Assassination Mafia! - Page 5

On May 13 2015 02:31 Xatalos wrote:








I can't explain what Oats is doing with his reads either. What happened to your scumread on sandroba suddenly, Oats? You're accusing him for a while and suddenly he's just incomprehensibly town.

On May 12 2015 22:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sandro is playing wayyyy differently than any of the scum games Ive seen him in.

On May 13 2015 04:35 Vivax wrote:
Oh and I forgot JAT. Rso can go to townish pile for now but didn't read carefully yet.

On May 12 2015 04:49 Vivax wrote:
Rso no that much of a pita in this game, what's going on? Actually explaining her reads all the time not just interfering with other people's.

Might be she's aiming for the townie of the month award but then that's what's odd about all of that.
Also she seems particularly attentive to stuff adressed to her, also feels unusual.

Metatonish read, not the rso I'm used to who was always the townie one.

On May 12 2015 03:46 Xatalos wrote:
Well the only stronger reads I have so far are a scumread on LS, a townread on sandroba and a townread on Damdred. Can't say something is strong if it simply isn't.

On May 12 2015 04:00 Xatalos wrote:
Could lynch Vivax so far. He hasn't done much and what he's done is sheeping thread sentiment on myself and randomly scumreading Damdred for a pretty far-fetched reason. Both targets for suspicion-spreading are probably town. I think his scum meta was being useless which fits here well enough.

Not really sold on TD. I think his reads seem decent enough and he's put in some effort. How exactly is he "blending in" or something?

On May 13 2015 02:00 Xatalos wrote:




Tbh I think Onegu *is* actually soft claiming Traitor here. "Not happy about being town", "I want to be scum".... Even with the actual word "Traitor" in there. It's pretty blatant, yeah, but it would make sense to be somewhat obvious to get the scumteam to notice you. I think he just went slightly overboard there while doing that.



Then there's this... Basically he's defending himself using the argument that he was too stupid / didn't think when posting that. It just feels off that he would specifically defend himself using the "dumb" argument. I get the feeling that he planned it out and was preparing to use that defense just like this after fulfilling the purpose of signaling the scumteam.

He's also not really interested in figuring the game out at all. He's just wasting his N0 posts, continues wasting his D1 posts (giving some shallow reads and one-liners like going through the motions, but otherwise nothing noteworthy)...




His most recent post showcases the lack of interest in anything useful, even going so far as to push scum agenda (simultaneously wasting his posts and fueling the fire/chaos in thread).



Weird defense of BM? I really don't get what this is supposed to mean. Unfortunately we apparently can't know BM's alignment anymore.



This is pretty much his biggest contribution to the game. Pretty... inconclusive / weak. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't the only thing he did so far.

On May 13 2015 02:31 Xatalos wrote:








I can't explain what Oats is doing with his reads either. What happened to your scumread on sandroba suddenly, Oats? You're accusing him for a while and suddenly he's just incomprehensibly town.

On May 12 2015 20:16 KelsierSC wrote:
Morning everyone, I think i'm right near the cap limit so don't want to make too many posts , just going to update where i'm at and who I would vote on.

Firstly though

On May 12 2015 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
BH is town probably.

This shit is so bad though

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On May 12 2015 02:50 Xatalos wrote:
About BM: Never played with him before. His nuke spectacle was basically an anti-town way of using the ability, so it might be necessary to policy lynch him or just Vig him. Typically crazy plays come a bit more often from town than scum so that holds me back from just saying anti-town -> scum.

What a waffley defence that is super weird.
I read this and instantly thought of scum asking xata to defend BM and this is what he came up with.

I think this point is really good, this reminds me of the Carols game where I made some awful play as mafia and xatalos made up some waffle to defend me for it, furthermore in that game damdred made a point that xatalos looks more like town when he is mafia, his play this game seems formulaic town.

I think this is a good read from oats and I won't lynch him today.



I drank a whole bottle of wine last night and was pretty fucked up but I thought that onegu felt town in the exchange, he showed some good buck , the points against him were pretty weak all it amounted to was that he claimed traitor or something stupid like that.


