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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 24 2015 09:41 GMT
#701
On April 24 2015 15:39 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2015 08:29 Palmar wrote:
Breshke is my #1 town


Palmar what made you post this. What made me your number one town.

I did not post this.
Computer says mafia
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 24 2015 13:13 GMT
#702
On April 24 2015 18:41 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2015 15:39 Breshke wrote:
On April 23 2015 08:29 Palmar wrote:
Breshke is my #1 town


Palmar what made you post this. What made me your number one town.

I did not post this.

If you had to take a guess why do you think the person who posted it posted it.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 24 2015 13:20 GMT
#703
On April 24 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2015 13:38 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure what else you want me to explain,

Art really isn't helping town

Trfel at this point is being pretty wordy while showing the thread that her suspicions while leaving doubt in there for a backtack for example

Though I'm not very good at meta reads, and I don't have much experience playing with yamato77.


For someone who was sure of this read enough o dig up old games, much doubt is put into it and distance is put inbetween in case yamato flips town.
Would you rather I be confident in my play to a degree far higher than my skill at mafia warrants?

One surefire way to find town players is to look at my scumreads. Here's what I'm thinking, and yamato77 is a scumread of mine. But I see ways that this read could be wrong, so I'm asking and sharing my thoughts. I could keep holding my thoughts to myself, and analyzing him myself, or I could leave it open to the rest of the thread, where everyone is better than me and can analyze this better than I can. It's a matter of honest, not a matter of alignment.

I mean, if you want me to push my reads to the end of time, I can do that. If you want me to throw the game for town, I can do that as well. Up to you.


1) Underplaying yourself is one of the scummy things that I believe exists

2) The main issue is that you come out of the gate really strong on Yamato. Heres why I think hes scum, and you line up all these reasons but then at the very read you dismiss yourself and make it seem like you aren't strong on him at all.

3) How do you know its throwing the game if you push your Yamato read forever? If you think hes scum legitimately you wouldn't think you would be throwing the game, if you are scum you know that it will lose the game for town. Hence why you just said "If you want me to throw the game for town" you said for town because you aren't town.

##Vote Trfel
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 24 2015 13:53 GMT
#704
##vote Damdred

^^ cause I can

yay final out usaf and i have no job to go to woooot so much fun

hasta la vista, chump xP
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
April 24 2015 13:54 GMT
#705
I definitely don't want to lynch Yamato today or probably any day. His mafia game is much worse than what he's shown so far and he cares too much.

Damdred's Trfel case is bad. Doubt is a town trait for Trfel. What I'm more worried about is that he artifically inserted doubt when I pointed out how his read on me was too strong for his normal towngame, and thus became more doubtful in general.

What's stopping me from going full yolo on a Trfel lynch is that he feels very reasonable. He keeps re-evaluating me (even though I don't understand at all how he comes to his conclusions, on me at least) and seems to be very fluid in his reads, which is something that's very difficult as scum.

I think I want to lynch Palmar today. Trfel said he's been trolling, but I feel like Palmar hasn't really trolled as much as not giving a shit. He's pushed Wave mostly without much reasoning and has just not given a lot of shits about anything else. He made this one terrible list post that didn't have any reasons which Marv once told me is a hallmark of his scumgame (and he hasn't posted any reads lists as town since Imperial whilst he has as scum). His 'town meta' of not doing anything is easily replicable as scum. He's been townread for it before, I see no reason why he wouldn't attempt to replicate it as town.

There's no reason to read Palmar as town, his unsubstantiated reads list is scummy and he hasn't truly trolled in a way that causes people to rise up against him. It's been calculated play.
##Vote Palmar
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
April 24 2015 14:02 GMT
#706
psst that was an awesome omg that post sucked vote yeah? -proud of self-

mmm art i kinda had the same thought earlier this morning but uh...meh

anyway try not to lynch anyone -_- the truffle vote is simply wrong, and regardless there's no need to rush

-poofs-
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 24 2015 14:17 GMT
#707
Artanis you're dumb/scum I'll figure out which one later. (hint, if your case doesn't hold any water without meta... it doesn't hold any water).

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 24 2015 14:18 GMT
#708
Like I'm pretty sure I should roll with Breshke and Trfel as town.

I'm torn on the rest of you people.

And WoS is mafia.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 24 2015 14:30 GMT
#709
Oh that was easy. The mafia team is Wave/Yamato.

Yammy hardly even acknowledged my case on WaveOfShadow, never really pushed the idea he might be scum and never cleared it either. here, take a look at all the suspicion yammy threw at wos. I'll bold some hard accusations of things that if we believe yamato believes in, should make him super suspicious of Wave.


