'll read that post about Marv though if you'll link it. ATM reading other things | ||
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7/15 I promise that if I'm scum, you 100% die tonight. Since you're the main person who thinks I'm scum, when you're dead, I'll probably survive tomorrow. You won't be around to push me :D now taht I've said that, scum will shoot you, to incriminate me. or maybe this is cover so that when I shoot you I don't look bad, as scum. go, scumteam, go, and do my bidding. remove rsoultin from this game. | ||
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Intro So someone asked me about why I saved Trfel, and what my reasoning was for both the Trfel save and the Marv save. I think I owe it to everyone to sort of walk through what I Was thinking both during N0 and during the saves, as well as a more thorough explanation of Vivax. I don’t know how many people have really asked me direct questions but if anyone has any for me I’ll answer them. This is to address some concerns about my D1 play and I guess is a general defense post. Saving Trfel So people seem to have confusion or be scum reading me both for saving Trfel, and for like, questioning him first. In retrospect, if I was bringing my A game, probably the right move would be to reveal that I *could* save Trfel, then question him a bit, THEN save him. This would require a lot of effort and be the right move. What I did was basically be like “truffle are you town” and he was like “yarp” and I was like “ok i save u” and that was all there was to it. I don’t think having a scum read on BM or a town read on him is really relevant or necessary for this. Also, I’m not saying that mods sent me the wrong PM, but it’s entirely POSSIBLE they sent me the wrong PM and I thought I had infinite anti-nukes, so why not? Truffle wasn’t a good nuke target, and more likely to flip town then scum, so I Stopped the nuke. Didn’t think it was a big deal. Saving Marv People seem somehow, even more butthurt about the Marv save, though I think it was a fine move. Look, Marv is a truly great player. I joke around about being the best player or being better than rso (which I am, of course) but in reality, we’ve got a pretty stacked lineup this game. Marv is on the list of people who can win a game on his own through good scum reads and sheer bloody-mindedness when he’s town. I was gonna like, ask Palmar for a read on MArv, but then I realized, FUCK IT. Marv can be super useful as town, and although he’s also a talented scum player, he’s just so useful there’s no way I couldn’t save him. Yeah, I didn’t have a good reason, outside of that he’s Marv, but that alone IS a good reason. If he’s scum, someone will cop check him after he’s been alive for a couple nights, and if he’s town, well, then I fuckin kick ass as I always do. Yes, for a moment I was a pussy and thought I should ask Palmar for advice. But then I manned the fuck up and saved Marv. On my head be it, but my head houses an enormous, powerful brain. Marv now I’m gonna me like 9000% real, I haven’t really been paying attention to Marv. I’ve read every post in the thread, but apparently he’s written some huge post on me. Honestly, I suspect that even with my attempts to redirect the Nk onto rso, there’s a solid chance Marv dies tonight regardless if he’s town, so I’m not particularly worried about his case or anything. IF he lives, I’ll look into him, but I’d be a tiny bit astonished if he’s town and he makes it through the night. Even being wrong one me, Marv’s the kinda guy to figure things out and catch scum if not shot right away. Rs is a classic shot for being towered a lot, but not nearly as classic as actually shooting someone who knows how to catch scum. I guess I should go actually see what Marv is up to, so I’ll do that. Actually, if he does die, this might be like vital “last chance to talk to Marvellosity” time so I should make use of that huh Hue ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ddYkK6E.gif) Pictured: members of this town applying their scumhunting skills to drinking water | ||
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On May 14 2015 06:39 Stutters695 wrote: 33/60 Wat? In what world has infinite anti-nukes ever been a thing (serious question)? If it were me, I would immediately think that is wrong, but I haven't played in a lot of games with nukes. Additionally, do you actually have a read on anyone? With the anti-nukes, it felt like you were maybe playing like in Les Mis. That feeling is fading fast though. I haven't seen anything like I'd expect out of you and its pretty disappointing.  