Newbie Student Mafia IX

On May 02 2015 05:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Still waiting to hear back from disformation and Bill Murray

On May 02 2015 08:45 Half the Sky wrote:
Yeh folks, the moderators are not out to get people here. If you make a mistake, you're here to learn and you have your coaching qts, so don't worry about it. This gives you a sense of what flies and what doesn't before you play our veteran games where things are generally less lenient.

On May 03 2015 08:51 Superbia wrote:


Were you planning to post this before the game started?

On May 03 2015 08:55 Fecalfeast wrote:

Good Idea, I've made a spreadsheet for this game myself and usually do not.

Regardless of whether your list is already made, are there any posts that would go on such a list? If so, where on the list? (scummy/town)

On May 03 2015 09:01 The Shining wrote:
That disform post is NAI but good to keep tabs on. There are a couple of promises in there, I wonder if he'll keep them.

On May 03 2015 09:13 y0su wrote:
yeah, remember some of us are in EU (3am here).

On May 03 2015 09:52 ritoky wrote:
has there been sum shit so far? i str8 didn't read nuffin.

On May 03 2015 09:30 Superbia wrote:


Rofl. Where did she say that?

On May 03 2015 09:35 The Shining wrote:


You guys need to freaking read if you're gonna keep trying to scum EVERYTHING I POST. ffs.

On May 03 2015 09:42 Superbia wrote:


Ya except that trying to play around such an easy argument is pointless. So no. Fact is that I missed it, alas. I was scanning for Saturday night, not Sunday.

On May 03 2015 09:54 ritoky wrote:
i randomly clicked to a page, and there was a disformation guy or girl....w8 no girls on internet, must be guy. anywayz dat dude was liek full of smileyz and shit everywhere. i don't like people who spam emoticons. top scum read.

On May 03 2015 10:03 ritoky wrote:
so there was a discussion about non-alignment indicative stuff about someone not being here for 12-24 hrs of a phase....and nothing was concluded about it....why am i supposed to care?

On May 03 2015 10:17 ritoky wrote:
disform, watchu think of superbia?

On May 03 2015 09:02 Superbia wrote:
I don't really want to give away what I'm paying attention to at this point in time, for obvious reasons.

You should have a coach you can ask. It's not optimal to ask actual playing players.

To be honest, asking me (and others) is kinda making me read you mafia (as I kinda expect you to know you have a coach).

On May 03 2015 09:33 Superbia wrote:
It's not in her filter. :D

On May 03 2015 09:45 Superbia wrote:
Actually I'll let you guys do this one and observe for now. :D

On May 03 2015 10:33 Superbia wrote:
Z. New player comes into thread with canned post. Asks others what to look for while he has a coach to ask this. Feels like a dumbtell-ish planned post (and therefore scummy). The fact that he admits that this kind of post was sort of planned feels townie.

It's not optimal to ask other players because you are in the game with them. I'm not going to be able to give straight up advice because I am unsure of his alignment.

On May 03 2015 10:33 ritoky wrote:
don't you have town reads on people like shining for being active, pushing, and questioning. explain to me why what superbia is doing is different from shining.

On May 03 2015 09:45 Superbia wrote:
Actually I'll let you guys do this one and observe for now. :D

On May 03 2015 10:35 ritoky wrote:
also that post had no smileys -.-

On May 04 2015 01:45 ritoky wrote:


i am interested in why you don't have an opinion on scott. he seems to be a focal point of the day phase, yet you neglect giving any thoughts on him. what are your thoughts on scott?

as for my "push" on you, if you think people pushing you to give definitive answers about your thoughts makes them scum, then you're going to spend the entire game lynching town.

On May 04 2015 03:21 -Celestial- wrote:
On a side note unless we seriously get some solid reads out of Stutters695 soon I'm going to start scumming him just for completely ignoring my repeated requests for sets of reads.

On May 04 2015 04:52 The Shining wrote:




I think I found our first scum here, guys.

I just can't understand the town motivation here. I'm scum. Undecided on Scott. But our interactions were shady. Too much easy trusting and maybe pocketing. But I'm suspicious of Scott? So how am I pocketing?

This leads to Super NOT BEING INTERESTED IN A SCOTT LYNCH.

