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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 24 2015 01:37 GMT
#681
yamato77
  • Yamato77 tends to focus on things that don't matter very much
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    On April 21 2015 11:45 yamato77 wrote:
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    On April 21 2015 11:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
    On April 21 2015 11:30 yamato77 wrote:
    When have I done something like this as mafia, Wave?

    Like....why did you even feel the need to bring this up?

    Because it's a statement with no basis.

    "I could see Yamato doing this as either alignment" is tantamount to saying "I could see Yamato doing this as mafia."

    Why do you think that's the case, precisely, if you aren't using meta? Why mention me by name at all if you're just going to make some sort of puffball generalized statement?

    Very strange, Wave.
    Right at the start of the game, yamato77 is picking on something that isn't relevant. WaveofShadow gave a null read on yamato77, and yamato77 spent several posts questioning it and only later showed any relation to WaveofShadow's alignment (calling it strange). The most suspicious thing is that yamato77 spent time asking an obvious question instead of cutting straight to the point, that WaveofShadow gave a null read (which still isn't important, because WaveofShadow was providing reads on the three players who voted for him, and one of them happened to be null).
    On April 21 2015 12:46 yamato77 wrote:
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    On April 21 2015 12:45 Breshke wrote:
    On April 21 2015 12:38 rsoultin wrote:
    lol you just quoted the reason i'm questioning wave, breshke, and yet you ask?

    the points you brought up in your post are the same ones that i don't care about...also in what you just quoted

    kinda obvious there, bresh


    Idk somethings lost on me here but i dont see how you cant care about the context of his reads with him thinking it was IML but then wanting to know why the yamato and artanis read was different.

    Anyway I don't really care about this stuff because i don't think it says that much about waves alignment.

    so you don't have a read on him, but you're intervening on his behalf.

    mmmmmmmk.
    Yamato77 comments on Breshke defending a null read. But other than perhaps implied suspicion, there are no alignment indicative conclusions from this post.
    On April 22 2015 06:13 yamato77 wrote:
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    On April 22 2015 06:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
    On April 22 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
    That doesn't force anything. They'll participate if they feel like it this game.

    Well, they can continue to do nothing, and then we can lynch them then bitch about them not playing to their win condition. The point is, we can give them time due to there not being a hard deadline, so there's no excuses for them not to participate.

    artanis, is this seriously your plan this game?
    Then there's the push on Artanis for his statement about waiting on Palmar and Blazinghand to start playing before continuing. I fully realize that I questioned this first. I feel that yamato77 was more hostile to Artanis's statements and kept up the questioning longer than he should have, and wasn't interested in actually drawing a correct conclusion about Artanis's alignment (while I pressured Artanis primarily for the reaction and backed off when I got it). Still, this is something I probably shouldn't have picked on this. It was a mistake, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't scummy for yamato77 to do this.
    On April 22 2015 06:26 yamato77 wrote:
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    On April 22 2015 06:23 rsoultin wrote:
    okay, truffle

    so i'm scum artanis

    my scum partner may or may not be one of bh or palmar, but can't be both

    so i say let's wait until they do something rather than trying to push a hasty vote through? xP bh said he'd do something later if we give him some room...palmar's a coinflip...most day phases last 48 hours anyway and unless you've got someone you're super sure is scum i see no problem with pushing this out to a standard 48...

    not saying it makes him town, but i don't see how it makes him scum. essentially you're keying in on something nai. again

    To me, it sounded like Artanis is ONLY going to focus on them today, fuck all else, we lynch them if they don't contribute.

