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LS claims anything and everything as both alignments. Gameplay? Absolutely horrible in comparison to his townplay and not like his town gameplay.
Although the irony with you Onegu is that I explained (aside from Ras's case) why you aren't looking great to me now, even if LS was fakeclaiming there are still at least two scum left (I'm going to assume at least one of Xatalos or JAT is scum) so the fact you aren't breaking ground on anyone else doesn't look good at all or at least trying to legitimately PoE people or whatever, yeh.
Not to mention JAT is getting nuked, so regardless of his alignment, you're the main wagon. So if you are town, you need to re-read the thread and find some scumreads or you'll be another mislynch if you are.
Marv, Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as both alignments (I'm pretty sure that is gramatically correct English). He's done this before as scum, so I'm not putting too much weight on his filter just because of the way he's mentioned people as one alignment, both alignments, even harder pushes, and in the past I've been wrong on what he's meant.
Yamato, I don't think what Bats did makes him scum. When he voted Sandroba, he did it in a way that he drew more suspicion to himself (his "claiming") than those he scumread for not picking up on the pleb comment. That's probably more in line with town play, and when he said those three reads were town reads, he didn't explain why and now it makes sense. LS (if true) and I each claimed on our own terms (independently of what Bats said) and BH has flipped blue.
I'm working on a theory (as I look into TD to make sure I don't miss anything) that KSC is town.
Obi, would like to know what other than the question dodging makes him better lynch than Onegu.
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On May 15 2015 05:24 marvellosity wrote:
haven't you run out of posts yet?
Pretty much at the limit right now. But I think I can take the penalty for the night/next day.
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HtS, you don't need to tell me what Palmar does and how he plays, but thanks anyway ^^
hence "the one thing"
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EBWOP - "Marv, scum Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as being both alignments...."
Sidenote for Yamato - I won't speak for LS, but I am not experience with either your or sandroba's town games. At all. Not everyone refuses to play as scum and I learnt the hard way just now with Vivax changing his meta the way he has (still I think that's lol, but I digress). Point is, to be blunt for a player unfamiliar with your play to an extent, no you were not "blatantly town" certainly not at the end of D1, let alone a top town pick and sandroba didn't really clear up for me until close to the end of N1.
I incorrectly read him D1, blame that on inexperience on my end, and as for you, I'm not really familiar with your style of posting.
Even if I gave sandroba my power, he wouldn't have gotten it if killed (night actions out of my control), or if another one of my town picks were higher than him on the playerlist had he have lived (I explained all that in my claim post) that person would have gotten it. And upon inquiry (never encountered my role before) I unfortunately could not put myself on that list either.
Just saying.
I need to AFK for a few hours but I'll be back.
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Okay I going to vote Onegu he knows I don't claim a power role as scum since I only had claimed VT as scum in all my games as scum and the fact he's ignoring that and the fact he haven't looked into other people clearly he trying to mislynch me and I think he's mafia for this.
##Vote: Onegu
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On May 15 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote:
I think if there's anything to take from Palmar's filter, it's that he spewed LS as town
He spewed me as town yes and he did it too in Titanic he always spew my alignment when he's scum.
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On May 15 2015 05:36 Half the Sky wrote:
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EBWOP - "Marv, scum Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as being both alignments...."
Sidenote for Yamato - I won't speak for LS, but I am not experience with either your or sandroba's town games. At all. Not everyone refuses to play as scum and I learnt the hard way just now with Vivax changing his meta the way he has (still I think that's lol, but I digress). Point is, to be blunt for a player unfamiliar with your play to an extent, no you were not "blatantly town" certainly not at the end of D1, let alone a top town pick and sandroba didn't really clear up for me until close to the end of N1.
I incorrectly read him D1, blame that on inexperience on my end, and as for you, I'm not really familiar with your style of posting.
Even if I gave sandroba my power, he wouldn't have gotten it if killed (night actions out of my control), or if another one of my town picks were higher than him on the playerlist had he have lived (I explained all that in my claim post) that person would have gotten it. And upon inquiry (never encountered my role before) I unfortunately could not put myself on that list either.