WHICH LEADS TO HIM GETTING ON THE SL WAGON. Wtf bro? I'm scum, right? Why are you voting on MY wagon? This could be an attempt to save scummate Scott.

On May 04 2015 10:08 Superbia wrote:
Lean Scum:
disinformation - Promises to read filters with no real result (imo). This post looks really weird:
+ Show Spoiler +.
disinformation calls y0su a misslynch, but does not have any opinion on y0su in his filter. TMI.

On May 03 2015 11:34 -Celestial- wrote:
ritoky's sole post of note is an easy push on disformation. Other than that he's just posting nonsense and off-topic stuff. Coming across as pretty scummy to me; complete misdirection plays.

On May 04 2015 01:45 ritoky wrote:
as for my "push" on you, if you think people pushing you to give definitive answers about your thoughts makes them scum, then you're going to spend the entire game lynching town.

On May 04 2015 14:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think he took our smiley face analysis a little too seriously and it makes him look like he's trying to keep up appearances. He's already a scumlean for me. If I had to vote, I would vote for scott, dis, or maaaybe shining but probably not

On May 03 2015 10:42 disformation wrote:
Damn. Forgot. =D
Have some more:

On May 04 2015 10:08 Superbia wrote:
Lean Scum:
disinformation - Promises to read filters with no real result (imo).

On May 04 2015 04:12 disformation wrote:
Will reread scotts and the shinings filter to make sure I don't mess stuff up. sry I am with stupid.

On May 04 2015 10:20 Superbia wrote:
- disinformation: ask why he thought y0su was a "misslynch". Pressure into giving reads. Watch for TMI.

On May 04 2015 09:43 The Shining wrote:
Deal with it. I've been mislynched as town to lose games before. Its a crappy feeling. So I don't take kindly at all to being scummed or told you'd lynch me. Especially when you're not actually doing it. I'm probably more defensive as town than scum, oh well. Its your job to figure it out, not mine.

And D1 is a crap shoot for me. I'm sick of saying this. So yeah my most defensive stances and strongest scumreads are people who are saying they want to lynch me over absolutely nothing, when I know my alignment, and then put an lol before or after it to take away a bit of the seriousness, and then don't actually vote me or push me. Its a waste of time and detrimental to town moving forward.

On May 03 2015 09:45 Superbia wrote:
Actually I'll let you guys do this one and observe for now. :D

On May 04 2015 20:13 disformation wrote:

The Shining:
Really short filter, at the time of writing that I will reread him (see aboive), there was not much to go on so he was boring null.

On May 04 2015 20:13 disformation wrote:
-celestial- :
reading town here. Liked the persistent push on scott. Also really liked this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=505&topic_id=483492
because my reads where really similar at the time when it was posted.

On May 04 2015 21:35 Half the Sky wrote:
Because Scott isn't the only one with a poor first entry to be honest.

On May 04 2015 22:01 Half the Sky wrote:
I want Superbia to respond when he's around.

On May 04 2015 21:22 -Celestial- wrote:
scott is either scum or is playing horribly scummy town. Either way he's a total liability and I would not be surprised in the slightest to see him flip red.

On May 04 2015 22:21 Half the Sky wrote:
I know you are new to the game, but someone making a scumread on someone early in the day and then pushing him throughout the day is considered a town tell across the board because it shows the person pushing the case believes in the case and he's not just faking it for survivability's sake.

If you think the reasoning behind the case is faulty (do you?) then that's another issue.

Regarding ritoky (and others) - as I said with sicklucker it's very possible to have a very poor entrance and then pick it up later on. Some people are good at spotting mafia off the first post, particularly the established players like marvellosity/Holyflare/JAT but this is a newbie game, so the calibre isn't expected to be the same.

Do you think ritoky looks bad from subsequent posts?

On May 04 2015 22:47 y0su wrote:
reg ritoky's subsequent posts... He starts loopy, get's straight but then it reverts a bit when ff brings it up
He then posts in a normally but without much for me to get a read from.
His T reads didn't have much to them except "they agreed with me".
He's very dismissive of "poor reads" on him.. but I can't his comfort (not being defensive) comes from practice or being T.
overall I just don't like his tone (but this is probably just personal and NAI)

On May 03 2015 12:04 ritoky wrote:
ritoky, ff, -c-

we will start from here

On May 04 2015 06:51 The Shining wrote:


You never rescinded so ya, it was another time throwing scum after the HtS "slip".

