On May 12 2015 19:05 marvellosity wrote: Although (p48) BM is still trying surprisingly harder than he might if he were mafia. And with longer posts than usual too. meh
it is the argument
but his reads are unreasonable and too erratic, really
going to look at how he played in boardwalk
I've looked at it. Significantly less effort. Very short posts. Mostly careless. That said, the situations aren't really comparable in any realistic way.
On May 12 2015 19:05 marvellosity wrote: Although (p48) BM is still trying surprisingly harder than he might if he were mafia. And with longer posts than usual too. meh
it is the argument
but his reads are unreasonable and too erratic, really
going to look at how he played in boardwalk
I've looked at it. Significantly less effort. Very short posts. Mostly careless. That said, the situations aren't really comparable in any realistic way.
bleh
like I said, BM is just not that easy to read this game
Yah, but do you really want to hear people repeat the argument for the next four phases? Can't you at least consider the policy lynch of "killing him now will annoy me less that having to listen retards talk about him constantly for couple of days"? I'd imagine there's some major appeal for you there.
On May 12 2015 19:05 marvellosity wrote: Although (p48) BM is still trying surprisingly harder than he might if he were mafia. And with longer posts than usual too. meh
it is the argument
but his reads are unreasonable and too erratic, really
going to look at how he played in boardwalk
I've looked at it. Significantly less effort. Very short posts. Mostly careless. That said, the situations aren't really comparable in any realistic way.
bleh
like I said, BM is just not that easy to read this game
Yah, but do you really want to hear people repeat the argument for the next four phases? Can't you at least consider the policy lynch of "killing him now will annoy me less that having to listen retards talk about him constantly for couple of days"? I'd imagine there's some major appeal for you there.
This is a kinda similar argument to what i had in my head, which was:
if we don't lynch him now, we're never gonna lynch him.
So you're saying I can read your mind... Do tell me more.
On May 12 2015 19:05 marvellosity wrote: Although (p48) BM is still trying surprisingly harder than he might if he were mafia. And with longer posts than usual too. meh
it is the argument
but his reads are unreasonable and too erratic, really
going to look at how he played in boardwalk
I've looked at it. Significantly less effort. Very short posts. Mostly careless. That said, the situations aren't really comparable in any realistic way.
bleh
like I said, BM is just not that easy to read this game
Yah, but do you really want to hear people repeat the argument for the next four phases? Can't you at least consider the policy lynch of "killing him now will annoy me less that having to listen retards talk about him constantly for couple of days"? I'd imagine there's some major appeal for you there.
This is a kinda similar argument to what i had in my head, which was:
if we don't lynch him now, we're never gonna lynch him.
So you're saying I can read your mind... Do tell me more.
if you didn't just get naked, you can't read my mind
I couldn't. I was naked from the start and was too lazy to put on clothes just to take them off.
On May 12 2015 21:42 Palmar wrote: I don't think VE is mafia and I hate the fact I disagree with you on everything sandroba.
This. So much this. I don't even understand why VisceraEyes is even on that list in the first place. I think his reads are wrong, but they're also pretty exceptionally egocentric. That in the least heavily points toward town VisceraEyes. I wouldn't put VisceraEyes anywhere near being a good lynch let alone a good policy lynch.
He's fluctuated in usefullness last I knew although I think tending to hit a bit more useful as town in general. It's not just the VE read. You're preferred lynches are three policy lurker lynches and VE. Not Xatalos who Damdred made a good post on late in his filter. Not Vivax who has been rather uninteresting at best and, if I recall, openly "tanking" his game; something he'd be more than willing to claim as mafia. Not Oats who, if I recall, you agreed pretty heavily with my earlier points on. Not Onegu who is BOTH a lurker AND playing a game which is reasonably different from his normal town game. Not LIghtningStrike who is both less active, less excited to play AND less filter/meta-divey than he usually is as town on top of his odd opening. You don't include someone like ObiWanShinobi who is a decent shot for blendy scum.
Like your reads are drastically different from mine and from most other veterans. On top of that you're going after lurkers which I don't think I've ever seen you do before as town.
Also. People need to keep their votes on BillMurray for a while. We need to make sure he can't launch any more nukes until a vigilante deals with him. Muy importante!!!!!!
On May 12 2015 23:09 Palmar wrote: you're right that was a bit dick-ish, sorry LS
But the point stands. Sandroba not posting as mafia in one game does not mean he cannot post in another, and because of the filter limitations it's not exactly hard to post 3 pages of stuff in one game.
Same with RoL. He's lazy and shit as either alignment. But he did jump a dumb remark from me (apparently a lot of people here are literally sheldon).
Like maybe I'm just wrong and bad about sandroba, projecting my own personality on him too much but he's now done two things this game where I just think "If I was towndroba in this situation I'd have reacted completely differently". Aside from my initial point about how him saying he'd keep an eye on marv was basically a pointless sentence that doesn't fit in (If he doesn't say that, can we then assume he's not keeping an eye on marv? Isn't the default position in all mafia games to always keep an eye on everyone?), there is more too.
