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ironically...i was gonna say i'm going to bed and you should just do your thing; i'll give you space and not engage you again until tomorrow
but lol
you're gone already ^^
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This is a friendly reminder that waveofshadow is mafia
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I also still want to lynch wave
his read on me is total ass
cba to really do much else but say that if you ctrl + f my name in his filter it's quite a shitshow
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On April 27 2015 03:39 Palmar wrote:
Quickly skimmed Yamato since he came back. Moving my vote to waveofshadow
##unvote
##vote waveofshadow
I think it's less likely that Yamato is mafia now so that kinda puts artanis back on the table
Palmar any chance of you explaining what made you think he was less likely mafia around the time of this post?
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I came back to the thread hoping for lots of new information.
I am underwhelmed.
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##vote Breshke
^^ my stubbornness is on par with palmar's i think lol ><
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Decisions, decisions...
##vote WaveofShadow
I really, really, really hope I'm right.
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well that's good
if it were just two really's i'd doubt your alignment xP
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Meh, wave is making no sense and him just picking out of yamatos filter when yam has some decently long posts after a lot of those comments is a bit meh
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i'm willing to lynch wave today despite the stubbornness, honestly
but fair warning...some of that may be an emotional reaction lol ><
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Votecount:
Yamato77 (2) - WaveofShadow, Breshke
WaveofShadow (2) - Palmar, trfel
Breshke (1) - rsoultin
until the end of the next cycle.
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
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I'm still ok on the Wave wagon though the fact that so many people are too does worry me but eh.
What I didn't like about his posting yesterday was that he really didn't spend much time actually commenting on his biggest scumread (Yamato). There was this..
On April 28 2015 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote:I'm also not really sure why Rsoul is so aggro towards breshke. It just seems really out of place. KK yamato. I mean...I don't really even have anything I comment on. Dude's not here, not playing. Like...super minor push on Artanis, and ONE post on me while fingering me earlier in the thread---honestly makes it seem like he was looking for a reason to scumread me when he posted this: Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 15:08 yamato77 wrote:Before I delve into your posts, Damdred, I'll say that I haven't liked Artanis from the start, so it's pretty easy for me to get on to the idea of him being mafia. His whole "you made me mad so now I'm NOT going to play the game" thing was a weak response to my pressure and I should have pushed it more. His trfel read kinda synced with mine a bit at eod so I wavered but with rso basically calling him (trfel) conf town I dunno if my read is even good so I can't give Artanis much credit there even if we had the same problem with trfel. So I assume you mean these posts, where you outline your problems with Artanis On April 26 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote:
Talk to me about Artanis Rsoultin. artie is hard for me to read :/ like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle A few things really, I felt like today particularly there was a bit more omgus in Artanis for instance in how he dealt with me. Are my reads at that point in the thread substantial? Not really no, are they up to my standards? No not really. But he would rather think i should be the lynch than Yamato? That doesn't necessarily make sense to me in that regard. For instance look at what hes done this day, hes called my case on trfel bad. Which maybe it is, i think that there still might be something there. Voted Palmar unvoted, and then said that I should be the lynch over Yamato. Not sure that there is much reevaluation. Also it is also of note that he didn't get really active for his burst until I pinged him out. Which is interesting. I can't really speak to the flow of the game sort of stuff like OMGUS response and reactive activity seeing as I'm reading everything in hindsight, so this post in and of itself doesn't mean a whole lot to me. On April 26 2015 07:15 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 07:10 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 07:04 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:59 Damdred wrote:On April 26 2015 06:50 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:43 Damdred wrote:
Talk to me about Artanis Rsoultin. artie is hard for me to read :/ like...i liked his post about you xP i wouldn't lynch you over yamato but i see a lot of the things he brought up as well. it's sorta a soft defense of yamato? but if yamato is scum i almost feel like it's in artanis' favor to jump on that rather than try to direct the lynch elsewhere i also like how he revisited his truffle read >< and yes i'm aware that this is just me agreeing with what he's saying my problem is i know he has a good scumgame; i've seen him just give up as scum but he came back into today willing to discuss things and reads and i can see his thought progression i kinda feel like it's to scum's advantage to let the thread continue to stagnate, which wasn't the sense i got from him today (or you, for that matter) which is one of the reasons why i'm feeling a bit better about the both of you and a bit worse about truffle A few things really, I felt like today particularly there was a bit more omgus in Artanis for instance in how he dealt with me. Are my reads at that point in the thread substantial? Not really no, are they up to my standards? No not really. But he would rather think i should be the lynch than Yamato? That doesn't necessarily