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On April 27 2015 06:21 rsoultin wrote:
meh i feel like this was your first read on truffle just rehashed
what made you revert back to it, art, other than the obvious that he's a viable lynch alternative to yourself today?
It is that same read again, I came back to it due to opening his filter as the first of my three suspects. I came back to it because my other suspects look townier. I've also looked into his meta a bit more (Newbie VII) and it reinforced my read.
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On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks!
1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out
2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed.
3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning.
Those are my main reasons.
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Also it's hard focussing in the game when you're in a call helping someone with a poker tournament.
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Idk why you went off on me rsoultin I didn't even say anything about your reads just that I wish whoever is town would basically step up.
And no honestly I have no time to rehash what . Is clear in my filter its not ego at all. Nor am I stopping you from just focusing on Scum reads.
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On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long.
I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play.
As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question:On April 25 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? My track record, plus I have too many townreads.
I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea.
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Like I'm not trying to be a vast are but I'm ditching work to interact meh.
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On April 27 2015 06:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long. I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play. As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question: Show nested quote +On April 25 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? My track record, plus I have too many townreads. I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea.
Rsoul do you see the difference here in how Breshke has too many townreads and how Trfel does?
I don't think I vote Bresh or Artanis today if we lynch anyone.
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Yamato isn't getting lynched who then wave
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Trfel New reads lists type deal please.
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On April 27 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote:
Trfel New reads lists type deal please. Why... As of page 39:
Town
rsoultin
WaveofShadow
Town Lean
Damdred
Palmar
Maybe Scum (filter dives pending)
Artanis
Breshke
yamato77
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On April 27 2015 06:38 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long. I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play. As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question: Show nested quote +On April 25 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? My track record, plus I have too many townreads. I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea.
Regarding the read progression, I'm all fine and dandy with that but you never really address it in your posts what made you change. I feel that as town (in the past at least) you often state exactly what changed your mind when it does, and I've missed that this game.
Last time, you mentioned you were much more confident in Yamato being scum than me. Recently, you've mentioned that you don't think Yamato is scum anymore. Am I currently your top scumread or where are you at?
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Nvm, you didn't say Yamato was town. Just that you saw reasons for him being town.
Also ninja'd.
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Trfel, can you lay it to me why you think Wave is town? The more specific, the better.
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On April 27 2015 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 06:38 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long. I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play. As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question: On April 25 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? My track record, plus I have too many townreads. I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea. Regarding the read progression, I'm all fine and dandy with that but you never really address it in your posts what made you change. I feel that as town (in the past at least) you often state exactly what changed your mind when it does, and I've missed that this game. Last time, you mentioned you were much more confident in Yamato being scum than me. Recently, you've mentioned that you don't think Yamato is scum anymore. Am I currently your top scumread or where are you at? Hm, I did explain exactly what caused my read to change each time.
I don't have a top scumread right now. I removed my scumread on yamato77, but I never decided that he wasn't scum (does that make sense to you?). I found it surprising that right after I left, multiple people posted reasons to scumread yamato77 which I explained in my case on him (apparently, explained very poorly). That makes me slightly more confident in my scumread of him, but it's possible that he always plays in ways that I deem "scummy", because the way he is playing isn't strictly anti-town, its effectiveness depends on how it is done.
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On April 27 2015 06:47 Damdred wrote:
Yamato isn't getting lynched who then wave
Trfel.
On April 27 2015 06:54 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote:
Trfel New reads lists type deal please. Why... As of page 39: Townrsoultin WaveofShadow Town LeanDamdred Palmar Maybe Scum (filter dives pending)Artanis Breshke yamato77
This list of his is pretty weak, simply pinging everyone on the block already today.
I'm completely underwhelmed by everything he done so far in this game, and while his play has been pretty similar to Breshke, I haven't had that 'this couldn't come from scum' feeling or seen any of those posts.
