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On May 03 2015 09:40 The Shining wrote:
Nah but now I know you're not reading. Thanks for that.
"It's not in her filter."
I want to believe you just thought you caught something but the lie hurts. You're just trying to throw scum on me. Red flag.
Scott actually looks worse for posting a pointless ut oh, as opposed to checking HtS filter himself to see if you were even being truthful.
This came after I towned Scott. I got the ball rolling on Scott looking bad for his seeming blind vote. Yeah. Pocketing.
And I wasn't surprised Scott caught on to what I did with my entrance post. We were both in the last Student game together. I opened pretty much the same way. I was blue. He was scum. He also didn't town me off of that, iirc, so it doesn't fit the scum metaread I have on 2 games vs scumScott.
What does pregame banter have to do with anything?
I'm not saying you couldn't be right here. Maybe Scott did attempt to pocket me there. But that's part of why I started being suspicious of him again after blindly sheeping you onto HtS. But the way you're presenting your reads and pushes feel detrimental to town. Misinformation regarding my comment on HtS. Scumming me and joining my pressure wagon. Assuming I'm pocketing when my reads are still evolving and I already said I'm shyt on D1 but I refuse to let you ML me, while refusing to lynch the person you say could be pocketing me and that looks substantially worse here, gameplay wise.
And this is now the 2nd or 3rd time in 20+ pages you've thrown scum on me. Do what you gotta do or get off the pot.
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I threw scum on you just now? That's news to me. :D You're actually sort of becoming townie in my books.
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Actually, The Shining, can you link to some games of yours? I'll skim them later.
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On May 04 2015 01:58 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now. I like shining as scum too. I'm undecided on scott. I had him as town early on. I'm decently sure -c- is town here as well. Undecided on prp, but I liked his initial thoughts. Also agreed on FF being town.
You never rescinded so ya, it was another time throwing scum after the HtS "slip".
And sure, though they're all Newbie/Student games, and can be found with a little effort.
Town/Blue games:
Newbie Mini Mafia LX
Newbie Mini Mafia LXI
Newbie Student Mafia VIII
Newbie Student Mafia VII
Newbie Student Mafia VI
My lone scum game:
Student Mafia V
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Kinda drunk so coherency might be an issue. Though I'm concentrating really hard so hopefully not.
On May 04 2015 03:25 y0su wrote:
-c- why is it that necessary to "check-in and out" ?
Its not. I was doing it out of courtesy because people were asking me stuff.
On May 04 2015 03:35 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 03:21 -Celestial- wrote:On May 04 2015 02:58 Superbia wrote:
Celestial, what do you think of Ritoky at this moment? What do you think of the fact that Ritoky's reads line up with mine? Jury still out. I still think he's looked pretty scummy but he's been getting better and he was, after all, my weakest scum read in the first place. The reads lining up isn't alignment indicative. Could be collusion, could be two people of either side coming up with the same thing, could be sheeping influence from the thread. On May 04 2015 03:02 y0su wrote:the thought of -c- and scott being teammates crossed my mind  doesn't feel right (experience might tell me otherwise) I know you have no reason to believe my word on whether or not I'm on a team with scott but if I was on his team I wouldn't have bussed him so early and so quickly. On May 04 2015 03:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
-c- you seem really confident for being so new As I mentioned in my last game I've played this quite a lot with people I've been in plays with (its a common team building and warm up activity in rehearsals). Plus I've played the SC2 mod. So I'm pretty comfortable with the game in general, just not the forum format in particular. On a side note unless we seriously get some solid reads out of Stutters695 soon I'm going to start scumming him just for completely ignoring my repeated requests for sets of reads. I don't really do d1. My reads are ass because there isn't nearly enough info to go off of and I'd rather sheep someone with a better track record or lynch someone who has no intention of playing. I think I've already posted about how much I did in NSM7 lol.
Same defence as sicklucker. Sorry I don't really buy it. I've only played one other game of forum-based mafia but it doesn't hurt to start pressuring people from day 1 as ideally with 3 mafia you want one mafia lynch day 1, one day 2 and one day 3. Failing a vigi kill that is.
