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On April 26 2015 07:00 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 06:57 Breshke wrote:
I dont have much time ill have to leave soon and be gone for like an hour after deadline but rso your points seems to explain eachother.
I dont have any scunreads just a bunch of townreads then palamar drops a good casr on yama who is.not ome of my townreads so i dont see whats wrong with sheeping this. (what reasons do you even scumread yama for like couldnt you say your reasons are other peoples reasons aswell)
then to find the last scum I PoE and damdred and srt hadnt impressed me today when normally i feel like they are high impact players.
lol yes i'm aware all you have is a bunch of townreads ^^ and yes i've actually brought up different points than some of the other players what changed your opinion on me? which specific posts?
You disliking the bh case for same reasons as me also there was posts after i went to sleep the phase we lynched BH (so like 6 or so hours leading up to the lynch) that i liked but i csnt go get them cos im on phone.
What's these different points i see a post saying you vote him for fun then one with some reasoning is there any others.
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On April 26 2015 07:08 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 07:03 Breshke wrote:On April 26 2015 07:00 rsoultin wrote:On April 26 2015 06:57 Breshke wrote:
I dont have much time ill have to leave soon and be gone for like an hour after deadline but rso your points seems to explain eachother.
I dont have any scunreads just a bunch of townreads then palamar drops a good casr on yama who is.not ome of my townreads so i dont see whats wrong with sheeping this. (what reasons do you even scumread yama for like couldnt you say your reasons are other peoples reasons aswell)
then to find the last scum I PoE and damdred and srt hadnt impressed me today when normally i feel like they are high impact players.
lol yes i'm aware all you have is a bunch of townreads ^^ and yes i've actually brought up different points than some of the other players what changed your opinion on me? which specific posts? You disliking the bh case for same reasons as me also there was posts after i went to sleep the phase we lynched BH (so like 6 or so hours leading up to the lynch) that i liked but i csnt go get them cos im on phone. What's these different points i see a post saying you vote him for fun then one with some reasoning is there any others. lol not going there unless you think yamato is town, bresh xP that post with reasoning is sufficient if you want different points anyway, and i've more than demonstrated original thoughts throughout the game my concern is your singular sheeped not-actual scumread ^^ not how much of my read on yamato is original well even if i die in the night phase assuming we lynch today you should probably show where that change of heart came from ^^ not that it'll be easy to verify with how little you've posted this day phase
no im trying to demonstrate to you that your reasons probably arnt all that different from the OG shit palamar brought up so you scumreading me for sheeping him and not having my own read is misplaced.
Like how hard was it to just sumarize your original reasons in that post instead of waffeling about stuff its really frustrsting. I dont even understand the first sentence whats it even reffering to
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Im gonna stop derailing u and damdred cos yourshit seems productive and I cant do shit all on phone. Be round later unlrss we lynch
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I condone letting it go.for another 24 hours btw prpbs shouldnt lynch
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On April 26 2015 07:17 rsoultin wrote:? OG shit? like why are you sheeping him if you don't think his reasons are any good? i can scumread you for not having any scumreads ^^ i'm pretty sure, regardless. in fact if i wanted to i could scumread you for having a dick, cause frankly, i don't have to scumread you for good reasons at all. isn't it better that i actually have one, though? 
Soz ment priginal shit and by shit i mean stuff so not literal shit.
This post makes no sense to me whatsoever idk if its cos its the morning.
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##Unvote
To extend the day
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On April 26 2015 07:21 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 07:17 rsoultin wrote:? OG shit? like why are you sheeping him if you don't think his reasons are any good? i can scumread you for not having any scumreads ^^ i'm pretty sure, regardless. in fact if i wanted to i could scumread you for having a dick, cause frankly, i don't have to scumread you for good reasons at all. isn't it better that i actually have one, though? Soz ment priginal shit and by shit i mean stuff so not literal shit. This post makes no sense to me whatsoever idk if its cos its the morning.