    Seems a bit arbitrary to pick those two exact players who are known to be useless as both alignments and narrow the lynch to them ONLY.
    This is shown by the way that he continued this line of questioning. Here, he isn't trying to learn anything about Artanis's alignment, he is only justifying his stance. This isn't gaining him anything except for more arguing.
    On April 22 2015 06:33 yamato77 wrote:
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    On April 22 2015 05:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
    Plus that gives me an excuse to play GTA V once it's installed.

    like, this is his follow-up post to his suggestion

    joking or not, dude obviously isn't too keen on contributing to town today
    He keeps talking about how scummy this is, culminating in a vote on Artanis, for this one post. Which isn't relevant to Artanis's alignment at all, especially after Artanis clearly demonstrated that he was going to keep following and playing the game, which yamato77 ignored.
    On April 22 2015 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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    On April 22 2015 06:39 yamato77 wrote:
    On April 22 2015 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
    On April 22 2015 06:32 yamato77 wrote:
    On April 22 2015 06:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
    Yes look at all the waiting I'm doing.

    you're responding to PRESSURE

    you aren't the one doing the pressing

    big difference

    I'm responding to idiots being idiots and it's unfortunate as I could have spent that time playing GTA5.

    Actually, I couldn't because it's not installed yet, but that's semantics.

    so you freely admit you don't actually care to play the game beyond wasting time waiting for Palmar/BH?

    alright

    ##unvote
    ##Vote: Artanis

    I'd be happy to spend that time doing analysis, but I'm not exactly in the mood for that anymore after the idiocy that went down, so yeah, I'm just gonna go and chill for today.
    Posts like this, for example, clearly show that Artanis's statement doesn't mean that he is going to stop playing the game.

    On April 23 2015 07:36 yamato77 wrote:
    I mean, look at the null post

    He says I was "focusing on irrelevant things" (blatantly not true?)

    He didn't like the "direction" I sent the thread in. Nebulous statement.

    Hm.
    Here's yamato77's read on me. Lately, I've been having comments about being biased towards other people's reads on me, so I'm not going to consider this too much. While I don't think that this is a good read, and I don't think that it shows clear thought process, he is taking a stance and investigating it.

  • Yamato77's isn't focused in his pushes
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    Yamato77 first pushes suspicion towards WaveofShadow for explaining a null read on himself early in the game. However, since then, he's barely commented to WaveofShadow at all, and has never expressed things about his alighment. Yamato77 has shared a ton of suspicions of WaveofShadow, and next to nothing to alleviate these suspicions, but never actually pushes WaveofShadow for the entire game.

    Yamato77 started to scumread Artanis for his statement on Palmar and Blazinghand, and even voted for him.
    On April 22 2015 06:43 yamato77 wrote:
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    On April 22 2015 06:38 rsoultin wrote:
    On April 22 2015 06:37 yamato77 wrote:
    On April 22 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote:
    On April 22 2015 06:31 yamato77 wrote:
    like, the advantage of IML to me is that it's REALLY easy to put pressure on people by just piling a few votes on and making that player respond to them

    alignments are generally more obvious as someone is going to get lynched

    in a normal game, you really only get the chance to do this to like, one or two people per day

    but in IML you can do it to literally every person

    sure, we have all the time in the world, but it's stupid to waste it waiting on known trolls like BH/Palmar to play the game


    then who do you want to lynch in the next 2.5 hours, yama?

    the point is the threat of the lynch

    you use it actively as a tool to force people to play the game

    you don't use it passively and hope they play the game


    then do it? no one is stopping you

    do you think he's town, or something?

    Why do you wish to play foil?
    He seems to be extremely confident in this read.
    On April 23 2015 07:28 yamato77 wrote:
    I don't like Artanis' post where he comments on the case offhandedly and then votes trfel

    but I also don't like trfel calling me mafia for shit reasons and then sheeping the BH lynch
    And here's another reason to scumread Artanis.
    On April 23 2015 07:39 yamato77 wrote:
    Artanis!

    Seems like you and I have the same problem with trfel, haha.
    And then a reason to townread Artanis.
    On April 23 2015 07:50 yamato77 wrote:
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    On April 23 2015 07:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
    On April 23 2015 07:45 yamato77 wrote:
    On April 23 2015 07:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
    BH deserves to be lynched for not posting the British Empire Mafia post-game analysis anyway.