That being said its not enough for me to read you as scum. Not when scott has dug himself that hole to lie in. You're not a d1 lynch in my book. Scott is. Maybe if we had a lack of options but if we don't lynch scott I wouldn't mind seeing a Superbia lynch either because I'm very uncomfortable with his play.
On May 04 2015 04:11 y0su wrote:
only one spreadsheet? hmm
Obviously not trying hard enough. I'm in the middle of generating venn diagrams for everyone in the game plus assocation link spider diagrams. ;P
On May 04 2015 04:52 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 01:58 Superbia wrote:On May 04 2015 01:54 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:46 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky you want to share your scum reads so far or do you just wanna chill and see for a little? maybe scott and maybe shining atm are my top 2. not particularly firm on either. am moreso looking for towns right now. i think me, ff, -c- are pretty much town. then superbia, and prp are 2nd tier town for now. I like shining as scum too. I'm undecided on scott. I had him as town early on. I'm decently sure -c- is town here as well. Undecided on prp, but I liked his initial thoughts. Also agreed on FF being town. Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 02:03 Superbia wrote:On May 04 2015 01:59 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 01:55 Superbia wrote:On May 04 2015 01:48 ritoky wrote:On May 03 2015 19:58 Superbia wrote:
Rest of your reads are pretty fluffy. while i agree with you that the majority of that opening post is meh at best, his scott read is good. you don't seem to mention it as having any value. why? if you disagree, tell me bout it m8. The scott read was okay at best. I don't see how it is very alignment indicative. Did scott really blindly trust me? I don't know. It's not entirely clear to me what scott did that lead to the decision to vote HtS, it was pretty quiet after I thought I caught the slip. To me it felt like there was a bit of confusion from scott's part on what was actually happening. I would like to hear some more from scott on his thought process, but I don't find his vote on HtS particularly alignment indicative. it reminded me of how i lynched mafia on day 1 in hearthstone mafia. someone gave a piss poor and inaccurate read on day 1. and then another player immediately agreed with it and helped push it as an attempt to pocket the person who made the read and get in on the ground floor of a lynch. i looked into the accuracy of the read/push and it was complete garbage. in that situation, the guy who follows the garbage read is usually more likely scum than the person making it. that was the case in hearthstone. and i think i poorly explained this one, rip me. Yeah, maybe. I thought he was decently townie before any of that though. I also thought that the interactions between scott and the shining shady (iirc). Felt like at least one of them trusted the other one too easily (and maybe some pocketing going on). I think I found our first scum here, guys. I just can't understand the town motivation here. I'm scum. Undecided on Scott. But our interactions were shady. Too much easy trusting and maybe pocketing. But I'm suspicious of Scott? So how am I pocketing? This leads to Super NOT BEING INTERESTED IN A SCOTT LYNCH. WHICH LEADS TO HIM GETTING ON THE SL WAGON. Wtf bro? I'm scum, right? Why are you voting on MY wagon? This could be an attempt to save scummate Scott.
I like this post. A lot. Although it may be because I'm tunneling so hard on the "scott and Superbia are mafia team" thing. I'll take another look when I'm sober.
I have to say I don't like all of these "I don't do day 1" excuses. I can understand WHY but it comes across as a supremely easy way to lurk as a mafia. If there were a total lack of other reads I'd not hesitate to just policy lynch someone claiming that, despite the fact I don't like policy lynches. The goal is to find mafia, not to wait until D2 and THEN start to find mafia.
Anyway I'll try to do a full re-evaluation of everyone tomorrow plus write up the case on scott in full. Pending any change in circumstances of course. I can't do it now because I've had far too much to drink. I'd be happy with a lynch of scott or Superbia at this point. scott for preference because even if he is town his play is detrimental to a win; plus assuming scott flips red (which is looking highly likely) I think we can almost auto-lynch Superbia unless he drastically changes his tune (and even then could just be bussing). Anyone else would be a fairly weak lynch I think.
I'll probably be about a bit but I'm kinda woozy and might drop out at any moment. If anyone wants to ask questions hopefully I'll catch them before I drop off.