EBWOP ORIGINAL nor prignal
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On April 26 2015 07:27 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 05:50 rsoultin wrote:yo, wave, that bragging bit you were saying was unlikely to come from a scum yama? xP he only started talking about it after i followed up on truffle's point that yamato's view of bh was contradictory (lazy as fuck -> he'll put forth the effort if given the chance), so...don't think that argument in favor of yamato's play holds water i don't think his push on you early on was terrible? the one against artanis was pretty blah though -_- and having no alternative after pushing hard at you and artanis and even saying he didn't like damdy, then disappearing for 40 minutes before the lynch after saying we should give bh more time, just looks bad, frankly On April 24 2015 10:29 yamato77 wrote:On April 24 2015 10:24 rsoultin wrote:
strategy talk aside i'm actually fine with how you handled the bh lynch, though...looks pretty natural at a second look
mmmmrrrrt i was supposed to be doing schoolwork >< you distractions xP while you're doing that, I'll be formulating updated reads also this was almost 48 hours ago lol >< and no, no new reads that is mostly why i am scumreading yamato yes...do i need more reasons that that, really?
No lol this is my point exactly. This is good enough to scumread yama.
But if you think this is original and not just a sheep pf palmars thing your kidding yourself.
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I rly have to go now. bye
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On April 26 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 06:23 Damdred wrote:
I think that you are really wrong on breshke though.
If you think Yamato is scum, do you really see scum breshke going for the bus in this situation? okay i'm gonna be honest here i've got a couple wild theories that really cannot be voiced >< however i do think it's actually quite likely with yamato getting this much heat and apparently deciding to roll over and die that if he is scum - and i believe he is - his scummate would buss him lol >< in breshke's case, i know this sounds a little crazy paranoid, but i do not like how much he interacted with wave, yamato and myself without coming to a conclusion on yamato's alignment, barely mentioning him, and then arbitrarily linking him to me. especially if yamato is scum i don't like the sudden (mostly unexplained) reversal in read on me i don't like him suddenly wanting to lynch yamato for other people's reasons i don't like his general lack of scumreads or suspicions i could be completely wrong and i'm 100% aware of that lol >< i'm wrong a lot. however, the answer is yes, i could definitely see scum!breshke who is generally townread bussing scum!yamato who is generally scumread and rolling over there's also this to consider...we're currently at 6v2...presuming yamato is scum at best we start day 3 at 5v1 or 4v1 depending on whether or not a shot was withheld...which allows us one more mislynch xP breshke is sitting cozy enough to pull off two mislynches, i think, if he's scum here i mean there's who else? you art truffle maaaaybe palmar yeah i think it's quite possible
So im going to try explain what i was saying before.
First of all my flip on you rso.
On April 23 2015 08:13 rsoultin wrote:meh >< i kinda hate this cause people asking me about tone/meta reads is not something i'm good at explaining. i kept yelling at people to lynch rayn in guardians but my explanation wasn't good enough for anyone xP naturally he was scum nnnnnn so when i think of town truffle i think of a truffle who is not afraid of how he looks - silly votes on artie and unvoting to become the hammer vote on bh when i think of town truffle, i think of a truffle whose reads tend to change a lot until he starts tunneling - the read progressions on you and yamato that you both found "odd"...example of tunneling would be tere >< when i think of town truffle, i think of a sarcastic twit lol >< - this is where i started townreading him: Show nested quote +On April 22 2015 05:48 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:46 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:41 Trfel wrote:On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah jsut fucking do it already.
Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.
Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain.
ANY GAME.
when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things I'll talk to you about the truffle post if you want! I thought that it was a really well-constructed post. Especially the part about why WaveofShadow is town, lol >< the part about he'd know if he was looking at his scum QT and he definitely would check his scum QT and his scum partner definitely wouldn't be inactive? xP oh yes, it was amazing, truffle -golf claps- Oh, why thank you! I always knew I was amazing, but now I know why! In all seriousness, what do you make of Blazinghand so far? when i think of a town truffle, i think of a devil's advocate, much like breshke - there are several instances where he argued the opposite point of view as a possibility, if not necessarily what he himself believed ^ that is what makes up my read on a town truffle, and i don't know how to make that helpful to the rest of the thread. i've been very successful with it
This is one of the posts I really liked because people were scumming trfel for like flip flopping on shit or whatever but I don't see this as scummy and it felt like you were kind of going against thread sentiment at the time to defend trfel. Add to this the fact that wave made me realise that we had the same reaction to the BH wagon thing I started to feel good about you aswell. Also i thought that you getting like annoyed and angry at me to the scale you did was similar to the last game we played together but when i went back and looked it wasn't anywhere to the same degree. This made me think you were town as the emotion was probably not faked but im just now realising that you had irl stuff pissing you off as well so its not really allighnment indicitive cos you mightve just been angry at that not at the game as much idk if that makes sense.