On April 21 2015 11:43 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 11:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
When was the last time we played an IML game together?
And anyway what the fuck does that even matter?
I am not reading you based on meta here, don't try and force it on me, especially when it's one of the most easily falsifiable things possible. And I should know.

"I don't use meta" is a nice and convenient excuse to avoid giving a legitimate read on me at this stage in the game.

Still, the fact remains, you said I could do this as mafia, what basis do you have to make that statement, exactly?


On April 21 2015 11:45 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 11:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
On April 21 2015 11:30 yamato77 wrote:
When have I done something like this as mafia, Wave?

Like....why did you even feel the need to bring this up?

Because it's a statement with no basis.

"I could see Yamato doing this as either alignment" is tantamount to saying "I could see Yamato doing this as mafia."

Why do you think that's the case, precisely, if you aren't using meta? Why mention me by name at all if you're just going to make some sort of puffball generalized statement?

Very strange, Wave.


Then Yamato made this post here:

On April 22 2015 06:13 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2015 06:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:37 rsoultin wrote:
On April 22 2015 05:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah jsut fucking do it already.
Every single game. Literally EVERY game I start i contribute in every possible way I can and people call me scum for it. It's so goddamn silly.

Like...fucking meta but show me one game where i don't complain.
ANY GAME.


when i call you scum, wave, you'll know it -flicks- talk to me about the truffle post. you're the one who wanted to talk about things

There's nothing else to say about it, it's one single post and I've already commented.

It just passes me the fuck off that I'm attempting to create content at every juncture, providing reads/analysis and because of that I get singled out as scummy by almost everyone in the game, and this shit happens every game for me.

I should just start lurking and doing nothing. It's a lesson I should have learned 2 years ago playing on this site.

well, right now you're bitching when there are only 2 votes on you

granted, you've been under pressure the whole game so far, but so what? If you're town you can deal with it and produce convincing reads.

If you're mafia we just lynch you.


Which seems to indicate he's still interested in lynching Wave, but what happens after that?

Nothing.

Look at this picture of yamato's filter where I'm looking for the word "wave"

[image loading]


After all this suspicion he has NOTHING to follow up on it and idly parks his vote basically on artanis for what was a bullshit reason.

Yamato is mafia. It's highly likely as per my case yesterday that WoS is too.

I will support a lynch today on either of them and no one else.

See you later it's weekend and I'm turning 30


Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 24 2015 15:10 GMT
#710
yeah that image doesn't seem to be working, but go do it yourself to get the idea

##vote yamato

The whole point is his words don't fit his actions. I feel his accusation against artanis (the excuse to not do anything thing) was much, much weaker than his accusations against wave, yet that's where his vote ended up.
Computer says mafia
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 24 2015 15:14 GMT
#711
Soo are you legit pushing me rsoul
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 24 2015 15:18 GMT
#712
Hapy bday palmar.

I have a reason to tr Everton outside of trfel, art palmar I think.

So yea
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 24 2015 15:19 GMT
#713
Why do you townread my two scumreads?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 24 2015 15:19 GMT
#714
Am I bad now?
Computer says mafia
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 24 2015 16:42 GMT
#715
I'll reread there interactions but I don't think it looks mafiaxmafia.
I thought Yamato looked good early decent activity ok content, waves picked up later
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 24 2015 16:43 GMT
#716
On April 25 2015 01:42 Damdred wrote:
I'll reread there interactions but I don't think it looks mafiaxmafia.
I thought Yamato looked good early decent activity ok content, waves picked up later

Half of what Yamato did early was argue with wos only to never follow it up
Computer says mafia
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 24 2015 16:48 GMT
#717
On April 25 2015 01:43 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2015 01:42 Damdred wrote:
I'll reread there interactions but I don't think it looks mafiaxmafia.
I thought Yamato looked good early decent activity ok content, waves picked up later

Half of what Yamato did early was argue with wos only to never follow it up
But he didn't really follow up with his other pushes either.

That or he just likes to feign complete confidence in his reads without actually being that confident in them.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
April 24 2015 16:49 GMT
#718
On April 25 2015 01:42 Damdred wrote:
I'll reread there interactions but I don't think it looks mafiaxmafia.
I thought Yamato looked good early decent activity ok content, waves picked up later

What is this? Why are you instantly trying to look at them as a scumteam instead of looking at if they're scum individually? What's this unflipped association thing?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
April 24 2015 16:52 GMT
#719
Also, Palmar, are you just going to stop evaluating other people because you think you've found the two scum? Are you that certain in your reads?
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
April 24 2015 16:53 GMT
#720
I'm not sure if Palmar has started playing the game seriously yet or not? Can someone please enlighten me?
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