GB, Yam, RSoultin. Still haven't written up Rsoultin at all, and haven't written about yam yet tonight. Surely you didn't miss my GB case? I think it's prety damning. I should rewrite Yam to be more consolidated, of course, so I'm working on that. If youa ctually read my posts you'd be fucking astonished at how much work I've done. What's the deal dude? Hypothetically, if I recieved any werid pms from the mods, here's how I'd reply to that: The PM was like detailed and it said I can stop any nukes I wanted to so yes, I believed it. Believe you me, I was super duper butthurt when mods told me how many anti-nukes I had AFTER I used 2 of them? Yes, I was super duper butthurt. Who responds to a PM saying "hey, is this only 1-shot or 2-shot or something" when the PM clearly outlines that it's mult-use? are you kidding me? Come on, Stutters. In any case, in a hypothetical world where mods sent me an incorrect role PM, I didn't question it, and my ASSUMPTION is that most mods are pretty good about sending role descriptions, and I don't see why I'd be suspicious OF MY ROLE PM. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On May 14 2015 06:26 GlowingBear wrote:\ BH isn't just Mafia for anti nuking. He is Mafia because he was useless day1 and his initial reads were regarding imprecise game mechanics, easy excuse for Mafia to make reads. When I posted the contradiction regarding the mechanics, he kept with his argument instead of clarifying it with the hosts (ergo: he wanted that to be true so he could have those reads instead of he BELIEVED that it could be true). I've asked the mods and they said Mafia gets to known their partners night0. 1. OK, you've asked the mods, and ACCORDING TO YOU I was wrong about my thing. but given that mods literally said this: On May 10 2015 07:35 Hapahauli wrote: The game will start in a Night 0 setup phase. Players will receive partial Role PM's that indicate whether or not they're "Town", "Mafia", "Third Party", or "Traitor" (if the latter two exist). These will be the exact contents of the Role PMs. The setup phase will last 24 hours, in which people are free to talk. After Night 0, full role PMs will be sent out and the game will start. Mafia do not have KP during Night 0. I think you're literally lying about whether or not you've been pming the mods about this. Mods LITERALLY SAID, and I QUOTE, Players will receive partial Role PM's that indicate whether or not they're "Town", "Mafia", "Third Party", or "Traitor" (if the latter two exist). These will be the exact contents of the Role PMs. THE EXACT CONTENTS. "MAFIA". So here's what I think. I think that your'e lying THROUGH YOUR TEETH. I think that you've made up this hilarious story about how silly BH wasn't understanding the game, but I think I've understood it perfectly. The mods told us EXACTLY what was in the Pms, and I know EXACTLY What was in mine, and also, Mafia didn't have nks or powers Night 0, so I think it's completely reasonablet hey didn't know each other. The fact that I tried to use this to narrow down who was town and who was scum should not count against me, because I'm RIGHT. And I don't think youv'e been PMing the mods, I think you're talking out of your ass, trying to make me look bad becasue I already look bad. Well, nice try sidestepping the case and making up Mod PMs, Gb. I'm fuckin calling you out, here and now. Let's throw down, buddy. Do you even lift? On May 14 2015 06:26 GlowingBear wrote:\ More than that, even believing in the reads from those mechanics, he completely forgets those reads and calls me town now over a illusory contradiction. But he called me town based on that mechanics. Yeah, those reads don't matter compared to, say, the MONDO case I wrote on you. But it was a start. Sure, you took a risk by scumreading some guy apparently or wahtever it was Past Blazinghand said. But whatever. What you did and said makes NO SENSE, and I've PROVEN it. You can't just CALL it contradictory and leave it there. Inf act, I'll quote the summary here. People WILL read it and you WILL be caught, GlowingBear. You're going down scummingbear On May 14 2015 04:02 Blazinghand wrote: This is all very strange. Let me summarize my confusion on GB: So, to be clear, your first mention of vivax is like "why are vivax or xat better lynches??". Half the Sky responds with a SUPER lackluster case (link) which you never respond to, and then you're like "I'm only voting Vivax or Oats" about 6 hours later with no explanation (link) AT ALL. Okay, fine, whatever. And then, when people jump off the Vivax wagon and onto me, your fllip the FUCK out (link) DESPITE the fact that your'e also scumreading me apparently, so I guess I'm town now? Or maybe you mistrust the shenannies, I guess. But then, when people move BACK onto Vivax, who you reallyw anted to lynch over me, your other scumread, you vote me, the guy who you were really mad people were wagoning onto, on the basis of "not voting with marv" (link). So, I'm really confused here, GlowingBear. It seems like the obvious explanation here is that you're scum and wanted to seem frantic and cause confusion around the deadline as town waflled between two townies. However, maybe there's some actual thought process that coudl explain your actions right a deadline? Maybe some reasoning as to why you flipped out when people moved off of your vivax scumread and onto me? Was I not a scumread of yours, or was I? When people voted me, you were worried, but then when they voted vivax, you switched to me, despite being only willing to vote oats or vivax. Before you make up a GLOWINGBEAR IS SCUM | ||