Then me wanting to lynch yamato. So if you followed my reads at EoD if you add you to the people i thought was town I really only had palmar and yamato left so I already obviously thought he might be scum. Then when Palmar makes a case that i really like it makes me feel better about palmar and im happy to sheep that case because it has good points and sheeping isnt always a bad thing.
This then elads into my lack of scumreads because I was townreading everyone except two people then sheeped one of those people to vote the other one. So I thought to my self obviously im wrong on some of my townreads. So i reconsidered and at the time damdred and art hadn't done anything for a while which in my experience is very unlike them. So I didn't feel good about them anymore.
Now in recent pages I really like damdred. Posts like this
On April 26 2015 07:45 Damdred wrote:I have read his filter twice, his explanation of why we should vote pressure people I like that and his exchange over that. His reaction to who people target is really good I thought at points, his play today has been abysmal though is the only thing that is bad. But I also remember in mini mafia 2 his activity day 2 which was on a weekend/Friday just totally flatlined. really like this post to, it shows a form of thought and insight I wouldn't expect from scum yamato even if its a bit basic Show nested quote +On April 23 2015 07:28 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like Artanis' post where he comments on the case offhandedly and then votes trfel
but I also don't like trfel calling me mafia for shit reasons and then sheeping the BH lynch
Where he is actually going through and thinking about yamatos alignment and finding stuff he does like seems really townie as he is actually considering yamatos alignment instead of just hopping on the wagon even though he said he is just happy to just follow rsoultin christ
I need to probably reread art at some stage.
Also if you think im misunderstanding your reasons for thinking I am scum (which seems to happen often) can you try explain to me because i still think you are probably town so need you to work with me.
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On April 26 2015 11:51 rsoultin wrote:
mrt kinda tired :/ honestly...still looking up stuff for school and basically just gave up cause bleh -_-
anyway
it's mostly just the lack of scumreads :/ i know that it's hard for you to generate scumreads as scum lol >< and the complete lack of presence this day phase up to this point. i also feel like a lot of your interaction with people was kind of periphery this game...the mediating in the wave/yamato thing for instance
like there are some other minor things here and there but those two issues are my main issues with you. like i don't understand if you have no scumreads why you wouldn't be in here banging down doors trying to find a good lynch. does that make sense? (yes i'm aware that there's a time difference, but that doesn't explain the entirety of your contributions yesterday consisting of asking palmar why he was townreading you lol ><)
Lol yesterday was ANZAC day (australian thing idk if you know what it is) I was up at 4 am for a dawn service thing then was rekt because of that for the rest of the day so I really cbf'd especially considering the thread was kind of dead which is bad but ehh.
Idk i was fishing for something from palmar he wasn't biting then he gave a good case by himself and I sheeped it so it does feel like I have a scumread at least to me even though it isn't my own thought.
Also idk how much i mediated between yamato and wave since if i remember it was basically me just calling wave town or a least the reasons you guys were scum reading him wrong.