Just saying.
I need to AFK for a few hours but I'll be back.
Honestly I felt like GlowingBear is the type of guy that can drive a lynch while Sandroba doesn't seem that type of person which is why I went on GlowingBear. I had only seem a glimpse of his town but in Student VII but that was it(I was coaching students that game and was more focused on my students there).
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On May 15 2015 05:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I going to vote Onegu he knows I don't claim a power role as scum since I only had claimed VT as scum in all my games as scum and the fact he's ignoring that and the fact he haven't looked into other people clearly he trying to mislynch me and I think he's mafia for this.
##Vote: Onegu
We are in a themed game... I doubt you are going to claim VT here as scum. Like why did you claim? Me and rsoul just went over this with you on how bad it is. So why the hell would you claim that as town now?
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On May 15 2015 05:27 Half the Sky wrote:
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LS claims anything and everything as both alignments. Gameplay? Absolutely horrible in comparison to his townplay and not like his town gameplay.
Although the irony with you Onegu is that I explained (aside from Ras's case) why you aren't looking great to me now, even if LS was fakeclaiming there are still at least two scum left (I'm going to assume at least one of Xatalos or JAT is scum) so the fact you aren't breaking ground on anyone else doesn't look good at all or at least trying to legitimately PoE people or whatever, yeh.
Not to mention JAT is getting nuked, so regardless of his alignment, you're the main wagon. So if you are town, you need to re-read the thread and find some scumreads or you'll be another mislynch if you are.
Marv, Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as both alignments (I'm pretty sure that is gramatically correct English). He's done this before as scum, so I'm not putting too much weight on his filter just because of the way he's mentioned people as one alignment, both alignments, even harder pushes, and in the past I've been wrong on what he's meant.
Yamato, I don't think what Bats did makes him scum. When he voted Sandroba, he did it in a way that he drew more suspicion to himself (his "claiming") than those he scumread for not picking up on the pleb comment. That's probably more in line with town play, and when he said those three reads were town reads, he didn't explain why and now it makes sense. LS (if true) and I each claimed on our own terms (independently of what Bats said) and BH has flipped blue.
I'm working on a theory (as I look into TD to make sure I don't miss anything) that KSC is town.
Obi, would like to know what other than the question dodging makes him better lynch than Onegu.
I normally only focus on one or 2 people at a time.
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On May 15 2015 05:42 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 05:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I going to vote Onegu he knows I don't claim a power role as scum since I only had claimed VT as scum in all my games as scum and the fact he's ignoring that and the fact he haven't looked into other people clearly he trying to mislynch me and I think he's mafia for this.
##Vote: Onegu We are in a themed game... I doubt you are going to claim VT here as scum. Like why did you claim? Me and rsoul just went over this with you on how bad it is. So why the hell would you claim that as town now?
I was tired of people thinking I was scum if BH is town (GlowingBear) and Xata was still scum reading me and you too and besides my role is kinda meh and we already got VT's in this game.
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On May 15 2015 05:42 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 05:36 Half the Sky wrote:
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EBWOP - "Marv, scum Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as being both alignments...."
Sidenote for Yamato - I won't speak for LS, but I am not experience with either your or sandroba's town games. At all. Not everyone refuses to play as scum and I learnt the hard way just now with Vivax changing his meta the way he has (still I think that's lol, but I digress). Point is, to be blunt for a player unfamiliar with your play to an extent, no you were not "blatantly town" certainly not at the end of D1, let alone a top town pick and sandroba didn't really clear up for me until close to the end of N1.
I incorrectly read him D1, blame that on inexperience on my end, and as for you, I'm not really familiar with your style of posting.
Even if I gave sandroba my power, he wouldn't have gotten it if killed (night actions out of my control), or if another one of my town picks were higher than him on the playerlist had he have lived (I explained all that in my claim post) that person would have gotten it. And upon inquiry (never encountered my role before) I unfortunately could not put myself on that list either.