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I would lynch BM, reading his posts it's just awful I can't really give it a better word. something like 12 hours after his nukes he gives these long winded reasons about how he wants to "generate conversation" in a thread where things were already being talked about, then says how he has this huge burden and wants to make people aware of it.

he looks for a lynch on onegu with this dumb shit



yeh onegu claimed traitor ok, and then gives 3 people who are the thread sentiment mafia.
posts a load of stuff about onegu

then trefl his mafia, but town for lurking is now mafia again



a very weak read overall he just seems to bounce around trying to get something to stick that isn't himself.

his nuke play was scummy, taking that out, the rest of his play has been terrible
I don't understand how anyone has a townread on him at all and he needs to be removed from the game.

So moving on.

I'd probably lynch
BM, Xat, TD,

in that order.

The only thing that gives me pause about lynching BM is that TD has basically pushed that and nothing else. my earlier points on TD still stand and are available to view in my filter.
His read on oats is a total fabrication,



saying oats isn't being abrasive isn't supported by the first line of oat's statement.

So aside from a weak oats read TD has tried to push a lynch on BM and has raised the point that "even if he is town he will just be a pain to hear about"...giving himself an excuse for when BM flips town? you lynch the guy you think is mafia you don't lynch the guy who is town but will be a pain to read about. if you don't want to read about him then you can push discussion elsewhere in the next phase.

The likely scenario for me is that I will listen to palmar, marv and damdred and cast my vote to kill any of my scum reads.

I have other scumreads but not really worth discussing, incidentally where has JAT gone to?

I also want to hear something from bats, just anything really

On May 13 2015 07:17 Xatalos wrote:
I have to wake up very early tomorrow so I'll try to make this brief.

HtS - Could you explain why you're still just referencing your old case on me when it was made based on like the first 25% of my posts? I don't think you've really touched on anything after that. You're even still talking about "murky reads" or something... Based on my first brief read post I guess.

KSC - you're just flat out misrepresenting things. Like you saying that my post about Oats was wrong when you never bothered to do anything about the post where I explained why YOU were wrong. And me voting Vivax rather than myself (duh?). And going after Onegu as an "easy target" (does scummy = easy these days?). He wasn't even being voted at all.... Just what....

I think we should probably lynch Onegu, Vivax or BH. I'd really, really rather not day my tomorrow to stay up until the lynch.

On May 13 2015 07:25 Xatalos wrote:


You never responded to my response about Oats and went ahead with that part in your case anyway....

And I already explained earlier that I agreed with marv on BH....

But I guess you're just not reading.

On May 13 2015 07:54 Trfel wrote:
Bleh.

I'd still want to lynch Onegu the most, but it seems that the lynch is between Vivax, Blazinghand, and Xatalos.

In which case I think that the best chance is with Vivax.

I don't find Xatalos terribly scummy from the perspective of him being extremely busy and not having the time to make really deep reads. He isn't pretending that he is playing at his full ability.

I don't really like Blazinghand, but he hasn't really made reads yet. I mislynched him last game, and he's willing to do whatever he feels like. I just don't feel confident that he is scum because he hasn't given very much to work with.

I don't see what is so impressive about Vivax's posting as of late. His posts don't feel like they have any direction or focus, and he isn't elaborating on his main scumreads. He's pushing reads all over the place, but nothing is very well explained or detailed. Furthermore, Vivax is going to be away for a while, so there will be no more information with which to read him.

On May 13 2015 08:45 Trfel wrote:
Does anyone want to switch to KelsierSC?

The only reason that I think he is town is meta and activity. Meta being that he was very aggressively poking at people earlier, but in his town games he tends to townread people early (this is uncertain, though, since I did not find a scum game of his where he posted early in the game).

His reads have changed with seemingly little reason and his focus has been on the wrong things. I find it hard to see his reads coming from a town mindset.

On May 13 2015 08:49 yamato77 wrote:

ksc's reads are always terrible

he's just town

On May 13 2015 10:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kiel, how did I float under the rader?

Yamato looks scummy as fuck for not saying anything other than lynch bh multiple times.

