Sorry, BH didn't look townie day1 and that wasn't a yolo shot

With day shots without alignment flip, it isn't that unbalanced for Mafia

In a game of 25 people, 4 shots (including the nuke) hitting 4 of 6 Mafia, it is amazing.

TalkingDead

102 Posts

May 17 2015 00:08 GMT

#2502

Tbh. The Palmer shot was a hero shot. It'll either be fantastic or awful. BM claimed mafia and it took a while for town to want to kill him somehow. Xat was a policy shot that happened to hit. JAT claimed mafia.

This game imo is the reason why you take policy shots and lynches. Even if Xat is a miss, it gets you to a much better position as town. BM should've been shot once the fired the nuke at Marv; just have to ignore him and move on. What I was surprised about was the resistance to shooting/lynching the awful afks like Stuuters, RoL, etc. Regardless of alignment I would've just killing them. Mafia could've gained so much more by using their KP in that direction so they could blend better. That said, the game was really almost thrown by mafia by both BM acting bm and claiming mafia once he could be lynched as well as Palmer making the ridiculous Sandroba case. I'm really surprised that mafia seemed to have no plan going in to things.

My personal plan going in was to either luck sack into the mafia team (using my best guesses available early) or failing that to push those people as best I can since they're likely 80% town. Then just try to force town to lynch me.

justanothertownie

16342 Posts

May 17 2015 00:14 GMT

#2503

On May 17 2015 09:08 TalkingDead wrote:
Tbh. The Palmer shot was a hero shot. It'll either be fantastic or awful. BM claimed mafia and it took a while for town to want to kill him somehow. Xat was a policy shot that happened to hit. JAT claimed mafia.

This game imo is the reason why you take policy shots and lynches. Even if Xat is a miss, it gets you to a much better position as town. BM should've been shot once the fired the nuke at Marv; just have to ignore him and move on. What I was surprised about was the resistance to shooting/lynching the awful afks like Stuuters, RoL, etc. Regardless of alignment I would've just killing them. Mafia could've gained so much more by using their KP in that direction so they could blend better. That said, the game was really almost thrown by mafia by both BM acting bm and claiming mafia once he could be lynched as well as Palmer making the ridiculous Sandroba case. I'm really surprised that mafia seemed to have no plan going in to things.

Xatalos wasn't a policy shot. Otherwise I agree.

TalkingDead

102 Posts

May 17 2015 00:32 GMT

#2504

Xatalos was a policy shot. He was doing nothing. He claimed no role. He was reasonably suspicious to most everyone in the game and IIRC by 2 dead townies. Plus, he was scummy-ish. If that's not a policy shot IDK what is.

Like that's the thing, all you really need to do as town when mafia doesn't take time to actively control the game is to not made stupid mistakes. Town tried, but randomly hit the assassin and claimed left and right. They tried to let people live who should die (in a few different regards) but randomly let the right people live. I think if we were to run the game back from the start with town acting like it does, then mafia's at a large advantage because town seems like it's trying to lose. The only exception to that is the fact that a town made a hero shot that hit and strong town players made smart shots. VE made an obvious shot on claimed scum. Damdred made an obvious shot on claimed scum. Yamato made a good policy shot. Like if those three players don't have KP then maybe people take random to bad shots that are significantly lower probability.

Like while I don't support the Palmer shot (there are better options imo especially considering the risk with dreamflower), it's understandable because of the Sandroba push. The BH shot was not very good I think; it wasn't awful, but I think it would've been better to use it elsewhere because a lynch on BH is much more important and his role is already "revealed."

LightningStrike

United States14277 Posts

May 17 2015 00:32 GMT

#2505

Xata is always a policy shot though since he's a natural Mafia

Damdred

15669 Posts

May 17 2015 00:37 GMT

#2506

Xata has a really decent town game it feels scummy at points which our past butting heads can attest to but it's night and day, he's like the opposite of natural mafia lol

Anyway I think I disagree somewhat on xata being a strictly policy shot...though I feel like if we went down that road it's more about semantics and definitions rather than anything concrete.

justanothertownie

16342 Posts

May 17 2015 00:40 GMT

#2507

On May 17 2015 09:32 TalkingDead wrote:
Xatalos was a policy shot. He was doing nothing. He claimed no role. He was reasonably suspicious to most everyone in the game and IIRC by 2 dead townies. Plus, he was scummy-ish. If that's not a policy shot IDK what is.

That's my point - he was scummy as shit and got shot for it. That's why it wasn't a policy shot at all.
It's like you don't even know what a policy shot is...

TalkingDead

102 Posts

May 17 2015 00:42 GMT

#2508

Here's the reason why I think it's more policy than not. He's really not up for lynch. People defaulted to him D1. But the case imo was worse than the wholly bogus case on BH or the points on Vivax. It was the most right far and away but it wasn't really convincing more than "he's a good person to put on the chopping block." Plus, I think he got shot for the same reasons BH and BM got shot for: to move on. None of their alignments are important. They were shot to force people to move forward.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

May 17 2015 00:56 GMT

#2509

Teehee right on marv XP

And even td in obs ^^

It's nice to not be completely wrong though tbf td that was contradictions between qt and thrwas lol outside info

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

May 17 2015 00:57 GMT

#2510

Awesome grad present \o/

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

May 17 2015 01:01 GMT

#2511

Ve btw by dumb I meant gullible that was a bad choice of words. Your play was good this game lol that was def the time to claim just as you did <3

justanothertownie

16342 Posts

May 17 2015 01:08 GMT

#2512

Are you drunk or just confused? :p

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

May 17 2015 01:15 GMT

#2513

Lol what am I confused about?

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

May 17 2015 01:15 GMT

#2514

I don't think it was a policy shot to kill me. I played much to my scum meta from the start and when we immediately lost BM and Palmar, I just had more and more difficulty finding the motivation to post anything sensible. If I was town, I'd have been happily posting in the thread at that point. So it was definitely a good idea to kill me

justanothertownie

16342 Posts

May 17 2015 01:31 GMT

#2515

On May 17 2015 10:15 rsoultin wrote:
Lol what am I confused about?

On May 17 2015 09:56 rsoultin wrote:
It's nice to not be completely wrong though tbf td that was contradictions between qt and thrwas lol outside info

wat

On May 17 2015 10:01 rsoultin wrote:
Ve btw by dumb I meant gullible that was a bad choice of words. Your play was good this game lol that was def the time to claim just as you did <3

huh?

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

May 17 2015 01:49 GMT

#2516

Lol phone texting...had marv pegged practically all game and called marv/td on obs ^^

Also didn't want ve to think I think he's stupid lol

LightningStrike

United States14277 Posts

May 17 2015 02:09 GMT

#2517

On May 17 2015 10:49 rsoultin wrote:
Lol phone texting...had marv pegged practically all game and called marv/td on obs ^^

Also didn't want ve to think I think he's stupid lol

So you pegged marv from the beginning?

justanothertownie

16342 Posts

May 17 2015 02:15 GMT

#2518

rsoul
05-14-2015
03:40 PM ET (US)
o.o i find it hard to believe a town jat shoots me here but...eh...who the fuck knows with you guys. you seem to think my scum game is better than it is lol ><

This made me laugh pretty hard btw.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

May 17 2015 02:37 GMT

#2519

gg frands.

Marv </3