And sure, though they're all Newbie/Student games, and can be found with a little effort.

Town/Blue games:
Newbie Mini Mafia LX
Newbie Mini Mafia LXI
Newbie Student Mafia VIII
Newbie Student Mafia VII
Newbie Student Mafia VI

My lone scum game:
Student Mafia V

On May 04 2015 10:08 Superbia wrote:
The Shining - Meh. I've said stuff about him before which kinda holds. His aggressiveness towards me feels kinda townish, as I don't really expect mafia to be aggro towards me (big ego), but they still might. His filter content wise feels very similar to his town filters, but he seems very bitter and sardonic this game, while in his other town games he is decently jokey and relaxed. Bitterness is a mafia tell. I am hesitant because this purely comes from his interactions with me.

On May 05 2015 00:29 ritoky wrote:
@disformation, what is the thing you dislike most about scott? also, if you're willing to vote on him then why aren't you now?

On May 03 2015 12:16 scott31337 wrote:
So why are you reacting on the HtS vote so much when I did vote for sicklucker? He had his two posts? Is he your scumbuddy and not wanting to draw attention to? But HtS is free reign, eh?

On May 03 2015 12:31 scott31337 wrote:
You are right - I did not check it until afterwards. I did not re-read the pre-game excuses until afterwards. That was my fault. I got better backing when I roll scum anyway - I wouldn't have made such a dumb mistake.

We have plenty of time - we will have convincing arguments for you

On May 03 2015 12:37 scott31337 wrote:
We=the townsfolk?

On May 05 2015 00:42 ritoky wrote:
man, why can't slam, damdred, hf, koshi, or sum1 i read really well be in this game....

that disform post, i really like the observation on superbia a LOT. but the top part where he is pre-emptively setting up for scott to flip town irks the living hell out of me.

On May 05 2015 00:50 -Celestial- wrote:
scott's grand total contribution so far is to mindlessly accept Superbia's claim that HtS hadn't said anything in-thread about being away, jumping on sicklucker as a different lurker and then rapidly backpedalling on that when sicklucker actually came into the thread, townreading or neutral reading everyone and effectively OMGUSing me for calling him out as a mafia, lying in order to do so, before rapidly backtracking on the accusation and then trying to townread me because everyone else is doing it.

At the present he's not scumming anyone at all as far as I can tell. His last set of reads were Superbia and FF as town, Shining and y0su and me null leaning town, Ticktock null, you null leaning scum, sicklucker scum and everyone else null from lack of posts. But he rapidly backpedalled on that sicklucker accusation and vote, thus leaving his strongest negative read being you as null leaning scum which means he's just sitting in the middle ground and playing the game of "everyone is null or town, isn't that nice?" which is a gigantic red flag to me, especially since he doesn't seem to be pressuring anyone at all to actually get a scum read off anyone. If he's town he's not contributing anything worthwhile. But I severely doubt he's anything other than scum.

On May 05 2015 00:51 ritoky wrote:
This part. It could very well come from mafia trying to set up a place to dump the blame if the lynch is sour. You're making excuses/plans before the flip has occurred; tends to happen with some1 who has no confidence in their read or is trying to shove off the blame.

ALSO why you give me no credit for that "we" thing? That was totes me who found that. ROOD AS FUK!

On May 05 2015 01:14 Stutters695 wrote:
Prpl still missing I see.

On May 05 2015 01:17 -Celestial- wrote:


I don't quite get what you're asking here. Please ask a direct question with a quote and I'll answer.

On May 05 2015 00:33 disformation wrote:


Well, this strikes me as a bit odd as I kinda read this as "At this point I don't care if he is mafia or not". So I kinda get where y0su gets his feeling from. But I don't think that is anywhere close enough to dismiss the case or call -c- scum. Plus I agree on him more likely being scum. But this might me nice to keep on hand for the night phase.

On May 03 2015 19:55 disformation wrote:
Stutters695 :
You were around for a bit, but my list on you is empty and your filter is really short. Give us something more to work with? How bad do you think scott looks now? Any idea of who you would lynch as of now? Scum reads?

On May 04 2015 04:08 disformation wrote:


He also didn't answer my questions for him, so I agree on that.