    So you consent to the BH lynch, Artanis?

    or...?

    I don't oppose it. I honestly have no idea what he'll flip but a bunch of people look townier and I don't think I'll ever be confident in reading him as town so him going today is fine.

    -pukes on keyboard-
    And then this. His vote is still on Artanis.
    On April 23 2015 08:12 yamato77 wrote:
    I'll freely admit I don't have a better lynch at this second but it's not really important to, at this point
    But lynching Artanis isn't better than lynching Blazinghand, who he's been protesting the lynch of. And he isn't pushing Artanis at all. I don't understand this. Even if his vote on Artanis is just a pressure vote, he doesn't seem interested in actually applying pressure.

    On April 23 2015 07:30 yamato77 wrote:
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    On April 23 2015 07:28 rsoultin wrote:
    On April 23 2015 07:27 yamato77 wrote:
    alright, so the BH case in and of itself isn't really that bad

    honestly, the BH that does this whole martyring thing has been town in the past

    I've also seen him be scum and use delay tactics, but is this really a delay tactic?

    I'm unsure about this lynch, bros


    what's the better lynch?

    we're getting there

    I'm really still in the process of catching up all the way

    insight into trfel, maybe? you seem to think he's town but I don't really see it
    Then there's yamato77's push on me. Here he doesn't see how I can be townread. And he doesn't revisit this read.

    Finally, there's his defense of Blazinghand. The read itself I will with later. But he isn't confident in the lynch and asks for more time. However, he doesn't seem terribly interested in this at all. He makes a total of four posts on Blazinghand, one of which was an addition saying that he had no better lynch suggestions. With 39 minutes to End of Day, he left, without saying that he was leaving. He doesn't seem interested at keeping Blazinghand alive at all.

  • Yamato77 showed an inconsistent view on how to deal with Blazinghand
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    On April 22 2015 06:18 yamato77 wrote:
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    On April 22 2015 06:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
    On April 22 2015 06:13 yamato77 wrote:
    On April 22 2015 06:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
    On April 22 2015 06:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
    That doesn't force anything. They'll participate if they feel like it this game.

    Well, they can continue to do nothing, and then we can lynch them then bitch about them not playing to their win condition. The point is, we can give them time due to there not being a hard deadline, so there's no excuses for them not to participate.

    artanis, is this seriously your plan this game?

    Is there any point to this question?

    I mean, you're not going to look for a lynch among the active players, you're just going to default to sitting on Palmar/BH in the hopes of forcing them to play when they are both capable of astounding uselessness AS TOWN?
    On April 22 2015 06:35 yamato77 wrote:
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    On April 22 2015 06:32 Damdred wrote:
    Hey guys my name is bh, I'm moving so I won't be doing much don't lynch me give me time.-scum bh

    HEY GUYS I HAVE A NEW JOB WONT DO ANYTHING FOR AWHILE SO DONT LYNCH ME-BH this game

    this is equally asinine

    why do you want to focus on BH over commenting seriously on ANY other player in the game?

    Do you honestly believe BH incapable of being a lazy fuck as town? I don't.
    Twice, to separate people, yamato77 claimed that Blazinghand can be extremely useless as town, and that there is no point in waiting for him.

    Then, Blazinghand posted his case on Damdred. This case is best described as a narrative (as rsoultin describes it), meaning that the case is simply a recounting of all of the things that Damdred has done in the game, interpreted with a mafia mindset. There is no explanation of why Damdred couldn't be town and doing these same things, and no reason why the mafia mindset is more likely.
    On April 23 2015 07:27 yamato77 wrote:
    alright, so the BH case in and of itself isn't really that bad

    honestly, the BH that does this whole martyring thing has been town in the past

    I've also seen him be scum and use delay tactics, but is this really a delay tactic?