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Blazinghand
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On May 14 2015 07:38 sandroba wrote: BH, I find it hard to believe that you think that any mafia would pardon BM d1 in that situation. Actually, I think the pardon he did was a pretty natural progression of his reads. I kinda started working on that before the case (Which is bellow it in that post) and then realized that it makes sense (you can see him defending BM, then gradually deciding keeping BM alive is important). This is a valid point in defense of GB. That being said, however, I'm still waiting for an explanation from GB about what exactly he was up to with his votes around the end of D1. I've explained, not necessarily a contradiction, but a very strange series of posts and votes. If it's really an "illusory" contradiction as he claims, it should be trivial for him to describe his thought process for why he ended up where he did and voted as he did and reacted as he did during the swap from Vivax (his scumread) to me and back by several players. His weird fixation on like, mod PMs (something I mentioned at the start and has not been the focus of my play since I really got into the game) and determination to avoid talking about the end of D1 are pretty suspicious. Is this pardon fitting with a train of thought that develops naturally? Sure, absoluletely. That doesn't mean that I don't have questions for him, or that I don't find what he did at the end of D1, or what's happening now, scummy. It doesn't mean he can't be scum. I think BM was town, and the pardon on him was PROBABLY town-motivated, and yet... can you really sthink that any town would react as GB did at the end of D1 in that situation? You see, this is why I want him to respond. This is why we need reactions from him. Not just him calling stuff illusory and peacing out. If GB wont' react and interact with the town discourse, he's scum and must be lynched. Regardless of that. And that's what he's doing, so he's scum and must be lynched. I still need to finish up Yam and Rso of course though to determine order. any suggested reading fir me, Sandro? oh, what's this, we got some kind of weird Marv case that people have a million hardons for? No, I think Marv will have, to an extent, moved on by the start of D2 but best not to have this albatross around my neck when I need to conserve my 10 D2/N2 posts for hunting scum (remember, donations will be welcome!). So I'll take some time to address it. First, the case (which is in 2 parts...) On May 13 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote: BH could be mafia after all, because he's joined what is a pretty terrible sandroba wagon when what I posted should at least be enough for sandroba not to be lynched today. I don't understand how he can on one hand shoot down a nuke headed for me and then on the other hand completely ignore my fleshed out opinion on sandroba. I said earlier that I wasn't going to lynch someone who shot a nuke coming down on me, but the arguments about his lack of scumreads ---> sheeping this case on sandroba made my read do an about turn I was leaning town on Palmar as well, but I also don't understand how he can ask me a question about sandroba, get a fuller response than I normally bother to give (apparently i like talking about good players or something) and then say "well, marv said all that but my points still stand herp derp" There are also too many outlier votes right now. I dislike Xata a little less than before, but would lynch in a pinch. Still finding it very difficult to believe that Vivax plays like this as town ##unvote ##Vote: BlazingHand I don't believe BH "buys" Palmar's case. I think Palmar's case on sandroba is at best misguided tunnelly town and BH has been around long enough (and played with sand enough) to be able to at least grapple with this On May 13 2015 07:09 marvellosity wrote: BlazingHand made a lolreply (more scumpoints from Palmar for me \o/) to Obi where he altered his quote to try to say "well i do this as town as WELL as mafia". The thing was, in... er... Aperture, kita made quite a good meta case about how scumBH doesn't actually do anything where town-BH is strung into action. And that's what's happening