Just saying.
I need to AFK for a few hours but I'll be back. Honestly I felt like GlowingBear is the type of guy that can drive a lynch while Sandroba doesn't seem that type of person which is why I went on GlowingBear. I had only seem a glimpse of his town but in Student VII but that was it(I was coaching students that game and was more focused on my students there).
No offense but that is the worst read in the whole game.
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Okay, so I'm not out quite yet...
On May 15 2015 05:15 Onegu wrote:
Here is why you shouldnt believe LS claim. Me and Rsoul went over this in TS with him like 3 times in the last 2 weeks.
Whenever he gets pressure he claims. As town I think he knows me and rsoul told him how bad it is and wouldnt do it... So he is trying to make this look like his town meta. Like if we didnt just talk about this with him then ok. But we did.
Ehhhh Onegu, another critique of LS's play that I have is that LS will throw random links for metas without clarifying the exact parallels between the game in question and his current game. I've been on him about this as both alignments since damned Horn of Africa. Does this make him mafia? Not necessarily.
From a purely objective standpoint, LS's claim is scum like because it's not even halfway through the day, but he does this as both alignments even if you tell him a bazillion times not to do it.
I'm actually more inclined to believe LS's explanation for voting you actually because
1 I've never seen him claim a blue role as scum (granted he could be doing it for the first time, but for what I've played with him, he's NOT a high-risk player) nor would he claim that role with this setup and a relatively high risk of counterclaim.
2 He explained his role with his actions - saving GB and that is in line with him townreading GB going into D2 after checking his filter.
Another case of selective meta reasoning....strike two on you.
Looking more into TD's case on BH, now that we know that BH is blue, I'm beginning to wonder if that is a really contorted case on him by TD. Combine that with the questions that both KSC and I had on him, and he's probably a decent chance at scum. Not concluding anything yet but I really am starting to wonder....
PHEW....now I'm done for now.
I'm throwing my vote on Onegu because at this point I think it's a good lynch.
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On May 15 2015 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 05:42 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2015 05:36 Half the Sky wrote:
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EBWOP - "Marv, scum Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as being both alignments...."
Sidenote for Yamato - I won't speak for LS, but I am not experience with either your or sandroba's town games. At all. Not everyone refuses to play as scum and I learnt the hard way just now with Vivax changing his meta the way he has (still I think that's lol, but I digress). Point is, to be blunt for a player unfamiliar with your play to an extent, no you were not "blatantly town" certainly not at the end of D1, let alone a top town pick and sandroba didn't really clear up for me until close to the end of N1.
I incorrectly read him D1, blame that on inexperience on my end, and as for you, I'm not really familiar with your style of posting.
Even if I gave sandroba my power, he wouldn't have gotten it if killed (night actions out of my control), or if another one of my town picks were higher than him on the playerlist had he have lived (I explained all that in my claim post) that person would have gotten it. And upon inquiry (never encountered my role before) I unfortunately could not put myself on that list either.
Just saying.
I need to AFK for a few hours but I'll be back. Honestly I felt like GlowingBear is the type of guy that can drive a lynch while Sandroba doesn't seem that type of person which is why I went on GlowingBear. I had only seem a glimpse of his town but in Student VII but that was it(I was coaching students that game and was more focused on my students there). No offense but that is the worst read in the whole game.
None taken.
Why is nobody talking about 2 mason recruiters in the same alignment being weird and so one could be Mafia?
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HTS here is my thoughts on Obi so far
- contributed nothing to the game, filter reads like a lot of one liners.
- quick to shoot town town reads or throw suspicion on people.
On May 14 2015 14:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 13:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Sweet.
Anyway, the mafiateam already know so I'll just say it. Marv made a mason group on D1 with me and Palmar in it. Unless you think marv mafia recruiting mason invited a mafia teammate into the group in Palmar, then marv is pretty much lock-clear town. That doesn't make me town or anything, but I can assure you I'm town and I /think/ marv would vouch for me.