1). Sandroba's reaction to me calling him scum.
On May 11 2015 23:30 sandroba wrote:
On May 11 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote: Every time I say something really dumb the thread dies.
fixed it for you.
I wouldn't mind killing jat either.
Dismissal. He doesn't defend against my point and he doesn't try to use it to pry into my own alignment. He just outright dismisses my stuff, only to come back later and say:
On May 12 2015 19:55 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 Palmar wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:49 sandroba wrote:
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
Which implies he doesn't know why I think he's mafia, when I had already explained it then.
Also
2). His reaction to the BM pardon.
Sandroba literally just made this case on BM:
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
And his primary scumread gets pardoned.
This is fucking sandroba people. Not some random scrub who doesn't know jack shit about the game. Again, I may be projecting my own personality but I'd be so mad at this.
Think how I would've reacted if anyone would've pardoned GB in mini mafia mini thing or someone had pardoned WoS in noir 3. I was mad enough with people just not listening to me. But someone actively shutting me down? Fuck that.
I don't think sandroba cares, I think he didn't defend my case and instead chose to dismiss it and I think my initial point was very good.
We should lynch sandroba.
Palmar is scum. This post is the biggest BS in this thread besides bill murray. You are not projecting anything, you know how I play and "sandroba isn't defend against my case" is completely dumb since you posted something retarded that I dismissed as troll. You aren't reading anything, you are trying to force this read and haven't given any insight on any of the suspicious people that are being discussed. We should lynch palmar.
Dismissal count: 2
Go on
And yes, I told you didn't think BM is mafia and I still don't think he is. There is no reason at all for him to antagonize a ton of potentially strong townies and to use nukes randomly as mafia. I loved Gb's pardon and I also had already given a semi-tone read on him.
I've talked about rol and I've talked about you. I've hinted I think VE is town.
So yes, I have given plenty of insight.
So you are saying I'm mafia because 1: I said i would keep my eye on marv (????) 2: I didn't rage at GB who I think is town. (????) Which is completely retarded and doesn't make anyone mafia in any world. Despite my current level of activity and the content which I'm posting which I abosolutely never do as mafia because simply I can't keep up. Knowing who the scum team is simply crushes my interest and I have to try really hard to even pretend I have a scum read and I'm a lot more sucint and direct about my reads which I can't justify. You've talked about RoL who I'll give a prise to anyone who can guess his alignment at this point with a good margin of success. You've said you think VE is town, but didn't say why. You haven't talked about Xatalos and Vivax at all which are the main people being discussed. You simply ignored what I've pointed out about BM and read him town randomly. Palmar isn't this bad. He is mafia.
I'm not sure I get the rationale of a mafia-Palmar honing in on a target with the history that you have with each other. Palmar's played plenty of games with you (probably only more with me + VE) and realistically if he wanted to choose a prominent player to target, he should have chosen me, because he loves to scumread me no matter my alignment. Instead he chose you, when (if i'm wrong, correct me) you have quite a good history of trying to read each other.
I like to think I am pretty good at reading Palmar normally and he can easily get into stupid dumb tunnels as town
in the situation of sandroba-town and palmar-mafia, gunning for you seems like a kinda suicidal play with no upsides for him, so i think this can be town-town
You are wrong. Palmar doesn't even try to post a case and just trolls until some people (HTS, TD) start questioning some of my reads. He takes the opportunity to try to make a push and prior to that is just trolling and saying random shit. Palmar does have a history of going after me after the catastrophe game, but nothing like this. He normally keeps saying I'm mafia, but does not push me and does not make BS cases.
Let's pretend that you're right and that he didn't push on you until after me talking about you. Town Palmer will also do this. And I don't think his case is BS either. I think he has a good point about you not seeming to care. I also think he's completely missing the fact that you're so outside of your town and mafia meta that I'm honestly not sold that his point is even valid.
On May 12 2015 23:47 Damdred wrote: Idk what's happening in the thread I just woke up and saw that pardon, and I kist want to say dumbest thing ever. Bm could be town but having town talk about him for another day is stupid
##kill bill murry
back to catching up
If this is legit, congratulations, damdy, you've just threw all the debate regarding Bill murray in the trash bin since he won't flip.