make sense to me in that regard. For instance look at what hes done this day, hes called my case on trfel bad. Which maybe it is, i think that there still might be something there. Voted Palmar unvoted, and then said that I should be the lynch over Yamato. Not sure that there is much reevaluation. Also it is also of note that he didn't get really active for his burst until I pinged him out. Which is interesting. hmm that may be true i'd have to take another look at when he started talking :/ and his general read progression on the both of y'all there was definitely re-evaluation on truffle, though, that much i'm sure of and i kinda get the vote palmar, unvote thing...isn't it a thing to push palmar to see how he responds to get a read? i thought it was. i know that palmar typically encourages it, and palmar did come out looking more townie for it lol >< anyway give me a bit to look into that Well one thing to understand about Palmar is in this type of situation what does one vote do? Its no where close to picking up steam he is in peoples POE list but does that guarantee hes going to get up and going just because he has 1/5 votes needed its not pressurish at all imo. It could of turned into that if other people hopped on the wagon, but i'm not so sure about it especially. But Art did push off a Yamato lynch I believe when he first started talking about me after my trfel post earlier in this cycle. And then he said i should be the lynch over Yamato because my reads aren't intricate and mostly fluff. But then he neither pushes Palmar for l ynch really or pushes me to an extent, if you think that Yamato shouldnt' be the lynch and either one of Palmar/Damdred should why would you sit back and really do nothing to influence what people think? that's a fair point. i thought he was scumreading yamato though? On April 24 2015 22:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much. Just an exert then we have this On April 26 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Meta is great though. Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.
Actually a problem I see in his filter is that he's droning on about the same things over and over again. First WoS, then the thing with me on waiting for Palmar/BH to contribute, and then on BH. He doesn't really re-evaluate anything nor does he share many thoughts on other things than whatever he's chasing at the time.
Could prob lynch/10. On April 26 2015 03:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 26 2015 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 26 2015 03:20 rsoultin wrote:On April 21 2015 12:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
They were real reads before I realized the premise was wrong. And why the fuck do I have to call you town?
Why are you fishing for townreads from me yamato? You're behaving so oddly, and it's not even your normal hyper-aggressive early game push that Im used to.
I just wanted to wreck scum with you for once. Just once. Apparently it was too much to ask. from the one who doesn't like to use meta xP It's an observation, and I'm not calling him scum based on that. He's absolutely behaving oddly, even ignoring what I already know of him. On April 26 2015 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 26 2015 03:17 WaveofShadow wrote:Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.
Where did I do this? And no in my experience meta is shit terrible, and I am certainly not marv, one of very few people who can maybe attempt to use it correctly. essentially the call is are we feeling lynchy or do we wait for yamato And frankly by the time 48h rolls around im always feeling lynchy I want to see a flip so I'll sheep rsoul ##unvote
##vote: yamato77 Sorry, I didn't mean that you did this, I meant that I did that. So that means you found him town earlier based on him pushing some stuff 'cause meta and now you're rethinking it? Basically, yes. I think I might want to lynch Damdred over him though. His list post is followed by a bunch of fluff that doesn't really say anything and doesn't have any of the intricate reads Damdred usually has. It's so unrefined and fluffy, and his apologetic tone on "I know it's pretty global" only compounds it. Finally this, i went through Arts filter and there is no Yamato scum read in it. Just things like, I could make better posts but that doesn't make Yamato scum etc., This post, where you ping out his changing read on me, is quite interesting. Notably, I literally haven't given a new read since eod, so how could Artanis go from such a confident strong townread to such a weak justification of voting for me in such a short time? ritoky did this sort of thing as scum in the last game and it really brought him forward to me as possible mafia. His follow-up where he continues to push you while casually calling me mafia is quite interesting though. Wouldn't it be really easy for scum Artanis to just flock to the herd rather than continue to ping you out? Still don't see any reason not to lynch Yamato but for some reason I'm starting to think of unflipped scumteams (bad wave bad) and palmar/yamato makes a great deal of sense considering how quickly yamato just flew off his radar for no good reason. Although then again everything Palmar has done this game hasn't been for much good reason so I still don't know what to think of it. Artanis getting sick of Palmar and wants to lynch him---at first glance seems really bad since Artanis didn't care about Palmar's weak pushing up until now, but to wait for THIS long to try and get Palmar lynched from scum seems weird...like why not try it earlier since it's not like Palmar has done anything differently? Unless it's Artanis just trying to look for a new target I don't THINK that comes from scum. I was about to ask who Artanis wants to lynch now but I think it's me. Fair. I guess yamato remains my target then since apology post from Trfel and while there are other possibilities, yamato seems like the most solid choice. As far as voting for afkers goes we have a limit now, and it's likely people (especially me) are going to be away for deadline so like I said before people are going to have to get over the fact that they're lynching someone who's afk. If it's me so be it.