Marv is like confirmed town, or should be imo. Marv is not confirmed town. I literally JUST lost a game because people went on about suboptimal masoning in regards to masoning two mafia together, when for all we know a mason link doesn't even exist. This is entirely wifom.
On May 13 2015 10:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Terrible switch to Vivax that really shouldn't have happened. Just because you read Marv as town doesn't mean you should just up and sheep him whenever he shows up ITT. He said he was stoned and he basically switched off of BH for no reason. Show nested quote +On May 13 2015 09:51 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm still in the world where BH is town, his posting EOD and his decision with the nuke, town to me.
I still think Xat is mafia so that is going to be where I look in the night, xatalos was a real lynch but it never quite got there and the lynch ended up between vivax and BH, i need to know how that happened.
If BH is town and we know vivax is town then you know i'm more looking at people who wanted the lynch not to be xat or who just seemed happy to sit where they were,
off the top of my head, I'd look at these people tomorrow
Xat
JAT
TD
LS
Rs
i'm not sure how to evaluate RS actions EOD as apparently she had some personal vendetta to get bh lynched . not too happy if that is the case.
then I also think it is important to consider the people who didn't give a shit EOD and seemed to float under the radar
bats
RoL
obi
palmars play was really weird aswell just leaving his vote out on sand when that was never really going to be the lynch.
I also don't see stutters vote so I'm not sure what is happening with that.
I will look through things more closely during the night phase but that is where I am at right now.
Why do people think this guy is town? He just name dropped more than a third of the game without any real sense of direction or context and just made almost all of them seem suspicious. It's an incredibly unfocused post and reeks of mafia casting doubt.
- then i remembered this awful post
On May 12 2015 02:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2015 02:52 Vivax wrote:
On my read so far I also had the feeling JAT was mafia but I really had nothing I could justify it with. On the other hand lots of people seem to think the same but I will need to find something tangible on my own.
The nuke business was pretty interesting. Trfel was in the scummish list of BH during N0 and D1 BH didn't really bother to even figure his alignment out before deciding the anti-nuke. He only asked a question but doesn't seem puzzled about whether he should use it or not. Beautiful. Back to townpile with you.
so that is why I didn't like him, I saw he was in the thread with his "kill jat" but he wasn't really posting or contributing in a meaningful way that I could see, I thought i'd call him mafia to see his response,
His response disappointed me, he instantly popped up so he was in the thread and rather than contributing just wants to know why he is mafia, ok that is understandable, but him now voting me and calling me mafia just seems like a huge overreaction. Again he isn't interested in truly scum hunting just hugely overreacting to someone calling him mafia.
Think i might be right on this one.
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On May 15 2015 05:15 Onegu wrote:
Here is why you shouldnt believe LS claim. Me and Rsoul went over this in TS with him like 3 times in the last 2 weeks.
Whenever he gets pressure he claims. As town I think he knows me and rsoul told him how bad it is and wouldnt do it... So he is trying to make this look like his town meta. Like if we didnt just talk about this with him then ok. But we did.
This doesn't make any sense.
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On May 15 2015 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 05:42 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2015 05:36 Half the Sky wrote:
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EBWOP - "Marv, scum Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as being both alignments...."
Sidenote for Yamato - I won't speak for LS, but I am not experience with either your or sandroba's town games. At all. Not everyone refuses to play as scum and I learnt the hard way just now with Vivax changing his meta the way he has (still I think that's lol, but I digress). Point is, to be blunt for a player unfamiliar with your play to an extent, no you were not "blatantly town" certainly not at the end of D1, let alone a top town pick and sandroba didn't really clear up for me until close to the end of N1.
I incorrectly read him D1, blame that on inexperience on my end, and as for you, I'm not really familiar with your style of posting.
Even if I gave sandroba my power, he wouldn't have gotten it if killed (night actions out of my control), or if another one of my town picks were higher than him on the playerlist had he have lived (I explained all that in my claim post) that person would have gotten it. And upon inquiry (never encountered my role before) I unfortunately could not put myself on that list either.
