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On April 29 2015 04:12 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, I have a really really stupid tone read question for you.
For most of this game, WaveofShadow has been frustrated and mad, or at least seemed that way to me.
Since he started being scumread, his tone became very reasonable and withdrawn, he didn't feel frustrated at all (the notable exception being his argument with rsoultin). But that seems to be a strange difference for me.
One possible explanation is that he spent most of this time discussing with me (who apparently he has decided is extremely weak and sensitive, thus he can't show frustration or I will go cry to my mommy). But I'm not sure that I buy this, so I wonder if that makes him look more scummy.
Did you not feel that towards the end of his filter yesterday he was becoming much more angry?
Also, don't get me wrong, I still find Wave very suspicious and I'm actually quite torn between Wave/Yamato.
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well, it's what i've been basing my read on
so if it's not good enough it's not good enough for you
sorry i'm a little burnt out right now...or i don't know really
maybe sick i just feel off
i'll be back later i guess
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On April 29 2015 04:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 04:12 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, I have a really really stupid tone read question for you.
For most of this game, WaveofShadow has been frustrated and mad, or at least seemed that way to me.
Since he started being scumread, his tone became very reasonable and withdrawn, he didn't feel frustrated at all (the notable exception being his argument with rsoultin). But that seems to be a strange difference for me.
One possible explanation is that he spent most of this time discussing with me (who apparently he has decided is extremely weak and sensitive, thus he can't show frustration or I will go cry to my mommy). But I'm not sure that I buy this, so I wonder if that makes him look more scummy. Did you not feel that towards the end of his filter yesterday he was becoming much more angry? Also, don't get me wrong, I still find Wave very suspicious and I'm actually quite torn between Wave/Yamato. Well, that was when he was fighting with rsoultin, and I don't really see how WaveofShadow would possibly not be angry there.
On April 28 2015 12:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 12:01 Trfel wrote:
WaveofShadow,
The main thing that I have a problem with in your play is that I don't really feel that you have been pushing your scumreads that hard. Do you mind explaining this for me?
Thanks! Look at the times I've been around and what I've talked about. Before I very recently townread you, look at all the posts I've made about you, and the times rsoul responded to me. That was all pushing you. I also pushed yamato yesterday. (And for the record not pushing a scumread 'that hard' isn't in itself a good scumread imo, but whatevs) Whether or not you or the rest of the thread 'feels' like I've been doing it doesn't really matter a great deal to me. I mean the only thing I suppose I can admit to is that my timing hasn't been amazing and the times I have been around while other people were, I sort of joined discussion where I could. This is probably the quote that stands out the most, I think. I basically make a comment that most would find insulting (even though I worded it really cautiously), and WaveofShadow responds completely reasonably and open. He isn't frustrated at all.
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On April 29 2015 04:16 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2015 04:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 29 2015 04:12 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, I have a really really stupid tone read question for you.
For most of this game, WaveofShadow has been frustrated and mad, or at least seemed that way to me.
Since he started being scumread, his tone became very reasonable and withdrawn, he didn't feel frustrated at all (the notable exception being his argument with rsoultin). But that seems to be a strange difference for me.
One possible explanation is that he spent most of this time discussing with me (who apparently he has decided is extremely weak and sensitive, thus he can't show frustration or I will go cry to my mommy). But I'm not sure that I buy this, so I wonder if that makes him look more scummy. Did you not feel that towards the end of his filter yesterday he was becoming much more angry? Also, don't get me wrong, I still find Wave very suspicious and I'm actually quite torn between Wave/Yamato. Well, that was when he was fighting with rsoultin, and I don't really see how WaveofShadow would possibly not be angry there. Show nested quote +On April 28 2015 12:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 28 2015 12:01 Trfel wrote:
WaveofShadow,
The main thing that I have a problem with in your play is that I don't really feel that you have been pushing your scumreads that hard. Do you mind explaining this for me?
Thanks! Look at the times I've been around and what I've talked about. Before I very recently townread you, look at all the posts I've made about you, and the times rsoul responded to me. That was all pushing you. I also pushed yamato yesterday. (And for the record not pushing a scumread 'that hard' isn't in itself a good scumread imo, but whatevs) Whether or not you or the rest of the thread 'feels' like I've been doing it doesn't really matter a great deal to me. I mean the only thing I suppose I can admit to is that my timing hasn't been amazing and the times I have been around while other people were, I sort of joined discussion where I could. This is probably the quote that stands out the most, I think. I basically make a comment that most would find insulting (even though I worded it really cautiously), and WaveofShadow responds completely reasonably and open. He isn't frustrated at all.
Hm, that's interesting. Good find.
I kinda want to let other people talk a bit though. I'm pretty confident in townreading both you and arsoul at this point. It kinda bugs me that no one else is around.
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I'm just not confident in my own analysis skills to figure this out.
But if it were up to me....
Breshke is the "safe" lynch, in that I don't feel he has done strong pushes or been driving the thread at any point. But while he hasn't been leading the thread, and he hasn't been inspiring, he's still been reasonable. I'm just not convinced that he is mafia, though, but I'm also not sure if more time would help.
WaveofShadow has been doing lots of things, and he has the second longest filter in the game. His tone generally feels natural (except for recently), and he's been making some good reads and comments. However, he hasn't been pushing his reads with that much force, seems slightly apathetic towards lynches, and has a strong townread on Breshke which I really don't understand at all. Not sure that more time will help much with him, either, because he is busy now.
Yamato77 has been jumping at a bunch of different scumreads, and focuses only on one thing at a time. He doesn't seem to follow up with these scumreads very much at all. Still, his analysis has largely been good, and his tone is very reasonable. Apparently his reads have only been following the thread sentiment, though I haven't fact-checked this yet (particularly early on in the game, it felt that when he was in the thread, he was driving the thread sentiment).
I feel like whatever decision I make will end up being the wrong one. But for now I still just feel a bit more confident in WaveofShadow being mafia than the others.
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I'm going to go play frisbee soon, I should be back before End of Day. Any thoughts, insights, whatever would be extremely appreciated, I just am really confused.
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I should add, it is strange that yamato77 hasn't been doing much lately. Especially when he came back this morning and didn't contribute much. Perhaps that's more of a reason to vote for him over WaveofShadow.
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I'll make a case just for you trfel.
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Bet this is a better case than anything Yamato can make.
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Votecount:
Yamato77 (2) - WaveofShadow, Breshke
WaveofShadow (5) - Palmar, trfel, Artanis[Xp}, Damdred, rsoultin
until the end of the next cycle.
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
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I've really said everything I can say about wave at this point
still cba to make a case
if someone wants to talk to me about it I will but meh
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On April 29 2015 06:27 rsoultin wrote:
you should?
should what?
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On April 28 2015 07:13 yamato77 wrote:
Would lynch wave.
Will explain more later.
Game is hard.
you never followed up on this
i'm also curious where you actually stand in this game
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but I really cba
I've talked about wave most of the game at this point
his recent posting addresses none of my concerns
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then talk about something other than wave?
his recent posting was blah -_-
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EPT
