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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 16:17 GMT
#641
On May 05 2015 00:50 sicklucker wrote:
So we def kill scott. Then if he flips scum we def kill super. If not maybe hts? I donno this seems solid tho


I agree with you on Scott and Super, but why am I poor?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 16:17 GMT
#642
Clearly you aren't reading the thread either SL? Or reading selectively?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 04 2015 16:19 GMT
#643
On May 05 2015 01:13 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 00:51 ritoky wrote:
On May 05 2015 00:33 disformation wrote:
On May 04 2015 21:22 -Celestial- wrote:
scott is either scum or is playing horribly scummy town. Either way he's a total liability and I would not be surprised in the slightest to see him flip red.


Well, this strikes me as a bit odd as I kinda read this as "At this point I don't care if he is mafia or not". So I kinda get where y0su gets his feeling from. But I don't think that is anywhere close enough to dismiss the case or call -c- scum. Plus I agree on him more likely being scum. But this might me nice to keep on hand for the night phase.


This part. It could very well come from mafia trying to set up a place to dump the blame if the lynch is sour. You're making excuses/plans before the flip has occurred; tends to happen with some1 who has no confidence in their read or is trying to shove off the blame.

ALSO why you give me no credit for that "we" thing? That was totes me who found that. ROOD AS FUK!


Okay, this is a fair point. But I see this statement from both alignments.

Second question for ritoky then, as a veteran surely by now, you've seen others make the same statements from townies commenting on players who might be playing suboptimally or whose town meta is close to scum meta (think batsnacks, kushm4sta, Blazinghand, sicklucker, LightningStrike, etc).

Why is it (or do you think it is) unreasonable to imagine Celestial could be making such an observation as town? The mafia rationale makes sense, but why wouldn't the town rationale for this same statement?


if by celestial you mean disform, the town perspective is that he believes wrong could = mafia, and -c- leading the lynch and potentially being wrong = mafia. that is suboptimal esp for day 1, but it could be from town. i don't find it particularly damning at this point, it does cheapen a really good superbia read though.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 04 2015 16:19 GMT
#644
Look, HtS should be an easy read later in the game. I know from the last game on the mafia side she tends to drink shots when things are going well for her side. So if things start going badly for town and HtS appears to be increasingly drunk we just lynch her then.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 16:20 GMT
#645
On May 05 2015 01:08 y0su wrote:
@hts, I get what I've been missing... (see my last post). If scum pushes super hard for a d1 that just leaves town with an easy d2 target. So pushing hard d1 (especially that "early") would be a town move.


On May 05 2015 01:11 y0su wrote:
based on that, (unless someone can explain why that would be wrong) -c- goes town for me.


If you aren't voting Scott at this point, then why and then whom do you think is a stronger candidate?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 04 2015 16:22 GMT
#646
I was just waiting to make sure I had sound reasoning on -c- (at last).
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 04 2015 16:24 GMT
#647
On May 05 2015 01:14 Stutters695 wrote:
Prpl still missing I see.


Yup. Also very interested in seeing, what, if anything he will do in the near future. Meanwhile your filter is also really short. Want to share some thoughts? Any reads on ritoky and ticktoc? You mentioned that you'd be willing to vote for scott. Does that still hold?

On May 05 2015 01:17 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 01:03 disformation wrote:
4. Well, if there was anything strange with that post I would be that part. Let us see if -c- has anything to say on that?


I don't quite get what you're asking here. Please ask a direct question with a quote and I'll answer.

I was trying to explain my thought process for this post:
On May 05 2015 00:33 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 21:22 -Celestial- wrote:
scott is either scum or is playing horribly scummy town. Either way he's a total liability and I would not be surprised in the slightest to see him flip red.


Well, this strikes me as a bit odd as I kinda read this as "At this point I don't care if he is mafia or not". So I kinda get where y0su gets his feeling from. But I don't think that is anywhere close enough to dismiss the case or call -c- scum. Plus I agree on him more likely being scum. But this might me nice to keep on hand for the night phase.


Which you already answered to.
So everything fine.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 16:24 GMT
#648
On May 05 2015 01:14 Stutters695 wrote:
Prpl still missing I see.


