Noir Mini Mafia: Chapter 3 - Page 34

On April 24 2015 09:22 Palmar wrote:


20% chance to hit a detective role mafia doesn't know is in the game is so shitty that they'd never take it. If mafia shoots it's to shoot a townie they want to get rid of, or medic dodging. But that also potentially gives town information.

It's just easily the best play to hold the shot and leave town in the dark. The first indication of what mafia wants to do will be given in lylo (or mylo)

Anyway, I'm going to sleep. I have an idea or two on what I want to do today but I want to read more first. I was lazy during the night and didn't really read much at all.

On April 24 2015 09:29 rsoultin wrote:
mmmm

okay yeah i do remember that, truffle lol

if we can agree to take our time on this and not lynch in the first 24 hours, i'm a little busy right now...my last day in the military is monday and i have some things to wrap up tomorrow as well as schoolwork to get done due at about the same time as deadline -_- then i'll take another good look at the game

can we agree to take our time on this?

On April 24 2015 09:32 WaveofShadow wrote:

I am completely fine with this, even though I tend to get antsy after the first 24.
I should let everyone know btw that as of Monday my activity falls off extremely sharply, so assuming the game isn't done by then, yeah.

On April 24 2015 09:39 Palmar wrote:

We'll lynch you for lurking

On April 24 2015 09:48 yamato77 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/410972-les-mafia?user=Blazinghand&page=16

had 16 pages of filter as town before he was mislynched

yes, blazinghand is capable of astounding uselessness, but he's also capable of that

he literally promised activity, and showed effort in the large case, no reason to rush lynching him

as mafia, it would have been incredibly easy to just say nothing and have his lynch go through, but whatever

gj on the mislynch, folks

On April 24 2015 09:55 rsoultin wrote:


okay so how does this line up with jumping down artanis' throat for wanting to wait for bh/palmar to pick up?

lol as mafia it's just as easy when town is set to mislynch a player to say oh no guys we shouldn't lynch him as well, so take that bs somewhere else

On April 24 2015 09:57 yamato77 wrote:

that was before BH had even played

dunno how the two are even comparable tbh

On April 24 2015 10:01 rsoultin wrote:


okay...so just explain your thought process? if you know he's capable of try-harding with time why is it bad to give him time in the first place? like, even if it's possible for him to be lazy as fuck i don't understand your reaction to artanis wanting to delay the vote so bh and palmar had a chance to do things if you knew bh can do that when he plays

On April 24 2015 10:10 yamato77 wrote:

In the first instance, it's not about BH specifically, it's about the game itself. You must be active with the lynch and try to put pressure on people or it's basically a useless mechanic (IML, that is). Maybe you newbies don't really understand this but I've played a fair amount of IML as both town and mafia so there's that.

The point was, why should we specifically wait for BH and Palmar to play if it's possible that they won't play, even as town? It's both a waste of time and suboptimal play. Artanis was using it as a reason to essentially do nothing.

The BH mislynch was avoidable, because by that time it was fairly obvious that BH actually was invested in the game at least enough to make that huge damdred case. Say what you want about the quality or accuracy of his read, sure, but it was a lot of effort nonetheless. He even went on to defend it against most people in the thread and was visibly offended by people's disregard for his effort.

Essentially, why was it necessary to push the lynch through at that moment in time? Everyone was overly hasty when BH had made it abundantly clear he wouldn't be around to provide more content. Was there some sort of downside to allowing him more time to play? If he's scum and just making excuses as YOUR NARRATIVES SUGGESTED (like how I use that word? yeah it's pretty stupid) he'd just continue to make excuses and not really prove himself town.

HOWEVER, I had reason to believe that an invested BH could prove himself town and even suggested such before the deadline, but no one really seemed interested in discussing my meta read of BH so whatever. You call me scum for it now? I laugh in your face.

On April 24 2015 10:17 rsoultin wrote:


lol considering you've seen the way i treat scumreads, the level of defensiveness here is quite unnecessary, yamato xP

mmm i don't know, like i can see what you're saying i guess but my problem with it is there just was no reason to be that nuts about it. if artanis used it as an excuse to do nothing, that didn't mean the rest of us had to, and iml really is not significantly different from any other lynch mechanic when the majority only matters one time every 24 hours -_- like you keep saying we can use it differently than in other games, when the only major difference i actually see is that more town players have to be on a mislynch for it to go through

since it's still up against a deadline it's no different than any other pressure voting, except we have some control over the pace of the game

On April 24 2015 10:24 rsoultin wrote:
strategy talk aside i'm actually fine with how you handled the bh lynch, though...looks pretty natural at a second look

mmmmrrrrt i was supposed to be doing schoolwork >< you distractions xP

On April 24 2015 10:28 yamato77 wrote:

In a regular game, you get 1 lynch every 48 hours. That's it. In terms of pressure voting, you really only get to do that to MAYBE 2 people per day, and that's it.

In an IML game, even this style, you still only get 1 lynch every day, but that day can be both ridiculously short OR incredibly long. By balancing the two well, you are able to pressure vote as many people as you feel necessary before you decide on a real lynch, allowing you to force inactive players to play, cause mafia to make mistakes, and force opinions on multiple targets throughout the day.

Of course, this requires an organized effort by town. You can't have some people just sitting back and coasting along or your plan really falls to pieces. You also can't have blase lynches where town is apathetic. In that way, both Artanis' proposed play (and even his actual play, given his action around the lynch) AND the BH mislynch were suboptimal.

Understandable? My pressure on Artanis was intentional, if a little over-done. You have the power to threaten people with the lynch at basically any time. 24 hours is not a lot of time. I felt like it was being wasted. Unfortunately, I didn't put in enough work to find a viable alternative to the BH mislynch in time, so I'm partially to blame for what happened, but it's just absurd to suggest that I'm mafia for a misinterpreted look into my stance on BH's play and the lynch mechanics overall.