On May 13 2015 10:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Terrible switch to Vivax that really shouldn't have happened. Just because you read Marv as town doesn't mean you should just up and sheep him whenever he shows up ITT. He said he was stoned and he basically switched off of BH for no reason.



Why do people think this guy is town? He just name dropped more than a third of the game without any real sense of direction or context and just made almost all of them seem suspicious. It's an incredibly unfocused post and reeks of mafia casting doubt.

On May 13 2015 10:48 Blazinghand wrote:
1/15 (including the generous donation from stutters)



Thanks, Stutters. I'll make sure to meet and/or exceed your expectations. I won't specifically mention any pms the host may or may not have sent me, but if *I* were hosting this game, I think the correct way to deal with Blazinghand's overposting would be to allow him 5 posts during N1 and 10 posts during the combined D2+N2 cycle. I'd be pretty surprised if Hapahauli diverged from this gold standard. Not saying anything about any PMs I may or may not have recieved from mods though, since that would be against the rules, just saying that I'd expect someone in my position to be allowed 5 posts N1 and 10 posts during D2+N2, and so some donations (AFTER THE START OF D2) would potentially be useful.

Since I have 14 posts for tonight, I'll make sure to stay focused. I definitely pushed it with the amount of posts near the end of D1 there but it prevented me from getting lynched. Sadly, I didn't have the thread influence to make the yamato lynch happen. My initial plans for the N1 involve talking about Yamato a bit, and investigating a couple other scumreads. Probably not rsoultin, since I think it's not important to consider her unless she lives to D2 (she's a very very popular N1 shot since she's universally townread in very game). Then it would be time to talk about her.

I'd be interested to hear a bit more from damdy about the his thoughts on what happened with BM and the nature of his Policy Shot. Although I appreciate stopping BM dominating the D1 discussion, what happened to the follow-up on LS and Xat? It's not the strangest thing you voted me (given that you didn't like the fact that I hesitated for like 30 seconds in thread to save Marv), but it *is* strange that you completely fell off on those reads. Maybe they just fell to the back of your mind, but I'ld like to hear what you have to say about them now, Damdred.

KSC, I'd like to talk to you about the evolution of your reads on Rsoultin. Early on, you chat with her a bit, then you express some skepticism about her play early on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24234567 and wonder why people are so quick to (link) call her town. In your consolidated reads post (link)
you judge a lot of people on their interactions with her then say she gives you brain cancer. you then adds Rsoultin to your "town cricle and Trfel, to his enormous credit, calls your out on it. KSC, your response is (link):



which does not actually jive with n0, unless by standout you mean "person who made lots of posts.". The fact that she made lots of posts isn't new information at this point, so I'm wondering if you could elaborate a little on your thought process back there, or was it just you decided that peopel who posted extensively N0 were town, and hadn't thought of that until later on?

Your followup is to point out some posts by rso (link) then say (link) that her reasons for calling mafia are bad becasue she called people town.

Now here's the thing, I think rsoultin's reason for her 180 on Xata, which is, and I quote,



is probably one of the least convincing cases I've ever read. In fact, you definitely read this cause you bolded the text next to it. rsoultin then tells you about this reason, and your rsponse is:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24246204



Rsoultin calls you out on it and phrases the read more forcefully (if she did this before then I could see it be a little more convicning and you have this interaction (link) in which rsoultin basically calls you bad and your response is to apologise and make excuses, and remember, this is after you say rsoultin's like, in your town circle or whatever, then you say this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24246281



and then this:



So now I'm confused. Are you null/confusedreading rsoultin, and don't know why people were townreading her (as earlier)? are you townreading her as part of your town circle? or are you scumreading her? or do you not want to lycnh her? Obviously there's a progression here, but I'm very very confused about what you are thinking near the end here. You then call Vivax's read on rso confusing (link) or confused, then vote Xat.

Eventually, you end up here:



I personally think there's quite a lot fish about RS (with the unusual amount of emotes, the super dense and difficult to read posts, and the "joking" vendetta that became serious during D1). I'd like to hear more about RS from you, KSC. IT seems like you're confused about your read WRT EoD stuff, but I'd also like to hear about what you were thinking as time went by during N0/D1 as well, when you have the chance.