On May 04 2015 20:13 disformation wrote:
prplhz :
I look at his filter and see nothing. I can easily picture him sitting in mafia QT and munching popcorn, since everyone seems to have forgotten about him.

Stutters :
See prplhz.

On May 05 2015 01:24 disformation wrote:


Yup. Also very interested in seeing, what, if anything he will do in the near future. Meanwhile your filter is also really short. Want to share some thoughts? Any reads on ritoky and ticktoc? You mentioned that you'd be willing to vote for scott. Does that still hold?

On May 05 2015 01:59 ritoky wrote:
looked @ ticktock's filter:



this post strikes me as odd...he is having a hard time deciding who to vote for, yet he thinks 1 guy is scum and the other guy is inactive and that's his two top scum reads? seems like not a hard decision there. i don't really understand where his hesitancy is coming from here.

On May 04 2015 16:16 Tictock wrote:
Scott put himself in a position where he looked pretty bad, but lately he's bee making an effort and seems fairly calm given the suspicions around him. That feels town to me, he's not ignoring what ppl say about him but he's not focused on defending himself either.

On May 05 2015 06:02 scott31337 wrote:
I just glanced at the VCA and I'm going with my suspicion that disformation may be scum. He's in a third-trying to fit in vote - and then ritoky asked about it - among the seriousness of his smileys and defensiveness. If there's a cop I would check him.

##Vote: Disformation

On May 05 2015 06:58 sicklucker wrote:
Acualy scotts last post makes me think he might be town

On May 05 2015 07:00 sicklucker wrote:
FF

On May 05 2015 03:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh right I haven't voted yet. Sorry was getting my ass handed to me in the TL open. Anything special? I see prpl is here

On May 05 2015 07:09 Superbia wrote:
Thoughts. Right now. Why are people voting scott? What are everyone's thoughts on HtS?

On May 05 2015 00:43 disformation wrote:
As what I really disliked:

When -c- confronted him about posting misinformation he first is really aggressive:


And then after he notices that -c- has a solid point on him he suddenly becomes ultra defensive:



a) That switch puts me off really hard.
b) That is a "too scum to be scum, please?" argument, which I am not buying at that point.

On May 05 2015 05:51 ritoky wrote:
no because you haven't followed through. mind you i don't think he has posted since, but if he came back and posted about other stuff and ignored you; i am not confident you would press him on ignoring you.

On May 04 2015 21:31 Half the Sky wrote:
So far, I have Superbia and Scott pretty red.
Shining, Celestial look town.
ritoky weak town lean.
prplhz slight scum lean.

Stutters is null, same for sicklucker.

I will look at disinformation, yosu, and ticktock next, after I get off this conference call.

At this point in time, I can vote either of Superbia or scott.

On May 05 2015 07:46 Superbia wrote:


This guy is probably mafia.

On May 05 2015 07:49 Superbia wrote:
HtS & disformation. ANYONE. Sum up your thoughts on scott right now pre-flip.

On May 05 2015 07:19 disformation wrote:


Main reason I am on the scott train:



+ I read the case from -c- three times and I found it to be rock solid.

On May 05 2015 07:57 Half the Sky wrote:
Waffling and committing to a read though does not look good at all, it is a scumlike behaviour.

On May 05 2015 03:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
oh right I haven't voted yet. Sorry was getting my ass handed to me in the TL open. Anything special? I see prpl is here

On May 05 2015 05:01 The Shining wrote:
Well FF's easy. I nailed scum FF in some game I can't talk about and I'm seeing a completely different FF here. That one was full of excuses and laziness D1, where FF here is relaxed, having fun but still pushing and engaging when here. I suppose I should've thrown that into the thread.

And as for you, I don't know you or your meta. As far as this game goes, you have a lot of one liners and posts questioning and engaging the thread, while opining on active things in the thread. The interaction with me and Stutters. The Cel - Scott stuff. HtS reads. I can find just about everyone in your filter, which feels like a strong town.

On May 05 2015 05:03 The Shining wrote:


HtS, when you get a chance, pls <3

On May 05 2015 22:58 Half the Sky wrote:
I respond to Shining 7m after he asks that and there's nothing else from him, there's a potential he lurks as ritoky actively leads the push. Generally speaking it's a scum tell to sit in the background like that.