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On April 26 2015 12:06 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2015 11:58 Breshke wrote:On April 26 2015 11:51 rsoultin wrote:
mrt kinda tired :/ honestly...still looking up stuff for school and basically just gave up cause bleh -_-
anyway
it's mostly just the lack of scumreads :/ i know that it's hard for you to generate scumreads as scum lol >< and the complete lack of presence this day phase up to this point. i also feel like a lot of your interaction with people was kind of periphery this game...the mediating in the wave/yamato thing for instance
like there are some other minor things here and there but those two issues are my main issues with you. like i don't understand if you have no scumreads why you wouldn't be in here banging down doors trying to find a good lynch. does that make sense? (yes i'm aware that there's a time difference, but that doesn't explain the entirety of your contributions yesterday consisting of asking palmar why he was townreading you lol ><) Lol yesterday was ANZAC day (australian thing idk if you know what it is) I was up at 4 am for a dawn service thing then was rekt because of that for the rest of the day so I really cbf'd especially considering the thread was kind of dead which is bad but ehh. Idk i was fishing for something from palmar he wasn't biting then he gave a good case by himself and I sheeped it so it does feel like I have a scumread at least to me even though it isn't my own thought. Also idk how much i mediated between yamato and wave since if i remember it was basically me just calling wave town or a least the reasons you guys were scum reading him wrong. lol >< dude, when will people figure out the difference between pressure and scumreading? eh, doesn't matter, that's neither here nor there, and it was pretty relevant trying to get him to expound on his townread on artanis cause frankly i've never quite understood why so many of you had him high on your town lists xP okay, sure, so i guess you're at yamato and artanis now, is that right?
Yaaah but that feels iffy because i knew i read him town early (art) but am kinda doing stuff right now so cant properly filter dive until later tonight.
Why do you think palmar is townier than damdred/trfel
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Reading arts filter I really don't get the feeling he is scum. Nothing scummy really stands out to me
On April 26 2015 16:04 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2015 19:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##Unvote
Palmar reacted pretty much exactly how I'd expect Town!Palmar to reply. Uncompromising and in your face whilst still doing stuff.
Need to think about Yamato. ... Artanis' read change apparently happens over just a single page, basically because Palmar posts his case on me. I doubt that town Artanis flips his strong townread of me and scumread of Palmar just because Palmar posts that case. zzz More likely, it seems like Artanis saw that people were sheeping Palmar and decided to lynch down the path of least resistance, given that I haven't been playing and Palmar has played... on occasion.His read of Damdred seems mostly based on some meta-assumption of Damdred's play which I can't comment on much. He does seem to back off his scumreads quite easily when pressured. At this moment I'm unsure what his reads are, as he sheepishly backing off as Damdred pushed back, and his read of me was sort of a matter-of-fact type of thing rather than a strong belief that I was actually mafia. I would certainly lynch Artanis today, given his rather weak reads. I've commented many times on how his early play was scummy and how his comments on the BH lynch were bad, and reading his filter really doesn't change my perception of his play much, either. He's continued to excuse his lack of motivation to play this game and hasn't really played much better.
I have a problem with the bolded because m fairly sure at the time the only person who had actually sheeped palmar was myself so he would have made that decision fairly early also do you even think im town? Because if you are null or scum on me it makes even less sense that you think this.
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On April 26 2015 18:33 yamato77 wrote:
So why do you think Artanis just drops his strongest read within just a page of the game and votes someone he had previously had a strong meta-townread on?
All post-hoc justification aside, it looks like an unnatural switch, even given the case. You can't also look at it so small-mindedly in that your vote was the only one, the case was gaining traction given the multiple people who commented on it in some capacity.
My read on you shouldn't really even matter. I think you're a rather forgettable player that many people seem to townread. That's about the extent of it without delving deeper.
When did he vote you? All i see is him thinking that palmars case and how he reacted to it is how town palmar would react so that then made him want to "think" about your alignment.
No I still think that when I backed palmar only damdred was really looking at his cae in a good light everyone else was disliking it because they thought it was an association read with you.
Seem like they are some classic scummy traits you attribute to me so maybe you should delve deeper.
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Hi soz i got really unexpectedly busy today
First, trfel don't be demotivated both of us are still new and i wish I was half as good as you were. sometimes you jsut have off games and it normally isn't as bad as you think it is.
Second I still think yamato is mafia.
There are a few things about his play that don't make sense to me from a town perspective. First of all his not wanting to lynch BH and wanting to extend the day. This is strange because he knew he would be busy on the weekends and still not having someone to push instead of BH I don't understand how he thought he would have time to evaluate the game and find a misslynch when he clearly didn't have much time to play.