    I'm unsure about this lynch, bros
    Yamato says that it isn't that bad of a case. No explanation why. He says that Blazinghand has martyred in the past as town, but Blazinghand is willing to do anything to win (and even I know that he martyrs as mafia, despite only playing with him once before).
    On April 23 2015 08:10 yamato77 wrote:
    looking back at one memorable BH-mislynch, the guy got REALLY active once it was apparent he was going to be lynched.

    is it really imperative that we lynch him without giving him a proper chance?

    I mean, if he's scum he's going to continue to delay and be useless and probably just tunnel damdred (a la single-focus mindset in aperture). As town, maybe he becomes more useful?
    I don't understand what changed. Yamato77 basically admits that Blazinghand's play in this game, activity aside, was scummy, and he says that Blazinghand hasn't been given a proper chance. But if this isn't a delay tactic, then hasn't he already been given a proper chance?

    I also notice the way yamato77's tone changed after the lynch. Suddenly, he was extremely confident in the lynch being terrible, and everyone on it throwing the game. But he didn't actually say that much about the Blazinghand lynch before the deadline, and didn't seem to care that much about whether or not Blazinghand was lynched. The tone change after the lynch is a good sign that yamato77 is trying to pick up the town credit for not mislynching here.

    It's even more telling that yamato77 provides more evidence after the deadline. He's had a whole day to recover emotionally, so any anger he felt shouldn't be here any more. And he need not be defending himself from these minor pressures, especially since I'm the only one who actively seems suspicious of him (and he's scumreading me, and I haven't described my reasons for my scumread of him by the time he was defending his stance on Blazinghand). This doesn't strike me as town play.
This leads me to think that yamato77 is scum. However, there are a few things that give me pause. First, his tone is extremely relaxed and comfortable, which can be difficult for mafia. Second, people often disagree about what is scummy and towny, and what is important and what isn't. And yamato77 is certainly a more experienced and better player than me.

I read the first several pages of yamato77's play in Newbie Student Mafia VI. I'm biased, but in this game, I could immediately feel yamato77 being useful and directing town, and commenting on the most important things in the thread. While tonally it felt similar to this game, I felt that yamato77 was far more effective in Student Mafia VI than in this game. Though I'm not very good at meta reads, and I don't have much experience playing with yamato77.

Any thoughts are appreciated.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 24 2015 01:53 GMT
#682
Now that I think about it some more, were he mafia, he probably would have suggested Artanis or I as an actual alternative to the Blazinghand lynch, or just stayed quiet. Protesting the Blazinghand lynch and not suggesting an alternative isn't what I would do as mafia.

I just don't know about him, every time I convince myself that he is scum, something else comes up that suggests that I'm wrong. I'm almost thinking that he is guaranteed town because I'm scumreading him, but ugh...
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 24 2015 02:06 GMT
#683
I actually think Yamato is town...

WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 24 2015 02:32 GMT
#684
SO I think for the second or third time I'm asking you this game, Trfel, what was the point of that entire post?
##vote: Trfel
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 24 2015 02:42 GMT
#685
I like yamato a lot more after his recent posting though, with a small caveat....
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 24 2015 02:49 GMT
#686
I kinda think its trfel and art
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 24 2015 04:06 GMT
#687
-_- just really not impressed with you damdy

are you still sick or something? cause dude...you kinda suck this game and i'm not saying it to be mean...having a town damdy in my court is something i'm usually thankful for, and i will lynch you if you keep playing like this, because i simply do not believe you are this bad

flat-out do not believe it

explain your reads -_- stop playing like palmar. i accept it from palmar cause there's no point trying to work things out of him (i do it anyway lol >< futility is apparently something i haven't learned yet) when he's not interested, but you i don't accept it from you
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 24 2015 04:38 GMT
#688
I'm not sure what else you want me to explain,

Art really isn't helping town

Trfel at this point is being pretty wordy while showing the thread that her suspicions while leaving doubt in there for a backtack for example

Though I'm not very good at meta reads, and I don't have much experience playing with yamato77.