That last post (that disinformation quoted) was his last post and it was 3h before EoD.

On May 05 2015 23:25 Stutters695 wrote:
I will vote prpl tomorrow. However, I really do not like disinfo's EoD summary post. There are way scummier things about prpl than sitting back after voting HtS. The fact that he ignores those worries me and makes me think that might be an attempt at a bus if prpl flips later without actually trying to get him lynched. Not to mention that's the only positive of his list there and it ignores the biggest things against prpl.

Not going to worry about that yet, but just something to note if prpl flips scum.

On May 06 2015 04:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why do I feel like super and ritoky are "talking to each other outside the thread" as it were?

On May 06 2015 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
current scummers: sl, shining, maybe super, maybe ritoky

maybes based on tonereads recently.

On May 06 2015 16:13 y0su wrote:
disformation is it supposed to be disINformation? (that's not a read on him, just curious if people have been writing his name like that on purpose?) His smiles bug me - they make me feel like he's trying to win favor. Trying to sound friendly and helpful. However, a few of his posts have well explained thought processes and I'll chalk up his indecision on learning - for now.

On May 06 2015 22:26 Half the Sky wrote:


You didn't think he was aggressive towards me (or you for that matter) at EoD D1? What did you think of him (or ritoky) EoD?

On May 06 2015 22:51 Half the Sky wrote:


What distinction are you making here?

On May 06 2015 07:12 The Shining wrote:
Skimmed from EoD up to now. Scott townflip really hurts but I'm not sure how we could have avoided that. Haven't had time to sit at my laptop for anything and trying to actively read 100+ posts on mobile is impossible. Looks like I'm prime d2 lynchbait so I'm going to actually take my time, reread and answer the questions and reads I was asked for.

Not like I need to rush. No way scum kills me tonight when people are still scumming me. Yay me.

On May 07 2015 01:28 Half the Sky wrote:
Ah Superbia.......do us all a favour and explain all these quotes. Because right now you have mafia agenda written all over you.

On May 07 2015 03:26 ritoky wrote:
@disform, i will have questions when i can read your filter later. but mostly i just don't think you are so obviously town to deserve all the cheap town reads you are getting. and you seem to just accept them. when ppl town read me and i don't feel particularly overwhelmingly town i am like...wtf why you town reading me?

On May 07 2015 04:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Tinfoil hat theory 1 - there's an active mafia in this game.

Tinfoil hat theory 2 - there's a mafia in disinformation/y0su/tictock and the mafia is blending in with his newbie teammates by looking newb.

On May 07 2015 05:23 Half the Sky wrote:
You're also finding it hard to read Superbia I see. What do you also think of him with his responses to me?

On May 07 2015 02:35 Superbia wrote:
Like do me a fucking favour, and assume that both camps are town (super/ritoky + celestial/hts) for today and see how that works out, okay?

On May 07 2015 06:13 Half the Sky wrote:


You're scumreading Superbia based on tone and the "fucking favour" quote. But you are saying his playstyle is good for finding mafia.

How do you think he's using that playstyle?

On May 07 2015 02:34 Superbia wrote:


I hate defending myself as town and I fucking hate explaining myself. What is my goal here as mafia? "chaos"? What utter bullshit. I am hard to follow, and it has caused me to get misslynched in the past 2 games, so get over it. I don't explain shit because I hate doing it. I want to find mafia and solve the game, not writes pages of text regarding my thought process. Blargh.


1. Loaded questions? Are you fucking serious? I asked stutters for the rest of the team simply because I wanted to know his mafia reads outside of prp. What other loaded questions were there? And how do they come from a mafia mindset.

2. I genuinely don't even know what this means. Is this an assumption of my underlying mindset?

3. I should be dismissed from being a scum candidate. FF is my favorite player to play with, even if we are differently aligned. He was obviously VT and not a role as well. Why the fuck do I ever put KP on him? And before you bring up WIFOM, I have no reason to cover my ass or to use d1 KP to get WIFOM going. It's absolutely suboptimal. I hunt for PRs with KP, or strong town. You want to paint the world in which I kill my favorite player who is OBVIOUSLY VT and to WASTE THE ROLEBLOCK. Wow, what mafia play.

4. DT claim? What are you even talking about? Is this the whole red check confirm thing I asked because someone softed it? Yeah, I want to know whether a questionable person is adamant about scum-reading (and literally only doing that) one of my townies.