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if shining is town, someone is gonna have to talk me out of lynching him all game i think....the way he phrases things bugs the living shit out of me and makes me want to lynch him lol.
also not particularly fond of hts. enters thread -> summary information -> makes read 8 other people have made -> asks question -> draws no conclusions from time in thread. you're a decent player, you're in the thread engaging with people, and you don't conclude anything. not townie enough for cookies. go sit in the corner.
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On May 04 2015 04:17 y0su wrote:
ff, what do you think of ritoky's initial "loopyness" followed by a pretty quick change of direction into questioning?
if you ask questions like this, you need to arrive at conclusions and post them in the thread. both a piece of advice and a comment.
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On May 04 2015 04:34 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 04:26 Tictock wrote:On May 04 2015 04:09 Stutters695 wrote:On May 04 2015 04:06 Tictock wrote:
Allright done with work for the day, so I can actually be active here for awhile.
A couple reads of the thread thus far have left me with the following read/feels.
-Celestial- A pretty clear town read. The initial reads are all very clear with good reasoning. While there is a bit of tunneling happening on scott celestial has given clear reasons why.
scott31337 Seems scummy for sure. I can looks past the initial voting stuff,to an extent, but the reactions to the pressure do not read as town to me at all.
Fecalfeast I was originally going to give FF a town read as he seems active and engadged, but looking at his filter I find nothing solid in his posts. That puts him neutral for me, with maybe just a hint of scum.
I'll have to dig through more filters to see if I can get more reads. I have a hard time putting much stock into my D1 reads with the level of fluff posts and pressure plays, but I'll keep posting about what is standing out to me. FF is so clearly town it's unreal that you think he's neutral/slightly scummy. What makes him clearly town to you? I really can't say exactly due to ongoing game. Scum FF posts often, but much less poignantly. Read some of his previous scum games and compare that to p4 of his filter here.
This reasoning doesn't work for me. It would give me questionable info to try and build meta reads for people off old games. Questionable because it could or could not have any bearing on this game and I wouldn't have that much confidence in trying to build my own meta read in such a short time.
Suffice it to say that I am not a fan of useing meta reads, and will just straight up not accept that a meta read is strong enough to say anyone is "clearly" anything.
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On May 04 2015 01:59 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 01:55 Superbia wrote:On May 04 2015 01:48 ritoky wrote:On May 03 2015 19:58 Superbia wrote:
Rest of your reads are pretty fluffy. while i agree with you that the majority of that opening post is meh at best, his scott read is good. you don't seem to mention it as having any value. why? if you disagree, tell me bout it m8. The scott read was okay at best. I don't see how it is very alignment indicative. Did scott really blindly trust me? I don't know. It's not entirely clear to me what scott did that lead to the decision to vote HtS, it was pretty quiet after I thought I caught the slip. To me it felt like there was a bit of confusion from scott's part on what was actually happening. I would like to hear some more from scott on his thought process, but I don't find his vote on HtS particularly alignment indicative. it reminded me of how i lynched mafia on day 1 in hearthstone mafia. someone gave a piss poor and inaccurate read on day 1. and then another player immediately agreed with it and helped push it as an attempt to pocket the person who made the read and get in on the ground floor of a lynch. i looked into the accuracy of the read/push and it was complete garbage. in that situation, the guy who follows the garbage read is usually more likely scum than the person making it. that was the case in hearthstone. and i think i poorly explained this one, rip me.
hey look at the second person to vote me!@
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On May 04 2015 05:37 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 05:23 Tictock wrote:
I'm getting pretty strong town vibes from y0su, disformation, and ritoky. I really like disformation's attempts to poke and ask questions. y0su is my weakest read of these 3, but feels like a solid town.
Can you define what you mean by "vibes" particularly with y0su and ritoky? Do you mean a tone read (which to my understanding most consider weak) or was there a particular quote/page/interaction that solidifies them as town?
Tone read is probably what I mean, but I'll elaborate.
y0su seems to be trying to take everything in, he is asking questions and is staying somewhat active. Actually he is fairly active because very little of his posts are fluff and generally they add to the discussion.
On May 04 2015 02:41 y0su wrote:
well, that's the problem, look at the biggest back and forth we've had: -c- vs scott.