For someone who was sure of this read enough o dig up old games, much doubt is put into it and distance is put inbetween in case yamato flips town.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 24 2015 04:55 GMT
#689
Bonus points for Damdred.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 24 2015 04:58 GMT
#690
On April 24 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure what else you want me to explain,

Art really isn't helping town

Trfel at this point is being pretty wordy while showing the thread that her suspicions while leaving doubt in there for a backtack for example

Show nested quote +
Though I'm not very good at meta reads, and I don't have much experience playing with yamato77.


For someone who was sure of this read enough o dig up old games, much doubt is put into it and distance is put inbetween in case yamato flips town.
Would you rather I be confident in my play to a degree far higher than my skill at mafia warrants?

One surefire way to find town players is to look at my scumreads. Here's what I'm thinking, and yamato77 is a scumread of mine. But I see ways that this read could be wrong, so I'm asking and sharing my thoughts. I could keep holding my thoughts to myself, and analyzing him myself, or I could leave it open to the rest of the thread, where everyone is better than me and can analyze this better than I can. It's a matter of honest, not a matter of alignment.

I mean, if you want me to push my reads to the end of time, I can do that. If you want me to throw the game for town, I can do that as well. Up to you.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 24 2015 04:58 GMT
#691
ummm

since when is truffle like super certain about almost any read as town? lol ><

eh, i don't really want to address the truffle stuff. i defended him enough day 1...he can answer to it now. none of these things you bring up about him make anyone mafia, and they especially don't make him mafia, so if y'all lynch him i definitely will not be part of that shit, but he needs to convince you. not me

i just...don't think you're invested in this game at all, damdred. you say art isn't helping town...how are you helping town? you did some half-assed stuff near EoD about giving BH more time but didn't put your money where your mouth was, and just in general it's like you left your give-a-shits somewhere else

now that the other game has ended, i'll say it: i suspect you rolled scum again and you're just not motivated to play after carrying your team alone for about a week
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 24 2015 05:01 GMT
#692
On April 24 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure what else you want me to explain,

Art really isn't helping town

Trfel at this point is being pretty wordy while showing the thread that her suspicions while leaving doubt in there for a backtack for example

Though I'm not very good at meta reads, and I don't have much experience playing with yamato77.


For someone who was sure of this read enough o dig up old games, much doubt is put into it and distance is put inbetween in case yamato flips town.
Would you rather I be confident in my play to a degree far higher than my skill at mafia warrants?

One surefire way to find town players is to look at my scumreads. Here's what I'm thinking, and yamato77 is a scumread of mine. But I see ways that this read could be wrong, so I'm asking and sharing my thoughts. I could keep holding my thoughts to myself, and analyzing him myself, or I could leave it open to the rest of the thread, where everyone is better than me and can analyze this better than I can. It's a matter of honest, not a matter of alignment.

I mean, if you want me to push my reads to the end of time, I can do that. If you want me to throw the game for town, I can do that as well. Up to you.

So are you calling yamato scum?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 24 2015 05:05 GMT
#693
Well if you think that why not vote me rsoultin?
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 24 2015 05:10 GMT
#694
On April 24 2015 14:05 Damdred wrote:
Well if you think that why not vote me rsoultin?


i already said i have things to do and don't want a lynch tomorrow; why would i vote for you? do i need to vote for you now for you to get it through your skull?

you're not the one i'd vote presently if i was placing a vote, anyway lol >< the message is simple: if you're town, pick it the hell up. it's not a tall order
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 24 2015 05:10 GMT
#695
On April 24 2015 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote:
On April 24 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure what else you want me to explain,

Art really isn't helping town

Trfel at this point is being pretty wordy while showing the thread that her suspicions while leaving doubt in there for a backtack for example

Though I'm not very good at meta reads, and I don't have much experience playing with yamato77.


For someone who was sure of this read enough o dig up old games, much doubt is put into it and distance is put inbetween in case yamato flips town.
Would you rather I be confident in my play to a degree far higher than my skill at mafia warrants?