Secondly his rant about how IML it is important to pressure people with the vote. The past couple cycles no one has really been pressured except yamato who was not present of any of these cycles until the most recent one. yamato had time to do some analysis which didn't end up with him voting anyone or really pressuring anyone which he earlier said was vital for town to do. Basically I just see it as him saying stuff but not backing it up with actual actions.
I also don't understand his artanis posts because he never actually voted for yamato which yamato seems to think happend.
##Vote Yamato
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Actually the thing about extending the phase before the BH lynch might not be that bad because i forget you guys are like one day behind me so it wasn't Friday yet or w/e the rest is still applicable.
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Im not really getting anywhere rereading.
I don't really see what about yaamto people suddenly liked after he posted for a bit. I find most of his stuff on art to be just wrong. I can't find where art flips on yamato so im just going to assume it didn't ever happen.
I like trfel more than before and probably more than rsoultin now. his recent posts have just felt really honest and its something I feel like I do as town when i feel like stuff isnt going the wrong way you just say what you feel and you don't even though you realize it comes off in a badish way. Referring to this part here specifically
By "weakest townreads", I arrive at a lynch pool of yamato77, Breshke, and Palmar. Though I know that's a horrid way to play.
Don't really get why palmar thinks yamato is less likely mafia than WoS now. any more explanation on that would be great.
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On April 27 2015 19:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 08:38 Trfel wrote:
bloody nose atm 1 hand
spoiler explains my vote
guardians, breshke looked town 4 content + reads not tone
ml due 2 poe list Perhaps it was different for you, but my main reason that I considered Breshke being town that game was his tone. I even detailed it out in a post where I gave reasons to TR everyone in the PoE pool. I'd dig it up but I can't ctrl-F in my LXX filter since it exceeds 50 pages  Show nested quote +On April 27 2015 14:00 Trfel wrote:Currently, the only real reason that I'm suspicious of Artanis is for his Damdred read. He did very well in Guardians by reading Damdred as town for his long, detailed analysis posts. However, Damdred saw that read, so it isn't valid any more, and Artanis should know that. Here is a detailed vote count analysis post that Damdred made as mafia. Also, here is a town Damdred filter where he does not make any long posts at all. By this point, Artanis ought to know that he can't read Damdred like this any more. Does it make him scum? I'm not sure. I need to filter dive him tomorrow, but I think he's most likely town. I was not involved in either of the games you linked at all, so I'm not sure how you expect me to know that. It was alsao a passerby comment, not the only thing I intend to read Damdred on. I still do think he's likely town. Breshke, Arsoul mentioned that you haven't really made any contributions this game. What do you think of that? Also, the reason for TRing Yamato is definitely in my filter. I mentioned that I feel the way he picks between reasons on reading me and discards some as poor is likely to come from a town Yamato. It felt like he was actually considering my alignment.
Did you ever flip your read on him? From some of his recent postings he seems to think you did and voted him im not sure if ive completely missed this somehow or what?
She is probably right if not a bit harsh. I felt like I contributed well to D1 and felt like pushing the BH lynch was the right way to go at the time like after damdred kind of dropped it I feel like I picked it up again but he was town so that isn't really a contribution. I have fallen off D2 I won't deny that but i'm trying and I think yamato is most likely scum. I can see how it would seem that I have never really pushed my own scumreads because looking back I don't think I have. The only original thing that i remember pushing is rsoul but my complete flip on her kind of makes that negligible.
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On April 26 2015 03:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Meta is great though. Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things.
Actually a problem I see in his filter is that he's droning on about the same things over and over again. First WoS, then the thing with me on waiting for Palmar/BH to contribute, and then on BH. He doesn't really re-evaluate anything nor does he share many thoughts on other things than whatever he's chasing at the time.
Could prob lynch/10.
I assume you are talking about this. I see how I read it wrong I thought you ment the meta of reading his scum was incorrectly used so you thought he was town. Last line probs should have cleared that up ehh.
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I really could not see myself getting behind a WoS lnch I remember feeling so strongly he was town.
Im going to go to bed now/soonish so i can hopefully be up for a couple hours before deadline.
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