On April 30 2015 22:45 Palmar wrote: In XXX I tried to lynch JAT, who was mafia. In hammertime I was wrong. I thought I was right and I was wrong. In GoT I didn't play. I was wrong but I never pushed it because I had no idea if I was right or not. In Mini I tried to lynch GB, who was mafia In Down Under I tried to lynch Superbia (mafia), but the host done goofed In Down Under reboot I didn't play. I tried to defend slam but had no real alternative In Imperial I wanted to lynch geript and was wrong In Horn I tried to lynch Damdred and JAT. One was mafia the other wasn't. I was sure on neither. In Linux I tried to lynch SL (mafia) before sheeping Damdred onto Eden (mafia) In PYP I tried to lync marv (mafia) In Noir 3 I tried to lynch WoS (mafia)
Marv: explain to me why you don't think sandroba is mafia. More than just a sentence. If I'm wrong on this I'm just wasting my day and it's weird that no one agrees with me. I think I'm also running out of posts but that's okay.
I'm not Marv, but here's my thoughts. Meta-wise, Sandroba is way out in left field. The thing is though that said left field is so significantly and drastically closer to his town play than his mafia that it's unreal. I noted Sandroba as town early. I think Damdred did too. There's not many people whose alignment's I'm sure on this game, but I'm quite sure you're wrong on Sandroba.
On May 13 2015 00:24 Palmar wrote: You guys can probably just ignore me if I'm town, it's not like I sometimes know what I'm saying on day 1.
On April 30 2015 22:45 Palmar wrote: In XXX I tried to lynch JAT, who was mafia. In hammertime I was wrong. I thought I was right and I was wrong. In GoT I didn't play. I was wrong but I never pushed it because I had no idea if I was right or not. In Mini I tried to lynch GB, who was mafia In Down Under I tried to lynch Superbia (mafia), but the host done goofed In Down Under reboot I didn't play. I tried to defend slam but had no real alternative In Imperial I wanted to lynch geript and was wrong In Horn I tried to lynch Damdred and JAT. One was mafia the other wasn't. I was sure on neither. In Linux I tried to lynch SL (mafia) before sheeping Damdred onto Eden (mafia) In PYP I tried to lync marv (mafia) In Noir 3 I tried to lynch WoS (mafia)
Marv: explain to me why you don't think sandroba is mafia. More than just a sentence. If I'm wrong on this I'm just wasting my day and it's weird that no one agrees with me. I think I'm also running out of posts but that's okay.
I am also being thrifty with my posts until later, but this bears responding to.
sandroba's posts this game are much longer and content-filled than in games he's played recently (he's rolled mafia quite a bit). In those games his reads are shallow and forced (to use his own words). In this game he actually makes observations that make sense, and his reads are more organic - e.g. he was pushing jat for his picky tone which I think was valid, and the way he backed off jat was valid too. How he approached me also looks natural, he advanced reasons why he was suspicious of me and asked me questions.
added to this is that he appears in the thread at times when he doesn't have to (i.e. when he has time) as opposed to when he is mafia he posts when he absolutely has to.
also sand is right, i don't really know why the things you said about him would make him mafia
i think if sand is mafia he's chosen this game to play much, much, much better than normal for some reason. i don't really think that's the case
his VE read - i think a couple people picked up on that because they didn't like it - well, ok, but VE in years gone by (when sand played a lot more) was MUCH more active than he plays these days. It wasn't an unfair thing for him to think, and i think him saying openly that he wasn't married to his VE read looks ok for him
Pretend I wrote this. It would make me feel much more kingly.
I'm going to take a nap. I'm going to place my vote on Vivax. Palmer told me he was a 1.5 of the sexy scale and I've heard that he's nailed at least 1 scum team solely based on that. He also told me that if he weren't straight, that he would totally let me get in his pants. I don't think I believe him about that. He's never even had sex so I don't think he even knows what he would like.
Tldr case on Vivax: 1. Distinct lack of sexy 2. Noticeably lower activity than as town 3. Lack of desire to find mafia 4. Lack of magical thinking typical of his town play 5. Has not yet bowed before King TalkingDead in fealty
On May 13 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote: BH could be mafia after all, because he's joined what is a pretty terrible sandroba wagon when what I posted should at least be enough for sandroba not to be lynched today. I don't understand how he can on one hand shoot down a nuke headed for me and then on the other hand completely ignore my fleshed out opinion on sandroba. I said earlier that I wasn't going to lynch someone who shot a nuke coming down on me, but the arguments about his lack of scumreads ---> sheeping this case on sandroba made my read do an about turn
I was leaning town on Palmar as well, but I also don't understand how he can ask me a question about sandroba, get a fuller response than I normally bother to give (apparently i like talking about good players or something) and then say "well, marv said all that but my points still stand herp derp"
There are also too many outlier votes right now.
I dislike Xata a little less than before, but would lynch in a pinch. Still finding it very difficult to believe that Vivax plays like this as town
##unvote ##Vote: BlazingHand
I don't believe BH "buys" Palmar's case. I think Palmar's case on sandroba is at best misguided tunnelly town and BH has been around long enough (and played with sand enough) to be able to at least grapple with this
I'm trying to decide who should be my Queen of Love and Beauty. Marv is quite tempting for obvious reasons, but I feel like HalftheSky has stolen my heart.
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