5. Well at least I didn't fucking join the scott wagon like the rest of the "townies", right? I tried to salvage a disastrous d1 by going on you. Yes, I absolutely believed you were mafia at EoD1. Your two "red" reads? Both town. I did not see any real scum hunting, just someone tagging along trying to appear town. Sure, your posts were big, but mafia can make big posts. Even if you flipped town it would've gotten us way more information from the votes than the garbage we have now.

6. Because I re-evaluated you completely and this is the world I want to live in today.

Like holy fucking shit. If you are town you are making this game ridiculously hard for me.

On May 07 2015 03:26 ritoky wrote:
@disform, i will have questions when i can read your filter later. but mostly i just don't think you are so obviously town to deserve all the cheap town reads you are getting. and you seem to just accept them. when ppl town read me and i don't feel particularly overwhelmingly town i am like...wtf why you town reading me?

On May 07 2015 05:14 disformation wrote:
ticktocs filter is super short. Did not do much D1. Throws away his vote. Though his vote is consistent with his initial reads. Then he does some really towny looking posts N1 with explained reads and some attempts at vote analysis, which I really liked. And so far nothing real on D2, but the vote on his initial read. though I can agree with the vote. Could the N1 stuff have been done to appease people? Kinda null. Def. another player I want to see way more of in the near future.

On May 08 2015 00:43 Superbia wrote:
I'm in between shit right now, but I'll on active tonight with some game solverino.

On May 04 2015 05:53 Superbia wrote:
I don't solve the game during the first half of d1. I do it during the second half (though with my bday it may complicate things).

On May 08 2015 01:20 Half the Sky wrote:
Will the real doc or vet please stand up?

On May 08 2015 01:36 -Celestial- wrote:
Unfortunately that means that disformation is 100% dead either way. Sorry about that. :-\

On May 08 2015 01:51 Half the Sky wrote:
No it is. I think its wifom....but no I see what Superbia means.

This would be the third bloody newbie game in a row lacking a DT.

I CALL SHENNANIGANS ON THESE NEWBIE HOSTS. >_<

On May 08 2015 02:24 prplhz wrote:
oh god dammit sorry guys

i'm not DOC i'm COP

dunno how my fingers managed to mess that up

anyway, i'm cop

On May 08 2015 07:35 Half the Sky wrote:


Essh....he did answer my question to other scumreads. But it's still damned evasive.

On May 05 2015 23:25 Stutters695 wrote:
I will vote prpl tomorrow. However, I really do not like disinfo's EoD summary post. There are way scummier things about prpl than sitting back after voting HtS. The fact that he ignores those worries me and makes me think that might be an attempt at a bus if prpl flips later without actually trying to get him lynched. Not to mention that's the only positive of his list there and it ignores the biggest things against prpl.

Not going to worry about that yet, but just something to note if prpl flips scum.

On May 06 2015 09:36 Stutters695 wrote:
Disinfo: would strongly consider lynching if prpl is scum. Without rereading, he doesn't stand out much except something I noted earlier between him and prpl.

On May 05 2015 22:46 disformation wrote:
I don't like prplhz at all. Basically nothing in his filter. Gets a 2ndary wagon going, but basically lets rikoty and superbia do all the work in pushing it. Could easily be a mafia lurker trying to get some town creds and confusion going, while heaping scum on somebody else. Willing to lynch.

On May 05 2015 23:40 disformation wrote:


Which things? All that is in his filter is nothing and the start of the HtS push, where he was content to sit back really fast. Yes, there was also a really strange meta/tone read thingie, but I don't see how that is worse than doing jack shit all day and then reappearing with a push and not really following up on that push.

Slowly getting frustrated that everything I do is called scummy in some way. Seeing why scott just stopped at one point.

On May 09 2015 06:45 -Celestial- wrote:
@disformation: Honestly I don't care if its "pro-plays" or not. Mafia is effectively a puzzle and mind game. Deliberately throwing confusion into it screws up people's reads.

On May 09 2015 07:04 y0su wrote:
a) ritoky is scum. he believes dis to be dr. he's going to nk dis. everyone is going to know his claim is false.
b) ritoky is vt. he believes dis to be dr. he tries something desperate to save dis.

which is more likely?