If yamato isn'[t being lynched today I would lynch trfel.
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On April 27 2015 06:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Trfel, can you lay it to me why you think Wave is town? The more specific, the better. Check my filter?
I'm not going to dig up quotes at this time, but I felt like he's been playing naturally all game long. He's made several reads that I like, and he's been willing to discuss and move things along. His early argument with yamato77 felt particularly natural and towny. Perhaps he's just very good at being natural and relaxed as mafia, but there were some other specific things that I noticed (I don't remember them any more, they should be in my filter) that make me think that he is town anyway.
Plus, I'm noticing a lot of the same things that I noticed when I townread him (correctly) in Aperture 4 (willingness to discuss, some insightful reads, generally liking his comments).
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How was I willing to discuss anything in Aperture 4?
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On April 27 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 06:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:38 Trfel wrote:On April 27 2015 06:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 27 2015 06:23 Trfel wrote:
Artanis, can you please briefly summarize all of the reasons for your scumread on me? Examples aren't necessary.
Thanks! 1) Tonally very different from your towngame; much more certain in reads until I pinged it out 2) Could not follow your read progression on me. Pointed it out before which you never addressed. 3) Handing out a lot of townreads in general for pretty sketchy reasoning. Those are my main reasons. As for my tone itself, I can't address. For read certainty, the reads you comment on here being more certain are my townreads. I haven't really had a solid scumread all game long. I don't understand why you have problems with my read progression on you. Most of the posts that you cite were while I was in discussion with people, so we were looking at things and posting our thoughts. My thoughts on you weren't complete, I posted after basically every new (notable) thing that I found, or that someone else pointed out. My read on you changed as I got more information. As for you getting a townread from me easier than before, it's because I held you to standards that are too high last game, and I (hopefully) corrected that error. If you expect me to not rethink my reads when given new information... it's just a sign of lazy play. As for the reasoning behind my townreads, I guess you're right about this. I have most likely townread someone incorrectly, as per this response to your earlier question: On April 25 2015 08:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote:
Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline.
I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. What makes you say this? My track record, plus I have too many townreads. I guess this has generally felt like a low-content game, and I'm having trouble finding mafia, so I resorted to being more liberal with townreads, which probably wasn't the best idea. Regarding the read progression, I'm all fine and dandy with that but you never really address it in your posts what made you change. I feel that as town (in the past at least) you often state exactly what changed your mind when it does, and I've missed that this game. Last time, you mentioned you were much more confident in Yamato being scum than me. Recently, you've mentioned that you don't think Yamato is scum anymore. Am I currently your top scumread or where are you at? Hm, I did explain exactly what caused my read to change each time.
But I pointed out that you didn't. You gave two reasons to townread me, then proceeded to say I was null for things you had noticed and pointed out before.
+ Show Spoiler [Initial case] +On April 23 2015 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:26 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 07:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Can anyone concisely explain why they're suspicious of me other than not posting as much which I've already mentioned I would pregame and have done in the last game I've played as well (and flipped town in but is ongoing so shh)? your contributions don't impress me ^^ what's more valuable is you doing the work you'd said you'd do on truffle so i can get a better read on you i don't care if you're posting less. that's whatever. what i do expect, though, if you've decided to post less is higher quality posting The posting less is a consequence of spending less time on the game, which is what the real reason for posting less is for me. Creating quality posts costs time too, therefore it seems unreasonable to expect consistent high quality posts as it'd still require a lot of time. I feel the observations I've had have been decent so far, though. Reading Trfel, I don't understand his read progression on me at all. He had me as scummy leaning for my comment on waiting for Palmar/BH (which I feel is a dumb reason, but ok), then town for the way I replied to it, then said this about me: Show nested quote +Artanis is probably town, though I haven't carefully read the section of the thread in which he was posting. His questions are not only motivated at making reads, but also increasing the thread motivation. While he could do this as scum, I don't think it's terribly likely. In addition to the way that he responded to my pressure on him (previously described), I feel that Artanis is likely town. So at this point he feels I'm likely town. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:12 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:05 rsoultin wrote:
talk to me about artie and damdy -flops on- or about part of my list you disagree with
artie just seems...i dunnae, like people keep saying he's doing stuff but off the top of my head i can't really recall what aside from being charitable about my negative toneread on his entrance vote xP Yeah, in retrospect, Artanis hasn't been doing as much as I thought. What he has been doing, though, has been in the right direction. I'm not sure how much of this is due to his post count restriction, and how much of it is due to my annoying him yesterday.Damdred's tone looks really good for him here. And while some of the things he is doing seem strange, I don't see the mafia motivation, and he has seemingly tried to get more information into the thread. I don't think that he is scum. Weakening off his townread on me a little, but still maintains that what I'm doing is in the right direction. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:24 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:15 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
He scum read Trfel.