One surefire way to find town players is to look at my scumreads. Here's what I'm thinking, and yamato77 is a scumread of mine. But I see ways that this read could be wrong, so I'm asking and sharing my thoughts. I could keep holding my thoughts to myself, and analyzing him myself, or I could leave it open to the rest of the thread, where everyone is better than me and can analyze this better than I can. It's a matter of honest, not a matter of alignment.

I mean, if you want me to push my reads to the end of time, I can do that. If you want me to throw the game for town, I can do that as well. Up to you.

So are you calling yamato scum?
I think that I have presented a lot of reasons that make him scum. However, I also see several things that I find unlikely for yamato77 to do. So, I'm hoping that people would comment.

Based on what I said, do you think that yamato77 is scum?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 24 2015 05:45 GMT
#696
Your right in not really invested, and idk what exactly I have to do to prove I'm town. I give thoughts be they right or wrong and the only reason you say half of that is because I got you as scum.

rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 24 2015 05:53 GMT
#697
On April 24 2015 14:45 Damdred wrote:
Your right in not really invested, and idk what exactly I have to do to prove I'm town. I give thoughts be they right or wrong and the only reason you say half of that is because I got you as scum.



lol that's cute xP i had you pegged in the game where you "got me" as scum and derped...that hardly suggests that it's pure paranoia

it's not that hard to prove you're town. giving a shit helps. eh, whatever, you know where i stand...that's all the warning i'm going to give, cause i'm not really sure if you're just in a mood or not

i'm probably out from now until after the deadline unless y'all get all antsy and crazy and try to push a lynch tomorrow with this little bit of nothing to go on...i'm not really interested in returning to the thread before reviewing everything

ciao
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 24 2015 06:06 GMT
#698
On April 24 2015 14:10 Trfel wrote:
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On April 24 2015 14:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
On April 24 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote:
On April 24 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure what else you want me to explain,

Art really isn't helping town

Trfel at this point is being pretty wordy while showing the thread that her suspicions while leaving doubt in there for a backtack for example

Though I'm not very good at meta reads, and I don't have much experience playing with yamato77.


For someone who was sure of this read enough o dig up old games, much doubt is put into it and distance is put inbetween in case yamato flips town.
Would you rather I be confident in my play to a degree far higher than my skill at mafia warrants?

One surefire way to find town players is to look at my scumreads. Here's what I'm thinking, and yamato77 is a scumread of mine. But I see ways that this read could be wrong, so I'm asking and sharing my thoughts. I could keep holding my thoughts to myself, and analyzing him myself, or I could leave it open to the rest of the thread, where everyone is better than me and can analyze this better than I can. It's a matter of honest, not a matter of alignment.

I mean, if you want me to push my reads to the end of time, I can do that. If you want me to throw the game for town, I can do that as well. Up to you.

So are you calling yamato scum?
I think that I have presented a lot of reasons that make him scum. However, I also see several things that I find unlikely for yamato77 to do. So, I'm hoping that people would comment.

Based on what I said, do you think that yamato77 is scum?

I have him as null right now. I thought yesterday he looked a lot worse but since he came back I liked his posting. I'm not a huge fan of your case honestly. The first point where you attempt to show he's picking on irrelevant things---consider how many people picked on me at the beginning of the game for my reads. The most relevant section in there imo is where he completely misrepresents Artanis's posting by saying he was ONLY going to focus on the afk people that day so he could afk himself which I pointed out earlier, but you instead simply call it a continuation of the line of questioning when you don't look at what he's actually saying. Then right after that you're willing to give Artanis the benefit of the doubt where yamato called him out for not doing much but you aren't willing to do the same for yamato himself even though yamato is actually in thread and pursuing a line of questioning. After that you call him unfocused but he does seem to be pretty focused on Artanis to me, though I would agree he is not as willing to actually push the lynch as much as one would think.