here. The thing with BH is that he's very obviously selectively reading the thread, and disregarding the stuff that he doesn't like. So it goes 1.Palmar case on sandroba 2.sometime later marv makes a sandroba defence 3.BH sheeps 1, disregards 2 Then I also made my case on BH based on this, but BH ignores it completely and later only responds to my post where I lumped him (or something) in with Vivax, and saying he's not like Vivax. but it totally disregards what i said in the first place. So that's 2 strikes. I literally cannot reconcile, at all, how he keeps saying we should sheep this Palmar case d1 when it was a really bad case. Even earlier in the thread he made some post about "Palmar and marv being the only ones possibly more skilled than me" yet it seems like he's totally ignoring me for convenience. ok, so I get what mark was saying about the sandro wagon. You’ll note that, in fact, I did end up town reading sandro for my own reasons. maybe it was a shit read, but we all have shit reads. The rest of the case is talking about how I’d been useless all D1 and bought an incorrect case. This is all correct and still is a bad reason to lynch me, I usually am shit D1 so yeah there you go marv, hard to scum read me for being shit when i’m normally shit he kekekekekekke hue Part 2 is a little more interesting. I would note that as scum, I’m actually capable of great things (some player, I recall, said that my meta was to be inactive as scum, then when I started getting active, said my meta was to be active as scum. Yamato maybe?). In any case, I’m kicking serious butt in thread now so I’m gonna write this off as “was true, not true any more” so clearly my role PM changed from a scum pm to a town pm hue uh, the fact that I ignored mark’s defense of sandro when I swapped back isn’t super relevant imo. literally the reason I was voting sandro was cause I didn’t have legit scum reads so I sheep palm. later I had my own, excellent reason for invoting, which is that Sandro actually did research which I can’t imagine scum doing when he could just say “hue hue scum bh meta” or something. But yeah, in terms of me ignoring these cases, basically guilty as charged, but roughly speaking here’s how Marv’s Case works “If A then B” (If Blazinghand does A, that makes Blazinghand Scum) “A is true” (Here’s some examples of blazing hand doing A) therefore B (Therefore BH is scum) now, the thing is…. A *IS* true. I HAVE been basically fucking off all D1, not paying attention, having shitty reads, etc. Sure. That’s true. And yet, I’m still town, so like, What marvell has here is some evidence that he says makes me scum. The evidence is there. Yes. But it doesn’t make me scum. Like, I see a lot of evidence for my play being SHITTY and LAZY, sure, and yes, I’m CAPABLE of that as scum, but I don’t think that anyone can REALLY Say with a straight face “BH being Lazy is a scum trait for him, he is not lazy as town” the closest you’d get to that is that generally as town I’m SUPER lazy during D1, especially if I can ride a claim, then I’m like ultimate tier lazy (unless a VT counterclaims me, grrrrrrrr). But I *do* shape up, and boy, it’s really rarely during D1 that the shapeup happens. I even called earlier that I’d be snapping up N1 this game, and here I am producing more content than everyone else combined. So yeah, I mean, marvell points out some suspicious things of me, yet here I am, still town. Not really much to object to, he presents evidence, but my scumminess does not follow. | ||
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On May 14 2015 08:38 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: if I die, palmar is scum. ಠ_ಠ | ||
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On May 14 2015 08:59 Blazinghand wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ_bUIFwHJI | ||
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Another town carried to victory by the tireless blazinghand! | ||
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Blazinghand
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On May 17 2015 02:57 KelsierSC wrote: you did save mafia marv though. scum siding town amirtie 2nd nuke was fake, so actually I carried even harder | ||
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On May 17 2015 04:09 Damdred wrote: All praise bh who said he was good enough to,catch mafia marv and lo and behold marv was mafia So I wished it; so it was done. On May 17 2015 04:12 justanothertownie wrote: And who also sheeped scum Palmar on obvious town sandro. Praise BH. So next level I cannot be comprehended by mere mortals! On May 17 2015 04:17 GlowingBear wrote: BH I shot you because you were so good that my mortal eyes couldn't comprehend. Too much light in my eyes My beauty is blinding | ||
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