And actually as I recall that read is mostly based on meta and contrary to your read soniv kind of interested to see how that plays out.
Also don't quite get that yamato read Trfel. well, that's easy, wave lol >< i'm right the really question is whether or not it's reasonable for artie to be wrong about truffle and still town  (truffle is a super easy read imo) meh guess i should actually read artanis' filter :/ I think that Artanis's scumread of me actually looks good for him. He makes a good point, and that's the sort of read that I expect from him. Would he do that as mafia? Not sure, but I think that he knows that he won't mislynch me this game (or at least, he will need much more evidence first). I'm still leaning town on Artanis, though is absence is concerning me. Does he agree with the Blazinghand wagon? If not, he should be here and trying to stop it. At the time of his last post, there were four votes on Blazinghand. If anything looks suspicious, that is it. He doesn't care if Blazinghand is lynched or not. So he was leaning town on me, then finds another reason to lean town on me (scumreading him). Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:30 Trfel wrote:
I take it back, I just have terrible reading comprehension.
Artanis did comment on Blazinghand, first not convinced that he was scum due to his case, and then felt that it was an okay lynch due to the followup. Maybe I need to get my eyes checked.
It isn't a very large or amazing amount of information on Blazinghand, but I suppose I can see it from the perspective who sees an okay lynch, but also sees everyone ignoring what is (in his opinion) a better lynch. Aaand another reason to townread me. So that's two more reasons to townread me after leaning town on me earlier. Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 06:40 Trfel wrote:On April 23 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote:On April 23 2015 00:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On April 22 2015 21:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
That's your ironclad reasoning palmar? Calling me scum for shit I've already explained in thread and saying 'I don't know what yamato is doing?'
Gj
Artanis any thoughts on BH at all? Did you read what I wrote? I don't like his unwillingness to comment on other things. I don't like his case on Damdred particularly either. As has been said, it's a narrative. Seems like a good chance to flip scum. I need to do some more work on Trfel and flesh my read on him out but I have to leave for theater in a sec. Will get something done later tonight. Kinda annoyed no one's commented on him since I called him scummy but you though. mmm or maybe just benching the read for later? okay i guess i can give artie some space to see what comes of this It seemed to me that Artanis would be back later to finish his read on me. Artanis is sort of null, I suppose, given both his semi-weak stance on Blazinghand and not having the thread leadership that I thought he did at a glance.I expect scum to be among Artanis, yamato77, and maybe Breshke, even though I can't demonstrate that any of them are clear scum yet. What happened? I don't understand this progression at all.
On another note, I think I might also want to lynch Palmar for voting for Yamato when Wave was his top suspect, and he suspected Yamato for the way he treated Wave's case rather than going after Wave himself. He also never really re-evaled Wave. Palmar's tone is always pretty confident these days I find, so I don't want to clear him for that in retrospect. Also a case of other people being townier.
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On April 27 2015 07:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
How was I willing to discuss anything in Aperture 4? In your earlier posts, before the entire thread (for some reason) decided that you were mafia.
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