I dunno, from that first section it just looks like you dove into yamato's filter with an idea already in your ahead 'I think I can make yamato look scummy if i take out these posts and focus on this'---you say you're concerned over bias in your posting but you don't even see what you're doing yourself here. The lack of confidence in your posting suggest that the above may not be true, but I have a horrible track record of reading newbies (which is essentially what you are to me at this point) and I often get fooled when people try to fake things like the lack of confidence expected when playing against people 'better than them' as you've said of yamato.

His behaviour right before and right after the lynch are sort of ok points but the gloating i see as completely the opposite---a towny trait more than anything. Why does scum waltz into the thread hogging attention and making fun of everyone else for being wrong? That's a surefire way to get everyone to scrutinize him (case and point) which is the last thing scum ever wants. I have also been guilty of the gloating multiple times as town (though meta so maybe not good example).

I dunno. It's tough to explain. You bring up some valid points but other more glaring ones that have been previously brought up seem missing. The lack of confidence and wishy-washiness of your whole case just rubs me in completely the wrong way, like you're setting yourself up to join whatever side becomes more popular if yamato should end up the main focus for today. The absolute biggest problem I have with you so far is the same as I had before; you cook up all this effort and it's all completely for naught. What is the POINT of your posting? We're past the point of 'generating discussion' at this point, we need to be finding scum and lynching them especially since we're behind, and meanwhile it's D2 and it's still impossible for you to take a stance? I don't buy it.

Would REALLY love for rsoul to comment on this at some point as well since she seems to be the main one defending you at every step of the way despite her saying she's going to take more of a backseat on that today.
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rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 24 2015 06:23 GMT
#699
meh need to stop checking this thread :/

i really need to look at his case closer which means filter-diving yamato with the context which i'm not sure actually happened lol >< the second point is by far the strongest and if any point is correct, it's that one, but i too was pretty satisfied with yamato's answers earlier and also took a look back through his posting before the lynch...it's not really that bad, actually...my only concern really is apparently disappearing for 40 minutes before the lynch?

On April 23 2015 08:21 yamato77 wrote:
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On April 23 2015 08:17 rsoultin wrote:
how many days do you want to put off lynching, yamato?

he was in the thread last night and being obstructive. did you say you liked his case? what did you like about it?

I said it wasn't that bad

Do you really believe ONLY scum BH makes a case like that? I certainly don't.

I don't even like damdred that much this game. I don't really care for his responses to the case either. He essentially came out with nothing.

How was he being obstructive? He argued about his case, sure, but who wouldn't want to defend their piece of work? It's silly to scumread him for believing his read.

What do we really lose by not lynching right now, exactly? I argued against this sort of idea before but only as a means to actually apply pressure. It doesn't mean anything to lynch BH here because he's really only been in the thread to post his case and defend it.


^ this is actually a fairly strong push not to lynch bh, despite not presenting alternatives (though it reads like he just didn't want to lynch anyone at that time) but yeah...that was the last post from him, 40 mins before deadline...which does bother me some i'll admit. so i do really want to recheck the point on artanis being a "scumread" but not pushed

as far as truffle is concerned...in all honesty i've talked to him a lot since we first started playing mafia. he's unsure of himself; it's true. he even asked me how to play not that long ago >< when i don't think i'm a great player by any stretch and unqualified to give him that sort of advice. you don't like meta. my reasons for townreading him are tone and meta

i'll talk to you about your scumread, point-by-point, and we can approach it that way, but you have to understand that this is a matter of me knowing truffle fairly well. i know how he thinks and approaches things. it is very difficult to put that in a way that people will understand

what i see in truffle is a case-building player who is trying to learn how to interact with the thread and other players but doesn't know how, so he's doing it the best way he can...through a case he's not confident of...because when he tried to interact with us through voting and joking around it wasn't received well xP that is what i see. i could be wrong but i highly doubt it
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 24 2015 06:39 GMT
#700
On April 23 2015 08:29 Palmar wrote:
Breshke is my #1 town


Palmar what made you post this. What made me your number one town.
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