Completely MIA today. He's only an hour ahead of me, so I'd have expected something of some sort. Shocking.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 16:25 GMT
#649
Leaving the office. More filter diving to come, probably after dinner.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 04 2015 16:26 GMT
#650
i like hts because she is keying into the same posts as me

i dislike hts because she is having opposite reactions to them.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 04 2015 16:26 GMT
#651
EBWOP:
So everything IS fine.
Starting to feel tired, didn't sleep well last two nights.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 16:28 GMT
#652
On May 05 2015 01:19 -Celestial- wrote:
Look, HtS should be an easy read later in the game. I know from the last game on the mafia side she tends to drink shots when things are going well for her side. So if things start going badly for town and HtS appears to be increasingly drunk we just lynch her then.


ROFLMAO. I also did that in Void as mafia vanilla.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 04 2015 16:30 GMT
#653
y'know i gave prp a early town read cuz he made a quality observation, then i layed off him cuz he did a "fuck you" post, which always gives me the hots. but this kinda disengaged is kinda meh. you're falling on my list big boy.

stutters is also declining rapidly at this point.

place them both on the lynchable list.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 04 2015 16:33 GMT
#654
Stutters CLAIMS that he doesn't really do day 1. Given that we have a couple of high potential lynch targets already I'm okay with not lynching him day 1 for that but I'm expecting huge things for day 2 as a result.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 16:37 GMT
#655
On May 05 2015 01:26 ritoky wrote:
i like hts because she is keying into the same posts as me

i dislike hts because she is having opposite reactions to them.


I noticed this as well (opposite reactions, in the 1-2 examples I drew up) and there are reasons for this in the world that we are both town especially D1. One possible reason is knowledge of players versus lack of knowledge (Shining for instance) and second I personally try and ignore tone with people unless it's the only thing I have and even if it is, it's a weak read, and I try to keep my eyes more to other things. You also admitted earlier you need to work on looking past tone.

In the case of Shining I can see exactly why you have a different reaction to him than I did. And I highlighted that already. If you are scum, that wouldn't be the reason for it.

Even when I look at you and knowing how well you play scum, I am still trying to keep an open mind and find both town and scum rationales for your behaviour or others who I potentially have trouble figuring out. That includes the newbies.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 16:38 GMT
#656
On May 05 2015 01:33 -Celestial- wrote:
Stutters CLAIMS that he doesn't really do day 1. Given that we have a couple of high potential lynch targets already I'm okay with not lynching him day 1 for that but I'm expecting huge things for day 2 as a result.


100%
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
May 04 2015 16:38 GMT
#657
On May 05 2015 01:33 -Celestial- wrote:
Stutters CLAIMS that he doesn't really do day 1. Given that we have a couple of high potential lynch targets already I'm okay with not lynching him day 1 for that but I'm expecting huge things for day 2 as a result.


yes but even though i think scott is probably scum based on his play, i have an doubt and mechanics as to why i want another target. the doubt is simple: literal 0 people have defended him. when 0 people defend some1 they are either slam dunk mafia or they are town and mafia is pulling wool over eyes.

the mechanics of why i want a 2nd target are that voting logic is a strong indicator of alignment, ESPECIALLY in newbie games. if every1 votes scott, regardless of his alignment when he flips. we end the day with shit vote logic info. i don't want that.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 16:39 GMT
#658
Now I'm out of the office. But I will be back for sure before the end of the day.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 04 2015 16:40 GMT
#659
Ritoky, if you want my input on a second target independent of Scott, I'd say Superbia is the most likely.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 04 2015 16:45 GMT
#660
Ah while we are at it...

On May 03 2015 19:55 disformation wrote:
Stutters695 :
You were around for a bit, but my list on you is empty and your filter is really short. Give us something more to work with? How bad do you think scott looks now? Any idea of who you would lynch as of now? Scum reads?


On May 04 2015 04:08 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2015 03:21 -Celestial- wrote:
On a side note unless we seriously get some solid reads out of Stutters695 soon I'm going to start scumming him just for completely ignoring my repeated requests for sets of reads.


He also didn't answer my questions for him, so I agree on that.


On May 04 2015 20:13 disformation wrote:
prplhz :
I look at his filter and see nothing. I can easily picture him sitting in mafia QT and munching popcorn, since everyone seems to have forgotten about him.

Stutters :
See prplhz.


On May 05 2015 01:24 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 01:14 Stutters695 wrote:
Prpl still missing I see.


Yup. Also very interested in seeing, what, if anything he will do in the near future. Meanwhile your filter is also really short. Want to share some thoughts? Any reads on ritoky and ticktoc? You mentioned that you'd be willing to vote for scott. Does that still hold?


Guess how many answers I counted so far.
+ Show Spoiler +
0


Sure he did a short note on scott, ff and prplhz.
But I will expect to see some real action D2.
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