Just saying.
I need to AFK for a few hours but I'll be back. Honestly I felt like GlowingBear is the type of guy that can drive a lynch while Sandroba doesn't seem that type of person which is why I went on GlowingBear. I had only seem a glimpse of his town but in Student VII but that was it(I was coaching students that game and was more focused on my students there). No offense but that is the worst read in the whole game.
I almost fell out of my chair.
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On May 15 2015 05:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:On May 15 2015 05:42 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2015 05:36 Half the Sky wrote:
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EBWOP - "Marv, scum Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as being both alignments...."
Sidenote for Yamato - I won't speak for LS, but I am not experience with either your or sandroba's town games. At all. Not everyone refuses to play as scum and I learnt the hard way just now with Vivax changing his meta the way he has (still I think that's lol, but I digress). Point is, to be blunt for a player unfamiliar with your play to an extent, no you were not "blatantly town" certainly not at the end of D1, let alone a top town pick and sandroba didn't really clear up for me until close to the end of N1.
I incorrectly read him D1, blame that on inexperience on my end, and as for you, I'm not really familiar with your style of posting.
Even if I gave sandroba my power, he wouldn't have gotten it if killed (night actions out of my control), or if another one of my town picks were higher than him on the playerlist had he have lived (I explained all that in my claim post) that person would have gotten it. And upon inquiry (never encountered my role before) I unfortunately could not put myself on that list either.
Just saying.
I need to AFK for a few hours but I'll be back. Honestly I felt like GlowingBear is the type of guy that can drive a lynch while Sandroba doesn't seem that type of person which is why I went on GlowingBear. I had only seem a glimpse of his town but in Student VII but that was it(I was coaching students that game and was more focused on my students there). No offense but that is the worst read in the whole game. None taken. Why is nobody talking about 2 mason recruiters in the same alignment being weird and so one could be Mafia?
What are you talking about? Only marv is a mason recruiter...unless I'm missing something somewhere?
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On May 15 2015 05:54 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 05:52 GlowingBear wrote:On May 15 2015 05:47 justanothertownie wrote:On May 15 2015 05:42 LightningStrike wrote:On May 15 2015 05:36 Half the Sky wrote:
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EBWOP - "Marv, scum Palmar has WIFOMed people of both alignments as being both alignments...."
Sidenote for Yamato - I won't speak for LS, but I am not experience with either your or sandroba's town games. At all. Not everyone refuses to play as scum and I learnt the hard way just now with Vivax changing his meta the way he has (still I think that's lol, but I digress). Point is, to be blunt for a player unfamiliar with your play to an extent, no you were not "blatantly town" certainly not at the end of D1, let alone a top town pick and sandroba didn't really clear up for me until close to the end of N1.
I incorrectly read him D1, blame that on inexperience on my end, and as for you, I'm not really familiar with your style of posting.
Even if I gave sandroba my power, he wouldn't have gotten it if killed (night actions out of my control), or if another one of my town picks were higher than him on the playerlist had he have lived (I explained all that in my claim post) that person would have gotten it. And upon inquiry (never encountered my role before) I unfortunately could not put myself on that list either.
Just saying.
I need to AFK for a few hours but I'll be back. Honestly I felt like GlowingBear is the type of guy that can drive a lynch while Sandroba doesn't seem that type of person which is why I went on GlowingBear. I had only seem a glimpse of his town but in Student VII but that was it(I was coaching students that game and was more focused on my students there). No offense but that is the worst read in the whole game. None taken. Why is nobody talking about 2 mason recruiters in the same alignment being weird and so one could be Mafia? What are you talking about? Only marv is a mason recruiter...unless I'm missing something somewhere?
Did you REALLY miss TD's huge claim?
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I think they're both town. I mean, that makes sense to me since they choose the targets (I'm assuming since TD probably targeted marv or whatever). There's a pretty high probability of at least one of them choosing to include mafia since the effect is cumulative.
Mehh. I think they're both town. I'm willing to bet on it.
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