-c- came in with what I feel was a very bold 1st post (list) that bugged me. why would he pick 3 scum out of the active players and and let others slide just because he didn't have a read (afk/low post count)?
he had some decent points, but was it all to put on pressure or to start swaying people?
without experience, it doesn't feel like something town would do (and this is -c-'s 2nd game afaik)
that followed into the rather aggressive finger pointing with scott.
I had a weird feel from him from the start and non of what -c- said helped him... but again it just feels like "an easy target" to try to get people to bandwagon.
...but all that leaves me is not wanting to vote for either one (yet).
That post is probably his strongest Town post imo. He isn't taking -c-'s reads and running with them, rather he is actively looking at them from other angles to decide if -c- is actually town modivated here.
As for ritoky, his initial posts don't hold any real value but the last page and a half of his filter looks like solid town discussion to me. I could quote a few of his posts here but I think a look through his recent filter will show you what I'm seeing.
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On May 04 2015 02:00 Superbia wrote:
I'm not interested in lynching scott today for now. Want to hear his thought process during the whole HtS debacle though. Wagon on SL would be nice.
This is why your probably his partner. Celestial suggested and i had the same thoughts. Anyway if your on that side of trhe fence you should be pushing celestial not me you said her list post was scummy right?
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On May 04 2015 02:09 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2015 02:06 ritoky wrote:On May 04 2015 02:00 Superbia wrote:
I'm not interested in lynching scott today for now. Want to hear his thought process during the whole HtS debacle though. Wagon on SL would be nice. explain the SL wagon idea, is it pressure or legit scum? I hate that he pre-game said he doesn't play d1. I think SL is usually a pretty easy town read for me (it has to do with activity and the way that he posts), but I haven't read him town at all.
Then maybe dont lynch me? Its only been like 24 hours into the game on a weekend on day 1.
I dont lynch people I read well day 1. Which is pretty much no one in this game unfortunately
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On May 04 2015 02:30 scott31337 wrote:
So I jumped a bit to conclusions with HtS - I actually thought that QT information was spilled - I did put a vote in this thread and by the time I found out about the vote thread - I reread her pregame filter with both D1 excuses - from April 25th and from May 1st. There was no need to vote her in the voting thread. I've voted SL for now, he's still at the bottom of my list. I've caught up in the thread - I was about to ask Ritoky about his prplhz read but he explained this already.
You do realize you just unvoted someone who didnt post because of a pregame excuse. Then you voted someone who didnt post and had a pregame excuse. This is something you did
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tictock calls me out for not having reads or substance, show my reads and tictock doesn't care. One shade minus
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On May 04 2015 04:14 Fecalfeast wrote:this is the first time I've taken any form of notes in my ... 10 games? I'm not sure how many I've played to be honest.
you took notes.....? my head is spinning
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On May 04 2015 07:47 ritoky wrote:
if shining is town, someone is gonna have to talk me out of lynching him all game i think....the way he phrases things bugs the living shit out of me and makes me want to lynch him lol.
also not particularly fond of hts. enters thread -> summary information -> makes read 8 other people have made -> asks question -> draws no conclusions from time in thread. you're a decent player, you're in the thread engaging with people, and you don't conclude anything. not townie enough for cookies. go sit in the corner.
Lmao explain? I like to think its fairly easy to tell when I'm town. But I won't meta myself for you. Super asked for my game links, go see if you want to lynch me reading other town games. I've been told I look scummy as town before, nothing new to me. I could say the same for your opening posts and 0 to 100 change from one style to the other.
But I lynch scum, not people whose posting style and phrasing annoys me. Just so I understand, this post is you hinting at probably wanting to lynch me all game while being not particularly fond of HtS? Not townie enough!
Why not come out and take a stance? This looks like 2 weak reads left to sit there in the hopes someone else will actively push them. HtS draws no conclusions but you don't say anything definitive here, either. Lynch me for phrasing and HtS...isn't townie enough. Funny you pick on my phrasing instead of saying what she isn't, instead of what you think she is.
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FF and super did you guys agree to spam 1 liners in your scum qt for page 25?
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FF does not make notes. He does try harder as scum so he might make some fake notes then you fools!
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This is bullshit SL. You have said before that I am an easy read for you. Furthermore, you know that I bus as scum and I don't hard align with team mates. Me being with scott should not make that much sense to you.
What else do you have?
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