But does it really push him? Not really. "I guess yamato remains my target", not really any strength behind it. He gives two reasons for scumreading Yamato (Not playing + 2 minor pushes) and in then a bit later starts commenting on an unflipped association between Palmar and Yamato that doesn't go anywhere. He also points out a bunch of things he dislikes about me, but then in the end says he doesn't THINK he wants to lynch me.
I just don't see any direction or focus behind his postings. People are on top of him and he's just continuing giving random comments rather than focussing on his lynch; Yamato.
There's still lots of doubts in my mind because I really don't think the way he's been posting is the most likely for scum!wave to survive and I think he has a good scumgame but urghhhh maybe he's just got a bad scumgame this time.
##Vote WaveOfShadow
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And I lied, I'm not going to check Breshke today because not enough people want to lynch him. I will check Yamato though.
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On April 29 2015 02:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And I lied, I'm not going to check Breshke today because not enough people want to lynch him. I will check Yamato though. I am willing to lynch Breshke.
I would appreciate it if you checked Breshke?
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Fine, I'll check Breshke too.
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yeeeeah i'd appreciate it if damdred checked him too ^^ i'm fine with either but lol >< i dunnae i just really have a strong feeling on breshke here ><
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I think I might actually want to lynch Yamato. Going through a few of his towngames he comments on so many more things than he has this game, where he's been really fixated on a very small amount of things (BH whom he didn't really have a strong read on one way or the other but still comments on, the thing I commented on regarding Palmar/BH, and later just tunneling on me with a passerby comment on Trfel until I'm no longer a popular target when he just jumps the bandwagon onto Wave). It feels like his radar is much smaller than it usually is on towngames. I scrolled through Guilty, for example, and pretty much every post comments on someone else. LXVII, same thing though less so. Devil, same thing.
Problem is that his play isn't really similar to his last scumgame where he tried either (Survivor). However, I'd argue that Yamato has commented on how much he's disliked playing scum (it's in the big post at the end of Survivor). I'd also argue that his focus on small things/singular people is easier to do than his usual towngame. It also feels very convenient how his reads match town sentiment all the time, swapping to lynching Wave as soon as I'm no longer a viable target.
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hmmm
so, you're saying it doesn't look like either of his games, but you think it's more likely scum than town?
what makes you want to lynch him the most, though?
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On April 29 2015 03:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think I might actually want to lynch Yamato. Going through a few of his towngames he comments on so many more things than he has this game, where he's been really fixated on a very small amount of things (BH whom he didn't really have a strong read on one way or the other but still comments on, the thing I commented on regarding Palmar/BH, and later just tunneling on me with a passerby comment on Trfel until I'm no longer a popular target when he just jumps the bandwagon onto Wave). It feels like his radar is much smaller than it usually is on towngames. I scrolled through Guilty, for example, and pretty much every post comments on someone else. LXVII, same thing though less so. Devil, same thing.
Problem is that his play isn't really similar to his last scumgame where he tried either (Survivor). However, I'd argue that Yamato has commented on how much he's disliked playing scum (it's in the big post at the end of Survivor). I'd also argue that his focus on small things/singular people is easier to do than his usual towngame. It also feels very convenient how his reads match town sentiment all the time, swapping to lynching Wave as soon as I'm no longer a viable target. But there are a few holes that I see in this.
First, I don't think that it is inherently anti-town to focus on one thing at a time and jump around like yamato77 has been doing. What really matters is how you evaluate and consider everything at the key times (approaching a lynch), and yamato77 seems to be willing to consider everything when he is evaluating potential lynches.
As for following the thread sentiment and not commenting on as much, it is a smaller game, and it is a slower game. To be honest, I don't feel like there is generally much to talk about that isn't the "thread sentiment".
So while this doesn't look good for yamato77, and I could see myself lynching him, I can't confidently say that this makes him scum.
Sort of like how I can't confidently scumread Breshke for having no unique pushes this game.On January 18 2015 12:43 Breshke wrote:None its shit i know. I'm going through and rereading again, especially the longer posts like geripts because i didn't really read them well. Who is your biggest scum right now? In addition to Breshke being cautious with his scumreads, this is a hard game.
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